Historic District Commission
Regular MeetingManistee, MI · January 4, 2023
Minutes
HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMITTEE
70 Maple Street
Manistee, MI 49660
MEETING MINUTES
January 4, 2023
A meeting of the 2023 Historic District Committee was held on Wednesday, January 4, 2023 at
4:00 pm, Manistee, Michigan.
The meeting was called to order at 4:00 by Chair Trucks.
Members Present: Thad Taylor, Ron Helmboldt, Kathryn Kenny, Angie Quinn, William
Connor, and Lee Trucks
Members Absent: Dennis Otto
Others: Katie Mehl (City Zoning/Planner 1) and Nancy Baker (Recording
Secretary)
Election of Officers
Chair Trucks opened the Election of Officers and turned the meeting over to Ms. Mehl for the
election of Chair 2023.
Chair:
Commissioner Helmboldt nominated Commissioner Trucks for Chair. Commissioner Trucks
accepted the nomination.
MOTION by Commissioner Taylor, seconded by Commissioner Kenny to elect Commissioner
Trucks as HDC Chair 2023.
With a roll call vote:
Yes: Connor, Helmboldt, Kenny, Quinn, Taylor, Trucks
No: none
Commissioner Trucks is HDC Chair for 2023.
Ms. Mehl turned the meeting over to Chair Trucks to continue the 2023 Election of Officers.
Vice Chair:
Commissioner Taylor nominated Commissioner Connor for Vice Chair. Commissioner Connor
accepted the nomination.
MOTION by Commissioner Taylor, seconded by Commissioner Helmboldt to elect Commissioner
Connor as HDC Vice Chair 2023.
With a roll call vote:
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Yes: Connor, Helmboldt, Kenny, Quinn, Taylor, Trucks
No: none
Commissioner Connor is HDC Vice Chair for 2023.
Recording Secretary:
Commissioner Kenny nominated Ms. Baker for recording secretary.
Commissioner Taylor moved, seconded by Commissioner Quinn to appoint Ms. Baker as
recording secretary.
With a roll call vote:
Yes: Connor, Kenny, Quinn, Taylor, Trucks
No: Helmboldt
Ms. Baker is HDC Recording Secretary for 2023.
APPROVAL OF AGENDA
MOTION by Commissioner Taylor, seconded by Commissioner Quinn to approve the agenda as
printed.
With a voice vote motion passed 6 to 0.
CONFLICT OF INTEREST
None
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
MOTION by Commissioner Quinn, seconded by Commissioner Taylor to approve the December
7, 2022 minutes as presented.
With a voice vote motion passed 6 to 0.
PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA RELATED ITEMS
None
NEW BUSINESS
None
OLD BUSINESS
Amendment to Zoning Ordinance – Signs
Ms. Mehl: the following items were discussed
• Memo with signage guidelines for HDC review
• Guidelines not within the zoning ordinance (z.o.); makes guidelines hard to enforce
• Lighted “OPEN” signs, exempted signs
• Zoning ordinance, Article 21 Signs; HDC has authority to wave certain requirements
• Guidelines hard to enforce, can be placed in z.o. to be implied and enforceable
• Off premise business advertisement signs, window paintings without approval
• Signs bigger than allowed- must go through HDC
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• Signs: “OPEN” flashing, size, exempting
• Incorporating regulations into z.o.
• Further review of guidelines and needed changes
• Sidewalk drawings under city police as these are public rights-of-way
Chair Trucks suggested a window inventory be taken for HDC review. Asked for HDC volunteers.
Commissioner Kenny will make comparison discrepancies between the guidelines and z.o.
Commissioner Quinn will take pictures of business window signs.
Permit Review
Ms. Mehl: Mr. Fedder, Museum Curator, approved the library downtown story stroll-- she
issued the permit. Mr. Fedder can approve COAs, and Ms. Mehl issues the permits. Joe
Mathewson has made no changes, file has been turned over to city attorney, HDC seeking court
action, process is in motion. Gordon/Rozmarek project possibly settled in court, will follow up
with city attorney on update.
COMMENTS AND COMMUNICATIONS CONCERNING ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA
None
CORRESPONDENCE
None
REPORTS
DA Executive & Economic Development Director
Not in attendance.
Museum Curator/Director
Not in attendance.
Planning & Zoning Administrator
Ms. Mehl: attended downtown business connection meeting, a new zoom link was sent due to
issues with the first link, invitation for HDC to attend the next downtown business meeting
which will be in person at the WSCC building.
