City Council Oversight Committee Meeting
Regular MeetingNorman, OK · August 17, 2017
Minutes
CITY COUNCIL OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE MINUTES
August 17, 2017
The City Council Oversight Committee of the City of Norman, Cleveland County, State of Oklahoma,
met at 8:30 a.m.in the City Council Executive Conference Room on the 17th day of August, 2017, and
notice and agenda of the meeting were posted in the Municipal Building at 201 West Gray 48 hours prior
to the beginning of the meeting.
PRESENT: Councilmembers Holman and Castleberry, and
Chairman Allison
ABSENT: Councilmember Karjala
OTHER STAFF PRESENT: Mayor Miller
Ms. Amber Armstrong, Plans Examiner II
Mr. Jeff Bryant, City Attorney
Mr. Bob Christian, Permit Manager
Ms. Susan Connors, Planning and Community
Development Director
Mr. Terry Floyd, Development Coordinator
Mr. Travis King, Fire Chief
Ms. Regina Oliphant, Administrative Tech III
Mr. Kelvin Winter, Code Compliance Supervisor
Item 1, being:
CONTINUED DISCUSSION REGARDING UPDATES TO CITY OF NORMAN BUILDING, FIRE
PREVENTION AND PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODES AND CLARIFICATION OF CERTAIN
PERMIT FEES.
Ms. Susan Connors, Planning and Community Development Director, said on May 30, 2017, the Planning
Department Staff met with the City Council Oversight Committee to discuss the adoption of the 2015
Building, Fire Prevention and Property Maintenance Codes and presented the changes that are required
based on the new State-adopted Building Codes. She said the Council primarily wanted to know what
changes were being made, and the Planning Department Staff added Attachments 1, 2, and 3 to address
those questions. She said Attachment 1 and 2 lists the items staff is proposing as more stringent and less
stringent; requesting to delete the less stringent items due to the State not allowing municipalities to be
less restrictive than the State code. She said Attachment 3 lists miscellaneous code items that came up
during the previous Oversight Committee discussion and they wanted to point those items out; noting
those items are being changed as well.
Councilmember Castleberry asked for the justification for being more stringent than State code. Mr. Bob
Christian, Permit Manager, said the base response is “Norman is a quality community”, and continued on,
with permission from Councilmember Castleberry, by addressing each item separately as follows:
International Building Code (IBC)
Worksite Safety
Mr. Christian said builders and contractors must provide a “safe means” and placed emphasis on “safe.”
He said often times while on jobsites, contractors have requested our inspectors perform inspections by
using unsafe measures, e.g., field built ladders, old rickety ladders, etc. He said this requirement simply
gives a more firm basis for inspectors to express that they need to adhere to safety standards as prescribed
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by the City so not to put the inspectors in jeopardy or create financial liability for the City. Staff recently
attended a meeting where the State Department of Labor’s OSHA Inspection process has taken new
initiatives to focus on work site and institutional safety as well.
Insulation Inspection
Mr. Christian said the insulation inspection is a historic inspection with the City of Norman used to verify
compliance with the Energy Code. He said Norman is one of the first cities in the state to have an
adopted Energy Code; continuing to lead cities in energy inspections. He said the insulation inspection is
one of the inspections included in the Energy Code, but modification of the code was needed to include
this inspection process. Councilmember Castleberry asked if this is because the City has an Energy Code
and other cities do not, therefore there is no uniform requirement from the State, and Mr. Christian said
yes.
Chairman Allison said there has been an Energy Code since 2015. Mr. Christian said there has been an
Energy Code progressively through the years but this is the first year the State has “adopted by reference”
by the International Building Code. He said there has been opposition through the years from various
communities throughout the state to the Energy Code, but due to some of the federal standards and
programs that are evolving, there is more emphasis on the Energy Code. He said the residential code has
a specific chapter that deals with the energy code, and it has been modified to be consistent with what the
City does currently. He said other communities are coming to Norman to seek direction on how to
enforce the Energy Code and one way is through the insulation inspection.
Chairman Allison asked if the Energy Code is enforced here at the City, and Mr. Christian said yes.
Chairman Allison said he has learned over the last few weeks there are many communities who do not
enforce the Energy Code, and it’s significantly more expensive to build in Norman because of Energy
Code enforcement. Mr. Christian said that is an interesting statement because a lot of the builders want to
build to Energy Star regulations and the City does not inspect to that level. Energy Star is a bit above the
level of the City’s inspections. He said it is interesting because Staff has had reverse comments made,
e.g., builders or contractors expressing their gratitude for taking care of the process because they did not
realize they needed a certain inspection. He said it levels the playing field for them because as people
have to insulate their homes, customers expect energy efficiency; therefore, taking a step in the right
direction to make sure everyone is doing it correctly.
