Planning Commission Meeting
Regular MeetingMonterey, CA · October 25, 2011
Minutes
MINUTES
PLANNING COMMISSION
Tuesday, October 25, 2011
4:00 pm - 5:30 pm
7:00 pm - 11:00 pm
FEW MEMORIAL HALLS OF RECORDS, MONTEREY, CA 93940
MONTEREY, CALIFORNIA
Commissioners Present: Davis, McCrone (arrived at 7:01 pm), Osorio (arrived at 7:03
pm), Stites, Stocker, Widmar
Commissioners Absent: Garden
Staff Members Present: Chief of Planning, Engineering & Environmental Compliance
Rerig, Principal Planner Cole, Senior Associate Planner
Bennett, City Traffic Engineer Deal, Police Lieutenant Jackson,
Recording Secretary Hanes
CALL TO ORDER
CONSENT ITEMS
On a motion by Commissioner Widmar, seconded by Commissioner McCrone, and
carried by the following vote, the Planning Commission approved the Consent Agenda
as submitted:
AYES: 6 COMMISSIONERS: Davis, McCrone, Osorio, Stites, Stocker, Widmar
NOES: 0 COMMISSIONERS: None
ABSENT: 1 COMMISSIONERS: Garden
ABSTAIN: 0 COMMISSIONERS: None
RECUSED: 0 COMMISSIONERS: None
1. 867 Alameda Avenue; HPC Application 11-244 (H-2 Historic Zoning);
Applicant/Owner James Sivo; R-1-6 Zoning District; Exempt from CEQA
Requirements.
That the Planning Commission recommend to City Council to adopt an Ordinance to
rezone the property as a City Historic Resource from R-1-6 to R-1-6-H-2.
ACTION: Recommendation to City Council to adopt an Ordinance to rezone
the property as a City Historic Resource from R-1-6 to R-1-6-H-2. 6-0-
1(Absent-Garden).
Approval of Minutes
2. September 27, 2011
ACTION: Approved as submitted. 6-0-1(Absent-Garden).
***End of Consent Agenda***
PUBLIC COMMENTS
None.
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PUBLIC HEARING
3. 1001 Hellam Street; Appeal 11-250 of Architectural Review Application 11-062;
Appellants/Owners Ray and Liz LaBonte; R-1-6 Zoning District; Exempt from CEQA
Requirements.
Consider an appeal of the Architectural Review Committee denial of Preliminary and
Final Architectural Review for the construction of an addition and exterior alterations to
an existing single family dwelling.
ACTION: Continued to November 22, 2011.
Staff Presentation/Commissioners Questions:
Kim Cole presented the staff report and answered Commissioners’ questions.
On a motion by Commissioner Stocker, seconded by Commissioner Stites, and carried
by the following vote, the Planning Commission continued the item to November 22,
2011:
AYES: 6 COMMISSIONERS: Davis, McCrone, Osorio, Stites, Stocker, Widmar
NOES: 0 COMMISSIONERS: None
ABSENT: 1 COMMISSIONERS: Garden
ABSTAIN: 0 COMMISSIONERS: None
RECUSED: 0 COMMISSIONERS: None
CONTINUED PUBLIC COMMENTS
None.
PUBLIC HEARING
4. 479 Alvarado Street; Review of Use Permit 11-154; Applicant Anthony Buich;
Owner William Stahl; C-2 Zoning District; Exempt from CEQA Requirement.
Conduct 90 day review of Use Permit Conditions of Approval associated with the
operation of The Mucky Duck.
ACTION: Approved revisions to the Conditions of Approval based upon the
operation of the business over the past 90 days. 5-1 (Noes -Widmar)-1 (Absent-
Garden).
Staff Presentation/Commissioners Questions:
Todd Bennett presented the staff report and along with Kim Cole and Officer Jackson,
answered Commissioners’ questions.
Applicant:
Anthony and Alex Buich, owners of The Mucky Duck, were present.
