Historic Preservation Commission

VILLAGE OF OSSINING Planning Department John Paul Rodrigues Ossining Operations Center 101 Route 9A, Ossining, N.Y. 10562 Tel: (914)762-6232 www.villageofossiningny.gov HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION AGENDA Monday, October 6, 2025 7:00 PM PLEASE TAKE NOTICE: The Historic Preservation Commission will meet in person at the Ossining Operations Center, 101 Rt. 9A, Ossining, N.Y. 10562. The Commission will use a hybrid format, which includes videoconferencing. The public may attend in person; however, they will also continue to have the opportunity to see and hear the meeting live through Zoom, and provide comments during the appropriate time. The public has the right to attend the meeting from any location where a member of the public body is participating. Comments can also be emailed before and during the meeting to Plan@villageofossiningny.gov. The meeting will be recorded, and a transcript of the meeting will be available at a later date. Zoom Link: https://us06web.zoom.us/j/95938183057 Dial-in by phone: 1+(929)205-6099 Webinar ID: 959 3818 3057 _____________________________________________________________________ I. ADDITIONAL BUSINESS OF THE BOARD A. Meeting Transcript HPC Mtg. Transcript 10-6-25 II. NEW BUSINESS OF THE BOARD A. HPC 09-2025 107-113 Main Street, 89.19-6-11, Hacienda El Patio, Applicant, in a VC zoned district Applicant Request: Applicant is seeking a certificate of appropriateness for painting the facade of the building. [§270-25E] Date Originally Submitted: August 28, 2025 107 Main St. HPC Application (8-28-25) 107 Main St. Photos (8-28-25) 107 Main St. Owner Authorization (8-28-25) B. HPC 10-2025 26 South Highland Avenue, 89.19-4-50, Mohamed Aidhah, Applicant, in a VC zoned district Applicant Request: Applicant is seeking a certificate of appropriateness for facade signage for Yalla Mr. Halal. [§270-25G] Date Originally Submitted: September 15, 2025 26 South Highland Ave. Building Dept. Referral (9-04-25) 26 South Highland Ave. Completed Application (9-15-25) Historic Preservation Commission October 6, 2025 Page 1 of 52  26 South Highland Ave. Scale Drawing (9-15-25) 26 South Highland Ave. Rendering (9-15-25) 26 South Highland Ave. Facade Photos (9-15-25) 26 South Highland Ave. Owner Authorization (9-15-25) III. CONTINUING BUSINESS OF THE BOARD A. Update: Historic Preservation Tax Credit Program and Grants Landmark Designation Revision (002) B. Update: Black Historic District Sample Page Historic Preservation Commission October 6, 2025 Page 2 of 52 Agenda Item #A. WEBVTT 1 00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:01.320 Planning Dept.: to order. 2 00:21:02.430 --> 00:21:18.939 Planning Dept.: and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 3 00:21:19.810 --> 00:21:21.560 Planning Dept.: All right. 4 00:21:23.970 --> 00:21:25.160 Planning Dept.: Even Casey. 5 00:21:26.540 --> 00:21:36.540 Planning Dept.: Here. Captain Wilson. Oh, here. Mark Gospel. Here. Michael Bezzavedino? Here. And Chair Garbowick? Here. 6 00:21:37.270 --> 00:21:40.010 Planning Dept.: Okay, so we've completed the order of the meeting. 7 00:21:40.420 --> 00:21:45.090 Planning Dept.: And the first item is Main Street Hacienda El Patio. 8 00:21:45.830 --> 00:21:49.370 Planning Dept.: And this is just for painting at the side of the building. 9 00:21:49.520 --> 00:21:55.039 Planning Dept.: Can we clarify, Stuart, when painting is needed to be? 10 00:21:55.120 --> 00:22:07.220 Planning Dept.: filed. I thought when the paint color is markedly different than it appeared originally, and if you look at the photographs, we went from sort of a beige-ish-yellow 11 00:22:07.220 --> 00:22:10.300 Planning Dept.: To blue. Okay, that's a change. 12 00:22:10.300 --> 00:22:31.910 Planning Dept.: I just want to quickly point out, Ethan Alter is joining us, virtually. He doesn't count towards the forum, so he's still allowed to… Oh, great. And then we only have one person in the attendees list. Person in the attendees list, if you, are speaking on this application, please raise your virtual hand, and I'll bring you over as a panelist. Is that Pettino? Page 3 of 52 Agenda Item #A. 13 00:22:32.840 --> 00:22:35.229 Planning Dept.: Mr. Ms. Patina? 