Planning Commission
Regular MeetingOlympia, WA · November 17, 2014
Minutes
City Hall
Meeting Minutes 601 4th Avenue E
Olympia, WA 98501
Planning Commission Contact: Todd Stamm
360.753.8597
Monday, November 17, 2014 6:30 PM Room 207
1. CALL TO ORDER
Chair Brown called the meeting to order at 6:30 p.m.
1.A ROLL CALL
Present: 9 - Chair Max Brown, Vice Chair Kim Andresen, Commissioner Jessica
Bateman, Commissioner Roger Horn, Commissioner Missy Watts,
Commissioner Judy Bardin, Commissioner Darrell Hoppe,
Commissioner Jerome Parker, and Commissioner Carole Richmond
OTHERS PRESENT
Community Planning and Development Deputy Director Leonard Bauer
Associate Planner Amy Buckler
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
The agenda was approved.
3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
14-1116 Approval of November 3, 2014 Planning Commission Meeting Minutes
The minutes were approved as amended.
4. PUBLIC COMMENT - None
5. ANNOUNCEMENTS
Ms. Buckler provided a CD with data from 74 prior Downtown planning studies. She
gave an update on downtown development of the new Obsidian coffee and sandwich
shop project.
Mr. Bauer announced the reassignment of Ms. Buckler to the Land Use and
Environment Committee. She will work with them on Downtown planning and
Associate Planner Stacey Ray will be the new Olympia Planning Commission (OPC)
liaison, with Principal Planner Todd Stamm as primary staff support in the interim.
The Commissioners applauded Ms. Buckler and expressed their appreciation for her
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Planning Commission work over the years.
6. INFORMATION REQUESTS
Mr. Bauer gave a report at Commissioner Horn's request on Council progress and
anticipated timeline for adoption of the Comprehensive Plan.
Commissioner Hoppe requested the Design Review Board concerns he has reported
to staff be shared with the entire Planning Commission. Ms. Buckler will provide that
information to the Commissioners.
7. BUSINESS ITEMS
14-1117 PUBLIC HEARING on Proposed Scope of Actions for Neighborhood
Centers
Ms. Buckler discussed input received from the recent property owner mail out survey,
on site interviews with business owners, and comments from OlySpeaks.org. She
discussed results concerning the most prevalent obstacles which include complex
regulations, the high costs of development, and threshold for low density population
business viability. Other concerns were garbage/recycling; problems of low visibility;
vehicle parking; safety concerns including vagrancy and crime; noise pollution; site
garbage; and American with Disabilities Act accessibility. She stressed the importance
of keeping the conversation ongoing about what is most desirable and outlined
recommended future actions.
Discussion:
- Request for the most recent public input.
Chair Brown invited the public to focus their comments on areas of greatest personal
importance and opened the public hearing at 7:08 p.m.
Bonnie Jacobs, 720 Governor Stevens Ave, and a member of the Wildwood
Neighborhood Association discussed a recent article in The Olympian about the
Wildwood Center and the use of the word "underutilized". She said she believed that
term was inaccurate and supported continuing efforts to create a mixed use diverse
neighborhood center with adequate parking. She addressed successful past efforts by
neighborhoods to stop projects they found undesirable and encouraged the
Commission to maintain community involvement.
Megan Walsh, 3505 26th Ave NE, emphasized the importance of this planning to
evolve and remain flexible.
Sherry Goulet, 3516 Pifer Rd, questioned the wisdom of proceeding with
neighborhood centers before a Downtown plan is formulated. She believes Downtown
projects will impact how the neighborhood centers develop and spoke in support of
neighbor decision-making on what is desirable in neighborhoods.
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Jay Elder, 1018 Olympic Ave NE, expressed appreciation for the OlySpeaks.org
process. He discussed problems arising when dictating how and what can be
developed is too prescriptive and supports Downtown planning before proceeding with
neighborhood center development.
Chris van Daalen, 3203 Lorne St SE, discussed the pattern of successful
development in Portland and the potential in Olympia to do something similar. He
spoke in support of a focus on neighborhood input and the sub area planning
process. He emphasized noncommercial aspects in addition to commercial aspects
for opportunities of place making activity.
Zena Hartung, 3240 Centerwood Ct SE, spoke about her experience living in many
different neighborhoods in Olympia. She expressed concern about past zoning
changes giving churches placement on many corners which now limits several areas
for development. She inquired about the Downtown plan process and supports
emphasis on Downtown planning before neighborhood center development.
Lynn Schneider, 1924 Burbank Ave NW, spoke in favor of reducing barriers to
neighborhood development and said downtown and neighborhood planning can occur
simultaneously.
Zach Smith, 3505 26th Ave NE, a property owner in multiple locations, spoke about
the development of a subdivision on Lilly Road and the impact it had on his well. He
described how unmitigated impacts are forced on the community with costs passed
on to the property owner. He questioned who bears the real costs for higher density.
