City Council Workshop
Regular MeetingOakdale, MN · January 24, 2023
Minutes
WORKSHOP MINUTES
OAKDALE CITY COUNCIL
January 24, 2023
The City Council held a workshop on Tuesday, January 24, 2023 at Oakdale City Hall, 1584 Hadley
Avenue North, Oakdale, Minnesota. The meeting began at 5:00 PM.
Present: Mayor Kevin Zabel
Council Members: Jake Ingebrigtson
Andy Morcomb
Susan Olson
City Staff Members: Christina Volkers, City Administrator
Sara Ludwig, City Clerk
Jim Thomson, City Attorney
Brian Bachmeier, Interim City Engineer
Andrew Gitzlaff, Community Development Director
Luke McClanahan, City Planner
Nick Newton, Police Chief
Lori Pulkrabek, Communications Manager
Katie Robinson, Deputy City Clerk / Licensing Clerk
Jim Romanik, Public Works Manager
Julie Williams, Recreation Superintendent
Jason Zimmerman, Finance Director
Other: Stan Karwoski, Washington County Commissioner
Erin Perdu, Stantec Senior Urban Planner
Wayne Sandberg, Washington County Public Works Director / Engineer
Sara Allen, Washington County Public Works Senior Planner
Matt Lysne, Principal at HCM Architects
GOLD LINE BRT COUNTY EQUITY SHARING PRESENTATION, WAYNE SANDBERG AND SARA ALLEN
(WASHINGTON COUNTY)
Sara Allen, Public Works Senior Planner with Washington County, provided an introduction and
background on the Gold Line design process and scope additions requested by the City of Oakdale.
The items include:
• Hadley Avenue center left turn lanes
• Hadley Avenue/4th Street trail
• Tanner’s Lake trail
• Hayward Avenue to 4th Street trail
• Helmo Station to 4th Street, west side trail
Ms. Allen noted there are benefits to the City by including these projects as part of the Gold Line
BRT project. The Federal Transit Administration (FTA) is anticipated to pay 47% of the project cost.
Additionally, Washington County submitted and secured a federal regional grant for the Tanner’s
Lake trail. Due to this, the total cost to Oakdale for this scope item was reduced by more than
$100,000.
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The cost estimates included in the cooperative agreement are from a summer 2022 project
construction bid. Washington County is requesting that the City pay $202,446 for the additional
scope items, however they are willing to work with the City on the timing of payment as the project
proceeds with construction.
Mayor Zabel asked if Washington County anticipates any other project costs being included in the
cost share agreement. Ms. Allen indicated that unless the project scope changes these will be the
only items and costs included in the agreement.
Council Member Morcomb asked about the City’s understanding of this cost share agreement from
a historical perspective. City Administrator Chris Volkers clarified that the City knew back in 2019
there would be some cost sharing related to this project, however the amount and associated
timeline was determined rather recently.
Council Member Ingebrigtson asked Washington County Commissioner Stan Karwoski if the County
would be willing to put in a larger share than what is proposed. Commissioner Karwoski said that
as part of the Gold Line maintenance it is a requirement that each City have a financial stake in the
project. He added that the City is only paying $202,446 for projects worth many more times that
amount. Additionally, the City will have a brand new 4th Street bridge at no cost as part of this
project.
Council Member Olson said the proposed agreement was fair.
Council Member Morcomb was supportive of moving forward with the additional scope items given
Washington County’s financial assistance and willingness to offer a flexible payment schedule.
Ms. Volkers stated staff has spoken to Washington County about pushing the additional scope items
out two to three years which will allow the City to include these items in their CIP.
Mayor Zabel’s preference would be to use existing funds and not utilize special project funds.
GLENBROOK SMALL AREA PLAN UPDATE – SUMMARY OF FEEDBACK AND DRAFT GOALS
City Planner Luke McClanahan began the presentation by providing background about the
Glenbrook Small Area Plan.
