Inland Wetlands, Water Courses & Conservation Commission
Regular MeetingNorwich, CT · November 6, 2008
Minutes
LAST REVISED 11/26/2008 4:25 PM
CITY OF NORWICH
INLAND WETLANDS, WATERCOURSES AND
CONSERVATION COMMISSION
November 6, 2008 Regular Meeting Minutes
Council Chambers City Hall 100 Broadway, Norwich, CT
Agenda Items A, B & C – Call To Order, Roll Call, Determination Of Quorum:
Acting Chairman Richard Morell called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m.
Present: Richard Morell Jeremiah Lowney
Douglas Lee Barbara Rothstein
Arthur Sharron, Alt. Robert McCoy, Alt.
Brandon Hyde, Alt Ralph Page
Absent with notification: Raymond Baribeault
Also Present: Peter Davis, Director, Tianne Phoenix Curtis, Recording Secretary,
Atty. Karl Sternloff, Corporation Counsel
A quorum was present and all members present were voting.
D. Minutes:
Upon motion by Arthur Sharron and second by Ralph Page, the Commission voted
unanimously to APPROVE the minutes of the October 2, 2008 regular meeting.
E. Communications: Letter from A.C.O.E. regarding Kudlach property (distributed
in Member packets.)
F. Public Hearings:
1. IWWCC – 08-04 - 60.6 acres of land on the west side of Scotland Road,
the south side of White Plains Road and the east side of Hansen Road
comprised of the following four parcels:
South side White Plains Road, Norwich Assessor’s Map 17, Block 1, Lot
9, Norwichtown Development LLC, owner; 115 Hansen Road, Norwich
Assessor’s Map 22, Block 1, Lot 10, Norwichtown Development LLC,
owner
West side Scotland Road, Norwich Assessor’s Map 23, Block 1, Lots 1-
3, Norwichtown Development LLC, owner; 145 Hansen Road, Norwich
Assessor’s Map 22, Block 1, Lot 5, Thomas R. and Colleen M. Abele,
owner – Application of Norwichtown Development LLC - for Active Adult
Community, including wetland/stream-crossing utilities.
Acting Chair Richard Morell opened the Public Hearing. Atty. Karl Sternlof
explained the procedure for a Public Hearing in detail and stated, for the
record, the purview of the Inland Wetland Watercourse Conservation
Commission. Barbara Rothstein recused herself from the application on
the record. Peter Davis read items “A-DDDD” into the record and turned
the presentation over to the Applicant. Atty. David Sherwood on behalf of
the Applicant and submitted a presentation outline which was
subsequently marked exhibit “EEEE.” Atty. Sherwood gave a brief history
of the site that was once a sawmill and stated that the contamination at the
site has been remediated to the satisfaction of the Uncas Health District.
Atty. Sherwood stated that they are proposing three separate wetland
crossings, and that the 285 sf of wetlands they are proposing to fill is man-
made and appears to be an old foundation. Atty. Sherwood stated the total
impact is 4530 sf of the 60.6 acres site.
Don Fortunato, CSS LEP stated that Michael Schaefer originally flagged the
wetlands, however he concurs with the delineation and had been on-site
for soil sampling. Mr. Fortunato stated the nature and types of soils
present and submitted two pages of soil photos that were marked exhibit
“FFFF” and watershed form marked exhibit “GGGG.” Mr. Fortunato stated
there are no threatened or endangered species on site or in the vicinity.
Project Engineer Pat Lafayette itemized the proposed wetland crossings.
Mr. Lafayette stated also that machinery would be stored upland when not
in use and brought down as necessary, and that off-site activities,
including the proposed utilities crossing under Byron Brook culvert, would
be in pavement and erosion and sediment control measures will be
provided at both sides of pavement. Commissioner Hyde questioned the
details for proposed mitigation at crossings. Mr. Lafayette responded with
their restoration and mitigation plan and stated that invasive species will
be removed.
Norm Thibeault, Jr. PE presented the six proposed drainage basins and
gave multiple year storm data and calculations, stating the peak from the
impervious surfaces only will not increase the net runoff rate. Mr.
