Historic District Preservation Commission (HDPC)
Regular MeetingMount Pleasant, SC · May 14, 2018
Minutes
OLD VILLAGE HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION
MEETING NOTICE
May 14, 2018 at 5:00pm
Town Hall Committee Meeting Room
3rd Floor, Room 3300
100 Ann Edwards Lane, Mount Pleasant, SC 29464
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MINUTES
PRESENT: Scott Hirshorn, Chair; Heather Wilson, Vice Chair;
Leigh Rowe and Louisa Montgomery and Ann Dovre
STAFF PRESENT: Eric Pohlman, Senior Planner; Joe Juan; Plan
Reviewer
Mr. Hirshorn called the meeting to order at 5:00 p.m. and reviewed the
procedures with the public.
I. Approval of Agenda
Ms. Montgomery moved for approval; seconded by Ms. Wilson. All present
voted in favor.
II. Approval of Minutes
Ms. Wilson moved for approval of the April 9, 2018 minutes; seconded by Ms.
Rowe. All present voted in favor.
III. Public Comment & General Correspondence
Mr. Pohlman stated that there is no general correspondence.
IV. Consent Motions
Ms. Rowe moved to approve by consent Items #1, 221 Queen Street; #3, 311
Venning Street; #6, 204 Venning Street; #7, 242 Middle Street; #8, 817 Pitt
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Street; #9, 141 Toomer Lane, #11, 116 Beach Street; and #12, 204 Live Oak
Drive; seconded by Ms. Wilson. All present voted in favor.
V. Business
STAFF REPORT
1. 221 Queen Street – Survey 6097 – (TMS 532-05-00-029) Final Review for
Installation of Hot Tub, fencing, and generator enclosure.
[CONSENT MOTION]
2. 405 Royall Avenue – (TMS 532-05-00-059) Conceptual Review for Tennis
Court Renovations.
Mr. Pohlman reviewed staff comments with the Commission.
Warren Pruitt, Landscape Architect with ADC Engineering, representing
the Town of Mount Pleasant Recreation Department. He stated that the
Town has asked them to renovate the existing tennis courts at Royal
Avenue at Edwards Park. He said the pavement at the courts are in failure
and are becoming unsafe. He said that a Geotech engineer was hired to
review them and they advised that the courts need to be rebuilt. He said in
doing so, they were looking to replace all the fencing, the lighting and the
parking areas, bringing them all into current compliance standards. He said
the lighting will be a low-level LED lighting, which will be on a timer and use
switch, so if they are not being used, they will not be on. He said if they are
being used, they automatically shut off at 10:00 pm. He said the fencing
will be black vinyl chain link fence. He said the current fencing is galvanized
and has rusted over time. He said these courts are likely over 50 years old.
He said the existing courts have three courts; however, due to the 40%
permeability limit, they had to reduce the courts down to two. He said they
have looked at different options, but there are no other options as three
courts will exceed the 40% maximum. He said they are proposing two full
size tennis courts. He said the three tennis courts were substandard for that
size. He said the two full size tennis courts will be 60 x 120, and in the
middle, they will put in a cabana to keep water cool and to sit down and
take a break. He said the parking lot is not compliant as there are no
handicap spaces or access and they are proposing to remove the parking,
using the same curb cut that is there and making it compliant with current
codes. He said the parking lot would be done with permeable pavers to stay
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below the 40% maximum. He said the concrete plaza at the entranceway is
the only impermeable surface other than the courts themselves. He
provided illustrations of the tennis court colors as well as the permeable
paver patterns for the parking area. He also provided illustrations for two
styles of cabanas. He said the court lighting is an LED fixture. He said there
is a path that runs through from Queen Street to Ferry Street and they are
looking to do this path with plantation mix and installing path bollards
along the way, with the bollards only turning on when they sense people
are walking along the path. He said the existing bicycle rack will be reused,
as well as the existing water fountain and trash receptacle. He said they are
proposing to install a new wood bench at the entrance, similar to the bench
at Memorial Waterfront Park, except black in color.