Commissioner Quinn left the meeting at 4:45 pm.
MEMBERS DISCUSSION
Chair Trucks: carbon offsets, rehabilitate existing buildings rather than tear them down and
rebuild new in its place.
Commissioner Kenny: HDC brochure on city website needs updating. Ms. Mehl will inquire on
using some budget money to update the HDC brochure.
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ADJOURNMENT
MOTION by Commissioner Taylor, seconded by Commissioner Kenny to adjourn the meeting.
The meeting was adjourned at 4:55 pm.
2023 Historic Study Review Committee
_______________________________
Nancy Baker, Recording Secretary
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Agenda
MANISTEE CITY HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION
Meeting of Wednesday, January 4th, at 4:00 PM
This meeting will be held in the City Council Chambers.
AGENDA
I Call to Order
II Roll Call
III Election of Officers
IV Approval of Agenda
At this time, the Historic District Commission can take action to approve the January 4, 2023 Agenda.
V Conflicts of Interest
At this time, the Chair will ask if there are any members with a conflict of interest on the approved Agenda.
VI Approval of Minutes
At this time Historic District Commission can take action to approve the December 7, 2022 Meeting
Minutes.
VII Public Comment on Agenda Related items
At this time, the Chair will ask if there are any public comments.
VIII New Business
IX Old Business
• Amendment to Zoning Ordinance – Signs
• Permit Review
X Public Comments and Communications concerning items not on the agenda.
At this time, the Chair will ask if there are any public comments.
XI Correspondence
XII Reports
DDA Executive & Economic Development Director
Museum Curator
Planning & Zoning Administrator
XIII Members Discussion
At this time, the Chair will ask members of the Historic District Commission if they have any items they
want to discuss.
XIV Adjournment
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HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION
70 Maple Street
Manistee, MI 49660
MEETING MINUTES
December 7, 2022
A meeting of the Historic District Commission was held on Wednesday, December 7, 2022, at 4:00
pm, Manistee, Michigan.
The meeting was called to order at 4:00 pm by Chair Trucks.
Members Present: William Connor, Thad Taylor, Ron Helmboldt, Lee Trucks, Kathryn Kenny,
Dennis Otto, Angie Quinn
Members Absent: none
Others: Katie Mehl (City Zoning /Planner 1) and Nancy Baker (Recording Secretary)
APPROVAL OF AGENDA
MOTION by Commissioner Taylor, seconded by Commissioner Quinn to approve the agenda as
printed. Motion passed with a voice vote.
CONFLICT OF INTEREST
None.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
MOTION by Commissioner Quinn, seconded by Commissioner Taylor to approve the October 5, 2022,
minutes as printed. Motion passed with a voice vote.
PUBLIC COMMENT ON AGENDA RELATED ITEMS
None
NEW BUSINESS
2023 HDC Meeting Schedule
MOTION by Commissioner Taylor, seconded by Commissioner Kenny to approve the 2023 HDC
Meeting Schedule as presented. Motion passed with a voice vote.
Amendment to Zoning Ordinance-Signs
Discussion:
Complaints of window sign displays within the Historic District
Signs of operation, product advertisement
Section 2103 Exempt Signs
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Size of signs, space in window(s)
Placing sign guidelines in Zoning Ordinance
Sign enforcement
No “grandfathering” of signs
HDC read/review sign guidelines
Revisit at next meeting
OLD BUSINESS
435 River Street—Joseph Mathewson
Ms. Mehl:
No action has occurred on windows
Letter sent to Mr. Mathewson
City attorney to be contacted 1/2/23 if Mr. Mathewson takes no action on the windows
Permit Review
Ms. Mehl reviewed the permit list.
Permit actions: Manistee Inn and Marina added to list, will include 349 with 347 River, all listed
permits still active. Discussion: communication with business owners on their façade
accomplishments, informational brochures on-grant opportunities-needed permits-other historic
district information, city locations to obtain the brochures.
PUBLIC COMMENTS AND COMMUNICATIONS CONCERNING ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA
None
CORRESPONDENCE
None
REPORTS
DDA Executive & Economic Development
None
Museum Curator
None
Planning & Zoning Administrator
Ms. Mehl: Gordon/Rozmarek October 4th hearing –3 separate cases-2 dismissed due to completed work, blight
citation denied by court.
