School Building Committee (2020)
Regular MeetingNorwich, CT · January 23, 2024
Minutes
School Building Committee (2020)
Regular Meeting
City Hall, R00m 335
100 Broadway, Norwich, CT
And via ZOOM
Tuesday, January 23, 2024
6:30 PM
Committee Members Present: Chairman Mark Bettencourt, President Pro Tem Joe DeLucia,
Stacy Gould, William Hull (ZOOM), Gregory Ballassi, Shiela Hayes, Cindy Beauregard (ZOOM),
Christine DiStasio (ZOOM), Gregory Carabine, Peter Gauthier (ZOOM) and Mark Kulos (ZOOM).
Committee Members Absent: None.
Ex-Officio Members Present: Mayor Peter Nystrom and City Purchasing Agent Bob Castronova.
Consultants Present: James Barrett and Greg Smolley from DRA; Jeff Anderson (ZOOM) from
Downes Construction; and Mike Faenza and Jim Guliano (ZOOM) from CSG.
Citizens Present: Christopher Fryxell from Associated Builders and Contractors of CT.
I.Call to Order and Quorum:
Chairman Mark Bettencourt called the meeting to order at 6:31 PM.
II.Approval of Previous Meeting Minutes: Stacy Gould made a motion to approve the
December 19, 2023 meeting minutes as written, with some amendments. Gregory Carabine
seconded. The chairman called the roll of members present and all were in favor. Gregory
Carabine abstained. The motion passed.
III.Public Comment: None.
IV.Presentation from Christopher Fryxell (Assoc. Builders and Contractors of CT)
against Project Labor Agreements: Christopher Fryxell from the Associated Builders and
Contractors of Connecticut (ABC) explained that his group was a national volunteer trade
association composed of commercial industrial contractors, with roughly 245 member
companies in the state that represent merit shop construction. Christopher Fryxell continued
that members of ABC believed that contracts should be awarded to the lowest responsible
bidder regardless of their labor affiliation.
Christopher Fryxell stated that the Project Labor Agreement (PLA) is a unique pre-bid hiring
contract that sets forth specific requirements which are not found within most construction
projects. Christopher Fryxell stated that PLA’s were prohibited in 25 states due to their
‘discriminatory’ nature. Christopher Fryxell stated a PLA must be signed by all contractors who
are then required to adhere to union work rules as well as recognize the union as their
representative on the job, pay into the union benefit fund and hire from the union hall.
Christopher Fryxell stated that these terms harm open shop contractors and their employees,
which lends them to not bidding on those jobs. Christopher Fryxell read aloud from a
presentation put on screen for all to view stating, “a record 89.3% of the US Construction
industry is not part of a union and that in Connecticut 86.2% of the construction workforce
industry is open shop.”
Christopher Fryxell stated that PLA’s were supported by unions, which directly benefit from
the pre-bid contracts as they guarantee millions of dollars of contract value without the fear of
competition. Christopher Fryxell noted that his presentation was not a debate of union versus
non-union, but everyone versus a select group. Christopher Fryxell stated that without a PLA in
place all qualified members of construction would have an opportunity to bid on a job, union or
not.
Christopher Fryxell stated that there was not any existing OSHA data that proved a PLA would
deliver an accident free construction project. Christopher Fryxell noted that with or without a
PLA the same OSHA certifications would be required and in place. Christopher Fryxell noted
that PLA’s often prohibited the building trades from strikes and lockout that would lead to
work stoppage or delays, but according to the Labor Action Tracker by Cornell University’s
School of Industrial and Labor Relations there had been no construction strikes in the state
since they began collecting data.
Christopher Fryxell noted that this project would be a prevailing wage job and explained that
Connecticut state law mandated that employees be paid the prevailing wage and appropriate
fringe benefit on public projects in excess of one million dollars, whether or not a PLA was in
place. Christopher Fryxell stated that state law governed wages, benefits, work classification
and insurance regardless of the use of a PLA.
