School Building Committee (2020)
Regular MeetingNorwich, CT · June 28, 2022
Minutes
School Building Committee (2020)
Regular Meeting
City Hall Room 335
100 Broadway
And Virtually via ZOOM
Tuesday June 28, 2022
6:30 PM
Committee Members Present: Chairman Mark Bettencourt, President Pro Tem
Joe DeLucia, Alderwoman Stacy Gould, Peter Gauthier, Gregory Carabine, Gregory
Ballassi, Mark Kulos, Cindy Beauregard and Christine DiStasio (ZOOM).
Committee Members Absent: William Hull and Mark Adams.
Ex-Officio Members Present: Bob Sierpinski (ZOOM), Matthew Brown
(ZOOM) and Mayor Peter Nystrom.
Citizens Present: Robert Bell.
I. Call to Order and Quorum: Alderwoman Stacy Gould called the
meeting to order at 6:32 PM.
II. Approval of Minutes from Previous Meetings: Peter Gauthier made a
motion to approve the May 17, 2022 regular meeting minutes, with some revisions
Mark Kulos seconded. Chairman Mark Bettencourt, President Pro Tem Joe DeLucia,
Peter Gauthier, Gregory Carabine, Gregory Ballassi, Mark Kulos and Christine
DiStasio voted in favor. The motion passed unanimously.
III. Update by DRA representatives Jim Barrett and/or Greg Smolley:
Gregory Smolley explained that the presentation had been refined since the last
meeting. Jim Barrett stated their presentation discussed an overview of the fourteen
buildings - seven elementary and two middle schools - that DRA was requested to
assess as part of the study.
Jim Barrett reviewed the list of the most suitable buildings, Kelly Middle School,
Case Street School and Teachers Memorial Middle School; those deemed suitable,
Veterans, Huntington, Mahan, Uncas, Moriarty and Bishop Elementary Schools;
and less suitable, Wequonnoc and Stanton Elementary Schools. Jim Barrett
discussed the overview of enrollment and demographic forecasting for the different
grade groups as well as current attendance zones and current elementary
attachment areas. Jim Barrett noted the satellite attendance elements for Stanton
and Uncas Elementary Schools as well as the large ranges attributed to the
Huntington and Moriarty Elementary catchment areas. Jim Barrett overviewed the
student density zones of the catchment locations. Jim Barrett noted a desire by DRA
to better align enrollments across facilities and stated that some enrollments are
currently too small to be effective at the elementary level. Jim Barrett stated the
current options are not fiscally or logically possible, do not provide parity across the
district, the building do not meet guidelines for room sizes and the projected
enrollment would stretch some of the schools. Jim Barrett discussed the ideal size of
an elementary school for fostering student growth as not more than 800 students,
with the target being 300 to 500 students, which would serve a balanced mix of
students within the community. Jim Barrett stated in planning for populations of
over 400 students designs that include smaller learning environments within larger
facilities should be utilized such as freestanding small school;, small schools within
one building with shared administration; or a school within a school with each
having its own administration.
Jim Barrett stated DRA developed three considerable approaches including the
existing configuration of seven elementary schools with 300 students each; four
elementary schools of 550 to 600 students each; or three elementary schools with
7o0 students each. Jim Barrett stated the direction from the School Building
Committee (2020) was to proceed with developing a plan for four elementary
schools.
Gregory Smolley stated if the city was to maintain the existing buildings all aside
from Kelly Middle School would require an investment and would not address
educational shortfalls or code requirements. Gregory Smolley noted that if buildings
are not fully renovated code requirements would not need to be addressed. Gregory
Smolley continued that only three of out of the seven existing elementary school
buildings would work for an OSCG&R compliant program. Gregory Smolley stated
that projected costs for repairs and maintenance did not include expansion. Gregory
Smolley added that total renovation was also not included and provided limited
opportunity for state grants.
Gregory Smolley discussed options for repairing the existing Stanton Elementary
School. Gregory Smolley stated the existing building would require an
approximately 16 million dollar investment over the next 20 years, which accounted
for the recent paint work, boiler replacements, and other upgrades that occurred.
Gregory Smolley noted that the building still had great improvement needs
regardless of any recent work that had been done.
Gregory Smolley stated the approximate cost for repairing the existing Moriarty
Elementary School would be 18.5 million dollars over the next 20 years. Gregory
Smolley stated that some investments would be needed sooner than others due to
the state of the building.
