City Council Finance Committee Meeting
Regular MeetingNorman, OK · May 18, 2023
Minutes
CITY OF NORMAN, OK
CITY COUNCIL FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETING
Municipal Building, Executive Conference Room, 201 West Gray, Norman,
OK 73069
Thursday, May 18, 2023 at 4:00 PM
MINUTES
The City Council Finance Committee of the City of Norman, Cleveland County, State of Oklahoma, met
at 4:00 pm in the Municipal Building Executive Conference Room on the 18th day of May, 2023, and notice
of agenda of the meeting were posted in the Municipal Building at 201 West Gray, 24 hours prior to the
beginning of the meeting.
ROLL
PRESENT
Mayor Larry Heikkila
ABSENT
Councilmember Ward 3 Kelly Lynn
Councilmember Ward 6 Elizabeth Foreman
OTHERS
Councilmember Ward 2 Lauren Schueler
Councilmember Ward 4 Hellen Grant
Councilmember Ward 7 Stephen Holman
Darrel Pyle, City Manager
Anthony Francisco, Director of Finance
Kathryn Walker, City Attorney
Kim Coffman, Budget Manager
Jacob Huckabaa, Budget Technician
Dannielle Risenhoover, Administrative Tech. IV
Shawn O'Leary, Director of Public Works
Joseph Hill, Streets Supervisor
Scott Sturtz, City Engineer
Jason Olsen, Director of Parks and Recreation
Chris Mattingly, Director of Utilities
CALL TO ORDER
Mayor Heikkila called the meeting to order at approximately 4:00 PM.
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AGENDA ITEMS
1. DISCUSSION REGARDING THE FYE 2024 CITY OF NORMAN BUDGET.
Anthony Francisco gave the report. He stated that the City Manager’s budget has been
presented to Norman City Council in a series of study sessions. Some proposed budget
amendments have been brought forward by staff and individual Councilmembers. These
amendments were discussed and the Committee determined if they wanted to forward these
amendments on for full Council review. The following amendments were discussed:
A. There is an amendment to appropriate interest payments for General Obligation Bonds,
2023A and 2023B. These bonds will be paid through property taxes. The Committee did not
show any concerns regarding this amendment.
B. The estimated revenue from the Room Tax rate increase is now projected to increase
revenue an additional $1,275,000. These funds would be allocated as follows: $51,000 increase
for Administrative Fees, $306,000 increase for Arts & Humanities and $918,000 increase for the
Visitor’s Bureau. The Committee did not show any concerns regarding this amendment.
C. Amendment number three is to appropriate an additional $50,000 for Water and
Wastewater Treatment Plant solar administrative fees due to an increase in electricity fees that
weren’t anticipated. The Committee did not show any concerns regarding this amendment.
D. Amendment number four is to appropriate funds for the Reed Avenue curb & gutter
project. This project is scoped to cost $25,000. This cost would cover the design of
improvements along the west side of Reed Ave. between Main St. and Eufaula St. and include
the evaluation of surface drainage, roadway width, and feasibility of a modified curb section.
Councilmember Grant prefers that the funds come from the General Fund and not the 144 th
Avenue NE project as previously suggested.
E. There is an amendment to approve the additional $4,000 funding request from The
Depot. This would allocate $11,800 to The Depot for Fiscal Year End 2024 (FYE24) instead of
$7800 which was initially proposed. The Committee did not show any concerns about this
amendment.
F. There is an amendment to approve a $10,000 new funding request from Norman Music
Festival. More information has been requested by the Committee regarding the financial needs
of Norman Music Festival. The Committee would like to allocate funds to the Festival for fiscal
year 23 once their funding need has been determined.
G. Amendment number seven is to appropriate $300,000 for an Americans with Disabilities
Act (ADA) Compliance project. Per Councilmember Grant’s request and upon agreement of
other members, these funds will come from the General Fund in FYE24 and the goal being that
these funds come out of the Capital Fund in the future.
H. The Downtown Parking Meter Program has been eliminated, which will reduce the capital
budget by $35,890. The Committee did not show any concerns regarding this amendment.
