Health, Recreation & Events Committee
Regular MeetingMount Pleasant, SC · April 21, 2020
Minutes
TOWN OF MOUNT PLEASANT, SOUTH CAROLINA
SPECIAL MEETING
RECREATION COMMITTEE
Tuesday, April 21, 2020
2:00 p.m.
Video-Conference Meeting
Live Streaming Link:
https://youtu.be/Zah27nRuk1w
MINUTES
Present via video: Gary Santos, Chair; Jake Rambo, G. M. Whitley
1. Call to order
Mr. Santos called the Special Meeting of the Recreation Committee to
order at 2:00 p.m. via video conferencing and live streaming.
2. Roll call
3. Public comments
Mr. Santos said the public comments were received either by e-mail or by
voice message. He said they received a voice messages from Ms.
Sharon Mills and Mr. Dan Gaita. He said they both strongly agreed that
they should proceed with opening the Town’s parks.
Daniel R. Gaita MA, LMSW - Dear Mount Pleasant Recreation
Committee Members: I formally submit this public comment for the record
during the Special Meeting of the Recreation Committee being held via
live stream, Tuesday April 21, 2020 at 2pm via link:
https://youtu.be/Zah27nRuk1w
As a licensed clinical mental health social worker, I strongly encourage
the opening of all Mount Pleasant Parks and Recreation Facilities and all
programs that would allow for common sense continuation of social
distancing measures. Open space locations, fields, trails, pools etc. I
base this suggestion on all available data from the WHO, CDC and more
importantly, DHEC.
First Basis of Suggestion (Parks & Rec, Open Space, Trails) With
Costco, Lowes, Home Depot, and Walmart all packed and open during
this quarantine, Charleston County has only 3 COVID19 related deaths
(Since March 24th) in a county of 415,000...A survival rate of 99.23%.
With a County mortality rate of 0.77. (Data Source DHEC)
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Second Basis of Suggestion (Pools) There is no evidence that COVID-
19 can be spread to humans through the use of pools, hot tubs or spas,
or water playgrounds. Proper operation, maintenance, and disinfection
(e.g., with chlorine and bromine) of pools, hot tubs or spas, and water
playgrounds should inactivate the virus that causes COVID-19. (Source
CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/php/water.html)
Third Basis of Suggestion: (Mental Health & Fitness) Newly emerging
research being conducted by Mount Pleasant based Operation Vet Fit
continues to show a growing relationship between quarantine and mental
health factors (Anxiety, Depression, Well Being) Whereby those with
access to exercising more often are demonstrating lower rates of anxiety
and depression with more positive well being. While those unable to
access open space, gyms and or equipment to exercise are experiencing
higher rates of depression and anxiety and lower sense of well being.
(Source: https://www.operationvetfit.org/corona)
Finally, our Town and County have answered the call of our President,
Governor, and Mayor during this time of pandemic uncertainty. Based on
all federal guidance and data, Mount Pleasant appears to be one of the
fortunate towns ripe for reopening with cautious optimism and continued
social distancing measures. Respectfully submitted.
Sharon Mills - I have been a resident of Mt. Pleasant for over 30
years. My husband and my daughter in law both are Mt. Pleasant
physicians. I have a 93 yr. old mother in a Mt. Pleasant assisted living
facility. I have two grandbabies and one pregnant daughter. Just a little
background to say I see lots of different perspectives.
I want to applaud Gary Santos and those who join him on Town Council
for trying to open up some “green spaces” for
walking/exercising/moving. I don’t mean playgrounds or restrooms. I
mean green spaces where people just can breathe in fresh air and walk. I
live in a wonderful neighborhood but we do not have sidewalks and
everyone is walking down the middle of the roads which is dangerous,
and it’s hard to stay 6 feet away.
People need to move around in safe places. To see others moving
around. To realize the sky is not falling, and that we still live in a beautiful
place. For older people to not lose their physical ability to walk around
(that happens to older people—don’t use it, you lose it.) If the areas are
monitored, it won’t take people long to notice if the police (who are out in
force now anyway) gently remind people no groups are allowed and then
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the police fine them after one warning or if they won’t disperse. They will
stop. To let the fear of a potential few who might not go by the rules, ruin
it for the rest of us is insulting. We understand the dangers. We see the
news. We have sheltered in place. We have gotten take-outs to
encourage local businesses. Please go on the assumption that most
people really do care and really are listening. They just need to stay
mentally and physically healthy in this time. Places like the Mt. Pleasant
Town Hall track (lots of green grass, a track, no equipment, right by
police station), Park West, or even the grassy area by Alhambra—wide
open spots –help us as the citizens do our best to stay healthy. Start
with the areas that are the most “open” spaces. Monitor them. Enforce
the rules kindly but firmly. Let the majority of Mt. Pleasant see the light
at the end of the tunnel and feel a bit of encouragement. Trust us to do
right. We appreciate the police, and all first responders. We appreciate
the jobs each of you are doing.