Chairman Allison said, referring to commercial construction, he has heard comments about Norman
requiring insulation of the parapet wall even though it is above the building line with nothing to insulate
in the area; allowing no breaks in the insulation. Mr. Christian said, as so often is the case, this is a
misunderstanding. He said there has to be continuity of the insulation envelope, and commonly thought
of as the thermal envelope of the building. He said the parapet is not required to be insulated, but if there
is a wall cavity that extends above a drop in ceiling that goes up and ties into the roof insulation, then yes,
they would require the insulation to continue up to the top plate to tie in nicely with the thermal envelope
component that lies within the roof. He said in other instances where they would insulate only to the top
of the ceiling height are when the insulation is actually placed on the ceiling tile; tying in with the thermal
envelope and therefore, the cavity above would be uninsulated.
International Plumbing Code (IPC)
Waterless Urinals
Mr. Christian said although waterless urinals are allowed by the Plumbing Code, there are many instances
where the products for sanitizing are proprietary. He said what some users found on a larger scale was
when there were changes in the company structure the proprietary product went by the wayside and
businesses could not get the appropriate products; therefore, they were forced to change out to a water
type urinal. He said in that process they found significant expense either in tearing up floors, removing
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wall finishes, or work above the ceiling requiring freeze protection in order to get the water source to the
locations. He said the City made the decision several years ago when this first came into the code to
accommodate it, but allow an exception to provide a water source during the rough stage of construction,
making the transition convenient in the future if it became necessary. He said this was a mutual
concession with a seeming good balance of an early investment vs. a larger disruption later on, and has
been in the Code for at least two cycles now. Councilmember Holman asked if the builder does not
install a water source can the City require them to do so. Mr. Christian said the City obligates them, if
they are going to use a waterless urinal to make a provision for a water source convenient at that location
should they need to change it out in the future. Councilmember Holman said he understands the reason
but doesn’t concur with making them comply. Councilmember Castleberry said it is a good idea and
agrees that one should do it, but does not agree with the City requirement to do so. He said he thinks it is
a business decision and not a government requirement.
Councilmember Holman recommends the City inform the businesses about the future possibilities and the
need for the water source. Mayor Lynne Miller asked what problems have come up that impacts the
City. Mr. Christian said Staff has not had many needs for transition, but on those occasions the builders
expressed they really would have appreciated the insight. He said this amendment is very consistent with
many other local amendments that have been adopted but if Council made the decision to do away with it,
Staff is fine with that.
Councilmember Castleberry said he prefers education over requirement. Ms. Connors asked if Council is
requesting deletion from the Code. Councilmember Castleberry said yes.
International Residential Code (IRC)
Chairman Allison asked how the requirement of every dwelling unit shall have at least one room that
shall not have less than 120 square feet of floor area relates to issues with tiny houses. Mr. Christian
said there are other minimum room dimensions that are prescribed by the Code. This particular one has
been prescribed historically, and still prescribed by the Property Maintenance Code (PMC); however, it
was left out of the International Residential Code (IRC). He said they felt because the other standards are
still in place and because the PMC continued the requirement, it would be prudent to make sure our IRC,
primarily for new construction and an addition to existing construction, be consistent. He said there are
HUD standards that are similar; therefore, was thought best to leave in place so they have consistency
across the board. He said with regard to the tiny homes, he understands there is some work going on
through International Code Council to try to address the tiny home concept, but has not seen the specifics.
He said there are some national interests looking at that and trying to figure out how it might best be
integrated into the Building Code. He said most jurisdictions are presently treating those in the mobile
home category. Ms. Connors said the tiny house issue is a larger discussion and Council can adopt this
and amend it later. She said most tiny homes do not meet this requirement and does not think a correction
of the issue can be made with this one change
Mr. Terry Floyd, Development Coordinator, said he has visited with ACOG about this and the whole
issue of tiny homes has been a topic of discussion across the board, with all municipalities in the state,
and a common discussion across the United States. He said Tulsa has projects they are trying to do,
Oklahoma City as well, and this is an effort, because of the Building Code. Chairman Allison asked if
Council should move on and wait until the national council makes a decision on how they are going to
address the tiny homes. Ms. Susan Connors said she recommends Council look at tiny homes separately
as there are many different issues to address.
Mayor Miller said she recommends leaving this in the Code for regular homes and said it appears that
from the articles she has read, macro homes have been done in PUD developments with special
guidelines, and asked if a development like this overrides the Building Code. Ms. Connors said it would
not necessarily override the building codes unless they went into great detail in the PUD that would allow
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changes in actual Building Code requirements and would have to be included. She said they could do it
that way or include a special section in the Building Code addressing tiny home requirements.