Stantec Senior Urban Planner Erin Perdu summarized the themes that arose from the stakeholder
interviews and engagement activities. Residents indicated that truck traffic through the
neighborhood is their biggest issue, particularly on 51st Street. When asked about the truck traffic,
the local businesses said the trucks should not be using this route. Most businesses indicated they
are happy with their location and have no plans/desire to move. Many of these businesses pre-date
the residential development. Ms. Perdu noted that residents did not express complaints about any
of the businesses aside from the truck traffic. There was some concern from both residents and
businesses about redevelopment in this area and the implications it might have.
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Ms. Perdu explained the various types of stakeholder engagement used in Phase 1 which included
an online survey, an in-person meeting with residents, and individual meetings with many of the
businesses, strictly in the Glenbrook Neighborhood. As part of Phase 3, the engagement scope will
broaden to include the entire Glenbrook Study Area.
Mayor Zabel expressed concern about ensuring that each unit in the apartment complex was given
the opportunity to share their feedback during these initial meetings. Mr. McClanahan said the City
can look into other ways to reach these residents. Mayor Zabel further expressed concern about
the current way the City engages with the community to solicit feedback. Ms. Perdu suggested
having resident engagement meetings in the community room on the property, finding ways to
publicize the survey website on the property site, and asking the property manager about resident
availability to try to engage with more folks when it is convenient for them.
Mayor Zabel asked for more clarity on the specific concerns of the residents and businesses.
Ms. Perdu stated that residents are concerned about a large development such as multi-family
housing or mixed-use. The businesses were mostly concerned about having reassurance that they
will still have their space and current road access.
The next part of the presentation referenced the draft goals and strategies developed by Stantec
and City staff.
Ms. Perdu said that the land-use pattern should not have big changes, but the focus should be on
the access and the truck routes.
Ms. Volkers asked about limiting any future development if the plan proceeds in a certain direction.
Community Development Director Andy Gitzlaff noted that past proposals have not matched the
neighborhood fabric. He suggested providing direction for use in that area so future developers
have some guidance when bringing forth proposals. Another suggestion was bringing non-
conforming uses into compliance over time. Lastly, he added that in his experience, providing
detailed plans can incite more feedback.
AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, CHAPTER 9 – LICENSE AND BUSINESS REGULATIONS,
RELATING TO FEES FOR VARIOUS LICENSES
Licensing Clerk/Deputy City Clerk Katie Robinson began by explaining the changes within Chapter
9 were made to provide consistency throughout the chapter in regards to various licenses.
Language around license fees, background investigation fees, and late fees were clarified. She
added the changes are consistent with the new THC Ordinance.
Council Member Olson asked for more information about why the City would charge a late fee.
Ms. Volkers explained that a late fee allows a business the opportunity to still renew their license
even if they have missed the deadline instead of denying them a license outright. She further
explained there is more work involved to process these applications and it is essentially a fee to
expedite. Council Member Olson was supportive of the late fee for this reason.
Mayor Zabel asked about the definition of late in this scenario.
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Ms. Robinson stated she follows a preset guideline, which requires all paperwork be received by
the City four weeks prior to license expiration. She added that a reminder email is sent eight weeks
prior to the expiration date as the background check could take up to eight weeks.
Ms. Volkers asked about the ramifications if the license expires.
City Attorney Jim Thomson explained that if the license expires then staff should tell the business
they cannot sell the product until the license is renewed.
Council Member Olson clarified that if the license expiration date is December 31, the City must
receive all required paperwork by November 30, or the business incurs a late fee. Furthermore, if
the license is not renewed on January 1, then the business should not be selling the product until
the license is processed. She asked if the latter scenario is monitored by City staff. Police Chief Nick
Newton said there is follow up by staff in these situations.
Council Member Olson asked if there is liability to the City if a business continues to sell with an
expired license. Ms. Volkers indicated the City does not have liability. Mayor Zabel added the City
will contact them and follow up.