It’s a confusing time. But, despite facebook conversations, the hospitals
do say the numbers are turning around. I get a Roper update each day
from my husband (in writing). It’s not about people being bored. It’s not
about people wanting to party. It is about people being able to exercise
(mood enhancer) and get a stress reliever to quiet their minds, help them
to rest better at night, etc. People’s health will start to suffer from lack of
movement and their anxieties are increasing by the week. That will play
out in negative ways for many, and for their neighbors/families/friends.
Now you are going to have people arguing over the beach access, stores
opening (or not). People are ready to “fight” over something. Give Mt.
Pleasant residents a little “win”—a positive thing that says, “we heard
you, we see you, we want to help our residents.”
Don’t let fear rule the days. Especially not fear of the non-
compliant. When have we ever made rules based on fear of the citizens
who don’t abide by the laws.
Thank you for consideration of this.
4. Discussion and possible action with regard to the reopening of
Town parks
Mr. Santos said that it was advertised that they would be talking about
opening the Town’s parks so the citizens would have an opportunity to
come out and exercise with some restrictions and guidelines.
Mr. Gergick thanked the Committee Members for participating on the
video conference. He said Chairman Santos had asked the Department
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to look at a plan on how they could open the Town’s parks on a limited
basis. He said information had been forwarded to them on how the
Department envisioned it could happen if the Recreation Committee and
Town Council chose to do so. He said the parks identified were as Park
West, Jimmy Seignious Fields, and Cheryl Woods-Flowers. He said this
would be for leisure activities with no organized activities such as team
sports or personal training. Mr. Gergick said the Department would have
staff at each of the facilities to monitor and ensure that proper social
distancing took place. He said they would divide the fields with
subsections and limit the number to two people per section in accordance
with the Governor’s order. He said the hours would be from 10 a.m. to 6
p.m., Monday through Saturday. He said if asked to do so, the
Department was willing and capable of implementing it.
Mr. Santos said this was a moment in progress and it was not set in
stone. He discussed limits, social distancing, and the facilities involved.
He said they would be doing this for the citizen’s benefit of exercise,
health, and safety. He they would be abiding by all Center for Disease
Control (CDC) guidelines.
Mr. Rambo said they did not mention the Whipple Road Tennis
Center which was on the plan sent previously.
Mr. Gergick said that though the Tennis Center and the courts at
Park West were listed, he understood there was a prohibition on the use
of shared equipment and identified that that use of tennis balls would not
be permitted in accordance with the existing orders. He said they had
since modified that information.
Mr. Rambo said he had people reach out about the batting cages at
the Jones Center and asked if they could be available.
Mr. Gergick answered in the affirmative.
Mr. Rambo asked about the limits of two people and the fact that
people may be in the same household.
Mr. Gergick said the Department would do whatever Council
recommends. He said they thought of limiting it to two people because it
would put staff in a bind to be able to understand if people are a family.
He said staff would know the difference between two or three people as it
was not a subjective thing.
Mr. Rambo said he did not know how Councilman Santos and
Councilwoman Whitley felt but all the CDC guidelines and the Governor’s
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order opening boat ramps they use no more than two people. He said if
someone is in the same household they had been sheltering together and
should make that part of the opening as well.
Mr. Santos said with tennis there are two people on one side and two
people on the other. He said he thought that would satisfy it if you are
separated from another group. He said the ballfields were huge and as
long as they have the social distancing, he was not so sure that two was
the number.
Ms. Whitley ask Mr. Gergick if they had staff availability to be
stationed to monitor the facilities from 10 a.m. to 6 p.m. to enforce the
limitations.
Mr. Gergick answered in the affirmative. He said at Park West they
would have three to four staff members the entire time. He said there was
not a problem with the number of staff given all the programs and facilities
being closed.
Ms. Whitley asked if the barriers to divide the field were stored
somewhere or did, they need to be purchased.
Mr. Gergick said they planned to use chalk or paint lines.
Ms. Whitley said she echoed Mr. Rambo’s concerns. She said she
did not think staff should be a in a position to look at a group of people
and determine if they are a family.
Mr. Gergick said that was why they were proposing the strict
interpretation of two people.