Mike Tinkey, 208 Venning Street, stated that he is here representing a
number of people that attended the Recreation Committee meeting to
discuss this item. He specifically asked the Town if this needed to go before
the OVHDC, because he was advised that it needed to. He said they were
told that it did not. He found out at the last minute that it did need to go
before this commission and said had they known, there would have been a
room full of residents. He said they all know the courts need to be redone
and have been there since the 1960’s. He said the real issue is three courts
versus two. He said the overwhelming opinion is because the OVHDC does
have purview of variances and has granted variances on the lots next to the
courts for drainage purposes specifically, that the OVHDC grant a variance
in order to have three courts, versus two. He said as a former tennis
professional, the job that is being done by ADC is outstanding, as well as
the design. It is true that the design is for two regulation courts. He said if
you are a skilled player on the existing courts, you hit into the nets because
they are not regulation, because the courts are too narrow. He said the
issue is that these are courts that the village children enjoy playing on and
learning on and have done so since the 1960’s. He does not believe it is
meant for tournament play and there are tennis instructions held there. He
said that the residents would like to see three courts. He said there are
significantly more families in the village than there were in the 1960’s and
there are limited recreation opportunities. He said there should be a
variance granted for three courts.
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Mr. Pohlman stated that for clarification, the Commission may grant a
variance for setbacks; however, not for the impervious surface ratio.
Mr. Hirshorn stated that the Commission echoes the comments regarding
the great design by ADC with the cabanas, benches and LED lighting. He
understands that there is a space limitation and stated that there is a
momentum of residents that would like to see three courts because it is a
capacity issue. He said the Commission should explore a way, whether with
a variance or otherwise to accommodate three courts. He said he is not
sure there is enough space or if nets could be placed in between the courts.
He said he would encourage the public to attend when final review is heard
and would encourage Mr. Pruitt to explore the option of three courts. He
said the Commission would strongly support a variance in writing or in
person at a Zoning meeting and if possible to accommodate three courts,
he would encourage it due to demand.
Mr. Pruitt stated that they have looked at different options and putting
three courts on this area without breaking the 40% impervious is
impossible.
Mr. Hirshorn reiterated that the Commission would support a variance.
Ms. Wilson asked what the number would be with three courts.
Mr. Pruitt stated that it is approximately 56% impervious.
Ms. Rowe asked if a variance was requested.
Mr. Pruitt said they have not, because the Town of Mount Pleasant has
elected not to go that route.
Ms. Rowe stated that she has been stopped by residents in her
neighborhood asking to have the three courts. She sees children playing on
the courts every single day.
Mr. Hirshorn stated that it appears that Mr. Pruitt has expertise in
designing courts with nets in between them.
Mr. Pruitt stated that he can design three courts but is simply the
impervious ratio.
Mr. Hirshorn stated that the Commission will write a letter of support and
if necessary, attend a zoning meeting.
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Ms. Wilson stated that although technically not historic, it is the duty of the
Commission to protect the fabric of the community as it is today, and three
courts is a part of that fabric since 1960, which is a long time. She stated
that she has been inundated with emails, telephone calls and residents
stopping her on the street to say this is worth noting.
Mr. Pohlman stated that two emails were received in support; one from
Charles Claus and the other from Colleen Griffith.
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Mr. Hirshorn asked Mr. Pruitt to keep him apprised as to any support
he may be able to provide.
Mr. Pohlman asked if there were any comments on the cabana styles
or the usage of vinyl chain link fencing.
Ms. Wilson stated that she would prefer the built cabana, as opposed
to the fabric awning. She applauds the new lighting scheme as well.
Mr. Pruitt asked if the black vinyl chain link fence is acceptable.
Commission members responded in the affirmative.
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3. 311 Venning Street – Survey 6187 – (TMS 532-01-00-264) Conceptual
Review for Accessory Dwelling Unit.
[CONSENT MOTION]
4. 315 Bennett Street – Survey 6130– (TMS 532-01-00-024) Final Review for
Alterations to Fencing and Installation of Parking pad.
Mr. Austin Rutherford reviewed staff comments with the Commission.
David Shuford, homeowner stated that he is not sure who was involved in
the Phase 1 of the landscape project; however, they originally put the fence
in the backyard and were not sure if grass would grow in the side yard. He
said before they fenced it in, they were treating it as a side yard. He said
the grass is doing well there, so they will have more room for the children
and the dog. He said along the front they also did not know originally what
parking would be required. He said they moved into the house in January
and now realize they need more than anticipated. He said the back is too
tight for their SUV’s. He said it was suggested by the landscape architect to
run the parking area along the road; however, they are open to any
comments or recommendations by the Commission.
Mr. Hirshorn stated that his experience is that many homes in the Old
Village have the street-side gravel parking spaces. He understands the
need; however, the material that works best is the plantation mix. He said
it is loose material, but when wet, it bonds and does not run into the street.
He said the proposed river pebble is not recommended.
Ms. Montgomery agreed with Mr. Hirshorn’s comments.