The group was supportive of these proposed changes within Chapter 9.
AMENDING ARTICLE III OF CHAPTER 9 – REGULATION OF TOBACCO
Ms. Robinson reviewed the changes to Article III of Chapter 9 including changing the definition of a
minor from 18 years of age to 21 years of age to be consistent with current Minnesota Statute
609.685, Subd. 2. Additionally, several sections within Article III have been changed to remain
consistent with the recently passed THC Consumables Ordinance.
Council Member Olson asked how the City confirms that businesses are complying with the signage
requirement. Chief Newton explained that the City does yearly compliance checks.
Mayor Zabel asked the Council to think about regulating the brightness of signage that is displayed
inside the window of some of these retailers, specifically referencing fluorescent LED lights, rope
lights around windows, and flashing lights and signs. He suggested making the signage requirement
a condition of their license because tobacco and alcohol establishments can be in numerous zoning
districts. He suggested that staff do research to determine a proposed lighting standard.
Additionally, this can be revisited in a couple months as to not hold up the other Chapter 9 proposed
changes.
Mayor Zabel pointed out that including the signage requirement as a condition of licensure allows
for simpler and quicker compliance from an enforcement standpoint.
Ms. Volkers clarified that as part of the license application there would be signage requirement
language. Attorney Thomson did not see any problems with the City making it a condition of
licensure if the council concurs.
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Mayor Zabel noted that whether it is part of the City Code or a condition of licensure, City follow up
will be complaint-based.
Council Member Olson asked if the proposed signage requirement is strictly for tobacco licenses or
will be part of all licenses. Mayor Zabel asked if lighting requirements for other kinds of businesses
are covered under current zoning regulations. Staff was asked to research and report back findings.
Mayor Zabel asked if Council was supportive of regulating this kind of lighting. The group was in
agreement to move forward with pursuing this regulation. Staff will need to research and propose
how to do this and the quickest way to address infractions while balancing staff workload and equal
license application language for all businesses.
TENT SALES AND TNT FIREWORKS
Ms. Volkers summarized the current City Code, Section 9-111 stating the City can license TNT tent
sales for fireworks as long as they comply with National Fire Protection Association Standard 1124.
She asked about the intent of Council regarding this type of license and the current City Code.
Ms. Volkers and Attorney Thomson explained that the National Fire Protection Association Standard
1124 is about how the fireworks are stored.
Mayor Zabel suggested hearing Fire Chief Kevin Wold’s opinion on storing flammable materials
inside a vinyl tent.
Ms. Volkers relayed Chief Wold’s opinion that as long as the merchant complies with the noted
standard in the City Code he is comfortable with this type of license.
Council Member Morcomb was supportive of keeping this type of license in the City Code.
Ms. Volkers asked the group if they would like to change the City Code to make obtaining this type
of license easier, or to leave it as is.
Mayor Zabel said if they can comply with the current standards then they are able to get a license,
and there is no need to change the Code. He noted if the Fire Department is required to audit the
merchant for compliance as part of this license then it needs to be reflected in the license fee.
Mayor Zabel’s preference would be to treat firework sales in a tent the same as firework sales in a
store.
Council Member Olson noted there are tent firework sales in other cities. Ms. Volkers explained that
the compliance with the National Fire Protection Association Standard 1124 is unique to Oakdale.
Mayor Zabel suggested pushing this agenda item out to the next workshop to allow Chief Wold to
talk to Council about the implications of this type of license from a safety perspective. Additionally,
staff should look at ordinances from neighboring cities. Council Member Olson suggested looking
at Blaine’s and New Brighton’s city codes.
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LAWN CARE WEED AND FEED
Public Works Manager Jim Romanik explained that following the directive from Council during the
July 26, 2022 workshop, staff sought out quotes from companies that provide organic fertilizer. He
reminded Council that the application would only be for Guthrie Park, on a trial basis in 2023. He
asked if Council would like to move forward with pursuing one of these quotes or to continue to use
the Trugreen products on all parks instead of trying organic on Guthrie in 2023.