National Electrical Code (NEC)
Aluminum Conductors
Councilmember Castleberry asked why the use of aluminum conductors is prohibited. Mr. Christian said
this item deals with aluminum wire inside of structures. He said it is allowed on the outside, and is used
extensively by the utilities in outdoor distribution and underground distribution; however, internally it is
much less forgiving than copper conductors in its installation and requires maintenance and observation.
He said although the conductor material has improved substantially throughout the years, it still has an
ability to creep. He said what that means is that over time it will loosen. He said mobile home fires
resulted years ago leading HUD standards to change and to say one cannot use aluminum conductors
inside the home anymore. He said he can only speak for two jurisdictions in the metro area which also
limit but they are the major jurisdictions in the metro area.
Attachment 3 – International Plumbing Code (IPC)
Drinking Fountains
Councilmember Castleberry appreciated allowing business owners to substitute drinking water, in lieu of
a drinking fountain with an occupant load less than 50. Mr. Christian said this is largely the work of
Amber Armstrong, Plans Examiner. She was the premiere player in developing our current Code format,
helps with streamlining ordinances, and she sits as a Commissioner on the Oklahoma Uniform Building
Code Commission.
Permit Fees
Chairman Allison asked if the missed inspection fee is something unique to Norman. Mr. Christian said
yes, they often have a number of instances where missing inspections occur. He said the fee when
applied would give them a return on the administrative costs and also creates a reminder the inspections
are required as the word spreads throughout the contractor community. He said it is a minimal fee but
could have the potential for a dramatic impact. Chairman Allison said it appears people are okay with the
fee as long as it is not abused.
Safe Means of Entry and Missed Inspection Fee
Chairman Allison said in regard to safe means of entry, he approves but if abuse is observed then it could
be a topic needing Council review in the future. He said instances gaining his attention are those of a
missed inspection fee accrued from a late inspection yet the fee applied was for a missed inspection.
Councilmember Castleberry said there needs to be discretion used when applying an additional fee
especially when there is reasonable cause, e.g., hospital admittance; however, he voiced approval for the
fee in situations where you have someone with repeated no show.
Mayor Miller said it is a good idea, but it puts a burden on the Council to make sure the City is being
thoughtful of those individuals being inspected. She said the key is communication and encouraged the
inspectors to exercise communication with those individuals, which will improve the image of the City as
well. Chairman Allison asked if there is a time limit on the inspection process, or do you have to cancel
an appointment by a certain time. Mr. Christian said no and that is part of the problem. Councilmember
Castleberry said he approves as long as it is reasonably applied.
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Gravel Parking Areas
Chairman Allison asked if there was any other discussion regarding the gravel parking areas other than
previously discussed. Ms. Connors said Staff hopefully has made the changes in such a way that the
Council is more comfortable; however, she said there has to be a visual distinction between the gravel and
the surrounding surfaces. Mayor Miller said this will be a big issue in east Norman. Ms. Connors said
this is for legal non-conforming gravel driveways and parking areas in urban Norman and does not apply
to rural Norman; however, parking on gravel is allowed in A-1, A-2, and some of RE.
Exhibit D: (10) 303.2 Enclosures
Councilmember Castleberry asked if someone has a six foot perimeter fence are they still required to have
a 48 inch interior barrier directly around the pool inside the perimeter fence. Ms. Connors and
Mr. Christian said not as long as the gates meet the requirements. Mr. Christian said the Oklahoma
Uniform Building Code Commission (OUBCC) did make a concession on this topic through the IRC
simplifying the barrier requirements and also provided some exemption for rural areas on larger lots.
Councilmember Castleberry said there are many citizens that have above ground pools and he would like
to be clear if asked. Mr. Christian said there are additional provisions for above ground pools depending
on the height.
Exhibit D: (11) 304.14 Insect Screens
Councilmember Castleberry asked if everyone has to have screens. Mr. Kelvin Winter, Code Compliance
Supervisor, said the current code they are using says that if they have air conditioning, they are not
required to have screens. He said the problem they run into is in regard to apartment complexes when
they have a temporary outage of the air conditioning the residents need to open the windows, and without
screens the flies, mosquitoes, and other insects enter the residence. He said they thought it would be
better to require screens on windows to avoid an issue in case of an emergency situation. Councilmember
Holman asked if this is just required at apartment complexes or all rental property. Mr. Winter said that if
you are a landlord and have a rent house the same thing applies. Councilmember Holman asked if it is
required of single family homes later turned into rental property. Ms. Connors said this would be only on
a complaint basis. Councilmember Castleberry asked if inspectors check for screens during the
construction process. Ms. Connors said no, inspectors do not check for screens. Councilmember Holman
said he thinks that if they are going to require screens, then it seems to be appropriate for apartments
(rental property). Chairman Allison said only on the complaint basis seems to be the easiest way to
accomplish this. Councilmember Castleberry said as long as they are not requiring screens for new
construction. Mayor Miller said she cannot imagine windows without screens, and thinks renters should
be able to rent a house with screens on the windows in case they cannot afford to run the air conditioning
system; allowing them to keep the pests out of their home. Councilmember Castleberry said the City
should not require someone to do something just because it is a good idea. Chairman Allison said it
sounds like the committee members are in consensus as long as it does not creep into new construction.
