Appeals Hearing Board Meeting
Regular MeetingMonterey, CA · October 4, 2019
Minutes
APPEALS HEARING BOARD MEETING MINUTES
CITY OF MONTEREY
Friday, October 4, 2019
10:00 AM
MONTEREY, CALIFORNIA
Board members
Present: Stocker, Hawkins, Millich
Absent: None
Board Staff Assistant City Attorney Karin Salameh, Deputy City Attorney Ryan Donlon,
Present: and Recording Secretary Alicia Salas
Other Staff Chief David Hober, Detective Michael Garcia, Officer Sabrina Perez,
Present: Officer Kris Richardson, Police Services Assistant Angie Madruga,
CALL TO ORDER
Chair Stocker call the meeting order at 10:07
CONSENT ITEMS
Approval of Minutes
1. February 26, 2019
On a motion made by Board member Millich, seconded by Board member Hawkins, and carried
by the following vote, the Appeals Hearing Board approved the Minutes of February 26, 2019.
AYES: 3 COMMISSIONERS: Stocker, Hawkins, Millich
NOES: 0 COMMISSIONERS: None
ABSENT: 0 COMMISSIONERS: None
ABSTAIN: 0 COMMISSIONERS: None
RECUSED: 0 COMMISSIONERS: None
PUBLIC COMMENTS
None.
PUBLIC HEARING
2. Appeal of Police Department's Denial of Application for Massage Establishment Permit -
Appellant Xiao Yan Zhang Runnalls, dba Bay Spa, 437 Figueroa Street, Suite 100 (Not a
Project Under CEQA Guidelines 15061 and 15378 and Exempt Under Section 15321)
Deputy City Attorney Ryan Donlon gave his presentation and took questions from the board.
Appellant Greg Runnalls, husband of Xiao Yan Zhang Runnalls, will take questions, as English
is Ms. Runnalls second language. He gave his opening statement and took questions from the
board.
Mr. Donlon called Police Services Assistant Angie Madruga. Ms. Madruga was sworn in by
Assistant City Attorney, Karin Salameh. Mr. Donlon asked Ms. Madruga to explain the process
once an application has been submitted, she said she makes the appointment with the
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applicant; she compiles the application and then askes a detective to run an internet search of
the business for any illegal advertisement. Mr. Donlon asked Ms. Madruga when the
application was submitted, she said that the application was submitted two weeks after the old
permit had expired. Mr. Donlon asked Ms. Madruga to identify the documents in the packet;
Ms. Madruga identified the documents as the California Massage Therapy Council (CMTC)
cards and certificates of anyone who can perform a massage at this establishment. Mr. Donlon
asked Ms. Madruga if the copy of the three certificates were for the same individuals listed on
the application to which Ms. Madruga agreed with Mr. Donlon. He then asked Ms. Madruga if
there was a certificate for a person who went by the name of Peiyu Chen on the application, to
which Ms. Madruga said no.
Mr. Runnnalls asked Ms. Madruga if it was City practice to take in money for the permit but not
to produce a permit. Ms. Madruga said the fee is for processing the application and if that goes
well, a permit is issued.
Mr. Donlon called Officer Sabrina Perez. Officer Perez was sworn in by Assistant City Attorney
Salameh. Officer Perez testified that she had performed a compliance check of 437 Figueroa
Street, suite 100. Mr. Donlon asked Officer Perez what she observed from the outside of the
building as the closing time of the business, she said she observed the outside posted hours
stated the business closed at 9:30 and she was given a business card that stated the business
closed at 11. Officer Perez testified that she did not encounter anyone in the lobby, but when
she and her partner started to search the building she was confronted by Peiyu Chen and
Xiamei Sun. Mr. Donlon asked Officer Perez if either woman identified themselves as the on-
site manager; she said they both denied being the manager. Mr. Donlon asked if when Officer
Perez performed her inspections of the business did she find an area for sleeping or a
residential area. She said she observed two beds which looked like they had been slept in and
a closet full of clothes that did not appear to be uniforms. She said based on what she saw she
estimated that at least two individuals were living at the business. She said she also observed
a table with food, cooking utensils, and a bottle of wine. Officer Perez stated that during her
search she saw a bottle of Astroglide in one of the rooms where massages are performed.
Officer Perez said they (Chen & Sun) told her they were staying at the owner’s house but could
not provide any details about her name, where she lived, her address, or the general area
where the house was located.
Mr. Runnalls asked Officer Perez if she had performed a thorough search of the business. She
stated that she and her partner did a thorough search. Mr. Runnalls asked if Officer Perez had
seen any empty bottle or open beer cans during her search. Officer Perez said because the
bottle of wine was on the premises that makes it a City Code violation and she does not have to
witness people actually drinking to make it a violation.