In response to Council Member Olson’s question about the toxicity levels of bioLawn in comparison
to Trugreen, Mr. Romanik stated it is significantly lower.
Council Member Olson was supportive of moving forward with the bioLawn quote.
Council Member Morcomb was comfortable moving forward with an organic fertilizer at one park on
a trial basis.
Mayor Zabel asked about the concerns that were brought forth previously regarding the stickiness
of the organic fertilizer and the hazard it causes when the grass gets wet, specifically on the athletic
fields. His concern about doing the trial at Guthrie Park was that these past concerns would not be
tested. He asked if the City should use an alternate park for the trial basis, one that has active
baseball fields. Mr. Romanik explained that Guthrie Park was proposed for the trial basis because
it does not have athletic fields. His concern was that if the organic fertilizer does not control the
weeds it is likely the City will get more complaints if this occurs at a park with athletic fields. He
added that Public Works is open to trying another City park.
Council Member Morcomb was concerned about the stickiness of the grass stating that once the
grass becomes sticky it remains that way for the entire summer.
Council Member Olson referenced the July 26, 2022 Workshop Memo which states that bioLawn
uses a hybrid fertilizer product that is a blend of organic and synthetic products which has less of
an odor and does not stick to shoes.
Council Member Olson suggested phasing in the organic fertilizer, if it is effective, over a few years.
She said the City could try it for weed control during the first year, and if it works, then try it on an
athletic field the next year.
Ms. Volkers noted that due to the significant increase in cost, the use of organic fertilizer will have
to be phased in slowly to all parks, if it proves to be effective.
Mayor Zabel was comfortable moving forward with Guthrie Park as the trial park, and agreed with
Council Member Olson’s phased-approach suggestion.
NEW PUBLIC WORKS FACILITY NEXT STEPS
Ms. Volkers began by stating that if Council is still supportive of a $28M Public Works Facility then
City staff will bring funding options to a future workshop for discussion.
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She introduced Matt Lysne with HCM Architects and said the agreement to partner with them on
this project will be on the next Council agenda.
Ms. Volkers explained that the project will involve a three-pronged management team. Mr. Romanik,
Ms. Volkers, and the Facility Manager make up the first arm as the City is the owner and will oversee
the contracts and project in total. The second arm is the architects who will provide the designs,
subcontract with engineers, plumbers, HVAC, etc., and cover the technical side of the project. The
third arm is the Construction Manager at Risk who ensures subcontracts are on-time and on-budget,
and that a successful final product is delivered. See attached timeline. Ms. Volkers said if the
timeline is pushed out any further then that will add another year of increased costs.
Mr. Lysne agreed with Ms. Volkers that the timeline for 2023 does not have much flexibility.
Mayor Zabel suggested that Council have the mindset that the backstop for the additional $6M is
a property tax levy.
Council Member Morcomb said that if the City chose to delay future phases the estimated cost
today would be greatly increased due to inflation and increased construction and labor costs.
Mayor Zabel asked about the plan for the current Public Works campus once the new facility is built.
Mr. Romanik said the plan is to utilize the current storage facility on the north side for off-season
storage.
Council Member Morcomb asked about the negotiation with 3M regarding their land donation and
cleanup. Ms. Volkers stated that the City has been working with legal counsel and 3M on the specific
terms. The City is requesting a clean site which requires a built-in vapor barrier and ongoing
maintenance. The financial responsibility of cleaning the site is still under discussion. October 1,
2023 is the deadline for the site cleanup. The proposed project schedule revolves around having
the site cleaned up and ready for construction by October 1st.
Ms. Volkers recapped the discussion confirming Council is supportive of moving forward with the
$28M build out site plan and entering into an agreement with HCM Architects.