I. There is an amendment to increase utility budgets in the Public Transportation Fund for
the new Transit Center by $12,640. This line item increases allocations to telephone, wireless
data, electricity, natural gas, water, sewer, trash and other utility accounts in the Public
Transportation Fund. The Committee did not show any concerns about this amendment.
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J. The Public Safety Sales Tax (PSST) Fire Apparatus allocation of $2,100,000 has been
the topic of significant Council discussion. There is a high enough fund balance in the Public
Safety Sales Tax Fund to pay for the requested ladder truck in FYE 2024. Darrel Pyle stated,
“With the good sales tax revenue, the (PSST) fund has not required a subsidy from the General
Fund, so the (PSST) fund balance kind of accumulated.”
Mayor Heikkila stated, “We would be better off moving Fire Station Five from its present location
to Clear Bay, or wherever we’re going to move it. Using that amount of money to do that would
get us substantially along the way to getting that project finished; that was a promise. I know we
need good fire equipment, but we have one ladder truck that doesn’t seem to be manned all the
way, if I’m understanding all the management. I know it’s an important thing, but so are the living
conditions for those guys that are out at ‘Five’s’. It’s deplorable. It’s not a bad allocation. There’s
nothing morally ignorant about doing it, it’s just that I would rather put it towards (Station) Five.”
Heikkila supported his reasoning by stating that the Station Five officer does not have an office
work space; all genders share the same sleeping space; sanitation conditions, as well as water
quality, is poor; and the station floods.
According to Director of Parks and Recreation, Jason Olsen, the City has received a cost
estimate of $6.5 – $7 million to build the new fire station that is up for consideration. This
estimate does not include the purchase of any land. City Manager Darrel Pyle brought
awareness to the possibility of a turnpike being built through Norman and the questions it poses
for the location of a new fire station. Anthony Francisco, Director of Finance said, “When we
were first discussing the General Fund surplus, we mentioned considering a large project like
this. Since you have $14 million (General Fund surplus), you might want to knock off that critical
capital need in its entirety and then the PSST Fund would be in the position to not have any
more critical capital needs to address.” The other option could be to use the General Fund
surplus to pay off the original PSST debt issuance early.
City Manager Darrel Pyle said, “Saving on interest payments is always a plus. It’s just more
money to put back into the program. If that were to happen during this upcoming fiscal year and
it saves some interest income, you get that RFP to determine where you’re going to build,
(determine) whether or not a land acquisition is required to put it (fire station) where the study
says we probably need to put it.”
Anthony Francisco confirmed that once the bond debt is paid off and all of the critical capital
projects are completed, the Public Safety Sales Tax revenue moves into the General Fund.
Francisco stated that after the debt service payments are made in FYE24, there will be
$6,885,000 in principal left to be paid.
Councilmember Holman asked if other funding options to build the new fire station had been
explored and raised questions about the rural fire district legislation that was passed. Francisco
stated that he believed the legislation requires rural property owners to petition for a fire station
to serve their area and that it operates much like an assessment district. Darrel Pyle stated that
the City has not seen any rules of engagement for a federal infrastructure package that would
allow federal funding for a fire station.
Pyle stated, “We know we’ve got a ladder truck that Council is very much interested in, we know
we’ve got Fire Station Five, voter approved – we’re interested in that, if we look at existing PSST
Fund balance, existing General Fund surplus, if you’ll let us work on that for a couple of days
and put together a couple of alternatives that you may consider as the path forward, that may
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allow you to accomplish the need in the time frame that meets up with when you’ll get the data
back on your RFP. We know the build time on the ladder truck is a year plus.”
Mayor Heikkila responded by saying, “In taking from the General Fund – I’m afraid about the
water tax vote, our rate increase vote on water. If we have to bail out (replace dilapidating water
infrastructure), we have to have money to do that. There are no promises coming down the
pipe.”
Pyle responded by saying, “We know that the ability to control the pennies left in the checkbook
in the Water Fund go directly to how quickly Chris (Director of Utilities) tackles capital projects.
In the event there was a catastrophic line failure and Chris’s checkbook is empty, we would say,
‘That’s a water line that we have to fix.’ Could the Water Fund pay the General Fund back?
Yes. That could be set up as a loan from the General Fund to the Water Fund in the event of
an emergency. It would be at portfolio interest rates, so it’d be a great interest rate.”