Christopher Fryxell stated that open shop contractors had a need to take advantage of
apprenticeship programs to ensure their workforce. Christopher Fryxell noted that 17 years
prior ABC founded the Construction Education Center (CEC) which offered training including
OSHA, Continuing Education, professional development and apprenticeship Christopher
Fryxell noted that the CEC was approved by the CT Commissioner of Higher Education to
operate as a private occupational school. Christopher Fryxell stated there were many other
avenues in the state for non-union training as well. Christopher Fryxell stated that ABC
members as a whole had invested $1.5 billion dollars in workforce development. Christopher
Fryxell stated that a project without a PLA had access to all qualified apprenticeship programs
and apprentices, both through open shops and unions. Christopher Fryxell added that ABC
actively worked to push for mork access to apprenticeships through changes in state
legislature, as current state law required the hiring of three journeymen to one apprentice after
the initial apprenticeship ratio is met.
Christopher Fryxell continued that despite promises otherwise, a PLA would at best include
“good faith effort” language to hire local labor on the project and there were no consequences if
the goals were to fall short. Christopher Fryxell stated that the hiring of local workers was a
reasonable goal for any municipality to have and did not require a PLA in place to work
towards that goal. Christopher Fryxell noted that the construction industry was facing a critical
shortage of skilled labor and that estimates show an additional 650,000 construction workers
were needed nationwide to meet the current demand and backlog. Christopher Fryxell
continued that given this, the current climate was the worst time to remove 80% of the
construction agency from working on the project by utilizing a PLA.
Christopher Fryxell reported that there were There are 531 Minority Business Enterprises
(MBE) and Small Business Enterprises (SBE) certified, DAS prequalified contractors in the
state of Connecticut, and of those only 106 (20%) were union contractors. Christopher Fryxell
continued that in terms of limited to only MBE, there were 232 certified, DAS qualified
contractors in the state and only 47 of those were union. Christopher Fryxell stated in New
London County there were only 31 SBE / MBE DAS prequalified contractors and only two of
them were union.
Christopher Fryxell reported that it was often stated utilizing a PLA would bring a job in on
time and on budget, but no guarantees existed for either. Christopher Fryxell continued that a
PLA would place no guarantee that a project would be completed within a set budget.
Christopher Fryxell stated there were multiple instances of a PLA garnering disinterest from
bidders which required trade packages to be rebid and subsequently leading to construction
delays, prior to a project starting.
Christopher Fryxell reported that the Beacon Hill Institute completed a study in 2020, in
which they reviewed 95 Connecticut school construction projects between 2001 and 2019, and
concluded that the use of PLA’s were responsible for a 20% increase in cost in comparison to
projects that did not require a PLA. Christopher Fryxell continued that another study
completed by the Rand Corporation examined the effect PLA’s had on the construction of
affordable housing projects within Los Angeles. Christopher Fryxell stated that this study
found that the use of PLA’s reduced the total housing produced and increased the budget by
14.5 percent. Christopher Fryxell discussed the results of other studies that were addressed at
the previous meeting; The Effect of Project Labor Agreements on the Cost of School
Construction in New England (2005); Project LAbor Agreements in New York State: In the
Public Interest (2009); San Diego Unified School District Study; and noted how the data did
not favor the use of PLA or PSA’s.
Christopher Fryxell discussed the ways a PLA can increase costs such as in regards to labor, as
open shop contractors are not able to utilize most or all of their existing workforce.
Christopher Fryxell added that union work rules were inefficient in regards to multi-skilled
working. Christopher Fryxell stated that in addition, open shop contractors who pursue jobs
with a PLA in place face double health and pension costs, as well as compliance and
competitive costs.