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Mr. Anthony Buich said he was under the understanding that no dancing on the patio
was an already eliminated from the conditions. Chair Davis clarified that revised
conditions are under discussion. Mr. Buich questioned why his establishment was being
held to such strict restrictions after they have proven they can run a problem free
business and requested they be treated to the same standards as other similar
establishments in the area. He said the restrictions will not make the business viable and
will negatively affect the potential revenue. Chair Davis asked the applicant which
conditions are not acceptable. Mr. Buich said his hours of operation should be the same
as other establishments in the area and use of the patio should be consistent with the
business hours of operation and requested to have live music allowed on the patio until
midnight on Friday and Saturday nights. In answer to Commissioner McCrone’s
question, Mr. Buich said all other similar establishments are allowed to have patrons
enter until 2am, other establishments with patios are allowed to use them until 1:30-
2:00am. He also said it has been very hard to regulate the “no dancing” condition
because dancing is interpretive.
Mr. Alex Buich requested to extend the 9:00 pm requirement on music ending and
change the 10:00 pm requirement to close the patio to midnight.
Public Comments:
Peter Blackwell, original owner of the subject property, said the patio opened for
business in 1994 and provided for 60% of the income of the business and is essential to
keeping the business viable. He said it’s not fair to hold the new owners responsible for
the actions of the previous owner and suggested another review in six months.
Deborah Shotgun said she books the music for The Mucky Duck and the genre is Blues,
Jazz and R&B which attracts a very different crowd of people than DJ music mostly
consisting of Hip Hop. In answer to Commissioner Osorio’s question, she said the
restrictions placed on the times music is available at the establishment make it very
difficult to book some bands because of traveling.
Mike Dawson said he is concerned that even with the changes, the music will still
negatively affect his property and requested the Commission maintain the 9:00 pm
closing of the patio.
Armand Nicholson said the new owners of the Mucky Duck have completely turned the
business around to make it a better establishment and the music has been significantly
lowered. He said they should be held to the same standards as other similar businesses
on Alvarado.
Jerry Anderson, Saucito Land Company, said the new owners have made a difference at
the location and deserve respect and gratitude. He said the Mucky Duck is the only
establishment with music on the patio and the City needs to consider the intentions for
the future of the Downtown. He is concerned that if the music goes past 9:00 pm it will
make it difficult to find residents to occupy the building his company owns adjacent to the
subject property. In answer to Commissioner Stocker’s question, he said he understands
the request to reconsider the hours of operation and dancing on the patio would not be a
concern for him, but the amplified sound and music on the patio past 9:00 pm is a
concern.
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Uwe Grobecker, Santa Lucia Café, said he has live music at the Café. The Mucky
Duck’s time constraints create a handicap for this business in Downtown because of the
competition from Cannery Row that has establishments that stay open later with music.
He suggested the Commission consider allowing the Mucky Duck to have 10 weekends
a year that will allow live patio live music to stay open later.
Bill Stahl, property owner, said the Mucky Duck establishment should be held to the
same standards as other similar establishments in the area. He said the music and
entertainment on the patio has a history at the business and the apartments adjacent to
the property are not currently occupied. He suggested the Commission allow the new
owners to have a chance and review the permit on a regular basis or as needed.
Kirk Probasco, Mid Coast Realty, said the Buich’s have done a remarkable job re-
furbishing the Mucky Duck and have also improved the quality of staff and encouraged
the Commission to adjust the restrictions that were placed on the establishment at the
June meeting. He said the hours should be extended and the patio should be available
for various uses, but suggested keeping the music indoors.
Troy Oshay said he is a musician that plays at the Mucky Duck and complimented the
Buich’s on their integrity and ambition to improve the establishment. He said the music
that is now played at the Mucky Duck draws a more respectable crowd and expressed
concern on the time constraints for music because it will make it difficult to book
musicians from out of town. He made mention of other establishments in the area that
have live music outside like Peter B’s and Indian Summer, and said noise comes from
several businesses on Alvarado that will affect the potential residents in the mixed use
buildings along Alvarado.
Anthony Buich said music inside the building is not conducive because of the floor plan
and the patio is a big attraction for patrons of the business.