Ms. Whitley said they were arbitrarily drawing a line as to which
facilities were opening. She said they closed a lot of places because they
were having the issue of people gathering and not observing social
distancing. She asked if staff were properly trained on how to handle
situations where a large number of people are.
Mr. Gergick said their anticipation was that the demand would not
exceed the capacity primarily due to the limitations of what they were
allowed to do. He said there was no organized sports or activities just two
people being able to use a portion of a field.
Mr. Santos said that Chief Ritchie was with them for the video
conference and asked him for input.
Chief Ritchie said the Police Department would support Mr. Gergick
and his staff and assist any way possible. He said they had been
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managing this with social distancing and would assist with the messaging.
He said they would assist them in whatever decision was finally made by
Council and the officials in how they want them to proceed.
Mr. Rambo said they mentioned no organized sports or personal
training. He asked if would prohibit a parent from taking their child out,
putting up cones, and training with them.
Mr. Santos answered in the negative and said as long as they were
with their family.
Ms. Whitley asked what the timeline was for reopening some of the
facilities in notifying the citizens, what the boundaries and rules were, and
clarifying instead of hammering out the details and opening the facilities
and asked about weekends.
Mr. Santos said they have Monday through Saturday listed.
Ms. Whitley asked the timeline and were they talking tomorrow, or
would it take time to put up the barriers and getting staff educated.
Mr. Gergick said if they had 72 hours’ notice of approval, they could
implement it at any point with three days to get everything ready.
Ms. Whitley said procedurally they are under the emergency
ordinance and they are just three members of Council and there were nine
of them. She asked what the next step would be if this would move
forward.
Mr. Santos said the next step would be a vote of Council.
Ms. Whitley said they said 72 hours from when Council makes the
move. She was hesitant about doing it so soon as they are still under stay
at home orders and school was still out. She asked if they were following
what the Governor says and following the limitations and thought there
may be pressure to open more and staff would be overtaxed. She said
she was worried about infection.
Mr. Santos said he thought they need to move forward as the citizens
have been clear they want to get out and exercise. He says they do need
to go by the rules.
Ms. Whitley said that under the Governor’s order, tennis is
considered a sport with shared equipment and asked if they would not be
allowed to open.
Mr. Gergick said that was his understanding and that was correct.
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Mr. Santos said it depends because if it was family members playing
tennis that could do it.
Mr. Rambo asked if Legal was on the call and asked if they could get
their opinion.
Mr. Pagliarini said he had read all of the Governor’s orders and had
been tracking them closely. He said his concern about the shared
equipment is that it does not make a distinction where you could separate
out family members or just other individuals. He said it was clear and
unambiguous about no shared equipment. He said that would be his
concern with tennis and pickleball and that was something that this
Committee and Council should be aware of. He said the Governor’s order
are very clear about the distancing requirements no matter what the action
is. He said that to Ms. Whitley’s point, none of the Governor’s orders
closed public parks or anything of the sort. He said that was just a Town
initiative. He said as a final procedure he would envision a resolution of
Council to take care of this at a special meeting.
Mr. Rambo said through this whole thing they need to be cognizant
of what the medicals opinions they are given. He reached out to some
medical doctors and shared the proposal and all of them were in
agreement that as long as social distancing guidelines are followed that
opening the parks are a positive thing for people’s health. They said
getting outside and exercising promotes not only physical health but
mental health which is a lot of people’s struggle through this. He also
wanted them to bear in mind that the quarantine situation had created
unequal access to physically activity.
Ms. Whitley said that as long as social distancing was adhered to
and was monitored, and they need to ensure the safety of staff throughout
this. She said she was concerned about the safety of the staff and the
timeline but as things are followed, she agreed providing more access to
the outdoors and public facilities.
Mr. Santos said Mr. Gergick and staff was very cognizant of making
sure that they are safe. Mr. Santos said they need to send it to Council.
Mr. Rambo said he eventually everything would be open, and the
data would guide them on that. He thought they should consider what a
phased in approach would be. He said this was phase one he wondered
if phase two would be basketball courts in the Old Village, Greenhill,
Remley’s Park, and Waterfront Park. He asked what the plan would be
with eventually the facilities, gyms, and pools. He said they need to start
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think about it. He said also as more things open, he did not know if they
need to keep staff manning the facilities as more things open.
Mr. Santos said one has to walk before they run. He thought they
want to make sure they get this right. He wants to make sure the first
phase goes right, and they do it right the first time before they start any
second phase. He said they will have to tweak it.