It was noted by Councilmember Holman and Anthony Francisco that the PSST Fund apparatus
replacement program committed to a budgeted amount for vehicles, not a number of vehicles.
There is approximately $1 million left in the PSST Fund apparatus allocation. Holman stated,
“The Chief definitely seems to believe that this vehicle is needed, so I do want to find a way to
get it; but, I also agree with the Mayor too about Fire Station Five.”
Pyle stated, “The advantage, unfortunately, is a long build time on the apparatus and recognizing
that you’re not going to build a fire station in one fiscal year. I think we can put together a couple
of Gantt charts with what we think the draw schedule would be. When do we need to pay and
how much for the truck? When do we need to pay and how much for construction? We may be
able to span this solution over a couple of fiscal years and really put PSST in a good place and
the General Fund in a good place, being able to accomplish both tasks. So it’s not one massive
punch to the budget; it’ll be littler bites over a couple of fiscal years. We’ll bring this back to you
to show you what it would look like.”
K. The constructing of additional sidewalks in Ward 7 and a sidewalk from the corner of
Rock Creek Road & Flood to Stubbeman have been requested for FYE24. While the City uses
a ranking system to prioritize sidewalk installations and repairs, several more requests have
been prioritized higher. The City’s ranking system is based on street classification (arterial street
vs. local street), if the sidewalk would be on a transit route, is the location near a school, condition
of the current sidewalk and if a sidewalk is absent, if the sidewalk is or is not ADA compliant,
age of the request to fix/update/install the sidewalk, number of requests to fix/update/install
sidewalk. There was Committee consensus to move forward with the additional allocations for
the following sidewalk installations out of the General Fund:
● George Ave. from Lindsey Street to Madison Elementary East Side for $119,435
● College Ave. from Lindsey Street to Hoover Street for $56,220
● US 77/Classen Blvd. from Highway 9 to ¼ North West Side for $20,980
There was also Committee consensus to allocate a “to be determined” lump sum of money to
the Association of Central Oklahoma Governments (ACOG), Federal Grant Program. This
program will pay 80% of the costs associated with sidewalk installation while the City would be
responsible for the remaining 20% of charges.
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Shawn O’Leary, Director of Public Works stated, “I think a million dollar grant application is likely,
easily; so, a couple hundred thousand ($200,000) in City contributions for now.”
There was Committee consensus that $200,000 from the General Fund be allocated for the
Federal Grant Sidewalk Program and that approximately $20,000 from the General Fund will be
allocated for sidewalk construction from Rock Creek Road & Flood to Stubbeman to fill-in the
existing sidewalk gap.
L. It has been proposed that there be a re-appropriation of $789,000 back into the Norman
Forward Griffin Park remodel budget. These funds are a reduced appropriation item from FYE23
due to previous cash flow problems in the Norman Forward Fund. This amendment puts the
appropriation back into the Norman Forward, Griffin Park budget for FYE24. The Committee did
not show any concerns regarding this amendment.
M. It has been proposed that there be a $533,041 reduction of estimated revenue in the
Water Reclamation Fund, FYE24 budget due to the sewer replacement charge being eliminated.
Per Francisco, “This gets the estimated revenue closer to reality.” The Committee did not show
any concerns regarding this amendment.
N. It has been proposed that the City allocate $75,000/year for 5 years to a mural program.
There is a possibility that the Norman Arts Council may match the City’s contribution to this
program. The Committee agreed to allocate $75,000/year for two years to this program.
The City of Norman FYE24 budget will be considered for full adoption in June.
Items submitted for the record: Fiscal Year 2024 Budget Report
2. DISCUSSION REGARDING MONTHLY REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE REPORTS.
Anthony Francisco gave the update. He stated, “The revenue from this month was flat, but
again, flat is good.” The City is about six months out from seeing the school bond approval
money being spent. “During FYE 2024 some of those dollars will begin to make their way out to
the local economy,” Darrel Pyle.
Items submitted for the record: Fiscal Year 2024 Monthly Revenue and Expenditure Reports
ADJOURNMENT
Mayor Heikkila adjourned the meeting at 5:38 PM.
ATTEST:
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City Clerk Mayor
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