Public Safety Oversight Committee
Regular MeetingNorman, OK · October 12, 2023
Minutes
CITY OF NORMAN, OK
PUBLIC SAFETY OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE
Development Center, Room B, 225 N. Webster, Norman, OK 73069
Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 4:00 PM
MINUTES
It is the policy of the City of Norman that no person or groups of persons shall on the
grounds of race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, age, place of birth, sex, sexual
orientation, gender identity or expression, familial status, marital status, including
marriage to a person of the same sex, disability, retaliation, or genetic information, be
excluded from_ parUcipation in, be denied the benefits of, or qtherwise subjected to
discrimination in employment activities or in all programs, services, or activities
administered by the City, its recipients, sub-recipients, and contractors. In the event of
any comments, complaints, modifications, accommodations, alternative formats, and
auxiliary aids and services regarding accessibility or inclusion, please contact the ADA
Technician at 405-366-5424, Relay Service: 711. To better serve you, five (5) business
days' advance notice is preferred.
ROLL CALL
PRESENT
Chairman Linda Price
Committee Member Kyle Hurley
Committee Member Lea Greenleaf
Committee Member Mark Emerson
Committee Member Russell Rice
ABSENT
Committee Member Kenny Orr
Committee Member Ann Gallagher
OTHERS
Jason Smith, NFD Asst. Chief
Kim Coffman, Budget Manager
Jacob Huckabaa, Budget Technician
Dannielle Risenhoover, Administrative Tech. IV
Bill Scanlon, Citizen
Major Chad Vincent, NPD
Carolyn Glover, Communication Officer Ill
Council member Michael Nash
Olivia McCourry, Norman Transcript
Justin Milner, NPS Asst. Superintendent
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Chair Price called the meeting to order at approximately 4:00 PM. She welcomed
everyone to the meeting.
MINUTES
1. CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL, REJECTION, AMENDMENT AND/OR
POSTPONEMENT OF MINUTES FROM SEPTMEBER 14, 2023
Member Rice motioned to approve the September 14, 2023 Public Safety Oversight
Committee minutes which was duly seconded by Member Hurley. The motion passed
unanimously.
Items submitted for the record:
Citizens Public Safety Oversight Committee Minutes from September 14, 2023
REPORTS
2. CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL, REJECTION, AMENDMENT AND/OR
POSTPONEMENT OF MONTHLY FINANCIAL & ANNUAL FINANCIAL
REPORT
Kim Coffman gave the report. Coffman stated that year-to-date, "We are almost 7%
below our budget projection for sales tax in the Public Sales Safety Tax Fund. Even
though we're not quite meeting our budget target for this fiscal year, we're still way above
where we've ever been before, so we're doing ok." Coffman stated that there hasn't been
any progress on if Norman Public Schools (NPS) Board of Education is going to approve
the School Resource Officer (SRO) payment that the City has projected for them to pay
for the Fiscal Year 24. "We asked them (NPS) to pay half of the conservative estimate,
is that correct?" Member Rice asked. Coffman replied, "We projected the SRO program
would cost about $1.5 million in the current fiscal year and so we project NPS's share, if
they paid 50% as they have in the past - which is not a requirement of the MOU, the
requirement is just that they pay a share, if they were to pay half - it would be $766,361
in the current fiscal year. 11
On the expenditure side, Coffman says the City is still spending conservatively; however,
they are still above their expenditure budget target due to the construction progress on
the Emergency Communications Operations Center (ECOC) and the down payment that
was made on the new aerial ladder for the Fire Department. "That skewed the target a
little bit, but everything is still on track," Coffman said. There was a large purchase in the
Fleet division in the sum of about $30,000 for parts, supplies and materials. There was
also a $26,000 purchase in capital equipment for a vehicle lift. In the Fire Department,
there was a large expenditure for the replacement of damaged bunker gear and wheels
for unit 52. Two debt service payments are paid on the City's bond each year. The first
payment of $1.19 million was paid in September. Sixty-three thousand dollars was also
paid for design services for the ECOC project in September.
