City Council Oversight Committee Meeting
Regular MeetingNorman, OK · April 11, 2019
Minutes
CITY COUNCIL OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE MINUTES
April 11, 2019
The City Council Oversight Committee of the City of Norman, Cleveland County, State of
Oklahoma, met at 4:05 p.m.in the City Council Conference Room on the 11th day of April, 2019,
and notice and agenda of the meeting were posted in the Municipal Building at 201 West Gray
48 hours prior to the beginning of the meeting.
PRESENT: Councilmembers Holman and Chairman Clark
ABSENT: Councilmembers Carter, Castleberry, Hickman
OTHERS PRESENT: Mayor Lynne Miller
Councilmember Bierman
Ms. Mindy Aynes, Municipal Accountant I
Mr. Terry Floyd, Development Coordinator
Ms. Jane Hudson, Interim Director, Planning &
Community Development
Ms. Sara Kaplan, Retail Marketing Coordinator
Ms. Regina Oliphant, Administrative Technician
Mr. Jeff Robertson, Lieutenant, Police Department
Ms. Mary Rupp, Interim City Manager
Ms. Jeanne Snider, Assistant City Attorney
Item 1, being:
CONTINUED DISCUSSION REGARDING SHORT TERM RENTALS (COMMERICAL HOME
SHARING SUCH AS AIRBNB, HOME AWAY, AND VRBO)
Ms. Jeanne Snider, Assistant City Attorney, said during the last meeting regarding Short Term
Rentals (STRs), staff presented a draft ordinance and the discussion included licensing and Special
Use in R-1, Single Family Dwelling District. The consensus at that meeting was to move forward
with a monitoring service contract with Host Compliance. Ms. Snider said Host Compliance and
Short Term Rental Helper (STR Helper) have now merged as they were the industry’s two leading
companies offering monitoring services. Ms. Snider said the City has executed a contract and staff
participated in a kick-off conference on April 1, 2019, and launch training will take place on
April 24, 2019.
Chairman Clark asked about the background and experience of Host Compliance’s leaders and
whether they have recommendations for ordinances. Ms. Snider said information is available on
their website and she in in the process of reviewing it. She said the next time the Oversight
Committee is available to meet regarding STRs the training and review will be complete and Staff
will have much more information to share with the committee members.
Mayor Miller said she thinks it will be very helpful to have confirmation of the location of the STRs
to help guide in the creation of an ordinance.
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Item 1, continued:
The next discussion on STRs will take place at the June meeting.
Item submitted for the record
1. Memo dated April 11, 2019, from Jeanne Snider, Assistant City Attorney, to the
Council Oversight Committee
Item 2, being:
CONTINUED DISCUSSION REGARDING THE CITY OF NORMAN NOISE ORDINANCE
Ms. Jane Hudson, Interim Director of Planning and Community Development, said the Noise
Ordinance, Chapter 10 of the City Code, adopted by Ordinance O-7778-9, 1977, and has been
amended approximately ten times, adding L-1(first percentile sound level) to the noise level chart,
and other amendments varied, e.g., responsibility of enforcement to fine amounts. She said the
within the ordinance are the decibel levels; however, while the L-1 category was added the decibel
levels were never increased or decreased. She said this discussion began in September of 2016 with
the application for Special Use for Outdoor Live Entertainment for Puebla Tacos Tequileria. She
said person who want to get a Noise Variance Permit to exceed the decibel level as set forth in the
Ordinance can do so, but in the past three years of discussions the Committee has not come to a
conclusion regarding how it should be changed. She said Ms. Snider has done a lot of research on
other cities but has not found a city’s ordinance that is hugely different from what the City of
Norman has currently adopted.
Ms. Snider said what she and Ms. Hudson have concluded is that the Noise Ordinance is not
necessarily inadequate, but problems surround outdoor live music.
