Zoning Board of Appeals
Regular MeetingManistee, MI · October 3, 2011
Minutes
MANISTEE CITY ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS
City Hall, 70 Maple Street
Manistee, MI 49660
MEETING MINUTES
OCTOBER 3, 2011
A meeting of the Manistee City Zoning Board of Appeals was held on October 3, 2011 at 5:30 p.m. in
the Council Chambers, City Hall, 70 Maple Street, Manistee, Michigan.
MEMBERS PRESENT: Ray Fortier, Mark Hoffman, John Perschbacher, Craig Schindlbeck
MEMBER ABSENT: Bill Kracht,
ALTERNATES PRESENT: Stanton Haner, Mark Wittlief
OTHERS: Kay E. Wagner (523 Second Street), Jackie Kiszelik (535 Second Street),
Roger Zielinski (529 First Street), Jon Rose (Community Development
Director), Denise Blakeslee (Planning & Zoning)
The meeting was called to order at 5:32 p.m. by Chairman Perschbacher
APPROVAL OF AGENDA:
MOTION by Ray Fortier, seconded by Mark Wittlief to approve the October 3, 2011 meeting Agenda.
With a voice vote this MOTION PASSED
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
MOTION by Ray Fortier, seconded by Mark Hoffman to approve the August 2, 2011 Zoning Board of
Appeals Meeting Minutes.
With a voice vote this MOTION PASSED
Community Development Director Jon Rose clarified for the members that while Ms. Wagner’s
narrative for the request included items that will need to be addressed by City Council the only items
for consideration by the Zoning Board of Appeals is the three variance requests.
Welcome new Alternate Member Stanton Haner.
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PUBLIC HEARING:
Applicant Info
ZBA-2011-03 Kay E. Wagner, 523 Second Street – Variances to Section 511 Driveways and Curb Cuts
Kay E. Wagner, 523 Second Street is requesting Variances to Section 511 Driveways and Curb Cuts as
follows:
Variance to increase driveway approach from 20 feet to 23 feet 10 inches
Variance to reduce requirement that driveway curb cuts be placed at least 30 feet from an
intersection to 26 feet 3 inches
Variance to reduce requirement that driveway shall be located at least 3 feet from a side yard
property line to 0.
Chair Perschbacher opened the Public Hearing.
Kay E. Wagner, 523 Second Street – Ms. Wagner spoke to the members of the ZBA of the previous
variances received that allowed her to convert the home on the corner of Cedar and Second Street
into a garage that is now part of her property. She says she needs the variance to provide better
access to the garage. She reviewed the proposals and requested variances with the Board. The
driveway is currently about ten feet on inch from the crosswalk and she is proposing for it to be about
6 feet from the crosswalk. She did not anticipate any problems.
Jon Rose, Community Development Director – Mr. Rose discussed with members the proposed
request. The language for the request to increase the width of the driveway is correct.
He had spoke to Ms. Wagner about the need for a variance and he told her that the driveway had to
be 30 feet from the curb line of the intersection and that is how the 26 feet 3 inches was determined.
After the request has been noticed it was discovered that the measurement should have been from
the edge of the right-of-way or property line. Since that time he determined that the correct
measurement should be five feet. The Zoning Board of Appeals should use this measurement for the
request.
Ms. Wagner’s third request was for a variance to reduce requirement that driveway shall be located at
least 3 feet from a side yard property line to 0. The side of her property for this request fronts on
Cedar Street. While the City has discontinued the use of the hill for vehicular use the hill has not been
vacated. He considers this to be a front yard and if the Zoning Board of Appeals agrees with his
determination there is not a need for a variance.
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Kay Wagner – Ms. Wagner noted for the board that the intersection is a “T Junction” and there are
other locations in the city where driveways are located similar to what she proposes.
Jackie Kiszelik, 535 Second Street – Ms. Kiszelik expressed her concern about the proposal. Ms.
Wagner knew the home that she converted into a garage was on the property line. She noted that the
neighborhood did not want Cedar Street Hill vacated and this is an example of Ms. Wagner attempting
to do it in a different way. She is very concerned with the request that Ms. Wagner is making to City
Council and objects to the fencing, cement, etc. Ms. Wagner has a history of taking bits and pieces of
the hill and this is another way for her to try to acquire additional property.