Thibeault stated the 100-yr would result in a 3% decrease in peak runoff
rate and that the pipe termination was determined suitable for the basin
location. Mr. Thibeault noted the depth of the basins range from 4-6’ and
the bottoms will support wetlands vegetation and can contribute toward
wetland mitigation area, and that subsurface systems were not considered
due to a lack of flat lands as the existing slope in unsuitable for the type of
system.
Acting Chair Richard Morell opened the floor to those wishing to speak in
opposition. Speaking in opposition were:
Keith Ripley, 9 Meadow Lane, submitted correspondence which was
marked Exhibit “JJJJ” which Acting Chair Richard Morell read into the
record in its entirety which stated his concerns relative to the Fairview
Reservoir.
John Oldfield, 185 Lawler Lane, spoke in opposition.
Carolyn Horton, 131 Hansen Road, spoke in opposition.
Atty. Eric Knapp submitted request for Intervener status (Exhibit “KKKK”)
and the Commission recessed at 9:13pm.
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Commission resumed at 9:21 pm and Corporation Counsel Karl Sternlof
stated that the request for Intervener status had been accepted.
Atty. Eric Knapp introduced their biologist George T. Logan, Michael
Schaefer of REMA Ecological Services. Mr. Logan submitted his summary
of findings report (Exhibit “LLLL”) and the resumes of himself & Sigrun N.
Gadwa, MS (Exhibit “MMMM”.) Mr. Logan stated that he is representing Dr.
Pierce Browning and the residents’ concerns for the potential for long-term
negative impact, quality of water, and quality of resources. Mr. Logan
stated that the discharge point for basin #3 would be located in what he
determined to be a vernal pool. Sigrun N. Gadwa, MS, associate to Mr.
Logan, reported her findings from her site visit and spoke relative to the
purity of the stream and wildlife.
Marc Goodin, PE submitted Exhibits “NNNN” & “OOOO” review reports and
stated that the plans as submitted have numerous defects including being
incomplete, negative impact to wetlands, and failure to maintain best
management practices. Mr. Goodin summarized his review of the
applicant’s submitted plans.
Eric Knapp made his closing statements and stated that the Commission
should deny the application given the lack of information provided.
Dr. Pierce Browning III, 671 Scotland Road, submitted an aerial photograph
of his property (Exhibit “PPPP”.) Dr. Browning stated that his intentions
are to preserve the wetlands as stated in his Conservation Easement that
restricts use to biology and botany research. Dr. Browning voiced his
concern for long-term impact of heavy metal and petroleum product run-
off.
Catherine Bakke, 77 White Plains Road, spoke in opposition.
Curtis Brockway, 537 Scotland Road, spoke in opposition.
Kathy Delaney, 138 Hansen Road, spoke in opposition.
Joseph Molcan, 188 Hansen Road, spoke in opposition.
Barbara Doherty, 111 Hansen Road, spoke in opposition.
Lucy Cilley, 120 Hansen Road, spoke in opposition.
As there were no more wishing to speak in opposition, and upon motion by
Ralph Page and second by Jeremiah Lowney, the Commission voted
unanimously to take a 5-minute recess.
The Commission reconvened and the floor was opened to the applicant for
rebuttal. Mr. Fortunato stated that numerous test points have been done,
and that all affected areas have been cleaned and excavated to bedrock in
addition to post-excavation sampling. Mr. Fortunato stated that while Mr.
Logan has never visited the site of application, he himself has and saw no
evidence of a vernal pool.
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Mr. Thibeault stated that the plans have been reviewed with City Engineer
Barry Ellison and that they meet the City design standards. Mr. Thibeault
re-stated that all proposed drainage systems meet City standards.
Commission questioned why there was such an extreme variation between
engineers. Atty. Sherwood rebutted that Mr. Logan is questioning the
opinion of the City Engineer however Mr. Logan is not qualified to make the
statements as such. Atty. Sherwood also stated that Mr. Goodin’s criticism
is relative to overdevelopment and the IWWCC doesn’t address
overdevelopment.
As there were no more wishing to speak in favor or opposition, Acting
Chair Richard Morell closed the Public Hearing.
