Historical Commission

HISTORICAL COMMISSION MEETING August 10, 2017 8:00 a.m. Town Hall 100 Ann Edwards Lane Committee Room, 3rd Floor ****************** MINUTES Members Present: Rick Gutowski, Chairman; Patrick Morrissey, Vice Chairman; Robert Macdonald, and Josh Kelley Excused Absence: Heidi Schless, Ken Shortridge and Trey Harrell Staff Present: Chris Luly, Planner and Kate Gallotta, Intern Also Present: Mary Julia Royall, Town Historian Mr. Gutowski called the meeting to order at 8:02 a.m. I. Approval of Minutes Mr. Gutowski stated that the July minutes were not available; therefore, they will be considered for approval at the September meeting. II. Public Comment [None] III. Members of the African American Settlement Community Historic Commission, Inc. Thomasena Stokes-Marshall, 481 Lilly and Rebecca Lane in the Snowden Community, stated that she is representing the African American Settlement Community Historical Commission, Inc. (AASCHC). She stated that this group was formed in January, 2016 and the overall purpose and goal of the organization is to address many issues that have been occurring throughout the Town of Mount Pleasant and surrounding areas regarding the African American Settlement Communities. She stated that when driving around the Town, it is  Historical Commission August 10, 2017 Page 2 of 18 evident by the scope of development, that this has created a significant negative impact on the African American Settlement Communities. She added that many of these communities are starting to disappear. She said that recognizing these were growing issues in the Town and surrounding areas that needed to be addressed, they decided to form an organization as a 501c3. She stated that their purpose is to collectively work with other African American communities to address these issues. She stated that development has caused many developers to come into some of the African American communities and build homes that are valued from $300,000 to $500,000 and the tax consequences of those developments are impacting residents who have lived in the African American communities for generations. She stated that many of the properties within these communities are heirs’ properties and it creates division within the families and also presents the issue of taxes on those families who are not able to afford to pay them. She said many of the residents are from medium, low and fixed incomes and when they are unable to pay the taxes due to developers building half million dollar homes in their neighborhood, they end up losing their property and become displaced. She stated with the cost of property and housing in the Town, they cannot afford to stay in the Town. She stated that even the going rates for apartments are beyond their scope. She stated that the Town of Mount Pleasant and Charleston County are both in the process of updating their Comprehensive Plans and recognize that it is very important that Charleston County and the Town of Mount Pleasant work closely together during this process. She stated that their goal is to attempt to get them to develop zoning laws that will serve to protect these communities where the zoning classification and overlay districts will protect these communities. Rodly Millet, 1296 Wisteria Wall Drive, stated that this organization formed after witnessing the impact of growth in Mount Pleasant on the African American Settlement Communities. He said that although there is a comprehensive plan and Sweetgrass Basket Overlay District and language that discusses the preservation of the settlement communities and culture, it does not appear that the Town is enforcing it. He said  Historical Commission August 10, 2017 Page 3 of 18 that there are rezoning requests being approved and the face of the community changing, how the zoning and land use is changing and it does have a negative impact. He said that they believe that the history of the African American Settlement Communities is part of the history of Mount Pleasant and should be preserved. He stated that he has distributed to Commission members a letter from their organization and believes that their organization and the Historical Commission, which promotes the history and culture of the Town, have a mutual interest. He stated that they are exploring ways for the Historical Commission and the African American Settlement Community Historical Commission to work together to achieve their goals. He stated that they are requesting a meeting between their representatives to discuss how they may collaborate and look forward to hearing from the Historical Commission soon. He stated that Mr. Macdonald did meet with him individually and also attended their last board meeting. He stated that Mr. Macdonald now has an idea of what they are attempting to achieve. He added that he believes there is a connection and if the two Commissions are able to get together for discussions, they may find opportunities to collaborate. Mr. Gutowski asked Mr. Millet if he was a member of the Planning Commission. Mr. Millet responded in the affirmative and stated that this was part of the recognition of the impact. He has been a member for 18 months and sees requests come in that deeply impact the African American Settlement Communities and they get approved. He said that this changes the face of the Town and added that we begin to lose some of these communities. He stated that this has been happening over time and is an indicator to him that the residents do not value the history of the Town. Mr. Gutowski stated that he forwarded Ms. Mary Julia Royall’s email to Mr. Millet and Ms. Stokes-Marshall, which focuses on some of these communities, as well.  