City Council Workshop
Regular MeetingOakdale, MN · July 14, 2020
Minutes
WORKSHOP
OAKDALE CITY COUNCIL
July 14, 2020
ATTENDANCE
Present: Mayor Paul Reinke
Council Members: Jake Ingebrigtson
Susan Olson
Colleen Swedberg
Kevin Zabel
At 5 PM, the City Council toured the 2020 Acorn Award winning properties, as noted:
Public Category: Apostolic Bible Institute and Church, 6944 Hudson Boulevard
Residential Category: Lori Krause, 2671 Gresham Avenue
The City Council returned at 5:30 PM to Oakdale City Hall, 1584 Hadley Avenue North, Oakdale,
Minnesota, to conduct a workshop.
Also Present: Christina Volkers, City Administrator
Susan Barry, City Clerk
Alyssa MacLeod, Communications Specialist
Chelsea Petersen, Administrative Services Director
Bill Sullivan, Chief of Police
Julie Williams, Recreation Superintendent
Mobile Food Vendors License Fees
Administrative Services Director Petersen provided information on mobile food vendor fees from 10
area communities. She added that Oakdale’s current fees, $100 for single event and $300 for annual
event, could be reduced by eliminating the costs relating to the background investigation.
Administrative Services Director Petersen further added that staff would come back with a fee
recommendation in August.
Staff was asked to research whether background investigations are conducted by the county or state.
Farmers Market Time Change Options
City Administrator Volkers noted that staff would survey residents and vendors on whether to modify the
market hours from the current hours of 2 to 6 PM for 2021.
Council Member Swedberg shared comments from a market vendor, Parks and Recreation
commissioner, and resident supporting changing the hours to remain open later. (Attached).
In response to a question from Council Member Olson, Administrative Services Director Petersen
provided the fees paid by market vendors.
Council Member Olson asked about waiving fees as was done for mobile food vendors.
Council Member Zabel noted that the fees for mobile food vendors were waived due to the impact of
COVID-19.
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Administrative Services Director Petersen noted that the city covers farmers market vendor costs
associated with EBT so the farmers market vendors do not absorb that cost.
Live Streaming Meetings
Communications Specialist MacLeod provided a comparison between live streaming meetings on
Facebook and on YouTube. She added that the local cable commission was working on restoring the
live streaming of meetings on the Government Television Network (GTN). Communications Specialist
MacLeod recommended that YouTube would better meet the city’s needs as it was suited for long form
video, accessible to viewers without requiring an account, option to turn off comments, and videos may
be cross shared, and the city already has a YouTube channel.
Planning Commission Chair Dallas Pierson noted that Facebook owns all content.
Council Member Zabel noted that YouTube also owns all content.
Council Member Ingebrigtson supported using YouTube to live stream meetings.
Council Member Zabel supported using Facebook to live stream meetings and noted that the city’s
Facebook page would offer a built-in audience as there are currently 5,500 followers compared to only
six YouTube followers. He strongly supported allowing comments.
Communications Specialist MacLeod indicated that the number of followers on the city’s YouTube
channel would increase once meetings are available and reiterated that those without Facebook
accounts would not be able to view the meetings on Facebook. She inquired about expectations for the
city to respond to questions and comments posted during the meeting as input is sought during live
meetings at only specified times; she recommended not allowing postings as the city offers several
ways for the public to provide input and ask questions.
Council Member Olson preferred the YouTube model, but was unsure about whether or not to allow
comments.
In response to a comment from Council Member Zabel, Communications Specialist MacLeod noted that
she was developing a social media policy for the city.
In response to a question from Council Member Zabel on enabling comments after the meeting had
adjourned, Communications Specialist MacLeod recommended against doing so.
Council Member Zabel asked that staff ask the League of Minnesota Cities for guidance on handling
comments during and after live streamed meetings.
The City Council discussed ownership of comments and differences between a government account
versus an elected officials personal account.