Christopher Fryxell stated that a PLA depresses competition as most of the construction
industry in the state is open shop and that fewer bidders result in less competition in the
bidding process, and ultimately higher costs. Christopher Fryxell read aloud a quote, shown on
screen for all to view, from Mark Jepko, the Project Coordinator at O&G, which was made
during a January 2019 meeting of the Middletown’s Woodrow Wilson Middle School Building
Committee, which stated “At bid time, when you expect 7 or 8 bids, you get 3 or 4; the more
bids, the more competitive the bidder for the project.” Christopher Fryxell added that while
Connecticut law states that all contractors union and non-union are allowed to bid on a project
with a PLA it does not necessarily occur in practice. Christopher Fryxell explained that open
shop contractors tend not to bid on PLA jobs due to reasons such as union hiring
requirements; union representation and work rules; union contribution requirements; and the
double benefit payment. Christopher Fryxell stated that a PLA requires that open shop
contractors hire from the union hall, even though they already have career-based employees.
Christopher Fryxell continued that union representation requires contractors to recognize the
union as the representative on the job and that all employees abide by the archaic efficient
work rules of the union. Christopher Fryxell explained that open shop workers typically excel at
multi-skilling, which was an area where open shop workers could produce work more
efficiently. Christopher Fryxell stated that PLA requires non-signatory contractors to pay
health and welfare fringe benefits to the union benefit funds, even if they have existing high
quality plans. Christopher Fryxell explained that while working on a PLA project a contractor is
required to pay into their employees 401(k) and healthcare plans, as well as contribute to the
union plan. Chairman Mark Bettencourt questioned if those benefits could not be waived
within a PLA. Christopher Fryxell responded that not all of the benefits could. President Pro
Tem Joe DeLucia noted that he did not believe this was fact, to which Chairman Mark
Bettencourt agreed. Discussion ensued. Christopher Fryxell added that if a contractor does
contribute to a defined benefit program and it is not fully funded they face a withdrawal
liability due to their responsibility for their share of the unfunded vested benefits. Christopher
Fryxell continued that if an open shop contractor brings an employee onto a PLA job they are
required to pay into the union representation fund. Christopher Fryxell stated this was another
point that prevented open shop contractors from bidding on PLA projects. Christopher Fryxell
reported that a recent study found that open shop workers on PLA projects are subject to
paying those funds which could amount to as much as 34% of their compensation package.
Christopher Fryxell continued that these workers are required to pay into pension allocation,
union dues withholding, the healthcare premium and they are not getting a return on those
funds. President Pro Tem DeLucia noted again that this was not factual. Chairman Bettencourt
stated that while that statistic could be true in some cases it was not something being
considered for the school project PLA. President Pro Tem DeLucia noted that concern was very
important and was something questioned by committee members.
Christopher Fryxell reported that multi-employer pension programs (MEPP) were in trouble
and that President Biden had included a 94 billion dollar bailout for MEPP’s. Christopher
Fryxell stated that under federal law if a MEPP was considered to be critical and declining
status, critical status or endangered status, notice must be provided to its participants.
Christopher Fryxell continued that based on notices issued in 2021, that are shown on the DOL
website, 35 of 61 MEPPs in critical and declining status; 40 of 83 MEPPs in critical status; and
35 of 43 MEPPs in endangered status were in the construction industry. Christopher Fryxell
stated that additionally the pension plans are not owned by the employee, so that after
retirement if a former employee seeks new employment that is not union approved, their
pension can be taken away.
Christopher Fryxell discussed other non union groups with similar stances in regards to PLA’s
and what the data collected overtime has shown. Christopher Fryxell discussed survey statistics
taken by the Associated General Contractors of their members such as 88% of members
responded that a PLA would raise costs compared to 0% responding it would lower costs; and
78% responding it would be harder to find workers and subs on a PLA project compared to 3%
who responded it would be easier.
Christopher Fryxell discussed a statement from the former Chief of Staff for Administration
and Finance at the University of Connecticut (UCONN) who mentioned that PLA’s raised the
cost of a project somewhere around 10% or more, and that UCONN actively tried to limit the
use of PLA’s within political viability. Christopher Fryxell reported the UCONN South Campus
Residence Hall project, which had no PLA in place, is on schedule and in its 215 million dollar
budget for July 2024 completion. Christopher Fryxell compared this to the Mansfield
Apartments project that was put out to bid in December 2022 with a 265 million dollar budget
and had a PLA attached late in the project which brought the budget to 295 million dollars.