Councilmember Holman said he would like to add language that addresses the base noise levels. He
said the outdoor music may not be loud according to measured decibels but bass can carry for quite a
distance, penetrating through walls, doors and windows. Lt. Jeff Robertson, Norman Police
Department, said there is a difference between a decibel level and a frequency level. He said
currently the Noise Ordinance enforces decibel levels rather than frequency levels and what
Councilmember Holman referenced is frequency. He said unless the ordinance was amended to limit
frequency levels, Staff would not be able to act on a disturbance, such as the bass noise, if the decibel
level did not exceed the Noise Ordinance. He said there are municipalities that have adopted
frequency-based ordinances. Councilmember Holman supported the Committee looking at
frequency levels.
Chairman Clark said she is a little uncomfortable leaving Outdoor Live Entertainment written in as
Special Use vs. acknowledging it exists. Ms. Hudson said currently the language in the Zoning
Ordinance for Live Entertainment is very broad and Staff recommends each type be identified
separately as each has its own peculiarities. Staff is proposing definitions for Outdoor Live
Entertainment, Live Entertainment, and Indoor Live Entertainment.
Chairman Clark said she thought the concern was there would be a rash of outdoor live music if they
formally recognized it even though it already exists in our community. Councilmember Bierman was
concerned how Council would draw the line of too many if the applications came forward as Special
Use.
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Item 2; continued:
Mayor Miller said Council has already approved an outdoor music venue and if Council wants to be
consistent, Special Use is the way to go. She said since most cities do not allow outside music
venues, she did not know of any other solution except what has already been proposed by Staff.
Chairman Clark was concerned it would pit neighbors against businesses as it did with Hollywood
Corners.
Ms. Hudson said they do not have to include this under Special Use for C-3. She said Council has
approved two, Hollywood Corners and the Mixed Use at James Garner and Symmes Street. She said
the newest multi-story building that includes the Rock House neighborhood bar will be requesting
outdoor live entertainment, e.g., outdoor movie night and outdoor music; but they have the ability to
come forward under the CCPUD or the PUD and this does not necessarily make it easier or more
difficult but it would not be within the core area or closely confined establishments in the C-3 on
Main Street. She said they do not have to take that forward but would really like to have the
definitions included; additionally, if there are other items the Committee would like to add Staff
would be more than happen to do so.
Chairman Clark asked regarding the Noise Ordinance, would they still need to add levels for outdoor
or would you recommend the same apply to indoor or outdoor. Lt. Robertson said if noise is audible
outside the venue, it would have the same standard as the current ordinance has, but if she was asking
about measuring inside a building, the City does not have a standard for that.
Mr. Tom Cotrone, 3907 Sunvalley Drive, said he believes there is a standard of 83 decibels for
indoors before you have to post a sign that it may be hazardous to your health. Lt. Robertson said
there might be something in place for indoor decibel levels within health care, but not something
enforced by the police.
Chairman Clark said one of the concerns discussed at one of the Study Session meetings was that it
did not address the Noise Ordinance even though it cleaned up the Zoning Ordinance. Ms. Snider
said she listened to the entire meeting but was not clear on how to fix it and to what decibel.
Councilmember Bierman said Councilmember Holman is on to something with the frequency and
although she may not be able to hear what kind of music a party may be listening to, she can hear the
bass for certain. Lt. Robertson said there is an ordinance covering this violation; stating if the music
is audible at 50 feet from the vehicle a citation is possible. Councilmember Bierman said some
people reported they could hear music miles away from the Jazz in June events. She said she was
sure that some of the reason is atmospheric conditions allowing the sound to travel those lengths, but
frequency is something to look into.
Councilmember Bierman said another suggestion was implementing a possible notification area for a
permit. Ms. Snider said there are technical challenges with that, e.g., who gets notice, who pays for
the ownership list, etc. Councilmember Bierman said she is suggesting a just simple notification so
people in the area are aware the outdoor live music event will be happening and can plan
accordingly. She feels this should happen in residential areas.
Ms. Snider asked Lt. Robertson if there was a required time prior to submitting the application for a
permit. Lt. Robertson said the deadline is two weeks prior to the event; however, that has not been
enforced. He said if the process changes, Staff would need to enforce the two-week period to meet
the time line for notifications. Chairman Clark said Staff would need to notify special events hosts
that the time line is now firm.