14 00:22:35.570 --> 00:22:38.410 Planning Dept.: Oh, okay, I see it, yeah. 15 00:22:42.720 --> 00:22:45.129 Planning Dept.: So that's the reason. Thank you. 16 00:22:56.850 --> 00:23:09.080 Planning Dept.: Is this person speaking for the first project? It appears that way. Mr. or Ms. Patino, could you turn on your camera and unmute, and please introduce yourself? This is for 107-113 Main Street, Hacienda El Patio. 17 00:23:11.580 --> 00:23:13.169 P_Patino: Oh, can you hear me? 18 00:23:13.390 --> 00:23:14.250 Planning Dept.: We can. 19 00:23:15.300 --> 00:23:20.230 P_Patino: Okay, I don't have a camera because I'm on my desktop right now. I apologize. 20 00:23:21.440 --> 00:23:26.059 Planning Dept.: Okay, can you introduce yourself, and also your affiliation with this project, please? 21 00:23:27.300 --> 00:23:34.310 P_Patino: Yes, my name is Paula. I represent our company, Rhodes Printing and Signs. We will be manufacturing the signs for 22 00:23:34.450 --> 00:23:38.280 P_Patino: Mr, yahoo. 23 00:23:38.720 --> 00:23:46.530 P_Patino: We would like to, make channel letters, which is the same, what's actually right now… 24 00:23:46.530 --> 00:23:52.789 Planning Dept.: Paula? Paula, one moment. Are you here for 26 South Highland? Yala, Mr. Halal? 25 00:23:53.180 --> 00:23:53.850 P_Patino: Okay. 26 00:23:53.850 --> 00:23:57.659 Page 4 of 52 Agenda Item #A. Planning Dept.: Okay, so, so you're on for the wrong one, so I'm gonna, I'm gonna… May I just ask. 27 00:23:57.660 --> 00:23:58.330 P_Patino: Oh. 28 00:23:58.800 --> 00:23:59.850 Planning Dept.: I mean… 29 00:24:00.020 --> 00:24:07.430 Planning Dept.: unless there's somebody inconvenienced by who's also signed in, I'd suggest we just take her. Sounds like the plan, which is good. 30 00:24:07.430 --> 00:24:20.110 Planning Dept.: All right, Paula, so you're here to speak about 26 South Highland Avenue, HBC 10-2025, Certificate of Appropriateness with facade signage at Yala Mr. Halal. And again, you are from what company? 31 00:24:21.460 --> 00:24:22.930 P_Patino: Rhoda Sprinting and Signs. 32 00:24:24.100 --> 00:24:24.810 Planning Dept.: Thank you. 33 00:24:25.500 --> 00:24:33.150 Planning Dept.: Okay, so… Do you want to take us through the submission of drawings, or renderings? 34 00:24:35.400 --> 00:24:41.120 P_Patino: Yes, I… Should be able to share my screen. 35 00:24:41.120 --> 00:24:41.690 Planning Dept.: Oh, you don. 36 00:24:41.690 --> 00:24:42.490 P_Patino: One second. 37 00:24:42.830 --> 00:24:43.470 Planning Dept.: Okay, normal. 38 00:24:43.470 --> 00:24:44.440 P_Patino: I don't need to. 39 00:24:44.710 --> 00:24:45.799 Planning Dept.: Don't need to. 40 Page 5 of 52 Agenda Item #A. 00:24:46.710 --> 00:24:47.210 Planning Dept.: We've. 41 00:24:47.210 --> 00:24:48.040 P_Patino: Okay. 42 00:24:48.040 --> 00:24:52.670 Planning Dept.: The same thing on what was made available to the public prior to, your hearing. 43 00:24:54.810 --> 00:24:56.279 Planning Dept.: Can you see the heart screen? 44 00:24:58.200 --> 00:24:59.709 P_Patino: I see your screen, yes. 45 00:24:59.880 --> 00:25:04.649 Planning Dept.: Okay, so you can, you can guide me if that's not the right, file you'd like to slave. 46 00:25:06.970 --> 00:25:08.730 P_Patino: That's the correct, 47 00:25:09.390 --> 00:25:16.750 P_Patino: Submission, yes. So, pretty much this one doesn't have the graphics, but I did submit one with the graphics that we would like to propose. 48 00:25:17.130 --> 00:25:21.770 P_Patino: Which has the, the logo on the left-hand side. 49 00:25:22.100 --> 00:25:25.049 P_Patino: And Yala, Mr. Halal? 50 00:25:27.160 --> 00:25:29.230 Planning Dept.: Gettin' there. Give me one moment. 51 00:25:42.680 --> 00:25:44.320 Planning Dept.: There you go. Is that correct? 52 00:25:45.610 --> 00:25:46.770 P_Patino: Yes, that's correct. 53 00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:59.069 P_Patino: So we would like to propose channel letters with, orange, face, orange facing with white trim and white return. Page 6 of 52 Agenda Item #A. 54 00:25:59.260 --> 00:26:06.450 P_Patino: We will use half of the wall for Yalau, and Mr. Halal will be using the other half above the windows. 55 00:26:06.490 --> 00:26:24.620 P_Patino: Pretty much this one will match the existing lettering that's there now, with the existing signage with the channel letters, like China Asanine, the height would be the same, and there'll be channel letters with illumination, just like what they have had prior to, just to kind of make it the same in the building. 