MEMBERS DISCUSSION
None
ADJOURNMENT
MOTION by Commissioner Taylor, seconded by Commissioner Kenny to adjourn the meeting.
Meeting was adjourned at 4:56 pm.
Nancy Baker
Nancy Baker, Recording Secretary
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Historic District Commission
Katie Mehl
December 19, 2022 Manistee County Planner
395 3rd St.
Manistee, MI 49660
Historic District Commission 231.723.6041
planning@manisteecountymi.gov
70 Maple Street
www.manisteemi.gov
Manistee, MI 49660
Dear Commission Members,
I have received several complaints regarding illegal signs posted in the Historic District, specifically
within window displays. The Zoning Ordinance dictates that any sign which is not an exempt sign must
receive Historic District Commission approval, even when located inside the building but displayed in the
window. To address this, it was requested by the City that a letter was sent to all property owners in the
Historic District, reminding them of the current regulations. The memo sent is included in the following
pages of your agenda packet.
Staff recognizes that there are instances where a business may need to put up a temporary sign,
display hours of operation, or advertise a product. To limit the number and size of this type of signage,
staff recommends amending the Zoning Ordinance to include an additional section under “Exempt Signs”.
This could be addressed by exempting window sings up to a certain area, for example, a cumulative area
of 24”X24”. Please see below for the section of the Zoning Ordinance which dictates exempt signs, with
the subsections relevant to this discussion highlighted:
SECTION 2103 EXEMPT SIGNS
The following signs shall be exempt from regulations in this Article.
A. Any public notice, traffic control or warning required by a valid and applicable federal, state, or
local law, regulation, or ordinance.
B. Any sign wholly located within a building including window signs. Except signs in the Historic
District that require Historic District Commission approval
C. Flags up to twenty-four (24) square feet in area. City of Manistee Zoning Ordinance
D. Signs posted by a governmental agency or on their behalf by an authorized contractor.
E. Portable signs shall be permitted in the R-2, R-3 for properties with a minimum of 10,000 sq. ft.
of area that front on a Key Street Segment, G-C, W-F, and C-1 districts subject to a determination
by the Zoning Administrator that its placement will not impact safety or visibility for motorists and
pedestrians and further limited as follows: 1. 8 square feet per side; 2. One per storefront; and 3.
Permitted only during hours of operation of business.
F. Temporary Signs on the property during construction, maintenance or improvements and relating
to construction, maintenance or improvements on the property during the period of time of work.
Staff is requesting a motion from the HDC, to recommend the City Planning Commission pursues
an amendment to the Zoning Ordinance that provides an exemption for window signs, up to a specified
area. Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have any questions or concerns.
Sincerely,
Katie Mehl
City of Manistee Zoning Administrator
Manistee County Planner
Historic District Commission
Planning & Zoning Department
70 Maple Street
Manistee, MI 49660
231.398.2805
www.manisteemi.gov
Guideline #2 - Signage
These Guidelines have been developed by the Historic District Commission to assist applicants. Each request will be
reviewed individually by the Commission based on its own merit. Exceptions to these guidelines may be made by the
Commission on a case by case basis. The examples used in the guidelines reflect buildings in the district which are
Victorian, but alterations to a building should reflect the era in which the building was constructed. Signage within the
Historic District can be approved by the Museum Director or Curator, who reserves the right to submit requests to the
Commission at their discretion.
The Historic District Commission uses the Secretary of the Interior’s Standards for Rehabilitation as interpreted by the
Preservation Briefs. Copies are available at the Manistee County Historical Museum and the Planning & Zoning Department
at City Hall.
Signs give a wealth of information about a particular time and place. Because historic signs often lack
uniformity, they create a sense of vigor, spirit, and diversity. However, sign regulations are important
within historic districts. Sign types need to integrate well with the historic character of the building and
district. Here are some questions to ask when thinking about signs:
If the business is changing hands, how can historic signs be reused or replicated? The scale of the
structure will dictate the size of the sign. The placement of the sign should not cover important
architectural features or elements.
How can corporate logos and signs be adapted to blend with the historic character of the structure
or neighborhood? In an age of uniform franchise and generic plastic signs, matching or blending
them with the historic character of the building is nearly impossible. Modification of color, content,
design, and size is needed. An appropriate sign would be made of wood, preferably engraved or
embossed, with creative decorative elements (i.e., gold leaf, carvings, etc.). Two choices to secure
signs to the wall include mounting the sign perpendicularly with brackets, or mounting it flat to the
wall or fascia.