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Member Hurley asked how the City defines capital. Coffman replied, "Those are assets
that are usually between $2,500 and $10,000 with a useful life of around five years or so;
verses, capital projects which are things like a building or a road that is affixed to the
earth."
Coffman presented a draft copy of the Public Safety Oversight Committee's Annual
Report, offering to make any changes that the Committee saw necessary. Member
Greenleaf pointed out bullet point number three under "Major Issues". It was determined
that the last sentence should read: "There is no alternative storage facility for these
resources." This change was agreed upon by the Committee.
Member Rice motioned to approve the Monthly Financial Report and to approve the
Annual Financial Report as amended to include: There is "no" alternative storage facility
for these resources. The motion was duly seconded by Member Hurley.
Items submitted for the record:
Monthly Financial Reports
Annual Financial Report
DISCUSSION ITEMS
3. MONTHLY UPDATES - FIRE DEPARTMENT
Chief Jason Smith gave the update. There is a group of individuals going to the Sutton
Fire Engineering manufacturing plant to do a final inspection on the first Sutton engine
that the City ordered. While this group is there, they will be going over the specifications
for the next Sutton engine that has been ordered.
The contract for the Public Safety Study will go before Council on October 24. If
approved, the study could be completed in six to eight months. "I think that (Public Safety
Study) is going to have an impact. If we find out how many and where we would need
new (fire) stations and have something planned in advance of how we could approach
that into the capital budget, to me, that's a real critical factor for both police and fire and,
I would think, be really important for the ISO rating too," said Member Price.
Member Rice confirmed with Chief Smith that ISO ratings are what affects the cost of
Homeowner's Insurance. Chief Smith stated that a rating of a one is the best rating.
4. STATUS OF NORMAN POLICE DEPARTMENT'S SCHOOL RESOURCE
OFFICER (SRO) PROGRAM
Major Chad Vincent gave the update. Vincent stated that, "For the first time today, we
got everyone around a table to really discuss, 'What does this (the School Resource
Officer Program) look like for our community?'" The City Manager, City Council, Norman's
Police Chief, the Cleveland County Sherriff, Norman Public School Superintendent Dr.
Nick Migliorino, the Norman Public School Assistant Superintendent Justin Milner and
City of Norman Finance personnel were all present. "We did come fon,vard with a
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proposal to add the last four (School Resource Officers) to complete the Public Safety
Sales Tax (PSST) two," Vincent said. "I think the cool part about it was that every piece
of this City cares about students and public safety and that is one thing that we all have
been completely unified on and so, at this point, it's really about how do we figure out the
money part of it?" As of October 9, 2023, the Sherriff's Department has a deputy in every
elementary school. Norman Police Department currently employs eight School Resource
Officers (SROs) and one SRO supervisor. The Police Department has an Academy
starting in January 2024 with 13 open spots. Vincent said that they could add four more
openings to their "application to hire" if the last four SRO positions are approved. He also
said that the language in the SRO contract between Norman Public Schools (NPS) and
the City of Norman never stated that payment for the SRO program was a 50/50 split. "I
think what happens next is up to our community leaders to work through these processes
to see what the funding actually looks like," Vincent said.
Justin Milner, NPS Assistant- Superintendent, stated, "As far as next steps, I believe
Council Member Holman mentioned that he anticipated that the four additional SROs
outlined in the PSST would come back to Council for consideration and certainly, he had
interest in that." Milner continued, "It's a scary time and we've got to make sure that we've
got those protections. We never have said that SROs are the only way. It has always
been an approach of layer. We understand that the threat is not just outside, it's inside
as well. We have to have multiple layers. It's not just about hardening the structure. It's
about having those trained individuals that are amongst our students - interacting with our
students in a positive way. I applaud the incredible work that I got to inherit, stepping into
this almost seven years ago, and seeing their concerted effort to make sure that we built
an SRO program around the key principles and those were articulated in the MOU
because we do understand that there were bad situations across our nation as it related
to SROs. Just throwing someone in there, untrained and unprepared is not the answer
and they knew that going into it. They knew relationships were key to the foundation of
which this was built and we've never deviated from it since. Again, we make an ongoing
effort to maintain that relationship with students in that protection and we are providing a
high quality SRO program. That doesn't just happen. You have to be purposeful in that.