Historical Commission August 10, 2017 Page 4 of 18 Pat Sullivan, 1002 Plantation Court, said to expand on what Mr. Millet is saying, she also attends many of the Planning Commission and all the Committees of Council and Town Council meetings. She stated that the protection for the African American communities is treated as a suggestion. She said that she continues to see developers coming in and requesting zoning changes. She stated that most recently a developer made a request to build just outside of Oyster Point in a rural African American settlement dating back before the 1900’s. She stated that the developer wanted to take land in the middle of the rural African American community and turn it into The Farm at Oyster Point. She stated that fortunately, Town Council denied this development. She stated that there are many references in the comprehensive plan. She stated that the Town needs to protect the African American communities and the rural areas. She said that developers are going all the way to Twelve Mile and outside the urban growth boundary and want to put new development in. She stated that when this Commission was first forming, they found out that Charleston County was updating their Historical African American Community Plan/Archives She stated that their Commission met with them and with the COG (Council of Governments), as well as Mount Pleasant Waterworks, Historic Charleston Foundation National Trust, Coastal Conservation League, and they all want to help. She stated that what she would like to do is relate the similarities between what Charleston County is doing and what the Town of Mount Pleasant is doing. She stated that Charleston County is doing an excellent job of updating their zoning in order to protect the African American Communities. She stated that the Town needs to find a way to make zoning changes so they do not affect these communities. Mr. Macdonald stated that he attended the meeting of the African American Settlement Community. He stated that there is an advantage to those who recently moved to Mount Pleasant as they recognize the unique cultural assets of the area and the value of this. He stated that who we are as a community is who we were. He stated that change is inevitable, but in that change, it is necessary for communities to retain a  Historical Commission August 10, 2017 Page 5 of 18 sense of themselves and what really makes them different; a sense of place. He stated that those who reside in Mount Pleasant have seen, in particular over the past few years, a dramatic change physically, in this area. He said that what is also happening is a major cultural change, not only in Mount Pleasant, but the Lowcountry in general. He stated that it is incumbent upon those who understand the role of place and history in their lives, to do what we can to ensure that those assets are protected. He said that recently the Historical Commission wrote to the Mayor of the Town of Mount Pleasant, and requested a moratorium on zoning changes that affect these communities. He stated that there has been no response from the Mayor. He stated that there has been a slow and steady encroachment on these communities by zoning changes and it will have a disastrous impact on the community. He stated that attending the meetings and also being involved with the Gullah Geechee Historical Corridor Commission, it is incumbent upon us all to do whatever possible to guide the elected and appointed officials in helping to protect the community for current and future generations. He stated that acting together to help educate the elected and appointed officials, as it is their core responsibility to protect Mount Pleasant and its communities, both incorporated and unincorporated that make this Town unique. He stated that he looks forward to the possibility of not just talking, but taking action in concert with the African American Settlement Communities Historical Commission that will help guide the elected and appointed officials to help protect the community now and for future generations. He stated that once these cultural assets are lost, they are not renewable; therefore, it is incumbent upon these groups to protect them. He stated that as a side note, we all have cultural blinders and on the Town’s website, there is a lack of information on the significant role African Americans have played in the history of not only Mount Pleasant, but the State of South Carolina and the South in general. He said that when he hears people talk about southern heritage, they only talk about one side of that heritage and said there is a whole different side. He said that as a historian, he recognizes that what we teach our children and what we  Historical Commission August 10, 2017 Page 6 of 18 provide to the public via the Town’s website, impacts and helps people understand the Town’s history and who they are. He stated that it is incumbent upon the Historical Commission to ensure that the presentation of the history of Mount Pleasant, via the website and other ways, is balanced and covers the total history, whether good or not so pleasant aspects. He stated that the Town has rich cultural traditions in this area. He looks forward to working as the liaison with the African American Settlement Communities Historical Commission and hopes the Historical Commission is able to act in concert in significant ways. Mr. Morrissey stated that he is in concert with the conservation goals from a historical perspective, but also from the environment and culture of the Town. He said that frequently when we are involved with these discussions, we talk about aspirational goals and miss the specifics. He stated that if we really want to get this done that the issue is not getting people to say that they want to protect culture, but instead, be specific about height restrictions, square footage restrictions, density restrictions. He stated that we need to focus on the specifics that make it less compelling for a developer to think that this is a target area to go into. He said that the difficult thing is dealing with property owner rights. He stated that some property owners may look at that property as an investment as they retire, and attempt to get the most for