School Building Committee (2020)
Regular MeetingNorwich, CT · July 16, 2024
Minutes
School Building Committee (2020)
Regular Meeting
City Hall, R00m 335
100 Broadway, Norwich, CT
And via ZOOM
Tuesday, July 16, 2024
6:30 PM
Committee Members Present: Chairman Mark Bettencourt, President Pro Tem Joe DeLucia,
Alderwoman Stacy Gould, Peter Gauthier (ZOOM), William Hull, Gregory Carabine, Gregory Ballassi,
Sheila Hayes (ZOOM), Mark Kulos and Cindy Beauregard.
Committee Members Absent: Christine DiStasio.
Ex-Officio Members Present: Superintendent Susan Lesard (ZOOM), Mayor Peter Nystrom,
Attorney Michael Driscoll, Mary Lou Rychling and Matthew Brown (ZOOM).
Consultants Present: James Barrett from DRA; Chip Natsis and Jeff Anderson from Downes
Construction; and Mike Faenza and Jim Guiliano from CSG.
Citizens Present: None.
I.Call to Order and Quorum: Chairman Mark Bettencourt called the meeting to order at 6:35
PM.
II.Approval of Minutes: William Hull made a motion to approve the June 18, 2024 meeting
minutes with some adjustments. Alderwoman Stacy Gould seconded. The chairman called the
roll of members present and all were in favor. The motion passed unanimously.
III.Public Comment: None.
IV.Report from CSG: Mike Faenza provided a project update packet to all members. Mike Faenza
reported that the Stanton Elementary design development drawing package had been
estimated and reconciled by Downes Construction and Tarbell Construction. Mike Faenza
stated that the project was approved at the special June Commission on City Planning (CCP)
meeting and the first payment requested was submitted to the state for reimbursement.
Mark Kulos arrived at 6:34PM.
Mike Faenza stated that the construction document phase for Stanton Elementary had begun
and the design team would continue to develop those drawings. Mike Faenza stated that to
date $1,356,946.20 had been spent on the Stanton Elementary project.
Mike Faenza stated the updates for the Greeneville project in regards to the design
development reconciliation, CCP project approval and reimbursement request were the same
as those for the Stanton project. Mike Faenza stated the construction document phase had also
commenced for the Greeneville school project. Mike Faenza stated that $1,284,166.32 had been
spent to date on the Greenville Elementary School project.
Mike Faenza reported that the grant application package for the Moriarty Elementary School
project was submitted to the state on June 28, 2024 prior to the June 30th deadline. Mike
Faenza stated the project estimates were updated to reflect a lower elementary enrollment,
which was reviewed by the district administration. Mike Faenza stated the current enrollment
analysis indicates an enrollment of 541 students may be possible pending a review by a
certified demographer. Mike Faenza stated that enrollment data would continue to be analyzed
and confirmed to determine if the building could be constructed smaller. Mike Faenza stated
that the project update packet included a proposal from CSG for a peer review of the
enrollment data from the master plan, enrollment update and district historical enrollment for
consideration. Mike Faenza stated the packet also included the district enrollment analysis for
review.
Mike Faenza stated that the grant application for the Uncas Elementary School project was
submitted to the state on June 28, 2024. Mike Faenza reported that the project estimates for
Uncas were also updated to reflect a lower elementary school enrollment, and that the current
analysis showed an enrollment of 541 students may be possible pending a review by a certified
demographer. Mike Faenza stated that the enrollment data would continue to be analyzed and
confirmed. Mike Faenza reiterated that the packet included a proposal from CSG for a peer
review of the enrollment data from the master plan, enrollment update and district historical
enrollment for consideration and the district enrollment analysis for review.
Mike Faenza stated the last project included in their update was the design and construction of
a new or renovated-as-new middle school on the current Teacher’s Memorial Magnet Middle
School site. Mike Faenza stated that the CSG team had been developing estimates for both
scenarios. Mike Faenza stated that the current enrollment analysis, developed in coordination
with the district administration, called for 500 students or 84,000 square feet for the new or
renovated building. Mike Faenza stated this analysis would also need to be confirmed by a
certified demographer. Mike Faenza stated that the associated documents, peer review
proposal and both concept estimates were included in the provided packet.