Ms. Rowe stated that the plantation mix is more subtle looking, as well. She
said that Mr. Shuford has done a wonderful job with the property and she
does not have any issue, as long as it is not the bigger pebbles.
Ms. Wilson stated that she would actually like to see the parking area
reduced. She said it is a huge run of gravel and she is personally not in favor
of plantation mix. She said she would like to see the material bordered and
contained in some way. She stated that this is a massive run of gravel in a
high visibility historic street. She stated that she is not agreeable with a
large parking area, without it being broken out with some thought in the
landscaping and how to buffer it. She said it is going to be so easy that there
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will be vehicles in front of their house all the time. She is agreeable with
the fence, but not the parking strip.
Mr. Hirshorn asked if Ms. Wilson would recommend a brick border or a
reduction of the surface area or both.
Ms. Wilson said both. She said she would prefer that it not be located on
Bennett. She said the homeowner has accomplished a significant amount
of work on the front of the home to restore. She said she lives across the
street from a neighbor who did the same thing and the whole block parks
in front of their home, because it is not landscaped. She said you end up
with a parking lot in front of your home. She said at the very least, she
would like to see it bordered and defined as a single space with landscaping
breaking it up.
Mr. Shuford stated that it was the recommendation from the architect;
however, he is in favor of what the Commission recommends, as well as
the type of mix used. He said as far as the border on the house side, it would
be the steel border.
Ms. Dovre stated that she has seen the house and it is beautiful. She
personally would like pavers as opposed to pebble.
Mr. Hirshorn stated that it appears that the consensus is to contain the
material to one area with a plantation mix rather than the river stone with
some type of confining border.
Ms. Rowe asked if Mr. Shuford has looked into the grass that you are able
to park on.
Mr. Shuford stated that he has not. He said there was mention of an
installation you are able to park on, where grass is able to grow.
Ms. Wilson made a motion to approve the fence and defer the parking for
the project at 315 Bennett Street; seconded by Ms. Rowe. All present voted
in favor.
Mr. Hirshorn asked Mr. Shuford to come back next month with another
alternative for parking.
5. 908 Pitt Street – Survey 5969– (TMS 532-13-00-058) Final Review for
Exterior Siding Change.
Mr. Austin Rutherford reviewed staff comments with the Commission.
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No one was available for the project.
Ms. Wilson moved to deny the application for 908 Pitt Street on the grounds
the cementitious trim is not appropriate nor is the thinner siding material;
seconded by Ms. Dovre. All present voted in favor.
6. 204 Venning Street – Survey 6179– (TMS 532-01-00-078) Final Review for
Fencing and After-the-Fact Alterations.
[CONSENT MOTION]
7. 242 Middle Street—Survey 6010– (TMS 532-09-00-024) Conceptual Review
for Exterior Alterations.
[CONSENT MOTION]
8. 817 Pitt Street – Survey 5899– (TMS 532-09-00-050) Final Review for
Exterior Alterations.
[CONSENT MOTION]
9. 141 Toomer Lane – (TMS 517-15-00-064) Final Review for Exterior Stairs.
[CONSENT MOTION]
10. 118 Pitt Street – HISTORIC 5939 – (TMS 532-01-00-250) Final Review for
Alterations to Stairs and Windows.
Mr. Pohlman reviewed staff comments with the Commission.
Phil Clarke, Clarke Design Group, stated that this house was originally an
1800’s house, between 1850 and 1890. He said there may have been a fire
at one time in the 1890’s. He said the existing house was only the center
portion with the porches on the side and the wing on the left side was
actually one story. He said the second story wing on the left-hand side and
the porch roof on the left side was added in 2005. He said there was a
version of the side porch on the left side, which is not the main entry prior
to 2005. In 2005, the second floor was added and the pieces on the rear
were added. He said currently no one uses the front entry on the right-hand
side. He said the left entry, which is more of a private entry becomes very
public. He said they would like to take away the stack parking, pull the
impervious coverage back towards the street, take away the set of stairs
that comes down towards the street on the side entry. He said they will be
able to take the fence that is there now and move it up closer to the street
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so that you are able to come out the side door and go into the yard and not
spill out onto the street. He said this would allow them to focus all of the
public traffic onto the right-hand side. He said from a floor plan elevation
issue, in 2005/2006 when the rear section was added (the two-story
addition and the partial one-story addition). He said there is a window on
the very rear of the house, not seen from the street, that they would like
to remove. He said they are redoing the kitchen in the back portion of the
house, so the single window will become a double window and the window
to the left of it with the side stair, will become a door to exit the rear portion
of the house into the yard. He said the window on the rear elevation will
be removed and replaced with the same wood siding.
