Public Safety Oversight Committee Meeting
Regular MeetingNorman, OK · March 9, 2017
Minutes
CITIZENS PUBLIC SAFETY OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE MINUTES
March 9, 2017
The Citizens Public Safety Oversight Committee of the City of Norman, Cleveland County, State
of Oklahoma, met at 3:30 p.m. at Bethel Baptist Church, 1717 W. Lindsey Street, on the 9th day
of March, 2017, and notice and agenda of the meeting were posted at City Hall located at 201 W.
Gray Street 24 hours prior to the beginning of the meeting.
PRESENT: Chair Eddie Sims, Members Matthew Leal,
Bill Scanlon, Melanie Hayes, Linda Price,
Joan Goth, and Lea Greenleaf
ABSENT: Members Mike McIlvoy and David Wilson
COMMITTEE LIAISONS: Robert Wasoski, FOP
Lindsay Echols, OU (absent)
IAFF (position vacant)
STAFF PRESENT: Suzanne Krohmer, Budget Manager
Chief Travis King, NFD
Chief Keith Humphrey, NPD
Major JD Younger, NPD
Major Kevin Foster, NPD
Capt. Shawn Hawkins, NPD
Susan Stevens, citizen
Reporter, Norman Transcript
Item 2, being
INTRODUCTION OF STAFF AND GUESTS
Chair Sims called the meeting to order. He welcomed staff and guests to the meeting and asked
them to introduce themselves.
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Item 3, being
APPROVAL OF THE CITIZENS PUBLIC SAFETY OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE MINUTES
OF FEBRUARY 9, 2017.
Member Price made a motion to approve the Citizens Public Safety Oversight Committee minutes
of the February 9, 2017 meeting, which motion was duly seconded by Member Greenleaf; and the
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question being to approve the Citizens Public Safety Oversight Committee minutes of February 9,
2017, a vote was taken with the following result:
YEAS: Chair Eddie Sims, Members Matthew Leal,
Bill Scanlon, Melanie Hayes, Linda Price,
Joan Goth, and Lea Greenleaf
NAYES: None
Chair Eddie Sims declared the motion carried and the Citizens Public Safety Oversight Committee
minutes of February 9, 2017 are approved.
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ITEM 4, being:
MONTHLY UPDATES
Finance Report
Suzanne Krohmer stated that she did not have anything specific to point out this month, but that she
would answer questions from the Committee. Member Greenleaf asked if the report on page 132
was a new fire station. Krohmer stated that it was the radio project that has been ongoing. Member
Greenleaf then asked if the project on page 134 was the EOC. Krohmer stated this was correct.
Major Younger stated that it was his understanding that this included 3 green sites and the towers.
Member Scanlon asked if we have only spent money on the design process so far. Major Younger
stated that it is correct that to date we have only spent money on design and not actual construction.
This construction part of the project will include self-supporting towers that are 150’, which is more
expensive than ordinary towers.
Member Scanlon asked about how the line items, such as the Fire Department line item, under
Capital Projects work. Krohmer stated that this particular line item was for Fire Stations No. 8 and 9.
There is a small amount left in this fund that is going to complete the furnishing of these two stations.
He then asked if there were any issues since he has noticed quite a few expenditures under the Fire
Department for vehicle repair. Chief Travis King stated that there were no out of the ordinary issues.
Krohmer passed out a chart of accounts to help the Committee read the reports easier.
Fire Department
Chief King gave the report. He stated that the Fire Department will be receiving a new fire engine
for Station No. 5 hopefully by May. The Platform is in service and that is going well.
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Member Greenleaf asked if the training for aerial is complete. Chief King stated that there has been
only entry level training for now. Chair Sims asked if the new tankers have been helpful with the
recent grass fires. Chief King stated that they have absolutely been helpful.
Member Price asked if the equipment has come in that was purchased through the CDBG. Chief
King stated that he was not for sure but that he has heard rumor that there are several rural areas that
are getting this grant money.
Police Report
Captain Hawkins gave the report. He stated that the Police Department has just graduated one
Academy and would now turn their attention to the Lateral Transfer Academy. This was scheduled
for August 7, but they are in the process of trying to move this up. COP hours are up this month to
789 from 500+ last month. Some of the big events we had were Coffee with a Cop and the Chili
Supper. The new Citizens Police Academy has begun as well.
Member Greenleaf asked if the training at the range or training facility counted for COP hours.