2. IWWCC-08-05 - Plain Hill Rd, Case St., Scotland Rd., Reservoir Rd., Rte.
12, Mohegan Park Rd., Rte. 169, Canterbury Tpke – Application of
Algonquin Gas Transmission, LLC for upgrades & improvements to existing
natural gas transmission system.
Doug Lee recused himself from the application. Upon motion by Jeremiah
Lowney and second by Ralph Page, the Commission voted 7:0 (Lee recused)
to CONTINUE the public hearing to a special meeting of the IWWCC, date to be
determined. (11/19/08 @ 5:00pm)
G. Old Business:
1. IWWCC – 08-04 – 60.6 acres of land on the west side of Scotland Road,
the south side of White Plains Road and the east side of Hansen Road
comprised of the following four parcels:
South side White Plains Road, Norwich Assessor’s Map 17, Block 1, Lot
9, Norwichtown Development LLC, owner; 115 Hansen Road, Norwich
Assessor’s Map 22, Block 1, Lot 10, Norwichtown Development LLC,
owner
West side Scotland Road, Norwich Assessor’s Map 23, Block 1, Lots 1-
3, Norwichtown Development LLC, owner; 145 Hansen Road, Norwich
Assessor’s Map 22, Block 1, Lot 5, Thomas R. and Colleen M. Abele,
owner – Application of Norwichtown Development LLC - for Active Adult
Community, including wetland/stream-crossing utilities.
Upon motion by Arthur Sharron and second by Brandon Hyde, the
Commission voted 7:0 (Rothstein recused) to TABLE action on the
application to the 12/04/2008 regular meeting of the IWWCC.
2. IWWCC-08-05 - Plain Hill Rd, Case St., Scotland Rd., Reservoir Rd., Rte.
12, Mohegan Park Rd., Rte. 169, Canterbury Tpke – Application of
Algonquin Gas Transmission, LLC for upgrades & improvements to existing
natural gas transmission system.
Upon motion by Doug Lee and second by Ralph Page, the Commission
voted 7:0 (Lee recused) to TABLE the application to a special meeting of
the IWWCC, date to be determined. (11/19/08 @ 5:00pm)
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3. IWWCC-URA-08-14 – 35 Alice Street – Application of Michael and Laura
Lieske for the installation of a 24’ aboveground swimming pool.
Upon motion by Doug Lee and second by Ralph Page, the Commission
voted unanimously to TABLE the application to a special meeting of the
IWWCC, date to be determined. (11/19/08 @ 5:00pm)
4. IWWCC-URA-08-15 – 252 Taftville-Occum Road – Application of Raymond
Dussault for construction of two single-family homes.
Upon motion by Doug Lee and second by Ralph Page, the Commission
voted unanimously to TABLE the application to a special meeting of the
IWWCC, date to be determined. (11/19/08 @ 5:00pm)
5. IWWCC-URA-08-16 - 153 Hunters Road & 115 Merchants Ave. – Applicatio
n of Ponemah Villa Estates, LLC/Joseph McMahon – 89-unit Active Adult
Community.
Upon motion by Doug Lee and second by Ralph Page, the Commission
voted unanimously to TABLE the application to a special meeting of the
IWWCC, date to be determined. (11/19/08 @ 5:00pm)
H. New Business: None
I. New Business items submitted after agenda preparation and prior to the
submission deadline.
1. IWWCC-08-08 – 8 Wisconsin Avenue - Application of Norwich Woods
Apartments, LP II for construction of multifamily development & associated
site improvements.
Upon motion by Brandon Hyde and second by Arthur Sharron, the
Commission voted unanimously to TABLE the application to the 12/04/2008
regular meeting.
J. Other Business:
1. 50 Town Street – Chelsea Groton Savings Bank retaining wall
Upon motion by Brandon Hyde and second by Arthur Sharron, the
Commission voted unanimously to TABLE discussion to the 12/04/2008
regular meeting.
K. Violations:
1. IW-VIOL – 07-01- 81 Corning Rd- Kudlach- update
2. IW-VIOL – 07-02- 150 Plain Hill Rd – Rothstein - update
Upon motion by Brandon Hyde and second by Arthur Sharron, the
Commission voted unanimously to TABLE discussion of items K1 & K2 to the
12/04/2008 regular meeting.
