School Building Committee (2020)
Regular MeetingNorwich, CT · May 17, 2022
Minutes
School Building Committee (2020)
Regular Meeting
City Hall Room 335
100 Broadway
And Virtually via ZOOM
Tuesday May 17, 2022
6:30 PM
Committee Members Present: Chairman Mark Bettencourt (ZOOM),
Alderwoman Stacy Gould, President Pro Tem Joe DeLucia, William Hull, Peter
Gauthier (ZOOM), Gregory Carabine, Cindy Beauregard (ZOOM), Mark Kulos
(ZOOM) and Christine DiStasio (ZOOM).
Committee Members Absent: Mark Adams and Gregory Ballassi.
Ex-Officio Members Present: Mayor Peter Nystrom (ZOOM).
Citizens Present: None.
I. Call to Order and Quorum: Alderwoman Stacy Gould called the
meeting to order at 6:32 PM.
II. Approval of Minutes from Previous Meetings: Christine DiStasio made a
motion to approve the April 19, 2022 regular meeting minutes. Chairman Mark
Bettencourt seconded. The chairman called the roll of members present and all were
in favor. The motion passed unanimously.
III. Update by DRA representatives Jim Barrett and/or Greg Smolley:
Gregory Smolley asked members their positive and negative thoughts regarding the
April 26th Public Information Session. President Pro Tem DeLucia stated he felt
there was a great presentation and material provided, there was just not the desired
level of turnout. Jim Barrett stated he felt the video recording of the meeting would
assist in knowledge exposure. William Hull stated public relations needed to be
increased to encourage turnout and suggested bringing the presentation to other
groups in order to build momentum. Gregory Smolley suggested structuring the
July Public Information Session in that way opposed to inviting the public to a
single location. Discussion ensued regarding presentation options and future plans.
Gregory Carabine asked when DRA would need direction on how to move forward.
Gregory Smolley responded that the goal would be for the Committee to make a
decision on the number of schools, without a cost analysis, that evening.
Gregory Smolley showcased a map of the site evaluations which included population
centers. Gregory Smolley explained that DRA looked at how three elementary school
sites and two middle schools could work the most effectively, while including a
transition service and administration building. Gregory Smolley explained this
would include the Huntington School Administration Center, Stanton Elementary
School, Moriarty Elementary School, Teachers Middle School and Kelly Middle
School, as well as the consideration of Golden Street, Franklin Street and Ox Hill
Road as new sites. Gregory Smolley stated the size of each school in a three school
system functions better educationally than the size of each school in a four school
system.
Gregory Smolley discussed the comparisons between the conceptual programs of
525 students with a 74,000 square feet required and 700 students with a 95,000
square feet required.
Gregory Smolley discussed the existing elevations and wetlands on the Moriarty
Elementary School. Gregory Smolley discussed potential development options.
Gregory Smolley stated renovating the building would be more costly than a
conventional floor plan. Gregory Smolley stated a new classroom wing would be
required to run parallel to the existing classroom wing ‘B’ with a new gymnasium in
the rear, after demolishing the existing classroom wing in that area. Gregory
Smolley discussed options for building a new school on the site, which had benefits
in regards to student displacement during construction. Gregory Smolley stated the
proposed new two-story building would be constructed on the existing ballfield.
Gregory Smolley continued that the proposal would be to demolish the existing
school building and put the ballfield in its place, which would allow for the addition
of a new rectangular field, additional parking, and a proper drop off loop for buses
and parents.
Gregory Smolley stated that the Stanton Elementary School had a relatively large
site but included adjacent wetlands and topography with 2-5% slopes. Gregory
Smolley stated an option for the site included building a single story school backing
up on the existing playfield and 2-5% slope area. Gregory Smolley stated that after
investigating it was determined the wetlands at the Stanton stie would not be an
issue. Gregory Smolley stated the plan would utilize as much of the existing parking
as possible but would limit the playfield area around the site. Gregory Smolley
discussed building a two story school on the site with the same footprint suggested
for Moriarty Elementary. Gregory Smolley stated a two story school would provide
room to configure parking to allow for slightly larger playfields and drop off loop.
Gregory Smolley noted the positive location of the Uncas Elementary School site.
Gregory Smolley detailed the existing parking layout and slopes on the site. Gregory
Smolley discussed options regarding increasing size of existing buildings in
comparison to potential pick up and drop off numbers. Gregory Smolley showed the
option of rebuilding the two story school further back into the slope on the site to
provide expansion of the lower field around the building. Gregory Smolley stated
this option would provide potential for Elizabeth Street Extension to be straightened
out, if desired. Gregory Smolley noted this option would also allow for better
parking and a large drop off loop.
Gregory Smolley concluded that all three schools discussed were workable options.
Gregory Smolley stated when determining what sites to develop further the decision
should be based on location relative to population.
Gregory Smolley stated DRA developed options for potential new sites with input
from the committee and Pat McLaughin of Public Works.
Gregory Smolley stated the Ox Hill Road site is geographically undesirable as it is
far from the population area that the committee is looking to serve. Gregory Smolley
stated the site also has a fair amount of topography with slopes greater than 5%.
Gregory Smolley stated there would be a lot of site work involved to develop an
elementary school.
Gregory Smolley stated the Golden Street site is an ideal location for a school and
has existing undeveloped right of ways that could be developed to offer relief to
roads in the area. Gregory Smolley noted that the site did have slopes greater than
5%. Gregory Smolley showcased a two story test fit with the school situated on the
top of the ridge with a crossing road from Golden Street to Boswell Avenue, that
included space for parking and bus drop offs. Gregory Smolley stated the test fit
included playfields adjacent to the early childhood section of the proposed building
and on the flat below the building.