Christopher Fryxell continued that low bids came in at over 315 million dollars and the project
was ultimately pulled. Chairman Mark Bettencourt noted that he did feel there was a big
difference in the timelines of the projects in regards to construction commencing and a bid
being issued.
Christopher Fryxell stated the cost a PLA could have on the Norwich school projects is
potential overrun costs; the value of engineering and scope reduction; and delays on the
project timelines. Christopher Fryxell listed off various case studies on local projects that
utilized the use of a PLA and what the varying results were. Christopher Fryxell noted the point
of his example was to show that the use of a PLA did not guarantee a project would be done on
time or within budget, and that in certain cases projects had to be rebid.
Gregory Carabine asked if only union workers could be hired under a PLA. Christopher Fryxell
responded that union contractors will not hire open shop subcontractors, and the open shop
subcontractors do not want to work on PLA projects. Christopher Fryxell continued that the
open shop contractors are legally allowed to work on PLA projects but they did not desire to.
Gregory Carabine questioned how many projects without a PLA would have the same negative
results as the PLA projects referenced. Christopher Fryxell stated the examples chosen were to
show that when a PLA is signed there is an increase in cost and his question to the committee is
what is gained by that cost. Discussion ensued. President Pro Tem DeLucia stated it sounded as
though non-union shops could bid on the projects but chose not to. President Pro Tem DeLucia
noted that the charge of the committee was to support the budget approved for getting schools
built. Shiela Hayes asked if there was information available on the amount of minorities and
women employees by the members of the ABC, to which Christopher Fryxell responded that
data was not collected.
Christopher Fryxell noted three local projects that did not utilize a PLA and were successful in
a sense of quality and value; South Windsor Orchard Hill School, Rocky Hill Moser School and
Stamford Strawberry Hill School. Christopher Fryxell stated that the ABC believes that facts
show that not using a PLA allows everyone to work on a project with qualified contractors and
workers having the opportunity to do so.
Chairman Mark Bettencourt stated he would like to try to duplicate the hiring of Norwich
residents and the job training offered within a PLA. Chairman Bettencourt asked how that
could be achieved without a PLA. Christopher Fryxell responded that local hire goals could be
included in a contract without a PLA, which would be monitored by city administration.
Christopher Fryxell added that the state has strict licensing in regards to state residents
working on projects, but there is a true worker shortage which makes it difficult to prevent any
out of state workers regardless of a PLA. Christopher Fryxell stated that in terms of job
training, ABC members were seeking workers and were very invested in workforce
development. Christopher Fryxell reiterated that ABC offers the CEC training school, which is
registered with the Office of Higher Education and works closely with the Department of
Labor.
Peter Gauthier asked if there was a more inclusive list of projects to better support the
conclusion that PLA’s do not present a benefit. Christopher Fryxell responded that he did not
have that readily available.
President Pro Tem DeLucia noted projects in Greenwich, Darien, Cromwell, and Farmington
which did not utilize PLA’s and were either over budget, delayed or both. Christopher Fryxell
stated that he would attribute those delays to construction not being a perfect industry and
noted that a PLA does not offer any further guarantees than projects without them.
Christopher Fryxell stated that examples of projects could be found both in support and
against the use of PLA’s, but felt a PLA restricted the pool of bidders. President Pro Tem
DeLucia asked how many contractors that would be eligible to bid and perform on public
school projects were affiliated with ABC. Christopher Fryxell said he was not able to answer as
he could not say who would bid on a project. Discussion ensued.
Peter Gauthier asked if Chairman Bettencourt could follow up and get a definitive answer
regarding the 34% of a contractors payment package statistic in regards to open shops paying
into union funds. Chairman Bettencourt responded he would follow up with the union
representative.