Mayor Reinke supported the YouTube model and not allowing comments and asked the City Council to
weigh in their preferred live streaming model and whether or not to allow comments.
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Council Member Ingebrigtson supported live streaming on YouTube and not allowing comments. He
suggested that language be provided on the city’s YouTube page on how to submit comments to the
City Council and staff.
Council Member Swedberg supported live streaming on YouTube and not allowing comments.
Council Member Zabel supported live streaming on Facebook and allowing comments.
Council Member Olson supported live streaming on YouTube but was undecided on whether to allow
comments.
Communications Specialist MacLeod informed the City Council that she would contact the cable
company to let them know that live streaming of council and advisory body meetings on YouTube could
commence.
Council Member Olson asked that wording be included that comments are appreciated but not
permitted during live meeting.
Mayor Reinke asked that the matter regarding public comments be revisited in a year.
IT Services Proposal for Quotes
City Administrator Volkers recommended seeking multiple quotes from consultants to complete a full
review of IT services. She added that the quotes would be presented to the City Council.
Council Member Olson asked that proposals include data storage of police department bodycams.
Council Member Zabel asked to be provided with details on when security cameras at Tanners Park
were discussed and authorized.
In response to a question from Council Member Zabel, City Administrator Volkers noted that following
the conclusion of the IT Services Study, she would look into whether all the city’s equipment (monitors,
copiers, etc.) could be purchased from a single vendor.
Council Discussion
Upper 51st Commercial Truck Traffic
Council Member Swedberg shared a resident complaint about commercial truck traffic utilizing Upper
51st, which is signed for no commercial truck traffic, and suggested that businesses in the area be
asked to access Highway 36 via the frontage road.
Mayor Reinke noted that the ordinance restricting commercial truck traffic had been repealed in 2008;
however, the signs remained posted.
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City Administrator Volkers indicated she would talk to Public Works Director/City Engineer Bachmeier
about asking businesses to not utilize Upper 51st.
Parks and Recreation Commission Meetings
In response to a suggestion from Council Member Swedberg, Recreation Superintendent Williams noted
that she would look into holding Parks and Recreation Commission meetings at city parks on occasion.
Renting Ice Rink Time
In response to a suggestion from Council Member Swedberg, Recreation Superintendent Williams noted
that she is working with Parks Superintendent Koesling on a plan to rent ice time for practices.
Bond Sales
In response to a comment from Council Member Zabel, Administrative Services Director Petersen
explained that the difference in the bond sale amounts in the regular meeting materials resulted from
lesser bid amounts being awarded on select city projects.
City Administrator Volkers added that bonding later in the year does allow for accurate bond amounts
because purchases have been made or known most likely resulting in lesser bond issuance amounts
than earlier estimates.
Tanners Park
Council Member Olson expressed concern with comments on social media about the condition of
Tanners Park, particularly the presence of drug paraphernalia.
Recreation Superintendent Williams replied that the park has a bad reputation but noted that a recent
article in the Stillwater Gazette, written by Angie Hong talks about how great a park and lake it is.
Police Chief Sullivan indicated that he would provide the City Council with data on police calls to the
park relating to drug paraphernalia. He also noted that enforcement on the water fell under the purview
of the Washington County Sheriff’s Department.
In response to a suggestion from Council Member Zabel for the City Council to hold “meet and greet”
events at various parks, Recreation Superintendent Williams noted that the concept has been
discussed as part of the city’s new Neighborhood Preservation and Enhancement Initiative.
Proposed Ordinances
City Administrator Volkers noted that proposed ordinances would be brought to City Council workshops
for review and comment prior to posting on the city’s web page for public review.
Council Member Zabel asked that the proposed ordinance relating to accessory apartments be
discussed at a workshop.
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CARES Act
City Administrator Volkers noted that staff would bring details about the CARES (Coronavirus Aid, Relief,
and Economic Security) Act to be used by local governments for relief efforts and programs relating to
COVID-19 to the July 28 workshop.
Adjournment
The workshop was adjourned at 6:46 PM.