their property. He asked if they had a plan moving forward, as an organization, indicating the specifics they want. Ms. Sullivan stated that their organization has been meeting with the County and their Planning Department and stated that the study she mentioned earlier that was done by New South Associates. She stated that they discovered that the most distinguishing thing about the African American Communities was their land pattern; how their properties were designed. She stated that each one of the developments such as Sol Legare, Maryville, Asheville, Scanlonville, Phillips and Snowden, to name a few, have lots that physically distinguishes one from the other. She stated that this is what they want  Historical Commission August 10, 2017 Page 7 of 18 to preserve, but also makes it challenging. She stated it isn’t height, square footage or setbacks. She stated that with the Old Village Historic District, it is about the size of the lot, the house, square footage; however, it is not the same in the African American communities. Mr. Morrissey stated that if there have been studies that identify a specific cultural pattern per neighborhood, this would be the wedge in to get that land protected and you put a zoning requirement in that states, “this is the study, this is the cultural finding, this is the pattern that exists in this location”, and any other type of development is prohibited. Ms. Sullivan stated that development happens all the time. She stated that in Snowden there is a 20 acre parcel of forest and a national housing firm wants to purchase the property, which is owned by the AME church, and put in three units per acre, plus, charge $500,000 per home. She stated that the County and the Town zoned those areas three units per acre. She said that there needs to be another way to legally protect them. Mr. Morrissey stated that whatever the historical survey that was mentioned earlier, where there is some historical uniqueness to each development, put that into the language for the zoning. The issue of what is opposing conservation is the economic value that the developer sees. He stated that you need to know what you want to protect and also acknowledging what the developer is trying to do and blocking that from happening. He proposes using zoning, height, or square footage to make it less appealing to those who wish to destroy what the Commission wants to protect. Mr. Millet stated that Mr. Morrissey is correct and they recognize this as being an issue. He stated that it is by land use and zoning. He stated that the work they are doing with the County for those areas that are not annexed into the Town, began last year. He stated that most recently at both their Planning Commission meeting and their Historic Committee meeting they presented ideas and suggestions to them for consideration. He stated that the consultant the County is working with  Historical Commission August 10, 2017 Page 8 of 18 has been doing research on how to identify those communities as historic districts, which is one step. He said also looking at zoning and land use, the current layout of the land, and the possibility of either the Planning Commission or Historic Committee or a separate committee that will have an opportunity to review applications that come in. He stated that they are not telling developers that they cannot build, but instead what they build must look similar to what is there and how the land is being used. He stated that this information must be on the books and enforced. He stated that they are taking a slower approach to this; first identifying the stakeholders, not only from the political, but the communities. He stated that they are starting the process to first recognize that there is an issue and then have the discussion on what to do. He stated that some of the things that Mr. Morrissey is mentioning is what they are attempting to accomplish. He stated that enforcement is the key. He stated that there is a Sweetgrass Basket Overlay District ordinance and yet it is not being enforced. He stated that requests are being approved for rezoning and in some cases, approving requests to be removed from the overlay district. He stated that the decision makers need to be reached to help them understand that the decisions they are making are having negative impacts on these communities. He said that one day we will wake up and they will all be gone and we would have lost an important part of the Town’s culture. Ms. Stokes-Marshall stated that she would like to make a few more comments. She stated that we all recognize that everyone has property rights and the African American Settlement Communities Historical Commission is not looking to deny anyone of their rights. She said that when they look at property from a developer’s point of view, it is the overall economic value that they are looking for. She stated that ten to twelve years ago, there were two professors from the College of Charleston who did a study on all of the African American Communities here from the foot of the bridge up to the Philip Community. She said most recently, the National Park Service had Charleston County conduct a survey of the African American Settlement Communities within the tri-county area. She stated that in reference to the land within the  Historical Commission August 10, 2017 Page 9 of 18 African American communities, the zoning requirements, density and other elements mentioned by Mr. Morrissey have been identified. She stated that their commission is very much aware of this and also recognize as they move forward, those studies need to be reviewed and the history of the communities and work with the elected officials. She stated that as she meets with different organizations, many of the people are oblivious and do not understand how the process works or the history; therefore, there is no interest to protect and preserve. She stated that this is why they are here seeking the opportunity