Sheila Hayes joined the meeting via ZOOM at 6:39PM.
● Report on enrollment projection impacts
Mike Faenza stated that the original master plan estimate with the original enrollments
put the overall school project at $385,000,000. Mike Faenza stated the grant
application estimates together put the school project total at $412,981,929. Mike Faenza
continued that the schematic design estimate by Downes Construction brought that
amount to $434,997,998 and the Downes design development estimate brought the cost
down to $434,405,578.
Mike Faenza stated that the overall project cost with the updated enrollment analysis for
Moriarty and Uncas schools, and the consideration of a new school at the Teacher’s
Memorial Magnet Middle School site, put the grant estimate at $379,773,123; the
schematic design estimate at $398,315,543; and the design development estimate at
$397,723,123.
Mike Faenza reported that construction program budget with the same updated
enrollment analysis for the two elementary schools and the consideration of renovating
the Teachers’ Memorial Magnet Middle School as-new put the grant estimate at
$371,016,566; the schematic design estimate at $389,558,986; and the design
development estimate at $388,966,566.
Mark Kulos asked why the comparisons shown were not apples-to-apples, as he noted
the updated proposed budgets showed the contingency amount at zero dollars. Mike
Faenza responded there were no contingency funds available as that money was being
put towards the existing project that was already over the original authorization.
Chairman Mark Bettencourt stated that the projects still contained contingencies for a
construction manager, design estimates and architect. Mike Faenza stated that the CSG
estimator was on the Teacher’s site on July 9, 2024 to assess the layout of the school for
developing the estimates for a new building or renovating as-new. Mike Faenza noted
that the Master Plan estimate for Teacher’s Memorial Magnet Middle School called for
an 87,000 square foot building plus a 40,000 square foot addition which would host
much more than 500 students. Mike Faenza stated he was unsure if there was
something accounted for that he was unaware of, but that realization along with the
budget issues was when CSG started to look at the enrollment analysis. Mike Faenza
reviewed the enrollment analysis provided to members. Mike Faenza noted within the
Master Plan enrollment report, as well as the district-wide demographic study update,
he believed there was a formula error for the year 2023 all the way to the end of the
data. Mike Faenza explained the individual summary sheets were not updating correctly
to the master summary sheet, and as a result there was an inflated enrollment figure
that was 202 students higher than the number that should have been used. Mike Faenza
reiterated this would need to be confirmed by a certified demographer. Mike Faenza
stated that the only option moving forward would be to lower the enrollment at
Moriarty and Uncas to reflect the savings, which would also cause a reduction in the
construction costs. Mike Faenza stated that after speaking with the district
administration he used an enrollment number of 2,275 students to update the estimates
in the grant application phase to reflect the smaller building size.
President Pro Tem Joe DeLucia asked what the built-in contingency was for the
individual projects. Mike Faenza responded there was still a good remaining amount of
contingency built into the Stanton and Greeneville projects and there was an owner’s
contingency at the schematic design level of $3,505,983.00. Mike Faenza stated there
also remained a construction contingency at three percent and a five percent design and
estimating contingency. Discussion ensued.
Mike Faenza stated that a large component of the potential cost savings is what is
anticipated could occur, if confirmed by a demographer, at the Teachers’ Memorial site.
Mike Faenza stated the original Master Plan estimate for that site was $99,530,936 for a
roughly 128,000 square foot school. Mike Faenza stated that he and Susan Lessard
worked together to pinpoint the middle school enrollment number to better understand
what size school would really be needed. Mike Faenza stated they utilized the
enrollment at Kelly Middle School as a reference point, which had 651 students between
2020 and 2021. Mike Faenza stated they then took the remaining number within the
district enrollment to base what size school would be needed at the Teacher’s Middle
School site, which was 500 students based on the analysis they made. Mike Faenza
continued that the bus loop and parent drop off on the site would need to be addressed,
but they came to a determination that only an 84,000 square foot school would be
needed which led to the cost savings discussed.