Mr. Donlon called Officer Kris Richardson. Officer Richardson was sworn in by Assistant City
Attorney Salameh. Mr. Donlon asked what he observed when he went into the business,
Officer Richardson said it was very apparent that people were living there. He said they did
admit they took naps there. Officer Richardson testified that he found a sexually oriented
implement, specifically a lubricant, Astroglide, in one of the rooms, which he said is often used
for sex.
Mr. Donlon called Detective Michael Garcia. Detective Garcia was sworn in by Assistant City
Attorney Salameh. Officer Garcia testified that after Ms. Madruga receives and compiles the
application packet she will contact him to performed an internet search of the business.
Detective Garcia said he conducted an internet search of Bay Spa on Adult Search, which is a
search engine similar to Google but it is for illicit advertising.
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Mr. Donlon asked Detective Garcia if he had spoken with Ms. Runnalls, the owner of Bay Spa.
He said he had and she told him she employs 5 masseuses, but only knew the name of two of
them. She told Detective Garica that she hires based on the recommendations of the other
masseuses she has employed. Ms. Runnalls told Detective Garcia that she hires from the
Southern California/San Diego area. Detective Garcia testified that Ms. Runnalls admitted to
not being at the business during operating hours.
Mr. Runnalls asked Detective Garcia if Bay Spa had advertised on the sites he searched.
Detective Garcia said he did not believe that Bay Spa had posted the ads. Mr. Runnalls asked
Detective Garcia if he believed all the postings on the website. Officer Garcia said it would be
highly unlikely that there would be over 50 reviews for this business and the reviews not be
consistent with what is going on at this business.
Mr. Donlon called Chief of Police David Hober. Chief Hober was sworn in by Assistant City
Attorney Salameh. Chief Hober gave his credentials and background.
Mr. Donlon asked if what he had heard throughout the hearing was consistent with prostitution
and human trafficking, Chief Hober answered in the affirmative. Mr. Donlon asked if the denial
was based on the evidence presented today, to which Chief Hober agreed. Mr. Donlon asked
Chief Hober why it is important to regulate these kinds of businesses. He said he believes
there are 3 important reasons: 1.) to ensure that illicit massages are not occurring that result in
prostitution; 2.) to protect the businesses that do have a legitimate massage practice; and 3.) to
ensure that human trafficking is not taking place. He said regulating helps protect the
community and any individuals who might be forced into that type of lifestyle.
Mr. Donlon asked Chief Hober if based on the evidence he had heard at the hearing, did it
given him reason to second guess his decision to deny the application to Bay Spa, to which
Chief Hober answered absolutely not.
Board member Hawkins asked Chief Hober if the applicants are given a list of the regulations
when they apply for the permit. Chief Hober said he does not know for sure but said just as
when you get a Driver’s License, it’s imperative to learn the rules that are required of the
licensee.
Chair Stocker asked Chief Hober if the business was in violation when they applied for the
permit since it had expired in October and they didn’t apply until November. Chief Hober said
the business was in violation the day the permit expired. He said the way it should work, is a
business should apply prior to the expiration on the current permit or risk being in violation.
Mr. Runnalls asked Chief Hober if the Monterey Police Department ever sent a letter notifying
the business they could not operate anymore. Chief Hober said he did not believe a letter was
sent to the business.
Mr. Donlon recalled Angie Madruga to answer a few questions regarding the process.
Board member Hawkins asked Ms. Madruga if the applicants are given a copy of the
regulations. Ms. Madruga said she did not recall if she gave her a copy of the City Code but
she said she always tells people to refer to the City Code.
Mr. Donlon then called one of the owners of Bay Spa, Greg J. Runnalls. Mr. Runnalls was
sworn in by Assistant City Attorney Salameh. Mr. Donlon asked Mr. Runnalls why he wrote the
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letter to the City. Mr. Runnalls said he was requesting a hearing based on the letter he received
from the Police Department saying they were going to deny the permit.
Mr. Runnalls called Xiao Yan Zhang Runnalls. Ms. Runnalls was sworn in by Assistant City
Attorney Salameh.
Mr. Runnalls asked Ms. Runnalls if she cooks often for the workers at Bay Spa. Ms. Runnalls
said she cooks for them at home and brings it to them at the business.
Board member Millich asked Ms. Runnalls how often do you take food to the workers and did
you take food on the day of the compliance check. Ms. Runnalls said she did take food at noon
for lunch.
Mr. Runnalls brought in a sample of the ads that are posted on Google by Bay Spa.
At this time Mr. Donlon withdrew the violations based on advertising for sexual services, but not
for advertising with the incorrect business hours.
Mr. Runnalls said the alcohol was a gift from a customer and they had no idea how long it had
been there. He also said there was no evidence of people drinking on the premises. He said
the “residence” at Bay Spa is more like an employee breakroom. Mr. Runnalls said most of the
masseuses lives in Southern California but they stay with him and his wife at their home.
