City Council
Regular MeetingOgden, UT · September 21, 2016
Minutes
Minutes of Joint Session of Council of Ogden City, Utah, September 21, 2016 Page
Minutes of the Joint Work Session of the Ogden City Council and Ogden City Planning Commission, held on Tuesday,
September 21, 2016 at 5:38 p.m., in the Council Work Room on the third floor of the Municipal Building, 2549 Washington
Boulevard, Ogden City, Weber County, Utah.
Present: Chair Marcia L. White (participated via electronic means)
Acting Chair Bart E. Blair
Council members Neil K. Garner
Richard A. Hyer
Luis Lopez
Ben Nadolski
Doug Stephens
Planning Ross Patterson
Commissioners Robert Herman
Janith Wright
Dave Graf
Bryan Schade
Lillie Holman
Cathy Blaisdell
Council Executive Director Bill Cook
Council Deputy Director Janene Eller-Smith
Council Policy Analyst Glenn Symes
Council Policy Analyst Amy Sue Mabey
Communications Manager Brittany Griffin
Also present: Community and Economic Development Director Tom Christopulos
Assistant City Attorney Mark Stratford
Planning Manager Greg Montgomery
Chief Deputy Recorder Lee Ann Peterson
The purpose of the work session was to conduct land use training and discuss Council business.
Land Use Training
Council Policy Analyst Symes explained that as part of the City’s commitment to continued training for planning and land
use issues and as directed by the State, the City Council and the Planning Commission will receive training on a topic related to
land use regulation in the City. The topic has been chosen by the City’s Legal Counsel, Planning Department and Council Staff.
The topic was chosen based on what City staff felt was a current and relevant issue from which the Council and Commission could
benefit. This year’s training will focus on two topics: Legislative versus Administrative decision-making, and public hearings
versus public input meetings. He noted the presentation will include materials from the Land Use Academy of Utah (LUAU), and
Staff and Council/Commission discussion. He concluded a wide variety of video materials related to this and other land use and
civic education topics can be found at www.luau.utah.gov. He began the training by playing a 10-minute video from LUAU that
provided a review of land use law basics.
Planning Manager Montgomery explained that throughout the United States, cities have developed an orderly approach
for how decisions are made. This includes the establishment of policy that is then converted into ordinances that are applied to
direct and oversee development that takes place in the community. Such laws are established through a legislative process after
which City Administration applies and enforces them. He stated that understanding the different roles in the City are important; it
is necessary to understand the purpose of the office of the Mayor, City Council, and Planning Commission. Roles can often differ
from community to community based upon each entities form of government, but a basic foundation of many communities is
establishment of future goals and ideas that are expounded upon in a city’s general plan, master plan, and community plans. These
documents provide overall policy and are directed by the City Council. However, State Law recognizes the need for a ‘sounding
board’ in the form of an independent non-political body that can review issues and make recommendations to the City Council; this
body is the Planning Commission. The Planning Commission has a very important role; they are a non-biased group with no
political agenda and they are asked to give their ideas and input regarding whether something may be good for the community. He
then discussed implementation of a city’s vision, noting that ordinances are used to implement the goals and vision of the General
Plan. This is why it is so important to develop a vision before developing ordinances or the tools that are used to implement the
vision.
Assistant City Attorney Stratford stated that based upon the City’s form of government, the City Council is almost always
acting in a legislative capacity, the Mayor is always acting in an administrative capacity, and the Planning Commission may take
legislative and administrative actions.
Mr. Montgomery then reviewed the process the City follows to establish and implement land use policy; the Planning
Commission is heavily involved in this process and the Council is involved in acting upon the establishment of such policy. Once
an ordinance or policy is adopted, City Administration carries out or implements the ordinance.
Mr. Symes then provided a short video that offers the explanation of what a land use authority may be. Mr. Montgomery
added that there are various committees in the City that also make recommendations regarding land use; each body may have their
own individual duties to make recommendations until final action is set by the legislative body to set policy. He then reviewed a
chart that illustrated the different land use topics or issues that each body may have purview over. He noted that certain land use
applications can even be approved by staff according to the City’s land use ordinance.
Council member Hyer stated it is important to note that Planning Commission decisions must be based upon ordinance
and cannot be subjective whatsoever. Mr. Symes stated that is correct and he transitioned to discussing the type of land use issues
that require public hearings or public input periods. He provided a demonstration video that defined the term ‘public hearing’.
Following the video, Mr. Stratford discussed due process; when a government entity is considering taking an action that may
impact a person’s property, that person is entitled to due process. This is typically notice of the potential action and an opportunity
to be heard. A public hearing meets both of these requirements and the legal system has indicated that public hearings must be
noticed reasonably to inform people of the action the government entity is considering. He added Ogden City has developed
additional noticing requirements that exceed State Law requirements. He reviewed the types of land use issues for which the
Planning Commission, City Council, or Mayor is required to hold a public hearing. He also briefly discussed the manner in which
public hearings are noticed. He added that in some instances, the land use authority has the ability to take action during the same
meeting in which a public hearing is held, but for some land use issues action cannot be taken during the same meeting. The group
engaged in high level discussion regarding the manner in which public input is accepted and the definition of ‘reasonable’ related
to the amount of time or the manner in which a person is allowed to provide input. Mr. Stratford noted consistency in determining
the manner in which public input will be accepted is of utmost importance. He also cautioned against allowing people to speak
twice to offer a rebuttal to comments made by another speaker. He emphasized that since the Planning Commission is charged with
making decisions based solely upon ordinances that have been enacted, they typically do not have the ability to base their decision
upon public input. He used conditional use permits as an example and stated that if someone is opposed to a certain use, but the
City Council has adopted an ordinance listing that use as a permitted use upon the applicant meeting certain conditions or
mitigating issues associated with the use, the Planning Commission cannot base their decision on public input provided in
opposition to the use.
At the conclusion of the discussion the Council thanked staff for the information provided and acknowledged the Planning
Commission for the important role they plan in many of the City’s land use processes.
The meeting adjourned at 6:42 p.m.
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LEE ANN PETERSON, MMC
CHIEF DEPUTY CITY RECORDER
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BART E. BLAIR, ACTING CHAIR
APPROVED: January 17, 2017
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