Mike Faenza stated he reached out to a demographer to conduct a peer review on the
enrollment information and they provided a quote for that work. Mike Faenza stated
that the proposal is for a rate of $225 per hour, not to exceed ten hours total. Mike
Faenza stated that regardless of ordinances they would need correct numbers prior to
September 3, 2024 to move forward with the project. Mike Faenza stated that the
outcome of this could have an effect on one of the ordinances needing to request a lesser
amount. Discussion ensued.
Chairman Mark Bettencourt stated that the first two schools in the project were being
built at an 80 percent reimbursement rate from the state and the following two schools
would be the same. Chairman Bettencourt stated he was working with Senator Osten to
have the remaining schools in the project covered at that reimbursement rate as well.
President Pro Tem DeLucia stated investigation should be made into other funding
options available for components such as HVAC and electric at some of the sites,
specifically at Huntington School. Discussion ensued.
Susan Lessard stated that she and Mike Faenza met with the administration at Kelly
Middle School to review maps and landed at the enrollment numbers of 650 students at
Kelly Middle School, 550 students at Teacher’s Middle School and 332 school readiness
program slots. Discussion ensued. Susan Lessard added that she was not sure that the
total 25 million dollars allotted for the Huntington would be required to make the space
conform to special education and administration office space.
William Hull made a motion to allow CSG to reallocate money from multivista in their
specifications to cover up to $2,250 in cost for peer review of Norwich Public Schools
enrollment projections. Gregory Carabine seconded. The chairman called the roll of
members present and all were in favor. The motion passed unanimously.
V.Report from DRA: James Barrett reported that, as previously stated, value engineering had
been achieved for the Greeneville and Stanton projects using the recommendations voted on by
the committee in March. James Barrett stated they were able to hit the target values to lower
the cost of the projects. James Barrett stated they received approval letters on the projects from
the Inland, Wetlands and Watercourses Commission as well as the CCP. James Barrett stated
DRA was in the second phase of site evaluations which was environmental assessment related.
James Barrett presented the reporting numbers from the subsurface investigation on screen
for all to see and reviewed the data. James Barrett noted there were 22 test points throughout
the Greeneville site and discussed the different types of subsurface testing conducted and
samplings received. Chairman Bettencourt asked if there were any preliminary ideas of the
retaining wall at Greeneville. James Barrett responded there were and that had been included
in the cost estimation and they would be working with that data moving forward.
VI.Report from Downes: Chip Natsis stated Downes had worked hard over the past few weeks
with the drawings provided by DRA to fine tune their estimated numbers. Chip Natsis stated
the original schematic design budget for Stanton was 73 million dollars, which was about 7.5
million dollars over budget. Chip Natsis stated that Downes’ goal was to reduce the overall
budget by 4.1 million dollars by changing and eliminating certain aspects. Chip Natsis reported
that cost savings at the Greeneville site was more challenging due to the site related work
conditions. Chip Natsis stated the Greeneville schematic design budget originally was 82
million dollars which was two million over budget. Chip Natsis stated Downes’ goal was to
reduce the budget by 3.5 million dollars.
Chip Natsis explained that the schematic design estimate for the Stanton Project had 4.1
million dollars in reduction which put the budget at 58.1 million dollars and with additional
soft costs that amount came to 69.5 million dollars for the project. Chip Natsis reported that
after including value management items they were able to bring the construction costs for
Stanton down to 57.4 million which was $622,000 less than what his team was working to
achieve. Chip Natis continued that including soft costs the Stanton project now came to
approximately 2 million dollars over budget.
Chip Natsis reported that the Greeneville construction costs had increased slightly which he
felt was contributed to by the need to work around joint service areas included in the project,
the requirement of a traffic light for the site in addition to other site related items. Chip Natsis
stated that the Greeneville project budget was about $600,000 over their goal amount. Chip
Natsis stated Downes may be able to reduce costs in the retaining wall as the subsurface data
continued to be provided to them.