Signs should be compatible with the design qualities of the building’s facade and with the
surrounding historic context. They need to be compatible with the scale and design of the building.
SIGNS AND REGULATIONS
Signs are important for every community because they give necessary information to a passerby. They
may reflect the identity and character of the area. Over time, signage types will change in accordance
with architecture and technology changes. Since they can leave a lasting impression on visitors, the
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Historic District Commission can regulate various aspects of the sign (i.e. height, size, color, type,
number, location, etc).
Sign Types:
Hanging or Suspended Signs. These are signs that are either hung or suspended from a ceiling or
other structure.
Wall Signs. These are signs mounted flush against the building or painted directly on the building.
Projecting Signs. These are signs that protrude from the building’s surface. They include
perpendicular signs that hang out over the sidewalk, marquee signs, and other variations.
Ground Signs. These are signs that are not attached to a building. Ground signs shall be open base
mount (posts). Solid skirt panels are discouraged.
Window Signs. These are signs either painted or hung on windows visible to the public from the
exterior. Should be appropriate, visually pleasing and reflect the time period of the building’s
architecture.
Upper Story Window Signs. These are signs either painted or hung on windows visible to the public
from the exterior. No more than twenty percent (20%) of glass maximum. Gilt print is
recommended. No internally lit or neon signs are permitted.
The signs listed above are not exclusive. Generally, a sign is considered something that promotes,
identifies, informs, or advertises. A variety of signs may include logos and symbols. Variations in signage
include posters, print on awnings, art on blank walls, display of flags, and A-frame signs on sidewalks.
The sign’s form, function, placement, color, material, and lighting method are all important
considerations.
While sign regulation and control is to maintain public health and safety, it is also used for aesthetics.
Signs in the historic district are reviewed to maintain the area’s character. Signs cannot be installed to
conceal, destroy, or violate any architectural features of a building.
Signs that are installed on an interim basis, such as realtor and construction signs not exceeding sixteen
square feet in sign face, are allowed for the duration of the project. However, these signs should not
cause a visual nuisance.
Prohibited signs include, in addition to those identified in the zoning ordinance, anything that obstructs
historic or architectural features; misleads, interferes, or confuses the viewers; and destroys or impairs
the historic integrity of the resource or district.
General Sign Criteria:
1. Only on-premise business identification signs are permitted in the city.
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2. All signs shall comply with the regulations for erection and construction of structures as contained
within the City's Building Code.
3. Signs must use appropriate materials and be compatible with the historic character of the building.
For example Bright chromium effect, glossy or leatherette finished vinyl is not acceptable on a
Victorian era façade. Natural materials such as wood are appropriate on a Victorian Building.
4. Colors shall be appropriate for the era and the building. Fluorescent colors are prohibited.
5. The texture of sign must be compatible with that of the building facade. Sand blasted signs are not
allowed.
6. With the exception of “Lighted Open Signs” (see standards below), internally illuminated signs are
not permitted. Flashing, intermittent, rotating signs or signs that create the illusion of movement
are prohibited.
7. Shape and form of signs shall be proportioned in mass and scale to the building where they are
installed.
8. Logos (Corporate Logos) shall be integrated with designs compatible with the Historic District.
9. Plastic appearing materials are not allowed.
10. Halo Lit signs are permitted in the Historic District if they are simply stated (no Bright chromium
effect or plastic appearing materials) with minimal illumination. The Commission reserves the right
to reduce the illumination in the event that it is over-stated.
The Historic District Commission reserves the right to address businesses that are not in compliance
with the guidelines of the district or for failure to apply for a permit.
Existing non-complying signage will be brought into compliance upon receipt of any application to the
Historic District Commission.
The following table provides the sign requirements for signage in the Historic District that does not
require review from the Commission.
Sign Type Standards
Portable Signs or Eight (8) square feet, per sign face, maximum
A-frame Signs Professionally fabricated signs are encouraged
Not to exceed four and a half (4 ½) feet from ground level
Placement on sidewalk where sign does not interfere with the pedestrian
path.
Informational Flags Limited to one (1) flag per storefront
Informational flags are allowed
Flags must be of a size and shape and mounted in a manner so that they do
not interfere with the pedestrian path
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Sign Type Standards
Lighted “Open” Signs Limited to one (1) sign per storefront
Limited to 1.5 square feet.