Mr. Runnalls said the clothes at the business are there because they change clothes when they
get to work and when they leave. He said they do not wear the same clothes they give
massages in. Mr. Runnalls said all the people his wife has hired are certified by the California
Massage Therapy Council.
Mr. Donlon asked Mr. Runnalls if he knew the alcohol was illegal to keep on the premises; Mr.
Runnalls said he’s not denying that the alcohol was on the premises but he said the masseuses
did not bring it to the business and no one was drinking it. Mr. Donlon asked Mr. Runnalls how
many people walk to work. Mr. Runnalls said 2 or 3 will walk to work.
Mr. Runnalls said everyone at the business has an identification card and the on-site manager
is now posted.
Mr. Donlon gave his closing arguments.
Mr. Runnalls gave his closing arguments.
Public Comments
None.
Board Member Comments
The Board members discussed the issues of using the business as a residential space; alcohol
on the premises; sexually oriented implements on the premises (Astroglide); the number of
masseuses on the application; certifications of the masseuses; and hours of operation.
Board member Hawkins stated he doesn’t think the city should drop the advertising charge but
made a motion to adopt the proposed ruling with the exception of the violation for sexually
explicit advertising.
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Board member Millich seconded the motion.
On a motion made by Board member Hawkins, seconded by Board member Millich, and carried
by the following vote, the Appeals Hearing Board denied the appeal and upheld the Police
Chief’s Denial of a Massage Establishment Permit for Bay Spa.
AYES: 3 COMMISSIONERS: Stocker, Hawkins, Millich
NOES: 0 COMMISSIONERS: None
ABSENT: 0 COMMISSIONERS: None
ABSTAIN: 0 COMMISSIONERS: None
RECUSED: 0 COMMISSIONERS: None
BOARD MEMBER COMMENTS
Chair Stocker made a comment about John Kuehl’s retirement.
ADJOURNMENT
Chair Stocker adjourned the hearing at 12:02.
Respectfully Submitted, Approved,
Alicia Salas Daryl Hawkins
Recording Secretary Chair of the Board
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Agenda
Board Members
Daryl Hawkins
Appeals Hearing Board Stephen Millich
Meeting Agenda David Stocker
Nick Yaqub (alternate)
Appeals Hearing Board
City Attorney
Friday, October 4, 2019 M. Christine Davi
City Council Chambers 10:00 AM
580 Pacific Street
Monterey, California
CALL TO ORDER
CONSENT ITEMS
CONSENT ITEMS allow for a review of those items recommended for approval on
consent or recommended to be continued, tabled or withdrawn, etc. Consent items
consist of those items which are routine and for which a staff recommendation has been
prepared. A member of the public or a Commissioner may request that an item
recommended for approval on consent be heard on the regular agenda for further
discussion.
Approval of Minutes
1. February 26, 2019
PUBLIC COMMENTS
PUBLIC COMMENTS allows you, the public, to speak for a maximum of three minutes
on any subject which is within the jurisdiction of the City of Monterey and which is not on
the agenda. Any person or group desiring to bring an item to the attention of the Board
may do so by addressing the Board during Public Comments or by addressing a letter of
explanation to: Permits & Inspection Services, 580 Pacific St, Room 4, Monterey, CA
93940. The appropriate staff person will contact the sender concerning the details.
PUBLIC HEARING
PUBLIC HEARINGS are held to receive public comment on certain items pending Board
action. You are welcome to offer your comments after being recognized by the Chair.
The Board may limit the time allocated to each speaker.
2. Appeal of Police Department's Denial of Application for Massage
Establishment Permit - Appellant Xiao Yan Zhang Runnalls, dba Bay Spa, 437
Figueroa Street, Suite 100 (Not a Project Under CEQA Guidelines 15061 and
15378 and Exempt Under Section 15321)
BOARD MEMBER COMMENTS
Board members may ask a question for clarification, make a brief announcement or
make a brief report on his or her activities. In addition, the Oversight Board may provide
a referral to staff or other resources for factual information, request staff to report back to
the body at a subsequent meeting concerning any City matter, or direct staff to place a
request to agendize a matter of business on a future agenda (G.C. 54954.2).
ADJOURNMENT
Members of the public have the right to address the Appeals Hearing Board on any item on the Agenda,
before or during its consideration [G.C. §54954.3(a)]. The Chair will formally open the floor for public
comment on items such as "Public Appearance" and "Public Hearings." If you wish to speak to items in
any other categories, please advise the Secretary to the Board or the Chair prior to the Appeals Hearing
Board's action on that item, and you will be recognized. Notification as much in advance as possible is
appreciated.
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Information distributed to the Appeals Board at the meeting becomes part of the public record. A copy of
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