Roger Zielinski, 529 First Street - Mr. Zielinski had the width of his driveway reduced as part of the
Cedar Street project. Adding three feet doesn’t seem to make a big difference, he wanted his bigger
and they reduced his. The neighbor lost almost 15 feet. The Board will be setting a precedence if they
grant the variance. They need to use the rules that have been established. If they grant her a variance
they need to start doing it for everyone. When he went by her property she had two cars parked in
the driveway. It is harder to get his motor home in the yard and he wanted the same width driveway
that he had before, but he has to live with it.
Correspondence - None
There being no further discussion the Public Hearing Closed at 6:04 p.m.
BUSINESS SESSION:
Action on Pending Case:
ZBA-2011-03 Kay E. Wagner, 523 Second Street – Variances to Section 511 Driveways and Curb Cuts
A public hearing was held earlier in response to the request from Kay E. Wagner, 523 Second Street is
requesting Variances to Section 511 Driveways and Curb Cuts. The Zoning Board of Appeals will
discuss each request separately.
The Zoning Board of Appeals reviewed the request and the requirements of Section 2507.C of the
City of Manistee Zoning Ordinance. This portion of the Ordinance is used as the finding of facts by
the Zoning Board of Appeals and their responses to the conditions are as follows:
The Board shall have the power to authorize, upon an appeal, specific variances from such
requirements as lot area and width regulations, building height regulations, yard and depth
regulations, and off-street parking and loading space requirements provided it finds that all of the
Basic Conditions and any one (1) of the Specific Conditions set forth herein can be satisfied. The
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appellant shall submit, along with the established fee and other materials, a narrative demonstrating
why a variance is sought.
Variance to reduce requirement that driveway shall be located at least 3 feet from a side yard
property line to 0.
Discussion by the Zoning Board of Appeals determined that Mr. Rose’s interpretation of the
ordinance was correct and that a variance was not required.
MOTION by Ray Fortier, seconded by Mark Hoffman that the Zoning Board of Appeals has
determined that there is not a need to for a variance to reduce requirement that driveway shall be
located at least 3 feet from a side yard property line to 0 because the property line in question fronts
on Cedar Street and is a front yard.
With a roll call vote this motion passed 5 to 0.
Yes Hoffman, Schindlbeck, Fortier, Wittlief, Perschbacher
No None
Variance to increase driveway approach from 20 feet to 23 feet 10 inches
The Board shall find that a variance request meets all of the following conditions.
1. The requested variance shall not be contrary to the public interest or to the intent and purpose
of this Ordinance.
Yes Fortier, Hoffman, Wittlief, Perschbacher
No Schindlbeck
2. The requested variance shall not permit the establishment within a district of any use which is
not permitted by right within that zone district, or any use or dimensional variance for which a
special land use permit is required.
Yes Hoffman, Schindlbeck, Wittlief, Fortier, Perschbacher
No None
3. The requested variance shall not cause a substantial adverse effect upon properties in the
immediate vicinity or in the district in which the property of the applicant is located.
Yes Hoffman, Wittlief, Schindlbeck, Fortier, Perschbacher
No None
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4. The conditions or situations which necessitate the requested variance is not so general or of
such recurrent nature as to make the formulation of a general regulation for such conditions
reasonably practical.
Yes Hoffman, Schindlbeck, Fortier, Perschbacher
No Wittlief
5. The requested variance shall relate only to property that is under control of the applicant.
Yes Wittlief, Schindlbeck, Fortier, Hoffman, Perschbacher
No None
6. The requested variance shall not be necessitated by any self-created condition or action taken
by the applicant or property owner.
Yes Wittlief, Hoffman, Perschbacher
No Schindlbeck, Fortier
7. There is no reasonable alternative location on the parcel for the proposed improvements for
which a variance is sought where such alternative location would eliminate the need for the
requested variance or reduce the extent of the condition(s) necessitating the variance.
Yes Wittlief, Fortier, Hoffman, Schindlbeck, Perschbacher
No None
8. The requested variance is the minimum variance that will make possible the reasonable use of
the land.
Yes Fortier, Hoffman, Wittlief, Perschbacher
No Schindlbeck
Special Conditions. When all of the foregoing basic conditions can be satisfied, a variance may be
granted when any one (1) of the following special conditions can be clearly demonstrated:
The Board reviewed all three special conditions and voted on the following:
3. Where such variation is necessary for the preservation of a substantial property right
possessed by other properties in the same zoning district.