to have a collaborative effort with this Commission and Town Council. She stated that they have been working on this since they formed in 2016. She stated that Charleston County has been extremely supportive of their efforts and cannot say the same about the Town of Mount Pleasant. She added that when they began these efforts, they drafted a letter that went to Charleston County Chair and all of County Council, The Council of Governments (COG), the Town of Mount Pleasant Mayor and Town Council, as well as Mount Pleasant Waterworks. She stated that the greatest response came from Charleston County and they are seeking that same type of response from the Town, because in order for this to happen, it must be a collaborative effort. She stated that at this point, everyone has not yet come together to work collectively on this issue. Mr. Macdonald stated that he believes we all have a challenge and how do we address this challenge in an effective way. Mr. Macdonald stated that in responding to the letter from the African American Settlement Communities Historical Commission, he would like to make a motion that the Historical Commission appoint Mr. Patrick Morrissey and himself to meet with the African American Settlement Communities Historical Commission and explore ways that they are able to collaborate and come back to the Historical Commission with recommendations of how the Historical Commission can, in collaboration with the AASCHC how they can work together to get a common goal achieved; seconded by Mr. Morrissey.  Historical Commission August 10, 2017 Page 10 of 18 Mr. Morrissey stated that he agrees and believes that this falls directly under Town Ordinance 156.442, given the Historical Commission’s duties and powers to preserve and protect the history of the Town. Mr. Kelley asked if they have put together a list of potential areas of African American Settlement Communities and has the AASCHC reached out to these landowners. He stated that these properties must be owned by someone. He said that these property owners need to be advised of what is going on. Mr. Millet stated that they have started this process and their first meeting happened in the summer of 2016 with the Snowden, Scanlonville, Phillips, Greenhill, Cainhoy/Huger communities, and they presented this idea to them. He added that their board is made up of individuals from these various communities. He stated that the idea was birthed in Mount Pleasant and their board members are residents of Mount Pleasant. He stated that they understand as an organization that they do not speak for those individual communities; however, they are engaged to help them find their voices and provide guidance. He stated that the Coastal Community Foundation has agreed to take on their organization and will be their financial steward until they have their 501c3 and want to introduce them to other organizations and believe this is a wonderful idea. He stated that they have been reaching out to a number of organizations. He stated that when they spoke at the Charleston County Council meetings, they have had representatives from Communities in Charleston and North Charleston who want to connect with them as well. He stated that one of the things they are achieving is reaching out to those communities. He stated that things are proceeding much quicker than they anticipated and they are trying to continue to respond to all the calls and emails. He stated that if they are successful in Mount Pleasant, they can take this model and apply it elsewhere. He said that throughout Charleston County, things are occurring that are impacting those communities.  Historical Commission August 10, 2017 Page 11 of 18 Mr. Kelley stated that when small groups form, as they grow larger, their voices grow louder. He said when you are loud, developers hear this and may go in the opposite direction. Mr. Millet stated that they want to have a good relationship with developers as well. He added that development is not bad, but needs to be managed correctly. He stated that their group is not anti- development, but it is important for them to reach out to these communities and understand the history of their community. He stated that they have historical data showing the changes that have occurred over time. He said that they want to be able to educate the communities and raise funding in order to hire experts in land use, zoning and advice, and conduct training in those communities. He stated that the tax issue is another area. He said when communities begin to change, they have the impact of higher taxes. He stated that they are also doing research on what is available for those communities in reference to keeping the taxes lower. He stated that there are a number of other aspects to this. All present voted in favor. Mr. Gutowski stated that he looks forward to working with the African American Settlement Communities Historical Commission and feels that this is an important step. He stated that the Historical Commission will be participating in the Comprehensive Plan as a participant, but not as a voting committee member. IV. Staff Update Mr. Luly stated that he asked Lynette Lynes, Executive Office Manager in the Planning Department to attend and provide her comments on contracts. He said that he hoped Mr. Walter Brown would be present, as he provided a contract from Claflin University for Black History Month, that he requested the Town to sign. He stated that the Town does not engage in signing contracts. Ms. Lynes stated that there have been questions in reference to contracts for the upcoming Black History Month. She stated that they  Historical Commission August 10, 2017 Page 12 of 18 had to wait until the new fiscal year and will be working to process the purchase orders. She stated that within the purchase orders is an agreement. She stated that as a Town, outside agreements are not typically signed, as this is accomplished in-house and the agreement