Historic District Commission Meeting
Regular MeetingNorman, OK · November 5, 2018
Minutes
HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION
MINUTES OF
November 5, 2018
The Historic District Commission of the City of Norman, Cleveland County, State of Oklahoma,
met for the Regular Meeting on November 5, 2018, at 6:30 p.m. Notice and Agenda of the
meeting were posted at 201 West Gray Building-A, the Norman Municipal Building and at
www.Normanok.gov twenty-four hours prior to the beginning of the meeting.
Interim Chair Cameron Brewer called the meeting to order at 6:32 p.m.
Item No. 1, being: Roll Call.
MEMBERS PRESENT: Russell Kaplan
Glen Roberson
Emily Wilkins
Greg Heiser
Michael Zorba
Rick Hall
Elizabeth Foreman
Mitch Baroff
Cameron Brewer
MEMBERS ABSENT: None
A quorum was present.
STAFF MEMBERS PRESENT: Anaïs Starr, Planner II
Roné Tromble, Admin. Tech. IV
Jeanne Snider, Assistant City Attorney
GUESTS: Donnie Stecklein, ARIA Real Estate
Teddi Clanton, ARIA Real Estate
Lee Hall
Because there are four new Commissioners at this meeting, Mr. Brewer asked each
Commissioner and Staff Member to introduce themselves.
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Item No. 2, being: Approval of the Agenda.
Motion by Russell Kaplan for approval of the agenda; Second by Glen Roberson. The motion
as approved unanimously.
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Item No. 3, being: Approval of the Minutes from the October 1, 2018 Regular Meeting.
Motion by Emily Wilkins to approval of the minutes; Second by Glen Roberson. All approve,
with Mitch Baroff abstaining.
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Item No. 4, being: HD 18-15 – Consideration of the Certificate of Appropriateness request
for the installation of wood railings and composite decking on the front porch for the
property located at 320 Castro Street.
Anais Starr presented the staff report. Donnie Stecklein, 1613 Rolling Stone, represented the
applicant; he is the Maintenance Supervisor for the real estate company that manages the
property for the owner. The property owner hired his father to do the work on the house.
Commission comments and discussion touched on several items:
Guideline 3.6.3 says replacement should match the original. The plywood that was
replaced by the composite was not original; however, we know the original was not
composite. You are allowed to replace like with like, so they could have replaced the
porch decking with plywood.
The wood that we presume would have been used in 1923 was of a higher quality and
would have been a harder wood.
The historic surveys did not indicate what the original porch flooring was.
You can still get 1x4 wood tongue and groove for the porch decking; it is harder to work
with (because the sizes are not exactly the same) and requires more maintenance.
The rail is a safety issue, but it is in character to this house.
The two houses to the west still have wood decking, and they do not have the porch
railings. If the renovations had required a building permit, they would have been
required to install railings.
Will the Commission allow composite decking in the future?
Comments specific to the deck railings:
There are other houses in the neighborhood with railings; there are also houses two and
three to the west that do not have railings.
This is a basic house and a basic rail.
If someone ever wanted to take the railing out, it would damage the historic structure.
The handrail would match the porch rail better if a couple of balusters were added.
Motion by Russell Kaplan to approve the railings as submitted; Second by Greg Heiser. The
motion passed by a roll call vote of 9-0.
Comments specific to the porch deck materials:
They can use plywood for the decking. But there are materials made out of wood for
decking that could be installed.
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We don’t know what they would have proposed if they had brought an application before
installing the composite decking.
We could find examples of what that era of house had for the porch decking.
Motion by Glen Roberson to deny the Certificate of Appropriateness on the grounds that it does
not match Guideline 3.6.3; Second by Emily Wilkins.
Comments during voting:
Russell Kaplan: On the basis that there are materials that we think are a better match, I
will vote yes.
Greg Heiser: I’m a little worried that we may be putting ourselves in a position where
the best is the enemy and we will push people into going with the plywood option. I will
vote, on that basis, no.
The motion passed by a roll call vote of 8-1.
Ms. Starr explained to the applicants that the CoA for the railings has been approved; the CoA
for the decking is denied. There are 10 days to appeal this decision through the City Clerk’s
office.
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Item No. 5, being: Staff report on active Certificates of Appropriateness since October 1,
2018 and consideration of six month extension requests.
549 S. Lahoma – The Court of Civil Appeals issued a ruling on Friday, November 2,
2018, which ruled that Norman’s ordinances are not unconstitutionally vague, and
remanded it back to the District Court. They want to give the applicant time to go to the
Board of Adjustment; our process doesn’t go to the Board of Adjustment. The applicant
could also file an appeal to the Supreme Court.