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Item 2; continued:
Chairman Clark asked if Council wanted to include language that only one establishment will be
permitted with outdoor live entertainment within a certain radius. Councilmember Bierman said they
still need the Noise Variance. Ms. Hudson said if you get a PUD and you have outdoor live
entertainment, as long as you are not going over the decibel you are not required to get a Noise
Variance; however, if you go over the decibels and a complaint is received, enforcement will take
place. Chairman Clark said she would like to include language that a certain number of complaints
could result in denial of future variance requests. Lt. Robertson said it is within their discretion
whether not to approve them based on previous complaints and have done so with Hollywood
Corners.
Chairman Clark asked Ms. Hudson explain the process for rezoning to a PUD in order to add this
into their use. Ms. Hudson explained the process and costs associated are the application for re-
zoning ($400); Certified Ownership List ($200); PUD or SPUD ($510); Predevelopment Meeting
($125); and running the legal notice in the Norman Transcript. Chairman Clark said so it is an
investment and if this is the direction a business owner wants to take their business, they are going to
make it. She thinks Staff should walk applicants and/or the downtown businesses through the
process; acknowledging outdoor live music is an issue and include the Police Department in the
discussion so that everyone will know about the possible changes.
Councilmember Holman asked about existing live venues. Ms. Snider said there has been discussion
about grandfathering them in, but did not get much further than that at the last meeting and wondered
how many businesses are currently providing outdoor live music. Ms. Hudson said there are several
on Main Street, e.g., Blue Bonnet, Red Brick, and BisonWiches.
Ms. Pamela Jolly Stewart, 621 East Hughbert Street, said there was a complaint filed on St. Patrick’s
Day and asked how Staff will regulate this and how would this change or affect the process. Lt.
Robertson said complainant will be informed if they have a noise variance, but the Police
Department deals with most noise issues under the Disturbing the Peace Ordinance so even if a
business has a variance they are still subject to disturbing of the peace. If an individual wants to sign
a disturbing the peace citation against the party or establishment making the noise, Staff cannot
prevent them from doing so.
Councilmember Holman said he has received several complaints on a business at Campus Corner.
Ms. Snider said Kong’s on Campus Corner has been an ongoing issue. Councilmember Bierman said
when Kong’s moved into Midtown in Oklahoma City, there were several businesses that threatened
to relocate out of the building where Kong’s located. Councilmember Holman said there is an
apartment building next door to the Kong’s on Campus Corner and it has always been a problem for
the residents.
Chairman Clark said if she is understanding all discussions today, Council is comfortable leaving it
in the PUD/SPUD process, eliminating the C-3, and adding definitions to help the Planning
Department during the application process to specifically clarify what the applicant is agreeing to;
i.e., compliance with the Noise Ordinance. She said Staff is going to do some research on frequency
for the Committee to see if it is something Council wants to add since most concerns are bass related.
Ms. Hudson said she is not taking this forward until they obtain the research on frequency in case
they want to include that in the definition of Outdoor Live Entertainment or even Indoor Live
Entertainment as far as bass noise is concerned.
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Item 2; continued:
Item submitted for the record
1. Memo dated April 11, 2019, from Jane Hudson, Interim Director, Planning &
Community Development and Jeanne Snider, Assistant City Attorney, to the
Council Oversight Committee
2. Attachment: Noise Ordinance, Chapter 10 of the City Code
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ADJOURNMENT:
The meeting adjourned at 4:55 p.m.
Agenda
CITY COUNCIL OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE MEETING
MUNICIPAL BUILDING CONFERENCE ROOM
201 WEST GRAY
THURSDAY, APRIL 11, 2019
4:00 P.M.
1. CONTINUED DISCUSSION REGARDING SHORT TERM
RENTALS (COMMERCIAL HOME SHARING SUCH AS
AIRBNB, HOME AWAY, AND VRBO).
2. CONTINUED DISCUSSION REGARDING THE CITY OF
NORMAN NOISE ORDINANCE.
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