is then sent out to the vendor. Mr. Luly stated that what has been done in the past for Black History Month, is he takes the contract and incorporates it into the agreement. Ms. Lynes stated that the agreement or purchase order is then emailed out and once they reply that they agree with the purchase order, the Town then processes the purchase order for payment. She said that the information is taken from the vendor’s contract to ensure it corresponds and is included on the purchase order. Mr. Luly stated that in reference to the Town’s website, changes have been made with the history site. He stated that initially the History site was not prominent, however, it has been brought up to the home page and mimics what was in the previous Town site. He stated that there are still broken links and he has a list and will be working on this. He wanted the Commission to know that their concerns have been heard and sent to the appropriate individuals in charge of the website. Mr. Gutowski stated that he went to the website to pull up the historic marker page and had a difficult time and was not able to find the Cooper River Bridge, which is not on the map and not listed on the website. He stated that there needs to be correlation. He stated that there is nothing on the website that says anything about the Cooper River Bridges. He stated that the map is what is being handed out at meet and greets and these maps are not what is on the website. Mr. Macdonald stated that it is not just the technical aspects of the website, but the content is lacking in much information about the African American history of Mount Pleasant. He is hopeful that with their work with the African American Settlement group, as well as reaching out to the College of Charleston Historic Preservation program and discussions with Dr. Bernie Powers to identify resources that can  Historical Commission August 10, 2017 Page 13 of 18 help develop more information on the African American history of Mount Pleasant. He stated that he hopes in addition to the technical improvement of the website that the content will be upgraded as well. Mr. Luly said that content is fairly easy to add. Mr. Morrissey stated that one of the core duties of the Town Ordinance is for the Historical Commission to maintain “the map” and his understanding has always been that the map is the historic marker map and the copy Commission members are provided should be the same copy that is on the Historical App as well as the Town website. Mr. Luly stated that he will review it and make any corrections. Mr. Gutowski asked why on the markers themselves, why there is an asterisk. Mr. Morrissey stated that some markers are the Town’s and some are State markers. Ms. Lynes stated that as far as the content on the pages, if they would like that to be discussed in future meetings, those pages can be made available for Commission members to look at and make the changes per page. She stated that this is easily done. Mr. Gutowski stated that this would fall under the Communications Committee. Mr. Luly stated that one Cresco award nomination has been received. Mr. Gutowski stated that the medallion can now be ordered. Mr. Luly stated that he met with Ms. Wolfe-Miller who will be working on press releases for the Cresco Award. He stated that he has also reached out to Town Administration regarding accepting property for the Archive Room and have not received a response. He stated that he will follow up. Mr. Morrissey stated that he also reached out to the Town’s legal department in reference to receiving property for the Archive Room.  Historical Commission August 10, 2017 Page 14 of 18 Mr. Luly stated that Commission members should have a handout. He stated that Ms. Gallotta and Mr. Robertson met with the Library Society regarding the protection of the old minute books. He said they were provided with three options with prices. Ms. Gallotta stated that they were focusing on ensuring that the books would be protected in any situation. She stated that they would not only be covered, but put into a clamshell box. She stated that the binding is the biggest issue. Ms. Gallotta stated that $300 was allocated at last month’s Commission meeting for binding. She stated that the Library Society is unable to do all the bind this year; however, they are able to bind two in this fiscal year. Mr. Morrissey stated he would move that everyone review this information and suggested that the binding begin from the oldest to the newest, at least have one completed per year, and as the budget progresses, proceed to the next book; seconded by Mr. Macdonald. Mr. Macdonald asked if this is prioritized, as to which items are in the worst condition. He suggested that the work be done according to the condition of the pieces. Ms. Gallotta agreed and also believe some of the books are falling apart at a more rapid rate. Mr. Macdonald asked Ms. Gallotta to speak with the individual who will be doing the binding and request that they prioritize by condition. Mr. Morrissey requested that the library let the Commission know which two items are in most need of repair and those will be considered in the budget this fiscal year. All present voted in favor. Mr. Luly stated that he typically meets with Ms. Farrell once a month prior to the Commission meeting; however, she has been promoted to Assistant Town Administrator. He stated that he was unable to meet with her last week.  