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L. Adjournment
Upon motion by Brandon Hyde and second by Doug Lee, the Commission voted
unanimously to adjourn at 11:42 pm.
Respectfully submitted,
Tianne Phoenix Curtis
Recording Secretary
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Agenda
DRAFT LAST REVISED 10/27/2008 3:39 PM
CITY OF NORWICH
INLAND WETLANDS, WATERCOURSES & CONSERVATION COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING
CITY HALL 100 BROADWAY – NORWICH CT
COUNCIL CHAMBERS 3RD FLOOR
November 6, 2008 – 7:00 P.M.
AGENDA
A. Call to Order
B. Roll Call
C. Determination of Quorum
D. Approval of October 2, 2008 regular meeting minutes
E. Communications: Letter from A.C.O.E. regarding Kudlach property
F. Public Hearings:
1. IWWCC – 08-04 - 60.6 acres of land on the west side of Scotland Road, the
south side of White Plains Road and the east side of Hansen Road
comprised of the following four parcels:
South side White Plains Road, Norwich Assessor’s Map 17, Block 1, Lot 9,
Norwichtown Development LLC, owner; 115 Hansen Road, Norwich
Assessor’s Map 22, Block 1, Lot 10, Norwichtown Development LLC,
owner
West side Scotland Road, Norwich Assessor’s Map 23, Block 1, Lots 1-3,
Norwichtown Development LLC, owner; 145 Hansen Road, Norwich
Assessor’s Map 22, Block 1, Lot 5, Thomas R. and Colleen M. Abele,
owner – Application of Norwichtown Development LLC - for Active Adult
Community, including wetland/stream-crossing utilities.
2. IWWCC-08-05 - Plain Hill Rd, Case St., Scotland Rd., Reservoir Rd., Rte.
12, Mohegan Park Rd., Rte. 169, Canterbury Tpke – Application of Algonquin
Gas Transmission, LLC for upgrades & improvements to existing natural gas
transmission system.
G. Old Business:
1. IWWCC – 08-04 – 60.6 acres of land on the west side of Scotland Road,
the south side of White Plains Road and the east side of Hansen Road
comprised of the following four parcels:
South side White Plains Road, Norwich Assessor’s Map 17, Block 1, Lot 9,
Norwichtown Development LLC, owner; 115 Hansen Road, Norwich
Assessor’s Map 22, Block 1, Lot 10, Norwichtown Development LLC,
owner
West side Scotland Road, Norwich Assessor’s Map 23, Block 1, Lots 1-3,
Norwichtown Development LLC, owner; 145 Hansen Road, Norwich
Assessor’s Map 22, Block 1, Lot 5, Thomas R. and Colleen M. Abele,
owner – Application of Norwichtown Development LLC - for Active Adult
Community, including wetland/stream-crossing utilities.
DRAFT LAST REVISED 10/27/2008 3:39 PM
2. IWWCC-08-05 - Plain Hill Rd, Case St., Scotland Rd., Reservoir Rd., Rte.
12, Mohegan Park Rd., Rte. 169, Canterbury Tpke – Application of Algonquin
Gas Transmission, LLC for upgrades & improvements to existing natural gas
transmission system.
3. IW-URA-08-14 – 35 Alice Street – Application of Michael and Laura Lieske for
the installation of a 24’ aboveground swimming pool.
4. IWWCC – URA - 08-15 – 252 Taftville-Occum Road – Application of
Raymond Dussault for construction of two single-family homes.
5. IWWCC – URA-08-16 - 153 Hunters Road & 115 Merchants Ave. –
Application of Ponemah Villa Estates, LLC/Joseph McMahon – 89-unit Active
Adult Community.
H. New Business: None
I. New Business items submitted after agenda preparation and prior to the
submission deadline: TBD
J. Other Business:
1. 50 Town Street – Chelsea Groton Savings Bank retaining wall
K. Violations:
1. IW-VIOL – 07-01 - 81 Corning Rd- Kudlach- update
2. IW- VIOL – 07-02 - 150 Plain Hill Rd – Rothstein - update
L. Adjournment
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