Commissioner Comments:
Commissioner Osorio concurred with Mr. Anderson that the vision of the Downtown area
should be considered and motioned to approve revisions to the Conditions of Approval
based upon the operation of the business over the past 90 days as follows:
Condition #4
o g.1 – Close all entrances at 1:30 am
o g.2 – Stop sales of all alcohol beverages at 1:30 am
o g.3 – Live Entertainment in the outdoor patio area shall end by 9:00 pm on
weekdays and midnight on Friday and Saturday night.
o g.4 – Live Entertainment inside the building shall end by 12:00 am
(midnight) nightly.
o g.5 – Outdoor seating in the patio area shall end by 1:30 am
o g.6 – Eliminated
o g.7 – Business shall close every night by 2:00 am
Commissioner Davis seconded the motion.
Commissioner McCrone said the Buich's have done a great job at resurrecting the
business, and concurs that the business should be held to the same standards as other
establishments in the area, and would like to have the project come back to the
Commission in six months for a review. He said the no dancing restriction should stay as
a condition with language that indicates the patio configuration will remain for dining only
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with a closing time of midnight for a six month trial period. He suggested the applicant
research possible ways to muffle the sound from leaving the patio and he would consider
some exceptions throughout the year to allow music played later, but the restriction for all
other days should remain at a 9:00 pm stop time for the music.
Commissioner Stocker said the no dancing restriction should be eliminated and the
indoor portion of the establishment should be held to the same standards as all other
similar establishments in the area. He concurs with the six month review and requested
the motion be amended to operate the interior of the business by the standards set forth
from the ABC and dining on the patio should be allowed until midnight with music only
allowed until 10:00 pm on the weekends and 9:00 pm on weekdays with the exception of
midnight closings on pre-designated special event dates for the patio. Commissioners
Osorio and Davis concurred with the amendments to the motion.
Commissioner Widmar questioned why sound is of concern considering the business has
complied with the 65 decibal maximum and suggested the Commission consider leaving
the patio open until 12:30 pm on a trial basis. He also said the new owners should not
be held responsible for the previous owner’s mistakes and problems with the business
and the patio should be utilized for the competitive advantage it offers.
Commissioner Osorio amended his motion to include a 12 month review of the permit.
Mr. Rerig asked for clarification from the Commission on the condition requiring a list of
10 days that the establishment would like to stay open late and requested the
Commission clarify in the condition that a list would need to be submitted by the applicant
to the Planning Office. The Commission concurred.
Commissioner McCrone said he will not support the motion and the permit should come
back for review in six months. Commissioner Osorio concurred that a six month review
was appropriate and amended his motion. Commissioner Davis concurred.
Commissioner Widmar suggested the music condition be extended until 11:00 pm on the
weekends and said the tenants of the residences in the Downtown area should be made
aware they are moving into a Downtown that has potential for noise.
Commissioner Osorio clarified that the condition requiring submittal of a request for 10
special events with extended hours is for 10 one night events. He also clarified the
changes made to the other conditions as follows:
Condition #1
o Use Permit 11-154 (Outdoor Seating and Live Entertainment) shall be
reviewed by the Planning Commission for compliance with the Conditions of
Approval after six months.
Condition #4
o g.3 – Live Entertainment in the outdoor patio area shall end by 9:00 pm on
weekdays and 10:00 pm on Friday and Saturday night, and the applicant will
annually submit a list to the City of 10 events a year, one night per event,
that will have extended music hours to 12:00 am (midnight).
o g.5 – Outdoor seating in the patio area shall end by 12:00 am (midnight).
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Commissioner Widmar again suggested an extension of the live music hours on the patio
to 11:00 pm, with the understanding that the permit can be re-evaluated and hours can
be scaled back if needed. He called for a vote on the motion.
On a motion by Commissioner Osorio, seconded by Commissioner Davis, and carried by
the following vote, the Planning Commission approved revisions to the Conditions of
Approval based upon the operation of the business over the past 90 days.:
AYES: 5 COMMISSIONERS: Davis, McCrone, Osorio, Stites, Stocker
NOES: 1 COMMISSIONERS: Widmar
ABSENT: 1 COMMISSIONERS: Garden
ABSTAIN: 0 COMMISSIONERS: None
RECUSED: 0 COMMISSIONERS: None
Chair Davis called for a five minute recess at 8:55 pm. Reconvened at 9:00 pm.