Ms. Volkers asked Council to be flexible along the way, but also continue to make timely decisions
on items that are brought forth for discussion.
Council Member Olson asked if this $28M build out site plan is expandable for future Public Work’s
needs. Mayor Zabel added a question about the number of residents that could be served by the
current build out site plan. Mr. Lysne stated that if the facility had all desired amenities it would cost
$34-$35M. He added that the use of the storage space on the north side of the current Public
Works facility helped lower the overall project budget to the proposed $28M, in addition to no fuel
island planned. Additionally, creativity within the facility will help utilize the space.
Ms. Volkers brought up the Local Option Sales Tax (LOST) as it relates to the financing of the new
Public Works Facility.
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She asked Council to consider adding a Resolution of support to the agenda at the proceeding
Council meeting. She clarified that the City will not go back to the voters for the authority to increase
the terms of the L.O.S.T. The Council was supportive of moving forward with the proposed RCA and
resolution relating to L.O.S.T.
Council Member Olson asked about the assurance from 3M that the donated land for the new Public
Works Facility is safe. Ms. Volkers said the Minnesota Pollution and Control Agency (MPCA) will not
approve the use of the land if it does not meet the brownfield program criteria which includes
ongoing remediation as dictated by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA).
Council Member Olson shared concerns about the safety and health of the Public Works employees
due to the historical condition of the land and any ongoing remediation that may need to take place.
Council Member Morcomb asked if 3M will share what they find if they are required to remediate
the land. Ms. Volkers confirmed the City will get every report. She reminded the group that the City
has their own environmentalist as well.
CITY COUNCIL VACANCY PROCESS TO FILL
Ms. Volkers outlined the proposed process to fill the Council seat vacancy. She told the Council
that there is flexibility with the supplemental and interview questions that will be submitted with the
application.
The Council was comfortable with the proposed application and interview timeline but added further
questions to the Supplement questionnaire to be submitted by the applicant.
Ms. Volkers indicated Council does not need to use the proposed applicant feedback form but does
need to provide reasoning and justification for their decisions during this process for legal reasons.
Council Member Olson would like to establish a precedent for future councils.
Council Member Ingebrigtson would prefer not to put an ordinance in place as that may cause
problems for future councils.
Mayor Zabel told the group he will not appoint someone to fill the vacancy regardless of the fact the
statute includes that option if the Council were to deadlock. He would prefer that the Council
vacancy be a unanimous decision, although not required by statute.
Ms. Volkers suggested writing a policy to document the process if that is what the Council desires.
Future councils would have the option to change it.
Mayor Zabel would like to leave the open-ended right of the council at the time and not write a
policy.
Council Member Ingebrigtson pointed out that if an ordinance were to be passed documenting the
process, future councils could repeal or amend it if they did not like it.
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Mayor Zabel transitioned to discussing the interview questions. He reminded the group that Ms.
Volkers told them the supplemental form will be used for asking specific questions.
RECESS FOR REGULAR MEETING 6:54 PM
WORKSHOP RECONVENED 8:19 PM after the Regular Council Meeting
CITY COUNCIL VACANCY PROCESS TO FILL (CONTINUED)
Ms. Volkers stated that the application form including name, address, etc. cannot be changed due
to legal reasons. She explained that questions included in the draft supplemental questions can be
changed however Council would like. Additionally, she noted that language in the third paragraph
will be clarified to reflect that council members are paid monthly.
Discussion ensued about which questions should be included in the supplemental questionnaire.
The discussion continued about which questions should be included in the interview questions. Ms.
Volkers explained that each Council Member would share their opinion about the applicants with
her only, not with each other.
Council Member Ingebrigtson asked if they were interviewing every applicant. Mayor Zabel and Ms.
Volkers stated the Council gets to decide who they would like to interview.