Captain Hawkins stated that it depends on what they are doing. If they are doing Citizens Police
Academy stuff, then yes that does count. If they are just doing firing practice, then no that doesn’t
count.
Member Scanlon asked if there were any changes to the schedule of the body cameras being
delivered in April. Major Kevin Foster stated that we did have some miscommunication with
WatchGuard. They have apparently been waiting for us to send them a Purchase Order number.
Now we have it going and they have moved us to the top priority list. So now, we have all of our in-
car systems, 25 body cameras, and 2 panels for the kiosks already delivered. The large kiosk that
holds 36 cameras is 6-8 weeks out still, and we are waiting on another 50 body cameras. We will go
ahead and start the training; by mid to end of April or the first of May we should be operational.
Member Greenleaf asked if we are looking at this as a phasing project, where we might purchase
more in the future. Major Foster stated that it could be, but that we wanted to see what the memory
was like and how much we could actually store. We just need to gauge this activity and are in the
process of setting up a release system. We are probably looking at doing some sort of drop box
system for releasing footage. Member Greenleaf asked about the total number of deliverables.
Major Foster stated there will be 75 body cameras, 5 in car cameras, and 2 motorcycle cameras. We
will just have to see what the demand is from requests form the DA.
Chair Sims asked if we are adding an FTE to manage. Major Foster stated we are just doing it with
the staff that we have. Chief Humphrey stated that we will monitor and see if we will need more
staff in the future. Chair Sims then asked about the release process and if patients will be blurred out
in the video feed. Major Foster stated that the footage would not be released at all unless there was a
court order.
Member Greenleaf stated that there had to be HIPPA requirements for this situation. Chair Sims
stated that this was what he was referring to. There are conflicting HIPPA laws that apply to the
healthcare system but not to the Police Department. Chief Humphrey stated that the Police
Department would follow all policies and procedures in these situations.
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Chief Humphrey stated that Major Younger has been selected as the new Police Chief for the City of
Edmond. There were 93 applicants and Major Younger was chosen, so we are very proud of him. He
has done a lot with the radio system, the EOC, and New World. His will be big shoes to fill and it
will be a loss to our community. We are very excited for him, and we are also very excited about our
new lateral academy.
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ITEM 5, being:
POLICE DEPARTMENT SELF-ASSESSMENT REPORT
Captain Hawkins gave the presentation. He stated that this assessment came out of the COP services
office and is required by anyone who has a COP grant, which we do not have. We did decide to take
the assessment anyway in order to measure the extent that we have taken community policing into
our department with our partnerships and our organizational transformation. The 3 main modules
were: Problem Solving, Organizational Transformation, and Community Partners.
Member Scanlon asked why we do not have a COP grant. Captain Hawkins stated that we have had
them in the past and we did apply for School Resource Officers, but we were not awarded the grant.
The survey was 100% anonymous so we do not know who took the assessment or when. At least
85% of the department had to take the assessment in order to get correct readings. Member Scanlon
asked how the assessment was distributed. Captain Hawkins stated that they were sent through the
email system.
Member Scanlon then asked who picked the community partners. Captain Hawkins stated that the
Police Department picked the community partners. We sent out 33 invitations to community
partners, 21 of which responded. Some of the problems that were reported were how we measured
against others based on the number of officers and the population numbers. Member Greenleaf
asked if the scoring was on a scale of 1-5. Captain Hawkins stated that was correct.
Chair Sims asked how many agencies in the group are there for similar agencies. Captain Hawkins
stated that he did not know. Member Scanlon asked if being as not as good as similar agencies in
certain areas was a concern. Captain Hawkins stated that was not a concern. Member Scanlon then
asked if it is a concern that we fall off in comparison in response and assessment on the problem
solving graph. Captain Hawkins stated that was not a concern but that it does show us where we
could improve. Member Scanlon then asked what we need to do to improve in the areas that were
found lacking. Captain Hawkins stated that we need to work on our COP projects and do better at
following up with those results.
Member Greenleaf asked if any sense of direction come from the results of this assessment. Captain
Hawkins stated that there is no solid plan as of yet. Member Scanlon asked if we could be apprised
of where the department plans to go from here with the results of the assessment at a future meeting.
Chair Sims asked if we have access to some of the names of the similar agencies we were compared
with to see what type of plan they decide on from the assessment. Captain Hawkins stated that we
can see if we can get that information.