5. 1410 Del Monte Center; Application 11-163 to Re-open Use Permit 99-149;
Applicant Jill Vivanco; Owner Pacific Oceanside Holdings, LLP; C-2-SC Zoning
District; Exempt from CEQA Requirement.
Consider revisions to the Del Monte Center employee holiday shuttle program.
ACTION: Approved staff recommended revisions to the Employee Holiday
Shuttle Program with an added condition that the Planning
Commission shall review the program status in one year. 6-0-1
(Absent-Garden).
Staff Presentation/Commissioners Questions:
Todd Bennett presented the staff report and answered Commissioners’ questions.
Applicant:
Jill Vivanco was present.
Public Comments:
Rick Hewer said the Alta Mesa Neighborhood is not taking a position on the subject. He
expressed concern about the potential for growth at the Del Monte Center (DMC) and
said it is not completely built out and urged the Commission to deny the application.
Mike Dawson said he has monthly meetings with DMC to address issues, concerns and
plans for the development of the center and e suggested considering no shuttle days.
He said the letters of opposition that were submitted are from the properties that back up
to the center and the DMC has been a very good neighbor to the Alta Mesa
neighborhood. .
Commissioner Comments:
Commissioner Stocker motioned to approve staff recommended revisions to the
Employee Holiday Shuttle Program with an added condition that the Planning
Commission shall review the program status in one year. Commissioner McCrone
seconded the motion.
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On a motion by Commissioner Stocker, seconded by Commissioner McCrone, and
carried by the following vote, the Planning Commission approved staff recommended
revisions to the Employee Holiday Shuttle Program with an added condition that the
Planning Commission shall review the program status in one year.:
AYES: 6 COMMISSIONERS: Davis, McCrone, Osorio, Stites, Stocker, Widmar
NOES: 0 COMMISSIONERS: None
ABSENT: 1 COMMISSIONERS: Garden
ABSTAIN: 0 COMMISSIONERS: None
RECUSED: 0 COMMISSIONERS: None
COMMISSIONERS COMMENTS
6. Response to Commissioners’ Comments at the September 27, 2011 Meeting
Report received.
New Comments:
Commissioner Widmar expressed concern about the safety of vehicles traveling
around a large storage container located on the street at 1210 Munras Avenue.
Ms. Cole informed the Commission that the property is part of a code
enforcement case and the resident was moved to an assisted living facility and
the family is cleaning up the property which requires the use of the storage
container.
INFORMATIONAL REPORTS & STAFF COMMENTS
7. Planning Office Update
Report received and reviewed.
ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business, the meeting adjourned at 9:28 P.M.
Respectfully Submitted, Approved,
Kimberly Cole, AICP Chair
Managing Principal Planner Planning Commission
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Agenda
Planning Commission
Agenda Commissioners
Paul W. Davis, Chair
Regular Meeting Leon Garden, Vice Chair
Willard McCrone
Tuesday, October 25, 2011 Luis Osorio
Moses Stites
Council Chambers David Stocker
4:00 pm - 5:30 pm Ralph Widmar
Few Memorial Halls of Records 7:00 pm - 11:00 pm
Monterey, California
FIELD TRIP
The Planning Commission will conduct a field trip on Monday, October 24, 2011 at 4:00
P.M. to review the Tuesday, October 25, 2011 Planning Commission Agenda. The Planning
Commission departs for the field from behind Monterey City Hall–Colton Hall Museum. For
information call (831) 646-3886. Date Posted: October 21, 2011
***Afternoon Session Agenda***
4:00 - 5:30 p.m.
CALL TO ORDER
CONSENT ITEMS
CONSENT ITEMS allow for a review of those items recommended for approval on consent or
recommended to be continued, tabled or withdrawn, etc. Consent items consist of those items
which are routine and for which a staff recommendation has been prepared. A member of the
public or a Commissioner may request that an item recommended for approval on consent be
heard on the regular agenda for further discussion.