Christopher Fryxell concluded that the committee should want the most competitive bidding
process possible, where 100% of qualified contractors have the opportunity to compete, as
competition will get the city the best project for its spend.
V.Report from CSG: Mike Faenza reported that a lot of progress was made in terms of design.
Mike Faenza stated that preliminary testing was underway for each site and that boring for the
Greeneville site was completed that day. Mike Faenzea stated that test holes were dug on the
Greeneville site just around the time of the recent flooding.
Mark Kulos arrived via ZOOM at 7:43 PM.
Mike Faenza stated that the boring rig was on site on Stanton School and the test holes would
be dug soon. Mike Faenza reported the Phase 1 Environmental Site Assessment was performed
at Stanton. Mike Faenza stated he was meeting with the working group from the Board of
Education administration and they had last met about two weeks prior. Mike Faenza stated the
architecture team was working on getting drawings completed for schematic design to be done.
Mike Faenza reported that additional feedback was received from the state in regards to the
grant applicants in which they requested additional information such as a breakdown of the
cost of the projects included in the 385 million dollar referendum, and other items. Chairman
Bettencourt noted that the state’s expectation was for all applications, payments and otherwise
to be funneled through the Superintendent’s office.
VI.Report from DRA: James Barrett touched upon recent surveys collected for both sites including
traffic studies and boring. James Barrett reported that the recent focus for DRA had been on
the schematic design package they were assembling for the end of the month.
James Barrett showed the adjusted Greeneville floor plan on screen for all to view. James
Barrett noted that prior schemes showed the gym on the opposite side of the building but due
to safety and children moving from gym related activities out to playgrounds, hard surface play
and grass areas, the current configuration allows for movement without cross traffic. James
Barrett stated it was a simple adjustment that lended better to the site plan in general.
James Barrett stated the first floor plan had not changed much with pre-k, kindergarten and
grade one at the first floor level along with the main entrance for visitors and drop-off space.
James Barrett stated the second level held grades two and three with the third floor hosting
grades four and five, along with a connection to the gym.
James Barrett noted an issue at the Greeneville site was the tremendous amount of grading
and showed on screen for all to view a series of tiered grading steps to cover the 30 foot
differential. James Barrett showed an aerial overview of three story option massing for the
Greeneville site on screen for all to view and discussed grading.
James Barrett showed a diagram of the buildable zones of the Stanton Site on screen for all to
view, and noted the immense amount of wetlands flagged by the soil scientist. James Barrett
showed the proposed configuration of the site plan on screen for all to view and discussed the
layout. James Barrett noted the first floor plan for Stanton held pre-k, kindergarten, first
grade, second grade and extra curricular spaces. James Barrett continued that the second floor
plan for Stanton held grades three through five along with the media center.
James Barrett stated that the focus for DRA over the last few weeks was on elevational studies
for both sites and showed conceptual diagrams on screen for all to view. James Barrett stated
the Greeneville site presented topography constraints so the focus there was to answer how the
building could be modulated. James Barrett presented rough sketches on screen for all to view.
James Barrett noted the concepts for Greeneville addressed the idea of utilizing design to
lessen the appearance of the size of the building. Jim Barrett suggested utilizing two different
materials to help break up the composition of the building and showed various rendering
configurations on screen for all to view. James Barrett discussed potential materials such as
terra cost plank rainscreen systems, masonry and glass.
James Barrett presented conceptual designs for Stanton on screen for all to view, in which they
utilized a similar window grouping and approach as Greeneville, to allow accessible views for
all heights of students. James Barrett discussed the proposed design.
Mark Kulos asked, although it was early in the design process, if DRA considered the use of
solar tube lighting to bring natural light into interior spaces. Jim Barrett responded there were
some interior spaces that would benefit from that and they could definitely take the idea into
consideration.
Gregory Ballassi asked how the academic wing in Stanton was separated from the
extracurricular areas, as was done in the Greeneville design. James Barrett responded that
separation was still being developed, but fire doors would be utilized to separate the wing.