I know the effort has been from Norman Police, it's certainly been from the school district
in this partnership to ensure that, and now with the Sherriff's office who is not looking to
take over, they're just trying to fill a gap while officers are trained and prepared."
Member Hurley asked how other school districts collaborate with their city and county
governments to ensure safety at public schools. Miler answered, "They've entered into
various agreements with their city/county government body. To my knowledge, I'm not
aware of any of them having an SRO at every site, so I think we may be the first at that.
Many of them are focused on the secondary sites. They are in relationships similar, as
far as payment. It's not always a 50/50." There are no indications right now that there
will be increased funding from the State of Oklahoma for SRO services.
Major Vincent stated, "The mental health challenges are off the charts. I can tell you right
now, about half of what we do is mental health." According to Vincent, when most people
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are in a mental health crisis, they don't get handcuffed. If they are acting as a physical
threat to themselves or others, they would likely be handcuffed.
Member Greenleaf asked if the SROs and the Sherriff Department share the same radio
frequency. Vincent replied, "We are getting close. I believe the Sherriff has the radios,
we just need to program them."
Member Rice asked if the City could hire SROs without giving them vehicles. Vincent
replied, "I think you certainly could. I think the other factor though is not having a car out
front. That's a pretty big deterrent that would certainly be beneficial. You don't have to
have that certainly, and I recognize that it's a big number that's sitting out there for those
four. I would discourage going that direction just because a car is like their office." Kim
Coffman added, "By the time they retire the Norman police vehicles they have hundreds
of thousands of miles on them and they are about to fall apart and then to further
complicate the issue of new vehicles, the nine SRO officers we have right now did not get
additional vehicles. They're using part of the Police Department vehicle pool. I believe
Chief Foster said that they're having to double up in some vehicles because they don't
have enough vehicles anymore. I think that's why they're pushing for additional vehicles
instead of just going to the pool for these additional officers."
5. MONTHLY UPDATES - POLICE DEPARTMENT
Major Chad Vincent gave the update. Vincent stated that National Night out was a
successful event that provided a chance for police officers to interact with the community.
The call volume has been "busy" and recently included an incident that required
dispatching the Special Weapons and Tactics (SWAT) Team. Vincent says that City of
Norman is partnered with the City of Moore and City of Oklahoma City SWAT Teams. All
three cities came together on this call that ended peacefully. Out of 167 City of Norman
Police Officers, 136 are deployable. Several officers have been getting injured on and off
duty and some are on extended military deployments. There will be a police academy
starting in June 2024.
7. MONTHLY UPDATES- DISPATCH
Carolyn Glover, Communications Officer Ill, gave the report. Glover stated that the City
of Norman City Clerk's office confirmed that Norman City Council did receive the public
safety vehicle storage facility letter that was submitted by the Public Safety Oversight
Committee. The Clerk's office also confirmed that Council has not taken any action
regarding the letter and they have not requested that it be put on a study session agenda
for discussion.
The Communications Department does not have any employees in training at this time.
The department has one individual that completed fire dispatch training last week but
they're taking a break prior to starting police dispatch training. The department is currently
down five employees. Communications Systems Supervisor, Andrea Lewis, has been
working on recruiting qualified candidates. She has also been keeping applicants up-to-
date on the hiring process. "You all know how long it takes to get someone hired; the
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added communication will hopefully keep them (applicants) engaged, 11 Glover said. There
are two hiring seminars taking place simultaneously. The first group of applicants will go
through a third party background check and the second group of applicants will be
assigned to dispatcher background investigators with the goal that five dispatchers can
start at the same time.
The University of Oklahoma (OU) has gained approval to join the City of Norman's
Computer Aided Design (CAD) system. The University of Oklahoma's legal team and the
City of Norman's legal team are currently working through a memorandum of
understanding (MOU) for this union. Glover stated, "The target date to go live is January
1, 2024."
