Floodplain Permit Committee Meeting
Regular MeetingNorman, OK · June 1, 2020
Minutes
FLOODPLAIN PERMIT COMMITTEE MEETING
201 West Gray, Building A, Conference Room D
Virtual Meeting via Video Conference
Monday, June 1, 2020
3:30 p.m.
Minutes
PRESENT: Scott Sturtz, City Engineer
Ken Danner, Subdivision Development Manager
Jane Hudson, Director of Planning and Community Development
Sherri Stansel, Citizen Member
Neil Suneson, Citizen Member
OTHERS PRESENT: Carrie Evenson, Stormwater Program Manager
Todd McLellan, Development Engineer
Amy Shepard, Staff
Bret Cabbiness, Cabbiness Engineering
Earl Gary Keen, Keen Engineering
J.W. Dansby, Dansby Engineering
Richard Walker, Turtle Creek
Donald Goags, Resident
Toby Haas, Solitaire Homes
The meeting was called to order by Scott Sturtz at 3:31 p.m.
Item No. 1, Approval of Minutes:
Five members of the committee were present, and a quorum was established. Shawn O’Leary
was absent. Mr. Sturtz called for a motion to approve the minutes from the meeting of April 6,
2020. A motion was made to approve the minutes by Neil Suneson. The motion was seconded
by Sherri Stansel. The minutes were approved 5-0.
Item No. 2, Floodplain Permit Application No. 613:
Mr. Sturtz said this application is to install and upgrade buildings necessary to operate an
agricultural grow operation on the property located at 2200 60th Ave NW and is located entirely
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in the 10 Mile Flat Creek Floodplain. Dr. Carrie Evenson gave the staff report for Floodplain
Permit Application No. 613. Dr. Evenson introduced the representative for the applicant as Earl
Gary Keen. Mr. Keen is the engineer for the project and available for any questions. Dr.
Evenson said that the property is an approx. 18 acre tract zoned agricultural with several
agricultural buildings and a residence. Mr. Keen identified 13 structures on the property during
the site inspection. Dr. Evenson said the applicant is requesting a floodplain permit for electrical
and HVAC improvements to a structure identified as a grow barn, a new 40 ft by 100 ft barn,
two shipping container structures, a chain link fence, and a variance to the ordinance
requirements for a greenhouse on the property that does not meet FEMA requirements for an
insurable building.
Dr. Evenson said the applicant’s engineer submitted cost estimates that indicate the
improvements to the electrical and HVAC improvements to the grow barn are approx. 29% of
the value of the structure and are within the ordinance requirment. Dr. Evenson said the new
greenhouse is a nonconforming structure and does not meet FEMA requirements to be subject
to substantial improvement requirements and that the applicant has agreed to remove 20 cubic
yards of soil from the floodplain to compensate for any volume displaced by the greenhouse
structure. Dr. Evenson said the 40 ft by 100 ft barn (Structure A) will be constructed on ground
that is currently higher than the Base Flood Elevation (BFE) and will not require any fill to
meet the elevation requirements. Dr. Evenson said the two shipping container buildings will be
placed on a concrete footing and will be properly anchored to resist wind and flood waters. Dr.
Evenson said the first shipping container building (Structure B) will require 262 cubic yards of
fill to meet the elevation requirement, and the second shipping container building (Structure C)
will require 290 cubic yards of fill to meet the elevation requirement. Dr. Evenson said that the
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fill needed for both structures will be obtained onsite in an area below the BFE and will serve
as compensatory storage. Dr. Evenson said the final part of the application is to add a chain link
fence around a portion of the property. Dr. Evenson said chain link fence is an approved type
of fence in the floodplain since it allows for the flow of water. Dr. Evenson reviewed plans of
the project and reviewed photographs of the property and current structures. Dr. Evenson said
elevation certificates will be required for the new barn Structure A, and both shipping container
buildings Structure B & Structure C at completion of construction to verify that the elevation
requirement has been achieved. Dr. Evenson verified the application meets all applicable
ordinances and said that staff recommends approval of Floodplain Permit Application No. 613.
Mr. Sturtz asked if Mr. Keen would like to add any additional information. Mr. Keen said that
the staff report was a great summary and that he would just like to add that he worked hard on
this applicatiom to ensure that it met all the requirements, and thanked the committee for
consideration. Mr. Sturtz asked for questions from the committee or a motion. Mr. Suneson
asked when the aerial photos were taken. Mr. Keen said that he reviewed multiple sources but
the maps used in the application included aerial photos that were about a year old. Mr. Keen
added that there was previously a metal barn showing in the photos that has since been removed
due to damage from a windstorm. Mr. Keen provided additional details about materials used
for the greenhouse construction and the use of the existing shipping container. Mr. Suneson
asked for clarification on what is being asked of the committee regarding the greenhouse that
is already built on the property. Mr. Keen said that the greenhouse was built at existing ground
level and in an abundance of caution due to the location in the floodplain he calculated the
volume of water that would be displaced by the footprint of the greenhouse and proposed
creating additional compensatory storage. Mr. Suneson clarified that compensatory storage was
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not provided when it was built because it was not permitted. Mr. Keen said he did not think the
applicant had obtained a building permit and therefore was not prompted to bring the
application to the committee sooner. Mr. Suneson clarified that the greenhouse currently has
electricity, air conditioning, heating and lights and the application is for improvements to those
services. Mr. Keen said he had researched the Federal Emergency Management Agency
(FEMA) requirements for agricultural structures and found that if a building is considered
uninsurable by the National Flood Insurance Program (NFIP) that it would be exempt from
FEMA requirements. Mr. Keen said the greenhouse is uninsurable due to the roof material and
that it can be removed. Mr. Keen said he also confirmed with a local insurance company that
the structure was uninsurable. Mr. Suneson asked the committee if there was concern about
approving a building after it was already built. Mr. Sturtz confirmed that the building was
exempt based on the FEMA requirements and the compensatory storage proposed is above and
beyond what is required. Ms. Stansel asked about the compensatory storage amount and
location. Mr. Keen confirmed that 552 cubic yards of material will be removed and used to
elevate two storage container buildings. Mr. Keen confirmed the location of the compensatory
storage. Mr. Suneson and Ms. Stansel expressed concern that when digging if groundwater level
is reached how would the applicant be sure that the full compensatory storage is achieved. Mr.