Respectfully submitted,
Susan Barry,
City Clerk
Agenda
AGENDA
City Council Workshop
July 14, 2020
Council Chambers
5 PM Visit to Acorn Award Winning Properties
(Councilors: Please plan to meet at both locations at the designated times).
5 PM Residential Property Winner: Lori Krause, 2671 Gresham Avenue
5:10 PM Travel Time to 6944 Hudson Boulevard
5:15 PM Public Category Winner: Apostolic Bible Institute and Church
6944 Hudson Boulevard
5:25 PM Travel Time to City Hall
5:30 PM Mobile Food Vendors License Fees
5:40 PM Farmers Market Time Change Options
5:50 PM Live Streaming Meetings
6:10 PM IT Services Proposal for Quotes
6:30 PM Council Topics
6:45 PM Recess for Regular Meeting
COUNCIL MEMORANDUM
To: Honorable Mayor and City Council
From: Chelsea Petersen, Administrative Services Director
Date: July 14, 2020
Subject: Mobile Food Vendors – Fees; Other License Fees
At its June 9 meeting, the City Council directed staff to waive fees for all mobile food vendor licenses
through September 30, 2020. Staff was also asked to review mobile food vendor fees of other
communities. Staff received fee information from the following communities:
CITY NOTES FEE
Cottage Grove Vendors only allowed at private events in residential areas or at special N/A
events in retail areas, so the city does not issue licenses solely for food
truck operations.
Lake Elmo City does not issue licenses. Vendor needs to possess food service license 0
from Washington County in order to operate within the City.
Mahtomedi City does not currently issue licenses, but this process is under review. 0
Currently, all vendors need to possess food service license from MN
department of health.
Maplewood Fee for selling perishable food: $181 Annual
Fee for selling non-perishable food: $146 Annual
If operating at a single location for more than 21 days, city approval is
required; if more than four months, conditional use permit is required.
Newport Food trucks are only permitted at events. $50 per event
North Saint Paul Fees are only charged to only non-residents and businesses based outside $80 Annual
of the city.
Oakdale Fee for one day: $100
Fee for annual: $300
Fire Department inspection required for both.
Shoreview City does not issue licenses. Vendor needs to possess food service license 0
from MN department of health.
Stillwater Only allowed on private property, with Planning Department approval. Fire $250 first time
Department inspection required. $25 renewal
White Bear Lake City issues a Merchants Permit similar to that issued for garden centers. $50 per month
Vendor needs to possess food service license from County/State.
Woodbury Licenses issued for events and tournaments only. $35 Annual
Oakdale’s current process involves reviewing the application, confirming receipt of the associated
materials, reviewing the location for appropriate placement and approval, conducting a background
investigation, and conducting a visual inspection by the Oakdale Fire Marshal.
Staff is working on a comprehensive review of other licensing application requirements, fees, and
codes, and will bring forth recommendations to the City Council later this year.
COUNCIL MEMORANDUM
To: Honorable Mayor and City Council
From: Christina M. Volkers, City Administrator
Date: July 14, 2020
Subject: Farmers Market Time Change Options
At the request of a council member to keep the farmer’s market open later than 6 PM, staff reached out
to vendors to share their thoughts. Options discussed were the potential of the market hours being
modified from 2 to 6 PM to 2:30 to 6:30 PM for the remainder of 2020.
Although a few less vendors participated in the July 9 market due to the recent holiday, those that were
present were not supportive of changing the hours. They shared that their day is typically long as many
participate in other markets during the day and begin the day harvesting and preparing the food for
sale. As such, they appreciate being able to close up at 6 PM and head home. Vendors also
commented on the drain of being in the heat and humidity throughout the day. Vendors noted that they
were pleased when the market hours were changed from 3 to 7 PM to 2 to 6 PM in 2014.
Recreation Superintendent Williams will be available at the July 14 meeting to answer questions from
the City Council.