Limited to “Open”
Logos and other design elements such as geometric embellishments are not
allowed.
No more than two (2) colors are permitted.
First Floor only
Flashing, movements are not permitted.
Signs exempted from HDC review include commemorative plaques (max. 1 sq. ft.) or signs required
by federal, state, or local ordinance for purposes of traffic, public safety, and directional assistance.
Signs prohibited at all times include signs that create the illusion of movement or make noise, signs
attached to any natural growth, and signs that are abandoned and do not relate to existing business.
Historical Background relating to signage
The signs in the downtown should work with the architecture to create a positive image for individual
businesses and for the downtown as a whole. Four general concepts should guide the design of all
signs.
Each sign should be carefully planned to fit its facade. It should not be so large that it
overwhelms the facade. Instead, it should be designed so that it looks like a part of the total
facade rather than tacked on. It should not cover important details, but should complement
them.
Each sign should be coordinated with any other signs on the facade. The signs should look like
they belong together. Each facade (storefront) should have no more than two or three signs.
The signs on neighboring buildings should be coordinated. They do not need to be similar, but
they should not clash in color, size or design. There should be a harmony between them.
Most important, each sigh should have a high level of quality of design, materials, and
workmanship. A simple well-made sign is far more appropriate than an extravagant sign which
is sloppy in appearance. Quality sign makers should be able to do attractive signs using
appropriate materials and colors.
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This drawing shows a catalogue of the typical signage types that are appropriate for Historic
Facades. Signage proposals should be limited to two, or at most, three signage types.
Painted signs on upper floor windows
Small flat signs hanging perpendicular to the facade
wall (Projecting Sign)
Long, horizontal flat signs under the storefront
cornice (sign panel)
Small flat hanging signs in the entry recess
Canvas awning with sign on its front flap
Window Display
Painted sign on windows and/or door
Movable signboards or placards for special
announcements (portable or A-Frame Signs)
Signage Suggestions
Signs should be
planned to fit into
the facade rather than be applied to it. They should look like a
balanced part of the facade.
If more than one sign is desired, each sigh should be relatively
small and visually related to the others.
A lowered ceiling inside a store often creates an enlarged
transom area which can be used as a sign panel. The sign should
be carefully designed to fit the available area without becoming
overwhelmingly large. Window display should be used as a
typical part of storefront signage.
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Signage Problems
Signs which are too large overwhelm a facade. They
destroy the balance between the various parts of the
traditional facade.
Flashy or electrical signs are not appropriate on the
traditional facade and are prohibited in the Historic
District.
Signs should not cover up important parts of the
facade.
Too many signs on a facade create a cluttered,
confusing appearance.
Signs advertising product brands first and the
business second should be avoided in favor of signs
advertising only the business name and/or the service
rendered.
Signs should not reduce the window display area.
Haphazardly-placed signs make the storefront look
cluttered and sloppy.
Even temporary signs should be carefully placed.
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Katie Mehl
Planning/Zoning Administrator
395 Third St.
Manistee, MI 49660
231.398.3587
kmehl@manisteecountymi.gov
Historic District Commission Permits as of 12/19/2022 www.manisteemi.gov
Date Approved Permit # Date Expires Address Name Details Status
8/05/2021 PHDC21-010 8/05/2022 411 River St Jeff Gordon Cornice, Windows, Doors, Columns In Progress
8/05/2021 PHDC21-011 8/05/2022 347/349 River St Paula Rozmarek Cornice & Windows In Progress
5/10/2022 PHDC22-006 5/10/2023 369 River St Brandon Ball Painting Building In Progress
5/12/2022 PHDC22-007 5/12/2023 95 Maple St Library Maintenance & Repair In Progress
7/08/2022 PHD22-010 7/08/2023 321 River St Paulette Junker Doors/Windows Front & Rear In Progress
7/12/2022 PHDC22-011 7/12/2023 432 River St BPO Elks No 250 Digital Sign In Progress
10/20/2022 PHDC22-013 10/21/2023 345 River St Manistee Inn & Marina Painting Building In Progress
8/3/2022 PHDC22-014 4/03/2024 100 Washington St CDI Construction Design Façade In Progress
1/05/2022 PHDC22-015 1/05/2024 141 Washington St 141 Washington St Façade In Progress
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