Gregory Smolley stated the approximate cost to repair all existing buildings,
including Kelly Middle School as it will see aging overing the next 20 years, would
be 197.7 million dollars, or 165 million not including Kelly Middle School. Gregory
Smolley noted that the projected cost spread over 20 years does not include
escalation allowances. Gregory Smolley stated the project start dates were open to
change but that there is a limited window available. Gregory Smolley continued that
with this option the work would take place in occupied schools and multiple schools
at the same time.
Gregory Smolley stated the developed plan programmed the proposed elementary
schools to provide appropriately sized spaces; inclusive and flexible learning areas;
outdoor learning and play opportunities; room for SPED; incorporate STEAM and
project based learning. Gregory Smolley added the new school building program
was established through educational programming with district leadership;
considered OSCG&R guidelines as the basis for its beginning; provides spaces for
programs that OSCG&R may not recognize; accommodates different educations
pedagogies and methodologies; and provides a starting point for the planning
process.
Gregory Smolley stated that the three school option looked at an enrollment of 700
students and the four schools of 525 students, but both options included the
renovation of Teacher’s Middle School. Gregory Smolley presented a comparison of
the conceptual programs in terms of enrollment versus the OSCG&R compliant and
working program. Gregory Smolley noted that only Huntington would work with the
7o0 student model to fit OSCG&R compliance, while two schools would work using
the 525 student model. Gregory Smolley stated the starting point did not lend well
to the renovating process opposed to reutilization of the sites. Gregory Smolley
showcased site evaluations for enrollment density of the proposed sites. Gregory
Smolley noted that the four school option would include Uncas Elementary School,
while the three school model did not. Gregory Smolley reviewed geographical and
physical encroachments on the sites including wetlands, slopes and other factors.
Gregory Smolley noted that the Golden Street site presented challenges in regards to
grading, but was desirable for its location. Gregory Smolley stated a new building
would be designed to suit the site. Gregory Smolley added that all options presented
were proofs of concept, not the sole way to utilize the sites.
Gregory Smolley stated that the projected costs and project schedules were similar
between the options. Gregory Smolley stated the new construction area was about
equal, but that scheduling for construction may be simpler with the four new school
options. Gregory Smolley stated the site costs for three schools would be higher per
school while the building costs for four schools might be higher per school. Gregory
Smolley stated that staffing costs would need to be investigated further.
Mark Jeffko from O&G Industries stated that building fewer schools would be the
cheaper option, however when looking at the overall value of the project the impact
on the program would be a fairly insignificant amount. Gregory Smolley discussed
the estimated cost and what options meant in regards to grant funding. Gregory
Smolley noted the cost presented was a ‘worse case’ scenario and that legislative
actions could be taken to address grant funding. Mark Jeffko went through the
breakdown of the draft invoice showing the total project cost, reimbursement
reduction, the state allowable square footage per student, the net eligible cost, the
estimated state reimbursement and the estimated total cost to the city. Mark Jeffko
stated the cost to the city of Norwich for a new school at Golden Street would be
approximately $23,768,920; a new school at the Stanton site would be $26,017,058;
an addition or renovation to Teachers Middle School would be $32,121,673; and a
renovation and change to an administration building at Huntington would be
$15,587,711. Mark Jeffko continued that the cost to the city of Norwich for a new
school at the Moriarty site would be $25,279,279 and a new school at the Uncas site
would be $26,285,958. Mark Jeffko noted that the cost for Teachers Middle School
is to renovate the building as new. President Pro Tem DeLucia asked what the
approximate cost was to renovate as new versus new construction. Mark Jeffko
responded that O&G examined that option for Moriarty and that the new building
came to $64,204,445 versus $64,128,000 for renovation as new. Mark Jeffko stated
the costs were very close, however renovation includes new additions so the new
construction skewed the cost slightly. Gregory Smolley noted that renovation would
require swing space which increases cost due to the displacement of students during
renovations. Mark Jeffko added that there were different reimbursement options for
building new versus renovating as new, and there was a higher reimbursement rate
based on the level status of building or school. Discussion ensued on the progression
of educational needs. Peter Gauthier asked if the reimbursement reduction for
renovation was similar to building new. Mark Jeffko responded that renovation
would increase the square footage of the overall building which causes
reimbursement to decrease from the state. Greg Smolley noted the city had a
fortunate standing of not being the first urban district to address all schools at once,
which meant there was a precedent at state level. Mark Jeffko stated a new school
on the Moriarty and Uncas sites would be an approximate 149 million dollar cost to
the city versus a 381.55 million dollar total project cost. Peter Gauthier asked if there
was a capital plan in the city to address building maintenance costs. Mark
Bettencourt responded there was not and discussed the history of the School
Building Committee from 2015 onward. Bob Sierpinski discusses ongoing
maintenance issues at the existing schools and stated that big ticket items continued
to occur as time progressed. Mark Kulos stated the Committee should present an
escalated cost for all schools over a 20 year period to provide a clear comparison.