717 W. Boyd – In the process of getting bids to construct the door and carport.
710 S. Lahoma – They still have a siding issue with the contractor.
540 S. Lahoma – We don’t anticipate the applicant will do anything until next spring or
summer. He would have to apply for a building permit by next March.
321 E. Apache – They were going to do modifications of the windows and the wood
decking over the front porch. They have not started. The porch is concrete with a large
crack by the front door.
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Item No. 6, being: Staff report on projects approved by Administrative Bypass since
October 1, 2018.
231 E. Symmes – Mary Abbott House – Their rear yard fence was moved to allow for
installation of a playset.
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Item No. 7, being: Progress report of the Historic District Guidelines Update
Subcommittee.
Ms. Starr reported that no responsive proposals were received for the second RFP for
consultants; one proposal was received for $29,000. SHPO suggested that we use the remainder
of the money for a different project. SHPO is working on a means for all the CLG cities in
Oklahoma to have a mechanism in place that would allow them to modify their guidelines in a
more streamlined manner that would be more cost effective within the allotment of money
available. They hope to reveal that process in March in time for cities to make application again
in April for the 2019-2020 funds.
Cameron Brewer stated that the subcommittee would like to continue its work to review the
guidelines to at least eliminate gray or conflicting areas.
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Item No. 8, being: Discussion and consideration of amending the projects for the FY2018-
19 Certified Local Government (CLG) grant contract with State Historic Preservation
Office.
Ms. Starr explained the new proposal for expenditure of the CLG grant funds, including the
following:
C.A.M.P. training session $7,000.00
Educational mailing 225.00
Staff Attendance at National American Planning Association
Conference in San Francisco in April, 2019 1,500.00
Window Repair Demonstration Workshop 1,375.00
NAPC Membership dues 150.00
OK Preservation Conference in Chickasha 700.00
TOTAL $11,250.00
Motion by Rick Hall to recommend to City Council that they amend the CLG grant contract;
Second by Mitch Baroff. The motion was adopted unanimously.
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Item No. 9, being: Discussion and consideration of the Historic District Commission
Meeting Calendar for 2019.
Ms. Starr presented the proposed Historic District Commission meeting calendar for 2019.
There were no objections to the proposed calendar.
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Item No. 10, being: Announcements.
The Oklahoma Preservation Conference, April 24-26, 2019, being held in Chickasha has
a theme “Celebrating Women who Built History”.
Mr. Brewer thanked the new members for serving on the Commission.
Ms. Starr stressed that it is important for Commissioners to have the agenda, staff reports,
and Guidelines with them at meetings for reference. If you don’t want to print them, she
can provide you with a printed copy.
Mr. Brewer asked for an emailed PDF copy of the Guidelines.
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Item No. 11, being: Adjournment.
The meeting adjourned at 8:16 p.m.
Passed and approved this _________ day of ______________________, 2018.
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Cameron Brewer, Interim Chair
Agenda
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AGENDA
November 5, 2018
6:30 p.m.
201 W Gray – Municipal Building
Building A, Conference Rm D
1. Roll Call.
2. Approval of the Agenda.
Action Needed: Motion to approve the Agenda.
3. Approval of the Minutes from the October 1, 2018 Regular Meeting.
Action Needed: Motion to approve the Minutes.
4. HD (18-15) Consideration of the Certificate of Appropriateness request for the
installation of wood railings and composite decking on the front porch for the
property located at 320 Castro Street.
Public Hearing:
Staff Presentation
Applicant Presentation
Public Comments
Close Public Hearing
Commission Discussion
Action Needed: Motion to approve or reject the COA request as presented.
5. Staff report on active Certificates of Appropriateness since October 1, 2018 and
consideration of six month extension requests.
Action Needed: Motion to approve or reject the requests to grant six month extensions.
6. Staff report on projects approved by Administrative Bypass since October 1, 2018.
Action Needed: No action needed – for information purposes only.
7. Progress report of the Historic District Guideline Update Subcommittee.
Action Needed: No action needed – for information purposes only.
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8. Discussion and consideration of amending the projects for the FY2018-19 Certified Local
Government (CLG) grant contract with State Historic Preservation Office.
Action Needed: Motion to recommend approval of the amendment of the FY2018-2019
Certified Local Government grant contract.
9. Discussion and consideration of the Historic District Commission Meeting Calendar for
2019.
10. Announcements.
11. Adjournment.
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