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Captain Hawkins stated that this survey was free, but back in 2009 there was a community survey
done that gave us some information as well. The Police Department would like to repeat the
community survey to get more information about the differences between the officer information and
the community partner information, but this survey would cost money. Member Greenleaf asked
where we acquired the survey in 2009. Captain Hawkins stated that is was from the COP office.
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ITEM 6, being:
DISCUSSION REGARDING PHASE II RADIO CONSULTANTS AND RADIO SYSTEM
UPDATE
Major Younger gave the presentation. He stated that Phase II is complete. City Council’s agenda for
next Tuesday should have 3 of our items: the purchase of the actual radio system from Harris, a
contract with Tusa consultants for Phase III, and a contract with Harris for the master services
agreement. Until it is official we cannot release any more information.
Member Greenleaf asked why we are using Harris. Major Younger stated the City could provide the
Committee with the tabulation documents for them to go over. Harris was chosen for two reasons:
technical requirements and pricing consideration. The vendors were all ranked according to these,
and there was a significant price gap between the top two vendors. Of the three bidders for the
contract, Harris was the lowest in the initial response. Member Scanlon stated that in the contract we
also will receive more continuing support from Harris versus any of the other bidders. Major
Younger stated that while the requirements stated the bidder to guarantee 95%, Harris guaranteed
96%.
Member Greenleaf asked if the third phase was for the company to have manufactured spares on
hand for the life expectancy of the radio system. Major Younger stated that the master service
agreement addresses those issues. We cannot commit to multi-year budgeting, so this is addressed in
the contract for items to be replaced. There is a significantly higher budget in years 6-10 due to this
contingency. Chair Sims asked if the life of the system was 10 years. Major Younger stated that it is
projected to be 15 years but could go longer with regular maintenance. This is an open-architecture
system and we do believe that the market will expand in that direction.
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ITEM 7, being
UPDATE ON EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER (EOC) PROJECT
Major Younger gave the presentation. He stated that it is progressing as expected, and we are still
working on verifying geological sites. Member Greenleaf asked why that hasn’t happened yet.
Major Younger stated that he does not know what the timeline is, as he is not directly involved in the
project. Member Scanlon stated that he understands that it is City property, but there are still
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geological surveys that have to be completed before building. Member Greenleaf asked where all the
public documentation to date for this project can be found. Major Younger stated that you can find
information from Purchasing. We do have the agenda items online through the City’s website.
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Item 8, being
ESTABLISH AGENDA TOPICS FOR NEXT APRIL 13TH MEETING AT THE LT. ROYCE
WEDDLE FIRING RANGE, 3942 JENKINS AVENUE
Next month will be the use of Force Simulator at the range. Captain Hawkins urged the Committee to
go through the same program as they use for the Citizens Police Academy. That would include a real
call scenario with the simulator. Chair Sims asked if we should pick 1-3 volunteers instead of all 9
Committee members.
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Item 9, being
MISCELLANEOUS COMMENTS
Member Leal stated that he was very excited for Major Younger and his new job.
Member Price stated that the graduation ceremony was great but the video was too long.
Member Scanlon asked if the public forum on the rescue vehicle was rescheduled. Captain
Hawkins stated that it has been rescheduled from February 8 to yesterday and now it has not
been rescheduled as of yet. Chair Sims stated that we should send out a public forum notice
when the information is available. He would also like the Committee to be made aware when the
rescue vehicle makes it back onto the Council agenda.
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Item 10, being
ADJOURNMENT
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Member Scanlon moved that the meeting be adjourned. Member Price seconded the motion. Chair
Sims declared the Citizens Public Safety Oversight Committee adjourned at 4:23pm.
Agenda
Citizens Public Safety Oversight Committee
Bethel Baptist Church
st
(1 Floor, East side of church)
1717 W. Lindsey Street
March 9, 2017
3:30 p.m.
AGENDA
1. Call to Order
2. Introduction of staff and guests
3. Approval of Minutes of February 9, 2017 Meeting
4. Monthly Updates
• Finance
• Fire Department
• Police Department
5. Police Department Self -Assessment Report
6. Discussion regarding Phase II Radio Consultants and radio system update
7. Update on Emergency Operations Center (EOC) Project
8. Establish Agenda Topics for the next April 13th Meeting at the Lt. Royce
Weddle Firing Range, 3942 Jenkins Avenue
9. Miscellaneous Comments
10. Adjournment
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