Walt Jorgensen, 823 North St SE spoke in support of the Commission's involvement
in policy development for neighborhoods. He discussed past zoning practices which
have led to current situations and the impacts of traffic on neighborhoods. He
supported neighborhoods as deciding bodies for changes and the potential of the
Coalition of Neighborhoods Associations (CNA) to take an even greater role.
The public hearing was closed at 7:43 p.m. with written comment open for submission
until 5:00 p.m. on November 21, 2014.
Discussion:
- Neighborhood Association involvement by those members of the public at the
meeting.
- City budget considerations have restricted Downtown Planning.
- Recommendation to Council for criteria changes to Land Use Map for movement of
neighborhood centers to areas designated by neighborhoods.
- Commission goal of neighborhood centers has always been to vest direction and
area designation planning in the neighborhoods.
- City can only allow uses, designs and sizes of buildings, not who owns and operates
them.
- Property owners of potential sites must be questioned and involved in the process.
- Ideal would be to proceed from the general to the specific regarding the Downtown
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Plan, but the Commission does not generate the agenda for Council.
- Possibility and importance of continuing input by the public at the next Planning
Commission meeting.
- Sub area planning process and how the neighborhood initiates changes.
- Place making, working with churches, and all the comments are critical to thinking
about how to further the development of neighborhood centers.
The public hearing was held and closed.
8. REPORTS
Leadership Team:
Chair Brown gave a report. He encouraged Commissioners to attend the Land Use &
Environment Committee meeting December 12, 2014 at 5:30 p.m.
Liaison Assignments:
Commissioner Hoppe gave a report on the Design Review Board meeting about the
Briggs apartment complex and also discussed some problems with utility placement
he perceives as problematic.
Commissioner Bateman announced neighborhood association meetings and a
minimum wage debate on Wednesday, November 19, 2014 at St. Martin's University.
Commissioner Parker announced he will be out of town during the next Bicycle and
Pedestrian Advisory Committee (BPAC) meeting and Commissioner Horn may attend
in his absence.
Other relevant meetings attended:
Vice Chair Andresen attended the General Government Committee meeting.
Chair Brown announced an open house on the Community Renewal Area December
3 and 4, 2014.
Commissioners Bardin and Horn attended the CNA meeting and Commissioner
Bardin discussed the conversation about signage in neighborhoods.
Commissioner Richmond gave a report on the Utilities Advisory Committee (UAC)
meeting.
Commissioner Horn was invited by Councilmember Cooper to attend the Council
Finance Committee meeting. He shared his conversation with the Committee about
Planning Commission recommendations to the Capital Facilities Plan and Policies.
Vice Chair Andresen announced a meeting on low impact development Thursday
November 20, 2014.
The nominating committee of Commissioners Bateman, Watts, and Vice Chair
Andresen reported on interviews with Commissioners. Chair Brown is interested in
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continuing to serve as Chair. Commissioner Bateman is interested in serving on the
leadership team, Commissioner Richmond is interested in the finance subcommittee,
and Vice Chair Andresen is interested in continuing to serve as Vice Chair.
Chair Brown thanked the leadership team with special appreciation to Commissioner
Horn for all of his outstanding work.
9. ADJOURNMENT
The meeting adjourned at 8:28 p.m.
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Agenda
City Hall
City of Olympia 601 4th Avenue E
Olympia, WA 98501
Contact: Amy Buckler
Meeting Agenda 360.570.5847
Planning Commission
Monday, November 17, 2014 6:30 PM Room 207
1. CALL TO ORDER
Estimated Time for Items 1-6: 20 minutes
1.A ROLL CALL
2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
14-1116 Approval of November 3, 2014 Planning Commission Meeting Minutes
Attachments: 1. Draft Minutes
4. PUBLIC COMMENT
Sign-up sheets are provided at the meeting. During this time, citizens may address the Commission
regarding items related to City business, including items on the agenda, except agenda items for which
the Commission either held a public hearing in the last 45 days, or will hold a public hearing within the
next 45 days.
5. ANNOUNCEMENTS
6. INFORMATION REQUESTS
Opportunity for Commissioners to ask staff about City or Planning Commission business.
7. BUSINESS ITEMS
14-1117 PUBLIC HEARING on Proposed Scope of Actions for Neighborhood
Centers
Attachments: 1. Background & Summary Document
2. Proposed Scope of Actions
3. Article - Creating Walkable Business Districts
4. Memo regarding household numbers
5. Map with population radii
Estimated Time: Unknown
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8. REPORTS
- Leadership Team
- Liaison Assignments
- Other relevant meetings attended
- Nominating Committee (announce those interested in running for 2015 officers)
9. ADJOURNMENT
Approximately 9:30 p.m.
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