Gregory Smolley stated the Franklin Street site was close to the center of population
growth but was also closer to a commercial district than is ideal. Gregory Smolley
discussed the layout and topography of the site.. Gregory Smolley discussed a three
floor school and parking lot on site. Gregory Smolley discussed a typical urban
school layout that could accommodate a play area on the roof of the building.
Gregory Smolley discussed the site criteria comparisons based on a 700 student
model.
Gregory Smolley stated the project timelines would be based on how many existing
and how many new sites would be utilized. Gregory Smolley based on conversations
with the superintendent's office DRA developed a 350 student lower and upper
grade alignment proposal. Gregory Smolley stated there would be enough sites to
choose from even if a four school model was selected.
Christine DiStasio noted concerns for busing students from Veterans Elementary
School to the new proposed sites. Gregory Smolley stated the existing site of
Veterans Elementary School is too small and the acquisition of property would add
funding and time onto the project. Gregory Smolley stated that was something that
is typically avoided unless there is greater land development potential in the area.
Mayor Nystrom discussed potential flooding issues for the Franklin Street site and
noted that the Golden Street site offered a unique opportunity. Discussion ensued
regarding moving forward with a three or four facility proposal. Mark Kulos asked if
there was any advantage on the number of schools in regards to reimbursement
from state funding. Gregory Smolley responded that the cost differential begins to
show in the time value of money and how long it takes to construct all of the
buildings. Gregory Smolley stated the easiest facilitation would be building new
schools on the sites and demolishing the existing schools.
Gregory Smolley discussed a two phase project approach over a seven year time
span. Gregory Smolley stated the end of Phase 1 is projected for 2025 and discussed
interest as well as budget based increase. Gregory Smoley discussed options for
moving students during construction phases. Gregory Smolley also discussed a three
phase approach over a ten year time span, which would extend operational costs.
Gregory Smolley stated three windows of time could be logistically difficult, with
four windows being more feasible. Gregory Smolley stated the renovation of
Huntington to an administrative building would be the final consideration.
Mark Kulos noted he did not see allocation for adult education. Gregory Smolley
stated the inclusion of that would be needed. Discussion ensued on hosting adult
education in Huntington Elementary School. President Pro Tem Joe DeLucia stated
that due to the scope and scale of the project there would likely be multiple
referendums required. Jim Barrett stated it was important to show the overarching
concept as a master plan that identifies dollar amounts for the breakdown of the
project. Discussion ensued on potential options and project histories.
Gregory Smolley discussed the accuracy of cost estimating in relation to true pricing
and stated that DRA was typically very close in their pricing projections.
V. Discussion and action on the report as needed:
Mayor Peter Nystrom asked if the phase schedules included the two year notice post
referendum required to the state School Construction Grant Program. Gregory
Smolley responded that they did. Discussion ensued regarding the direction to give
to DRA.
William Hull made a motion to instruct Drummey Rosane Anderson, Inc to proceed
in developing a four elementary school facility school system plan for further review,
that would include the incorporation of Moriarty, Stanton and Uncas elementary
schools, as well as a new facility to be developed on the former Greenville
Elementary school site. Gregory Carabine seconded.
President Pro Tem DeLucia discussed waiting to decide on further studying a three
of four school program following the upcoming public information session. Mark
Bettencourt stated he would also be interested in further studying both options.
Discussion ensued on what approach to take in order to give the public one
suggested direction at the public information session.
William Hull reiterated his motion, to which Gregory Carabine seconded.
Alderwoman Stacy Gould, President Pro Tem Joe DeLucia, William Hull, Gregory
Carabine, Cindy Beauregard and Christine DiStasio voted in favor. Chairman Mark
Bettencourt, Mark Kulos and Peter Gauthier opposed. The motion passed.
VI. Future Meeting Schedule: Gregory Smolley stated DRA would run through
the draft plan at the next meeting. Gregory Smolley stated following that the report
would be brought to city council for approval. Gregory Smolley stated the next
public information session would follow city council approval.
Discussion ensued regarding the meeting scheduling and combining the next School
Building Committee (2020) Meeting with the regular June Board of Education
meeting. A decision was made for the DRA presentation to be added to the June
Board of Education agenda with attendance by the School Building Committee
(2020) Meeting, and for another Public Information Session to be held on June 21st
after the draft is presented at the regular council session.
As a matter of record: During discussions at the June Board of Education meeting
the schedule of upcoming School Building Committee Meetings was changed per
the chairman.
VII. Additional Agenda Items: Discussion ensued on creating a public relations
subcommittee.
Greg Carabine made a motion for interested committee members, including at least
one from the Board of Education, to develop a School Building Committee (2020)
Publicizing Subcommittee, that would handle promotion of informational sessions
and other needed items. President Pro Tem DeLucia seconded. The chairman called
the roll of members present and all were in favor. The motion passed unanimously.
Alderwoman Stacy Gould asked members to let Chairman Mark Bettencourt know if
they would like to volunteer their time.
VIII. Adjournment: Gregory Carabine made a motion to adjourn the regular
meeting at 8:33 PM. William Hull seconded. seconded. The chairman called
the roll of members present and all were in favor. The motion passed
unanimously.
Respectfully Submitted, Katherine Rose
Agenda
City of Norwich
School Building Committee (2020)
Regular Meeting
Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 6:30pm
At the City Hall, Rm 335
100 Broadway, Norwich CT 06360
Also available virtually via Zoom
See page 2 for instructions.
1. Call to order: Determination of a quorum
2. Approval of minutes from previous meetings.
3. Public Comment if any
4. Update by DRA representatives Jim Barrett and/or Greg Smolley
5. Discussion and action on the report as needed
6. Future meeting schedule
7. Anything else to be brought before the committee
8. Adjournment
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