Ms. Wilson said that she has an issue with the rear. She said she is guessing
the neighbor would be able to see the rear elevation and asked if the
homeowner would be willing to shutter the rear window and close it from
the inside and leave the casing. She said it is too large of a blank wall and
believes it is visible from the rear neighbor and backside. She said other
than this she is fine.
Ms. Dovre stated that she likes the plan because of the house and lot size.
Ms. Montgomery asked when the piazzas were put back on.
Mr. Clarke stated that he is unsure and has worked on this house for the
past twenty years and of all the different pieces he has seen, he is not
certain. He stated that Mr. Coleman may have some old photographs.
Ms. Montgomery stated that she remembers when they were not there.
She said homeowners used to do that when porches became rotten, they
would simply take them off.
Mr. Coleman stated that in 1989, there was a single front porch.
Ms. Wilson made a motion to approve the application for 119 Pitt Street,
with the condition that the casing is retained on the removed window and
infilled with a shutter; seconded by Ms. Rowe. All present voted in favor.
11. 116 Beach Street – (TMS 5147-15-00-140) Final Review for After-the-Fact
Alterations to Pool.
[CONSENT MOTION]
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12. 204 Live Oak Drive – HISTORIC 6234 – (TMS 517-15-00-029) Final Review
for Accessory Dwelling Unit.
[CONSENT MOTION]
V. Staff Approvals
1. 9 Pierates Cruz – Survey 6068– (TMS 532-09-00-014) Reroofing
2. 817 Pitt Street – Survey 5899– (TMS 532-09-00-050) Reroofing, Siding,
and Window alterations. Non-historic.
VI. Motion to Adjourn
Ms. Wilson moved to adjourn; seconded by Ms. Dovre. All present voted in favor.
There being no further business, meeting was adjourned at 5:44 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Barbara Ashe
May 14, 2018
Agenda
RESOURCE LINKS
OVHDC Guidelines
OVHD Overlay District Zoning Ordinance
Map of Historic District and Properties
2010 Survey Cards (no photos)
OLD VILLAGE HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION
MEETING NOTICE
May 14, 2018 at 5:00pm
Town Hall Committee Meeting Room
3rd Floor, Room 3300
100 Ann Edwards Lane, Mount Pleasant, SC 29464
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NOTE: Items in blue are hyperlinks (some file sizes are large and may take a minute to load).
I. Approval of Agenda
II. Approval of Minutes
April 9, 2018
III. Public Comment & General Correspondence
IV. Consent Motions
V. Business
STAFF REPORT
1. 221 Queen Street – Survey 6097 – (TMS 532-05-00-029) Final Review for
Installation of Hot Tub, fencing, and generator enclosure.
2. 405 Royall Avenue – (TMS 532-05-00-059) Conceptual Review for Tennis
Court Renovations.
3. 311 Venning Street – Survey 6187 – (TMS 532-01-00-264) Conceptual
Review for Accessory Dwelling Unit.
4. 315 Bennett Street – Survey 6130– (TMS 532-01-00-024) Final Review for
Alterations to Fencing and Installation of Parking pad.
5. 908 Pitt Street – Survey 5969– (TMS 532-13-00-058) Final Review for
Exterior Siding Change.
6. 204 Venning Street – Survey 6179– (TMS 532-01-00-078) Final Review for
Fencing and After-the-Fact Alterations.
7. 242 Middle Street—Survey 6010– (TMS 532-09-00-024) Conceptual Review
for Exterior Alterations.
8. 817 Pitt Street – Survey 5899– (TMS 532-09-00-050) Final Review for
Exterior Alterations.
9. 141 Toomer Lane – (TMS 517-15-00-064) Final Review for Exterior Stairs.
10. 118 Pitt Street – HISTORIC 5939 – (TMS 532-01-00-250) Final Review for
Alterations to Stairs and Windows.
11. 116 Beach Street – (TMS 5147-15-00-140) Final Review for After-the-Fact
Alterations to Pool.
12. 204 Live Oak Drive – HISTORIC 6234 – (TMS 517-15-00-029) Final Review
for Accessory Dwelling Unit.
V. Staff Approvals
1. 9 Pierates Cruz – Survey 6068– (TMS 532-09-00-014) Reroofing
2. 817 Pitt Street – Survey 5899– (TMS 532-09-00-050) Reroofing, Siding,
and Window alterations.
VI. Motion to Adjourn
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