Ms. Connors asked to clarify they are going to leave this change as is for now, maintaining it as part of
the Property Maintenance Code; handling only on a complaint basis, and Council committee members
agreed.
Attachment 3 - Miscellaneous
Councilmember Holman said he wanted to understand why every retail store is required to have a water
fountain, and asked what is a dispenser connected to a potable water distribution system.
Chairman Allison asked if a refrigerator with a water dispenser would satisfy as a way to comply.
Mr. Christian said the easiest way to consider it is if it is a new construction addition or alteration then
Code obligates drinking water. He said there may be older existing buildings that do not have drinking
water but new construction would obligate it.
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Councilmember Holman said he has always heard different stories about Fire Code enforcement,
especially in older buildings, and asked if our Fire Code is more stringent than the State Code; are they
consistent with others; and/or how different. He said he has heard several complaints over the years with
the arbitrary enforcement in regard to fixing a building downtown and the whole fire suppression system
location and would like some insight on that type of enforcement. Mr. Travis King, Fire Chief, said
currently the City is under National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) 1, which some people do believe
is more stringent than IFC. He said he has heard those concerns in the past and wanted to make sure the
department is enforcing consistently across the board. He said he has not received any complaints since
he became Chief. He said they will be keeping NFPA1for everything already built to help occupants not
have to change to a new Code. The inspectors are already trained to that standard and will continue to
inspect or investigate under those protocols. He said moving forward, the City will be under the
International Fire Code (IFC) 2015 for all new construction and that brings the City into conformity with
other metro jurisdictions. He has personally reached out to the Cities of Moore, Oklahoma City, Edmond,
Tulsa, as well as, Waco and Frisco, Texas, and they all are very satisfied with IFC. He said it brings
everyone into conformity and is a much smoother application moving forward. He said they are also
transitioning from language that states where there is a conflict with IFC and NFPA, the most stringent
form applies to reflect the word “more reasonable.” Mr. King said he believes as they move forward
Staff will be able to sit down with the decision makers and find a reasonable approach to apply when a
conflict is present. Councilmember Holman asked if a building in downtown or Campus Corner built in
1920 will have to meet the 2015 Code or the NFPA1. Mr. Christian said the 2015 addition of the existing
building code is what they would use as the focal point and it would then by reference direct to IBC, IFC,
or other standards given the scope of work performed.
Chairman Allison asked if the Plans Examiner for the Fire Department is still located at the Norman
Investigation Center, and Chief King said yes. Chairman Allison said he thinks this is a pretty inefficient
model, and would like to see a future relocation of the Plans Examiner to the City Complex near the
Planning Department. He feels that would be a better location from a customer service standpoint.
Councilmember Castleberry agrees. Chairman Allison also realizes the City is out of space in the City
Complex area, but with possible changes coming in the future he thinks this can be an efficiency point
that can be made. Chief King said he agrees and if there is room in the facility, he can make that change
very quickly.
Items submitted for the record
1. Memorandum dated August 11, 2017, from Bob Christian, Permit Manager,
Fred Henderson, Fire Marshal, and Kelvin Winter, Code Compliance Supervisor
through Susan F. Connors, Director, Planning and Community Development;
Travis King, Fire Chief; Shawn O’Leary, Director, Public Works; Steve Lewis,
City Manager; and Jeff Bryant, City Attorney, to the City Council Oversight
Committee with Attachment 1, Code Amendments (more stringent than the code
requirements adopted by the state); Attachment 2, Local Amendments (less
stringent than the code requirements adopted by the state and recommended for
deletion); Attachment 3, Miscellaneous Code Items; Exhibit A, Current State
Code Summary; Exhibit B, Chapter 5 – Building Construction; Exhibit C,
Chapter 9 – Fire Prevention; and Exhibit D, Chapter 10 – Health and Safety
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ADJOURNMENT:
The meeting adjourned at 9:36 a.m.
Agenda
CITY COUNCIL OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE MEETING
MUNICIPAL BUILDING CONFERENCE ROOM
201 WEST GRAY
THURSDAY, AUGUST 17, 2017
8:30 A.M.
CONTINUED DISCUSSION REGARDING UPDATES TO CITY OF
NORMAN BUILDING, FIRE PREVENTION AND PROPERTY
MAINTENANCE CODES AND CLARIFICATION OF CERTAIN
PERMIT FEES.
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