City of Norman Communication Systems Manager, Russell Anderson, has been asked to
meet with Commissioner Rusty Grissom about consolidating communication systems
once the Emergency Communications Operations Center (ECOC) is built. The Cleveland
County Sherriff's Office (CCSO) radio expansion to south Cleveland County has been
tentatively approved by the commissioners. Per Glover, "The hope is that Tusa is granted
the contract. Tusa was our consultant and they are extremely familiar with our radio
system. In the event that we do consolidate, this is a huge step towards interoperability."
It is expected that City of Norman will bill CCSO $10/month for each radio they have tied
to the City of Norman. It is also expected that CCSO will construct a site in south
Cleveland County to expand the consolidated radio coverage. There has been no official
update on the City of Moore joining the City of Norman's radio system. "Rumor has it that
both Chief Gibson (Moore Police Department) and Chief Herbster (Moore Fire
Department) prefer to join the Norman system over OKC,U Glover stated.
8. MONTHLY UPDATES - EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS OPERATIONS
CENTER (ECOC) PROJECT & VEHICLE STORAGE FACILITY UPDATE
Contractors at the Emergency Communications Operations Center are on schedule to
pour the facility's concrete roof this month. Scott Rice Workspace Solutions has been
chosen as the facility's furniture vendor.
9. ESTABLISH TOPICS FOR THE NOVEMBER 9, 2023 MEETING
Major Chad Vincent asked that the School Resource Officer (SRO) statistical data be
reviewed at the next meeting.
10. CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL, REJECTION, AMENDMENT AND/OR
POSTPONEMENT OF THE 2024 SCHEDULE OF MEETINGS
Member Rice made a motion to approve the 2024 Schedule of Meetings which was duly
seconded by Member Greenleaf. The motion passed unanimously.
Items submitted for the record:
Citizens Public Safety Oversight Committee 2024 Schedule of Meetings
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MISCELLANEOUS COMMENTS
There were no miscellaneous comments.
ADJOURNMENT
Member Emmerson made a motion to adjourn the meeting which was duly seconded by
Member Rice. The motion passed unanimously. The meeting adjourned at
approximately 5:30 PM.
Linda Price, Chair
Citizens Public Safety Oversight Committee
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Agenda
CITY OF NORMAN, OK
PUBLIC SAFETY OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE
Development Center, Room B, 225 N. Webster, Norman, OK 73069
Thursday, October 12, 2023 at 4:00 PM
AGENDA
It is the policy of the City of Norman that no person or groups of persons shall on the grounds of
race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, age, place of birth, sex, sexual orientation, gender
identity or expression, familial status, marital status, including marriage to a person of the same
sex, disability, retaliation, or genetic information, be excluded from participation in, be denied the
benefits of, or otherwise subjected to discrimination in employment activities or in all programs,
services, or activities administered by the City, its recipients, sub-recipients, and contractors. In
the event of any comments, complaints, modifications, accommodations, alternative formats,
and auxiliary aids and services regarding accessibility or inclusion, please contact the ADA
Technician at 405-366-5424, Relay Service: 711. To better serve you, five (5) business days'
advance notice is preferred.
ROLL CALL
MINUTES
1. CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL, REJECTION, AMENDMENT AND/OR
POSTPONEMENT OF MINUTES FROM SEPTEMBER 14, 2023
REPORTS
2. CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL, REJECTION, AMENDMENT AND/OR
POSTPONEMENT OF FIANANCE REPORTS
a) MONTHLY FINANCIAL & ANNUAL FINANCIAL REPORT
DISCUSSION ITEMS
4. MONTHLY UPDATES - FIRE DEPARTMENT
5. MONTHLY UPDATES - POLICE DEPARTMENT
a) STATUS OF NORMAN POLICE DEPARTMENT'S SCHOOL RESOURCE
OFFICER (SRO) PROGRAM
b) POLICE DEPARTMENT UPDATES
c) DISPATCH UPDATES
d) ECOC PROJECT & VEHICLE STORAGE FACILITY UPDATE
9. ESTABLISH TOPICS FOR THE NOVEMBER 9, 2023 MEETING
10. CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL, REJECTION, AMENDMENT AND/OR
POSTPONEMENT OF THE 2024 SCHEDULE OF MEETINGS
MISCELLANEOUS COMMENTS
ADJOURNMENT
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