Discussion ensued.
Gregory Carabine asked the consultants, within their experiences, if they felt a PLA worked on
their past projects or not. Greg Smolley responded he was involved with some of the projects
referenced in the presentation, on both sides, and that he had done work under both scenarios.
Mike Faenza agreed. Greg Smolley noted that he did agree with Chairman Bettencourt’s
assessment that recent data could be skewed by the impact of COVID. James Barrett stated
that over his 40 year career most projects he worked on did not involve a PLA, but some of his
projects were cited in the presentation.
James Barrett reported that DRA would be delivering their schematic design packaged the
following Wednesday.
Gregory Ballassi asked if the one way to access the rear play area and parent drop off at
Greeneville was through the building, or if an egress or otherwise was planned. James Barrett
responded one was not currently envisioned, but it was something to consider. Greg Smolley
added that newer codes require access is available to all, so it was not a matter of only
achieving stairs but also a ramp which required a lot more grading and space.
VII.Report from Downes: Jeff Anderson reported that his team was anxiously awaiting the
schematic design set of documents so that they could develop a detailed estimate for the city.
Jeff Anderson stated that Downes had developed a schedule that they will hopefully be able to
track as they conclude that estimate, to ensure that they are staying in line with the remaining
cycles of drawing development as things progress towards the point of bidding and a
construction start date.
VIII.Invoices:
● CSG - Greeneville #10- $10,680.02
Stanton #10- $10,555.46
Shiela Hayes made a motion to approve CSG Invoice #10 for $10,680.02 for
Professional Services rendered December 1, 2023 - December 31, 2023 in regards to the
Greeneville Elementary School project. Stacy Gould seconded. The chairman called the
roll of members present and all were in favor. The motion passed unanimously.
Gregory Carabine made a motion to approve CSG Invoice #10 for $10,555.46 for
Professional Services rendered December 1, 2023 - December 31, 2023 in regards to the
Stanton Elementary School project. Shiela Hayes seconded. The chairman called the roll
of members present and all were in favor. The motion passed unanimously.
● DRA - Greeneville #3 (12/2023) - $118,367.50 (includes CLA invoice)
Stanton #3 (12/2023)- $96,525.31
Stacy Gould made a motion to approve DRA Invoice #3 for $118,367.50 for Professional
Services rendered December 1, 2023 - December 31, 2023 in regards to the Greeneville
Elementary School project. Shiela Hayes seconded. The chairman called the roll of
members present and all were in favor. The motion passed unanimously.
Stacy Gould made a motion to approve DRA Invoice #3 for $96,525.31 for Professional
Services rendered December 1, 2023 - December 31, 2023 in regards to the Stanton
Elementary School project. Shiela Hayes seconded. The chairman called the roll of
members present and all were in favor. The motion passed unanimously.
IX.Anything else to be brought before the committee: None.
X.Adjournment: Stacy Gould made a motion to adjourn at 8:23 PM. Shiela Hayes seconded. The
chairman called the roll of members present and all were in favor. The motion passed
unanimously.
Respectfully Submitted, Katherine Rose
Agenda
City of Norwich
School Building Committee (2020)
Regular Meeting
Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 6:30pm
City Hall, 100 Broadway, Rm 335
And virtually via Zoom
Please click on blue link to view document
1. Call to order: Determination of a quorum
2. Approval of minutes from previous meetings
(December 19)
3. Public Comment
4. Presentation from Christopher Fryxell (Assoc. Builders and Contractors of
CT) against Project Labor Agreements
5. Report from CSG
6. Report from DRA
7. Report from Downes
8. Invoices:
● CSG - Greeneville #10- $10,680.02
Stanton #10- $10,555.46
• DRA - Greeneville #3 (12/2023) - $118,367.50 (includes CLA invoice)
Stanton #3 (12/2023)- $96,525.31
9. Anything else to be brought before the committee.
10. Adjournment
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