Keen confirmed that if groundwater is reached than the area would be expanded and would stay
under the 5 acre pond requirement. Ms. Stansel recommended that fill be removed from an area
that is slightly higher than the location indicated. Mr. Keen agreed that he had identified an area
that is slightly higher that they will use if groundwater is reached in removing the 552 cubic
yards. Mr. Ken Danner recommended approval of Floodplain Permit Application No. 613. Mr.
Suneson seconded the motion. Mr. Sturtz added the approval will require elevation certificates
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for Structure A, Structure B, & Structure C. The committee voted to approve the application
5-0.
Item No. 3, Floodplain Permit Application No. 614:
Mr. Sturtz said Floodplain Permit Application No. 614 is to place a new manufactured home
on the property located at 1400 Ed Noble Parkway, Lot 8, Turtle Creek Mobile Home Park, in
the Canadian River floodplain. Dr. Evenson gave the staff report for Floodplain Permit
Application No. 614. Dr. Evenson said the applicant is Turtle Creek Community, LLC
represented by Mr. Richard Walker, J.W. Dansby is the engineer for the project, Toby Haas
represents Solitare Homes, and Donald Gough represents the homeowner. Dr. Evenson said the
applicant owns an approximately 9.16 acre tract at 1400 Ed Noble Parkway, which is located
south of Lindsey Street and west of Ed Noble Parkway. Lot No. 8 on Stephanie Lane is being
rented by Mr. Jacob Gough from Turtle Creek Community, LLC. An existing manufactured
home had previously been located on Lot 8 and was removed to be replaced by a new
manufactured home owned by Mr. Gough. Dr. Evenson said the applicant desires to install a
new manufactured home with an approximate footprint of 1,360 square ft in its place. Dr.
Evenson said according to the applicant’s engineer, the foundation for the manufactured home
will be conventional block piers placed on 4 inch thick concrete pads with 18 helical tie downs
on the outside walls. Dr. Evenson said the air conditioning unit will be placed in an area outside
of the floodplain. Dr. Evenson reviewed plans and photographs of the property and confirmed
all ordinance requirments have been met. Dr. Evenson said staff recommends that Floodplain
Permit Application #614 be approved with the condition that a revised Elevation Certificate be
submitted for the manufactured home and that the air conditioning unit be placed on a pedestal
and elevated at least 2 ft above the BFE. Mr. Dansby said an elevation certificate exists for the
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property. Dr. Evenson said that there are some comments and clarifications that are needed and
the applicant would just need to review and resubmit. Mr. Dansby asked why the air
conditioning unit must be elevated above the base flood elevation if it is outside of the flood
plain. Dr. Evenson and Mr. McLellan advised him that due to the proximity to the floodplain,
it is to prevent possible damage. Mr. Dansby said the survey indicates the area is one foot above
the BFE. Mr. McLellan said even if the current area is one foot above the BFE the bottom of
the air conditioning unit must be two feet above the BFE. Mr. Sturtz asked for questions or
comments from the committee. Mr. Ken Danner recommended approval of Floodplain Permit
Application No. 614. Ms. Sherri Stansel seconded the motion. The committee voted to approve
the application 5-0.
Item No. 4, Miscellaneous Discussion:
a) Mr. Sturtz said the June 15, 2020, meeting has been cancelled due to lack of
applications.
b) Mr. Sturtz said the deadline for the July 6, 2020, meeting is coming up on June 17, 2020.
Item No. 5, Adjournment:
Mr. Sturtz called for a motion to adjourn. Ms. Stansel motioned to adjourn and was seconded
by Mr. Danner. Motion was approved 5-0. Meeting adjourned at 4:14 p.m.
Agenda
FLOODPLAIN PERMIT COMMITTEE
AGENDA
VIA VIDEO CONFERENCE
Monday, June 1, 2020
MEETING TIME: 3:30 p.m.
MEETING PLACE: This is a Virtual Meeting hosted at 201 West Gray, Building A, Conference
Room D.
Committee Members Jane Hudson, Scott Sturtz, Ken Danner, Sheri Stansel, and Neil Suneson are
all appearing via video conference.
1. Approval of Minutes from the April 6, 2020, meeting.
2. Floodplain Permit No. 613: This application is to install and upgrade buildings necessary to operate an
agricultural grow facility in the 10 Mile Flat Creek floodplain.
3. Floodplain Permit No. 614: This application is to place a manufactured home on the property located
at 1400 Ed Noble Parkway, Lot 8, Turtle Creek Mobile Home Park, in the Canadian River floodplain.
4. Miscellaneous Discussion:
a. The filing deadline for application submittals for the June 15, 2020 meeting is Wednesday, May
27, 2020. Currently, there are no pending applications.
b. The filing deadline for application submittals for the July 6, 2020 meeting is Wednesday, June 17,
2020. Currently, there are no pending applications.
5. Adjournment.
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