In response to Council Member Olson’s question about how Ms. Volkers would solicit their opinions
about the applicants, Mayor Zabel noted that that part of the process would have to be part of the
public record. He suggested that after all applications are received, a discussion is had at the
following workshop in which each Council Member will share their top three choices. To keep
anonymity, each application will be numbered so the applicant name is not included during the
discussion.
The group decided that a special workshop meeting will be held at 5:30 PM on Thursday, February
23, 2023, to interview the selected applicants. Once the applications are received then the Council
will decide how much time will be slotted for each interview.
Mayor Zabel requested that the interview questions be determined at a later date once the
applications have been received and reviewed.
In response to Ms. Volkers question to the Council about if they would like a rating on the applicant
feedback form, the Council agreed that they would not.
Mayor Zabel explained to the group that once this process opens they will get asked questions,
however all questions need to be directed to Ms. Volkers.
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ADMINISTRATOR TOPICS
Ms. Volkers explained that she has been meeting with the Age-Friendly group about various grants
they want to apply for. After several discussions, the group has decided they want to apply for a
state grant to help fund the installation of benches along some of the walking trails and possibly in
some of the parks. Ms. Volkers noted the current moratorium, but stated she has intentions to lift
it this spring. This group identified specific popular walking trails that are along Helmo Avenue and
Hadley Avenue.
Staff have expressed hesitation with these locations given the maintenance responsibility.
Mayor Zabel stated the suggested placement of the benches along Hadley Avenue are not ideal.
Ms. Volkers said the group has indicated bench placement in East Side Park along Helmo Avenue.
Mayor Zabel referenced the current City policy that limits the number of benches per park and said
this park has most likely reached that limit.
Council suggested that the group focus on the parks and abide by the current City policy regarding
donations. They were comfortable with staff providing suggestions to the Age-Friendly group.
In regards to the Century Avenue Coalition, it was determined that Ms. Volkers will be the staff
member at the meetings with Mr. Gitzlaff as the alternate staff member until a City Engineer is
hired, and Mayor Zabel will be the elected representative with Council Member Ingebrigtson as the
alternate elected representative.
Mayor Zabel indicated he will write a summary after each meeting to ensure his colleagues are kept
in the loop. Ms. Volkers will share this written summary with staff.
The last topic Ms. Volkers brought to Council was Council Members attending events in the
community. She asked the group their thoughts on Council attending these events.
Mayor Zabel expressed hesitation about saying yes to attending some events and no to attending
others as there is no policy guiding these decisions.
Council Member Morcomb does not see a problem with networking with residents while supporting
the troops and public safety officials as an example of an event coming soon called Salute Dinner.
Mayor Zabel asked the group to determine a standard above the legal argument.
Council Member Ingebrigtson said he is comfortable going to these events if legal confirms it is
okay.
Mayor Zabel suggested that elected officials pay for their own ticket and staff attendance is covered
by the budgeted funds, but capped at a certain number of events per year.
Council Members Ingebrigtson, Olson, and Mayor Zabel expressed interest in attending the
upcoming Oakdale Salute event and paying for it themselves. Council Member Morcomb was going
to check his schedule to see if he can attend.
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COUNCIL TOPICS
Council Member Olson would like to discuss the reason for asking new businesses to pay park
dedication fees to the City during Council Topics at the next workshop.
Council Member Morcomb brought up the current ordinance that does not allow ice cream trucks
to operate in the City. He would like to look into changing the ordinance to allow for these types of
vendors. Ms. Volkers asked for all Council Members intent to pursue so she can offer ordinance
revisions.
Mayor Zabel said that Hill Murray reached out to him about making a donation for a turf field in
Oakdale. They are currently working with Maplewood as well. It could be an application as part of
the Willowbrooke development. He suggested letting staff handle this request so it can go through
the formal process.
Ms. Volkers added that the City is working with BlueCross BlueShield on a possible grant to supply
park amenities within Willowbrooke.
ADJOURNMENT
The workshop was adjourned at 8:55 PM.
Respectfully submitted,
Sara Ludwig, City Clerk
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