COUNCIL MEMORANDUM
To: Honorable Mayor and City Council
From: Alyssa MacLeod, Communications Specialist
Date: July 14, 2020
Subject: Livestreaming council meetings
At the June 23rd Council work session, City Council requested more information regarding the possibility
of livestreaming City Council meetings on Facebook.
The City has been livestreaming meetings via Suburban Community Channels (SCC) on the city website,
however, the function has been inoperable since March 2020 and it is unknown when functionality will
be restored. Streaming the council meetings on an alternative platform would allow the City of Oakdale
to continue to provide access to a broader audience including non-cable subscribers.
Platform comparison
The two most viable and accessible livestreaming options for the City of Oakdale are Facebook and
YouTube. Below is a comparison of the relevant features of both platforms.
Facebook YouTube
Format Better suited for short form video Better suited for long form video
Access Need an account to view Accessible without having an account
Comments Comments cannot be turned off Comments can be turned off
Sharing Native video only Cross-sharing compatibility
Considerations
Overall, YouTube is a more favorable streaming option as the platform is specifically designed for video
and has capabilities to reach a broader audience due to not requiring having an account in order to
view content. YouTube also provides cross-sharing capabilities so that videos can be shared on other
platforms if needed, including the city website. Using Facebook as a livestreaming platform limits reach
solely to Facebook users.
Staff believes that it is also better to livestream on a platform that allows for comments to be turned off.
Comments can be turned off on YouTube but not on Facebook. While resident input is highly valued, the
goal of livestreaming meetings is to increase reach and transparency, not to engage with the public. In a
traditional council meeting, public comments are generally only accepted during portions of the
meeting, such as open forum, a public hearing, or on a specific agenda item. The City Council does not
engage with the public throughout the duration of the meeting. Social media platforms like Facebook
are designed to engage in two-way communication, so users are conditioned to receiving responses to
their questions. Having a comment feature throughout a livestreamed meeting may set unrealistic and
confusing expectations with viewers.
Allowing comments also opens the door for non-productive engagement. When researching the
experience of other municipalities that livestream meetings through social media platforms with
comments, many have cited receiving a high level of “trolling” behavior – with users not looking to
meaningfully engage, but only to incite controversy.
Recommendation
Due to the loss of our previous livestreaming capabilities through SCC, selecting an alternative
livestream platform will achieve the goals of restoring increased transparency through broader reach of
council meeting broadcasts. YouTube is the recommended platform to achieve those goals most
effectively.
COUNCIL MEMORANDUM
To: Honorable Mayor and City Council
From: Christina M. Volkers, City Administrator
Date: July 9, 2020
Subject: IT review – proposal for seeking quotes
At the June 9 council meeting an agenda item titled “Approve Proposal for Independent IT Services
Review” was tabled to allow for further discussion and review. See attached for the applicable
documentation by way of background.
In prior conversations, Council expressed a desire to have an independent entity complete a full review
of IT services. The proposal was to hire a consultant to review options and investigate alternatives.
Currently, the city uses the City of Roseville’s Metro I-Net collaborative which is moving to an
independent JPA in 2021. Before signing onto that new JPA as our future partner, it is important that
we do a thorough review and analysis to consider all our needs and options for future IT services. As a
thriving city in the metro area, we are at a point where some long-term decisions would be appropriate
in how we provide IT services throughout the City of Oakdale. To that end, I recommend the following:
1. We seek multiple quotes from consultants to research and recommend all options for providing
IT services, compare quotes, and secure a consultant.
2. The consultant will work closely with the City Administrator, Administrative Services Director, and
other appropriate city staff to define current and future IT needs for the City of Oakdale.
3. The consultant will then research and consider options including those outlined in the original
June 9 proposal to council, as well as other possible alternatives such as providing some or all IT
services internally.
4. Finally, the consultant will provide a report with options and cost estimates, and the City
Administrator will work closely with appropriate city staff to prepare a recommendation to City
Council.
If Council is in agreement with this suggested course of action, the City Administrator will secure
comparable quotes and prepare a recommendation for consultant hire to the Council for approval.
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