Alderwoman Stacy Gould noted the comparison would be for the city to spend 165
million dollars over 20 years to repair schools that don’t suit its needs to to spend
149 million dollars on new schools that will meet its needs for the next few decades.
Gregory Carabine asked President Pro Tem DeLucia the cost would be to taxpayers
or how that would be calculated. Mark Bettencourt responded that the city
comptroller would calculate that based on the numbers that were provided to him.
Gregory Carabine discussed potential disbursement of bond sales by the city
depending on the project schedule. Discussion ensued on schedule components.
Gregory Smolley concluded that the renovation option project cost would be
$160,285,000 with all being covered by the city, as none of the work would qualify
for grants. Gregory Smolley continued that the new building project total cost would
be $381,060,599 with the city being responsible for approximately $149,060,599 as
all work would qualify for construction grants. Gregory Smolley noted that future
work at Kelly Middle School was not included in their calculations.
V. Public Comment / Questions and Answers: Robert Bell of 65 Main Street
stated he liked the new build options and appreciated the focus on a new school in
Greenville school. Robert Bell stated he felt there was a large opportunity for cost
savings on busing students in the area and there was a possibility of more grants
available from the state through further legislation in Hartford. Robert Bell stated
he thought the plan sounded good and appreciated the work put in.
VI. Discussion and action on the master plan: Mark Kulos discussed bond
costs and noted that reimbursement would not be provided until after the building
was constructed. Gregory Smolley responded that reimbursement no longer worked
that way and that it is paid out as the project progresses. Gregory Smolley stated the
city would be obligated to the entire amount at the bonding referendum and that the
state would pay their share of that. Gregory Smolley clarified that the adoption of
the master plan did not prohibit flexibility, as it simply adhered the city to a four
elementary and two middle school program.
President Pro Tem DeLucia to adopt the master plan created by Drummey Rosane
Anderson, Inc as presented, for four elementary and two middle schools.
Alderwoman Gould seconded. The chairman called the roll of members present and
all were in favor. The motion passed unanimously.
VII. Discussion/Action - Report to the City Council: Mark Bettencourt stated
he would like to ask DRA to present to the council on July 5th. President Pro Tem
DeLucia stated that because the plan would include bond counsel and an ordinance,
he would like to see the reading and public hearing occur no later than the first
council meeting in August. Mayor Peter Nystrom stated the second council meeting
in August would be the last chance to push the plan forward without changing the
ordinance, as the plan needs to go to the state September 1, 2022 to be on the
November 2022 voting ballot. President Pro Tem DeLucia discussed holding an
informational session prior to the council meeting or starting the meeting early.
Discussion ensued on presenting to council without the ordinance information at
the July 5th council meeting at 6PM. Mayor Nystrom noted if the bond counsel can
be provided the language to review and present to city counsel prior to the second
July council meeting things could stay on schedule. Discussion ensued. Mayor
Nystrom suggested holding an additional informational session following the
presentation to council for public question and answer. A decision was made for
DRA to present to city council on Tuesday July 5, 2022 from 6 to 7PM with a
question and answer session for city council. A decision was also made to hold a
public informational session on July 11, 2022 and the first reading to city council to
occur on July 18, 2022.
VIII. Adjournment: Alderwoman Stacy Gould made a motion to adjourn the
regular meeting at 8:01 PM. Mark Kulos seconded. seconded. The chairman called
the roll of members present and all were in favor. The motion passed unanimously.
Respectfully Submitted, Katherine Rose
Agenda
City of Norwich
School Building Committee (2020)
Special Meeting
Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 6:30pm
At the Kelly STEAM Magnet Middle School Community Room
25 Mahan Drive, Norwich CT 06360
Also available virtually via Zoom
See page 2 for instructions.
1. Call to order: Determination of a quorum
2. Approval of minutes from previous meetings.
3. Status update by DRA representative Jim Barrett and Greg Smolley
4. Public comment / questions and answers
5. Discussion and action on the master plan
6. Discussion/Action: Report to the City Council
7. Adjournment
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