Chip Natsis reported that the Stanton project value management delta was $622,916; the
Greeneville project value management delta was negative $628,617; and the combined project
value management delta was negative $5,701.
Chip Natsis stated that overall there was approximately $5,000 more in cost than what they
were anticipating which included $700,000 in items Downes was unaware of at the time of the
schematic design phase. Mark Kulos asked if the price for the Greeneville site included
excavation, blasting and things of that nature. Discussion ensued.
VII.Discussion and potential action on any proposed scope changes if needed: Chairman
Bettencourt stated the committee received a referral from the city council on the two
ordinances but additional information was needed before action could be taken on those
proposals. Chairman Bettencourt explained that one proposal is to change the scope of the
overall project by eliminating the Teachers’ Memorial Magnet Middle School and
administration building projects for the time and working only on the four elementary schools.
Chairman Bettencourt stated that the second proposal was to continue with the entire project
with an increased bond amount. Chairman Bettencourt stated currently the committee did not
have solid numbers for those costs yet. Chairman Bettencourt stated they would have an
agreement with the peer review demographer the next day who would have a few weeks
turnaround to provide enrollment numbers. Chairman Bettencourt stated a special meeting
could be scheduled once that information was received to allow for discussion on the project
moving forward and if changes needed to occur.
VIII.Consent Agenda:
A. Invoices:
● CSG - Greeneville #16- $10,680.02
Stanton #16- $10,555.46
Moriarty #3 – $19,523.20
Uncas #3 - $15,000.00
DRA - Greeneville #9 - $184,403.77
Greeneville PSS (Professional Services) #1 - $3,191.25
Greeneville PSS #2 - $32,252.92
Greeneville PSS #3 - $1,788.66
Stanton #8 - $205,010.74
Stanton PSS #1 – $3,549.48
Stanton PSS #2 – $4,545.38
Stanton PSS #4 – $540.42
Mark Kulos made a motion to accept the consent agenda including the above invoices.
Alderwoman Stacy Gould seconded. The chairman called the roll of members present
and all were in favor. The motion passed unanimously.
IX.Anything else to be brought before the committee: Mike Faenza read into the record
Downes Invoice #000-4 for the Stanton Elementary School Project dated July 3, 2024 for
$32,609.67.
Gregory Carabine made a motion to approve the payment of the invoice. President Pro Tem
Joe DeLucia seconded. The chairman called the roll of members present and all were in favor.
The motion passed unanimously.
X.Adjournment: Alderwoman Stacy Gould made a motion to adjourn at 8:23 PM. Cindy
Beauregard seconded. The chairman called the roll of members present and all were in favor.
The motion passed unanimously.
Respectfully Submitted, Katherine Rose
Agenda
City of Norwich
School Building Committee (2020)
Regular Meeting
Tuesday, July 16, 2024 at 6:30pm
At City Hall, Room 335
100 Broadway
And virtually via Zoom
1. Call to order: Determination of a quorum
2. Approval of minutes from previous meeting (June 18, 2024)
3. Public Comment
4. Report from CSG
• Report on enrollment projection impacts
5. Report from DRA
6. Report from Downes
7. Discussion and potential action on any proposed scope changes if needed.
8. Consent Agenda:
A. Invoices
● CSG - Greeneville #16- $10,680.02
Stanton #16- $10,555.46
Moriarty #3 – $19,523.20
Uncas #3 - $15,000.00
• DRA - Greeneville #9 - $184,403.77
Greeneville PSS (Professional Services) #1 - $3,191.25
Greeneville PSS #2 - $32,252.92
Greeneville PSS #3 - $1,788.66
Stanton #8 - $205,010.74
Stanton PSS #1 – $3,549.48
Stanton PSS #2 – $4,545.38
Stanton PSS #4 – $540.42
9. Anything else to be brought before the committee.
10. Adjournment
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