Yes None
No Hoffman, Schindlbeck, Wittlief, Perschbacher
2. Where there are exceptional or extraordinary circumstances or physical conditions such as
narrowness, shallowness, shape, or topography of the property involved, or to the intended
use of the property that do not generally apply to other property or uses in the same zoning
district.
Yes Hoffman, Wittlief, Fortier, Perschbacher
No Schindlbeck
MOTION by Mark Hoffman, seconded by Mark Wittlief to approve the variance request from Kay E.
Wagner, 523 Second Street for a variance to increase driveway approach from 20 feet to 23 feet 10
inches.
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With a roll call vote this motion passed 4 to 1.
Yes Hoffman, Fortier, Wittlief, Perschbacher
No Schindlbeck
Variance to reduce requirement that driveway curb cuts be placed at least 30 feet from an
intersection to five feet.
1. The requested variance shall not be contrary to the public interest or to the intent and purpose
of this Ordinance.
Yes Fortier, Kracht, Wittlief, Perschbacher
No Schindlbeck
2. The requested variance shall not permit the establishment within a district of any use which is
not permitted by right within that zone district, or any use or dimensional variance for which a
special land use permit is required.
Yes Hoffman, Schindlbeck, Wittlief, Fortier, Perschbacher
No None
3. The requested variance shall not cause a substantial adverse effect upon properties in the
immediate vicinity or in the district in which the property of the applicant is located.
Yes Hoffman, Wittlief, Schindlbeck, Fortier, Perschbacher
No None
4. The conditions or situations which necessitate the requested variance is not so general or of
such recurrent nature as to make the formulation of a general regulation for such conditions
reasonably practical.
Yes Hoffman, Schindlbeck, Fortier, Wittlief, Perschbacher
No None
5. The requested variance shall relate only to property that is under control of the applicant.
Yes Wittlief, Schindlbeck, Fortier, Hoffman, Perschbacher
No None
6. The requested variance shall not be necessitated by any self-created condition or action taken
by the applicant or property owner.
Yes Wittlief, Fortier, Hoffman, Perschbacher
No Schindlbeck
7. There is no reasonable alternative location on the parcel for the proposed improvements for
which a variance is sought where such alternative location would eliminate the need for the
requested variance or reduce the extent of the condition(s) necessitating the variance.
Yes Wittlief, Fortier, Hoffman, Schindlbeck, Perschbacher
No None
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8. The requested variance is the minimum variance that will make possible the reasonable use of
the land.
Yes Fortier, Hoffman, Wittlief, Perschbacher
No Schindlbeck
Special Conditions. When all of the foregoing basic conditions can be satisfied, a variance may be
granted when any one (1) of the following special conditions can be clearly demonstrated:
2. Where there are exceptional or extraordinary circumstances or physical conditions such as
narrowness, shallowness, shape, or topography of the property involved, or to the intended
use of the property that do not generally apply to other property or uses in the same zoning
district.
Yes Hoffman, Wittlief, Fortier, Perschbacher
No Schindlbeck
MOTION by Mark Hoffman, seconded by Ray Fortier to approve the variance request from Kay E.
Wagner, 523 Second Street is requesting a variance to reduce requirement that driveway curb cuts be
placed at least 30 feet from an intersection to five feet.
With a roll call vote this motion passed 4 to 1.
Yes Hoffman, Fortier, Wittlief, Perschbacher
No Schindlbeck
Old Business:
None
Other Business of the Appeals Board:
None
QUESTIONS, CONCERNS OF CITIZENS IN ATTENDANCE:
None
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Members of the Zoning Board of Appeals were given Zoning Ordinance Updates. Discussed training
opportunities, waiting until Spring.
The Zoning Board of Appeals will be meeting on Thursday, October 6, 2011 at 2:30 p.m. in the Second
Floor Conference Room to approve the October 6, 2011 Meeting Minutes.
ADJOURNMENT:
There being no further business meeting MOTION by Mark Hoffman, seconded by Mark Wittlief the
meeting be adjourned.
Meeting adjourned at 6:55 p.m.
Respectfully Submitted
_______________________________
Denise J. Blakeslee, Recording Secretary
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