1. 867 Alameda Avenue; HPC Application 11-244 (H-2 Historic Zoning);
Applicant/Owner James Sivo; R-1-6 Zoning District; Exempt from CEQA
Requirements.
That the Planning Commission recommend to City Council to adopt an Ordinance to
rezone the property as a City Historic Resource from R-1-6 to R-1-6-H-2.
Approval of Minutes
2. September 27, 2011
***End of Consent Agenda***
PUBLIC COMMENTS
PUBLIC COMMENTS. At this time, the public may speak for a maximum of three minutes on any
subject which is within the jurisdiction of the Monterey Planning Commission and which is not on
the agenda. Any person or group desiring to bring an item to the attention of the Commission may
do so during Public Comments or by addressing a letter of explanation to the Commission, City
Hall, Monterey, CA 93940. Public Comments are taken during the afternoon session and
continued at the evening session. Individuals may choose to speak once for up to three minutes at
either session, but not both.
PUBLIC HEARING
PUBLIC HEARINGS are required by law for certain actions. You are welcome to offer your
comments after being recognized by the Chair. The Chair may limit the time allocated to each
speaker. Project representation is encouraged.
3. 1001 Hellam Street; Appeal 11-250 of Architectural Review Application 11-062;
Appellants/Owners Ray and Liz LaBonte; R-1-6 Zoning District; Exempt from CEQA
Requirements.
Consider an appeal of the Architectural Review Committee denial of Preliminary and Final
Architectural Review for the construction of an addition and exterior alterations to an
existing single family dwelling.
RECESS 5:30 p.m.
RECONVENE
***Evening Session Agenda***
7:00 - 11:00 p.m.
CONTINUED PUBLIC COMMENTS
CONTINUED PUBLIC COMMENTS. At this time, the public may speak for a maximum of three
minutes on any subject which is within the jurisdiction of the Monterey Planning Commission and
which is not on the agenda. Any person or group desiring to bring an item to the attention of the
Commission may do so during Public Comments or by addressing a letter of explanation to the
Commission, City Hall, Monterey, CA 93940. Public Comments are taken during the afternoon
session and continued at the evening session. Individuals may choose to speak once for up to
three minutes at either session, but not both.
PUBLIC HEARING
PUBLIC HEARINGS are required by law for certain actions. You are welcome to offer your
comments after being recognized by the Chair. The Chair may limit the time allocated to each
speaker. Project representation is encouraged.
4. 479 Alvarado Street; Review of Use Permit 11-154; Applicant Anthony Buich; Owner
William Stahl; C-2 Zoning District; Exempt from CEQA Requirement.
Conduct 90 day review of Use Permit Conditions of Approval associated with the
operation of The Mucky Duck.
5. 1410 Del Monte Center; Application 11-163 to Re-open Use Permit 99-149; Applicant
Jill Vivanco; Owner Pacific Oceanside Holdings, LLP; C-2-SC Zoning District;
Exempt from CEQA Requirement.
Consider revisions to the Del Monte Center employee holiday shuttle program.
COMMISSIONERS COMMENTS
COMMISSIONERS may ask a question for clarification, make a brief announcement or make a
brief report on his or her activities. In addition, a Commissioner may provide a referral to staff or
other resources for factual information, request staff to report back to the body at a subsequent
meeting concerning any City matter, or direct staff to place a request to agendize a matter of
business on a future agenda. (G.C. 54954.2)
6. Response to Commissioners’ Comments at the September 27, 2011 Meeting
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INFORMATIONAL REPORTS & STAFF COMMENTS
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announcements and may request clarification or direction regarding the scheduling of meetings
and study sessions.
7. Planning Office Update
ADJOURNMENT
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end no later than 5:30 p.m. and the Evening Session will end no later than 11:00 p.m. Any public
agenda items that have not been completed within the designated adjournment time may be formally
extended by the Commission, or continued to the next regularly scheduled Planning Commission
Meeting, or continued to a Special Meeting.
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Oct 26 Library Board Meeting, Library Community Room - 5:30 PM
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Oct 27 Historic Preservation Commission Meeting, Council Chamber - 4:00 pm
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