Historical Commission August 10, 2017 Page 15 of 18 Ms. Gallotta stated that all the minutes from 1900 to present are available online now. She stated that she believes the Town is the only municipality to have these available. Mr. Luly stated that this was a big undertaking and very appreciative to Ms. Gallotta for all her work. He stated that she has also worked very diligently on the oral history transcriptions. He said that many of the audio files were secured and Ms. Gallotta has done some Mr. Gutowski asked if this was Ms. Gallotta’s last meeting. Ms. Gallotta responded in the affirmative. Mr. Macdonald made a motion to draft a letter from the Chairman of the Historical Commission officially thanking Ms. Gallotta for her work this summer and wishing her well in her future endeavors; seconded by Mr. Morrissey. All present voted in favor. V. Committee Reports ARCHIVES Mr. Morrissey stated that in reference to the Abby Monroe papers, Mr. Luly received the invoice from the Caroliniana. He asked what the status was for this invoice. Ms. Lynes stated that it is currently being processed. Mr. Morrissey stated that once the Caroliniana Library receives payment, they will digitize the Abby Monroe papers and will provide the Commission with an e-file copy, but the true value will be that the Abby Monroe papers, which concerns being the principal and head mistress of Laing from the 1860’s until the early 1900’s, as well as the leader of the Mount Pleasant Orphanage, will all be online. Mr. Morrissey stated that in reference to the naming of the substation for Edmund Jenkins, he has a letter in draft form. He added that he reached out to Ms. Deborah Jenkins-Lewis and she confirmed that the only picture she has is the one that the Town has, which is of poor quality. He stated that he will submit the letter to the Commission, to receive feedback on what he is proposing. He said that per her prior  Historical Commission August 10, 2017 Page 16 of 18 request and per the Police Department’s concurrence, that the substation be named for Edmund Jenkins, not that there be a brass plaque, but to have some type of signage to be determined, with what is consistent with the Town. He said that he would also like to recommend commissioning some form of art, either a painting, drawing or sculpture at the substation, or for consideration, at the new Town Hall. He said he would request that the Town consider commissioning something of Mr. Jenkins, other than another plaque. He said that this can be discussed once Commission members have an opportunity to read his letter. Mr. Morrissey said that in reference to the History Room / Archive Room / Special Collection, in reviewing the Town Ordinances, the duty of the Historical Commission is to establish and maintain a special collection for the Town that documents its history. He suggested that in the future for the name of the room no longer be referred to as the Archive Room and refer to the ordinance language of it being the Special Collection Room. He stated that he has set up a meeting with the Legal Department to see if they already have a process that the Commission may adapt; however, his inclination is that since the ordinance provides the ability for the Commission to establish, catalogue, and maintain the special collection, that the minutia of that, forms that the Town uses for loaning or receiving property as long as they are consistent with other purchasing authority of the Town, be addressed in the bylaws rather than through Town Ordinance. He said that once he determines what the Legal Department prefers, he will put it all in writing. Ms. Lynes stated that in reference to making changes to those forms, it will be much easier if it is in the bylaws. If it is attached to an ordinance, it will require Town Council approval. COMMUNICATIONS Mr. Kelley stated that looking forward to Black History Month coming up in February, he stated that he reached out to the Moultrie News for additional coverage and spoke to the editor. He said that she reassured  Historical Commission August 10, 2017 Page 17 of 18 him that she would extend her assistance in any way possible. He said that she has agreed to provide as much coverage as needed on the electronic version of the Moultrie News. She stated that she will also provide coverage in the newspaper. He added that he spoke to her about having coverage more than once and possibly having an article every week to keep the public’s interest. Ms. Witte suggested that as a group, to pick one of the events and the Moultrie News will write an article on it. He stated that a few months ago, he emailed Commission members with a form asking members to fill it out if there were any issues or discrepancies with the website. He said this will alleviate Mr. Luly getting a number of emails and instead will only receive one. CRESCO AWARD Mr. Macdonald stated that he is happy that more nominations are coming in for the Cresco award. VI. General Discussion – Items of Interest Mr. Gutowski mentioned that Ms. Royall brought up a list of individuals that served in WWII. She said there were approximately 144 from the Town of Mount Pleasant. She said that she is unaware where this marker was put. She has been here since 1949 and is not aware of location of this marker. Mr. Gutowski stated that the Commission needs to figure out how to find this marker. He said that he does not know how to proceed, but does not want to lose sight of it. Mr. Macdonald asked if this was a physical monument / memorial. Mr. Gutowski stated that it was mentioned in the last celebration of the Town’s history. Mr. Morrissey stated that looking at the program, it mentions an unveiling of an honor roll tablet. He stated that the program was rather extensive with Admirals, Boy Scout troops and various other attending. He said that the program lists everyone who was involved and may be able to find out where this is located.  Historical Commission August 10, 2017 Page 18 of 18 Mr. Luly stated that he will ask around the Town to see if anyone is aware of this. Ms. Royall stated that at that time, the Darby Building was the Town Hall. She stated that she believes Ms. McKeever would have written the history that is contained in it, as well as all the pictures. VII. Adjourn Mr. Macdonald moved to adjourn; seconded by Mr. Morrissey. All present voted in favor. There being no further business, meeting adjourned at 9:11 a.m. Respectfully submitted, Barbara Ashe August 10, 2017