Ms. Whitley said she had multiple citizens express concerns about
how Sullivan’s Island and Ise of Palms have blocked access for a lot of
Mount Pleasant citizens. She asked if opening the facilities was going to
be to the Town’s citizens or to whoever shows up.
Mr. Santos said he had always been a proponent of an eye for eye
leaves everybody blind. He said he thought what they did was wrong. He
said the Town does not need to get down to that level as they were better
than that.
Mr. Rambo said that parks were not closed on the Governor’s order,
but they are closed under our current situation. He said under the
emergency proclamation that the Town was operating under, he asked if
it would need to go before full Council or does it go to the Mayor.
Mr. Santos said it had to have Council vote and this Committee would
recommend approval to Council. He asked Mr. Pagliarini if that was
correct.
Mr. Pagliarini said that any initiative from Committee would have to
be Council vote. He said he thought what Mr. Rambo asking was could it
be done unilaterally under the emergency powers afforded the Mayor. He
said that was one way it could be done.
Mr. Rambo said that in speaking with the Mayor he thought he was
waiting for this Committee Meeting as there had been talk among the
Mayor’s and the county as far as when to start opening some parks. He
said his understanding was he waiting for this Committee to see what the
plan would be, or recommendations would be. He said he did not know if
it would take a full Council vote. He said if the Mayor agreed with this
plan and signed off on it, then great. He said if he did not, then Council
could meet.
Mr. Santos said he was trying to give all Council Members an
opportunity to have their say. He said they were all elected, and would all
hear from the citizens.
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Mr. Gergick said he wanted clarification on the discussion had today
on shared equipment. He asked for guidance on how shared equipment
would work. He said it did not seem to be any leeway on shared
equipment. He would interpret that to mean that a soccer ball, football,
baseball, or frisbee would not be able to be used and batting cages may
not be able to be used if shared equipment was not authorized.
Mr. Santos said that was overreaching and would leave it up Council
and to him. He said tennis was an example.
Ms. Whitley said that the advice given to them by Legal under the
Governor’s order there was a strict definition of what constitutes shared
equipment and they must abide by that. She would like that to be
included.
Mr. Rambo said he understood tennis, and most are probably playing
with their friends. He would not say that the use of a soccer ball by a
parent and child would constituent shared equipment or throwing a frisbee
by people who rode in the same car together. He said otherwise no one
can do anything and no point in opening.
Mr. Santos said they still had the track, conditioning, and things one
can do on the field. He agreed they would lose a lot of things that they
could do.
Mr. Rambo asked Mr. Pagliarini if using a soccer ball with your child
was considered shared equipment.
Mr. Pagliarini said the Governor’s order does not go into that level of
detail. He said that legally from a commonsense standpoint, if Council
wishes to take that course of action, he could not say there was such a
strict legal interpretation because it is not that specific. He said he would
defer to Council’s judgement on that issue as well as Mr. Gergick’s and
law enforcement’s ability to control that as those are important parts of it.
Mr. Rambo made a motion to recommend to Council approval of the
Mount Pleasant Recreation Department (MPRD) Reopening Plan without
opening facilities for tennis and pickleball, unless it was otherwise
adopted by the Mayor. Ms. Whitley seconded the motion. All were in
favor.
Mr. Rambo said they were of the opinion that summer sports are going
to be open and asked about registration.
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5. Program report
Mr. Gergick said they still planned to go ahead with summer sports
that start at the end of May or beginning of June. He said they do not
know if it was going to happen or not. They are still taking registrations
and would be able to move the starts of those sports seasons to June 29
if the needed to. They are also taking registrations for summer camps.
He said they had been doing refunds for Spring sports and other
programs. Mr. Gergick said the Essential Goods Market was happening
that afternoon and worked very well last week. He said the Blessing of
the Fleet had been postponed to June 28.
6. Adjourn
There being no further business, the video conference adjourned at 2:48
p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Karen Bedenbaugh, 4/21/20
Agenda
SPECIAL MEETING
RECREATION COMMITTEE
Tuesday, April 21, 2020
2:00 p.m.
Video-Conference Meeting
Live Streaming Link:
https://youtu.be/Zah27nRuk1w
AGENDA
1. Call to order
2. Roll call
3. Public comments
Please use one of the following methods to provide comments.
Comments must be received by 10:00 a.m. Tuesday, April 21, 2020.
A. E-mail comments to execoffice@townofmountpleasant.com
B. Leave a voice message at 843-856-7847
4. Discussion and possible action with regard to the reopening of
Town parks
5. Program report
6. Adjourn
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