56 00:26:26.110 --> 00:26:29.939 Planning Dept.: All right, and do the letters light up internally? 57 00:26:31.170 --> 00:26:32.780 P_Patino: They do, yes. 58 00:26:33.330 --> 00:26:34.220 Planning Dept.: Okay. 59 00:26:35.720 --> 00:26:41.749 Planning Dept.: I can't re… and you're saying China ossining letters light up as well? 60 00:26:42.960 --> 00:26:45.590 P_Patino: Yes, a night. From my understanding, yes. 61 00:26:46.300 --> 00:26:50.380 Planning Dept.: Yeah, I guess so, if you're invited, I'm not quite sure, but okay. Can I picture it. 62 00:26:50.590 --> 00:26:53.109 Planning Dept.: And, alright. 63 00:26:53.630 --> 00:26:55.629 Planning Dept.: Anything else you want to show? 64 00:26:56.630 --> 00:27:04.339 P_Patino: There's really nothing else, this is all they would like to propose. The logo would be the same, raised about, 5 inches. 65 00:27:04.600 --> 00:27:11.109 P_Patino: Pretty much matching the signage on what's on there now with the Building China asking. 66 00:27:12.280 --> 00:27:15.490 P_Patino: Mr. Yellow, Mr. Halal. 67 Page 7 of 52 Agenda Item #A. 00:27:15.680 --> 00:27:17.140 P_Patino: That's what would be on there. 68 00:27:17.140 --> 00:27:22.099 Planning Dept.: The image you're showing is when it's illuminated, but during the day, is it going to be illuminated? 69 00:27:23.360 --> 00:27:25.889 P_Patino: No, they're not going to be illuminated during the day. 70 00:27:26.390 --> 00:27:27.230 Planning Dept.: Okay. 71 00:27:27.840 --> 00:27:33.230 P_Patino: They're gonna have a timer where, you know, when it does… it gets stuck, it will… they'll turn on. 72 00:27:33.450 --> 00:27:33.900 Planning Dept.: Okay. 73 00:27:33.900 --> 00:27:38.969 P_Patino: during the day, they won't. They… the color seems a little bright on there. 74 00:27:39.080 --> 00:27:43.019 P_Patino: A little brighter than they will be, but they'll be orange. 75 00:27:43.930 --> 00:27:44.810 Planning Dept.: Okay. 76 00:27:46.010 --> 00:27:50.740 Planning Dept.: Any, any other questions? 77 00:27:52.500 --> 00:27:53.340 Planning Dept.: Do we resched. 78 00:27:53.340 --> 00:28:00.139 P_Patino: I did send one with dimensions as well, if you needed any specifications on dimensions. 79 00:28:03.300 --> 00:28:03.940 Planning Dept.: Here we go. 80 00:28:08.460 --> 00:28:13.160 Planning Dept.: Wow, yeah, I think… didn't I already see… isn't it already up? It is up already. 81 Page 8 of 52 Agenda Item #A. 00:28:14.560 --> 00:28:16.339 P_Patino: It's just a banner there now. 82 00:28:16.560 --> 00:28:19.679 Planning Dept.: Oh, it's just a banner, that's why it looks familiar, okay. 83 00:28:19.960 --> 00:28:20.500 Planning Dept.: Alright. 84 00:28:21.120 --> 00:28:23.810 P_Patino: Yeah, no, we did a banner, because, 85 00:28:23.960 --> 00:28:28.789 P_Patino: They wanted to get something pretty quickly up there, since they opened already. 86 00:28:29.540 --> 00:28:35.800 Planning Dept.: All right. And what? Illuminated signage is allowed in the historic district? 87 00:28:36.700 --> 00:28:40.280 Planning Dept.: There's no prohibition. 88 00:28:42.220 --> 00:28:45.390 Planning Dept.: Always reflect that way. That answers the questions. 89 00:28:46.080 --> 00:28:47.030 Planning Dept.: Okay? 90 00:28:49.590 --> 00:28:56.979 Planning Dept.: I didn't… I didn't get no ques… anyone had any further questions? And we'll be blinking, will it? Constant light. Yeah. 91 00:28:57.140 --> 00:28:59.289 P_Patino: No blinking at all. 92 00:29:00.340 --> 00:29:07.520 P_Patino: I know blink. Blinking is not an option, so no blinking whatsoever. There'll be sturdy line, lighting. 93 00:29:08.890 --> 00:29:17.209 Planning Dept.: Okay, in the design guidelines, I believe, to Mike's… Michael's question, I believe we prefer to see… 94 00:29:17.410 --> 00:29:26.799 Planning Dept.: illuminated… exterior illuminated lights, I think, in the design guidelines, but they're not requirement of guidelines. Page 9 of 52 Agenda Item #A. 95 00:29:27.320 --> 00:29:34.109 Planning Dept.: And, that's all I'm putting out there. I think when we've done Main Street signage. 96 00:29:34.980 --> 00:29:43.839 Planning Dept.: And we allowed… I'm trying to remember now, we allow internals, but if Stuart says there's no prohibition, do we get a Verizon, or a… 97 00:29:44.390 --> 00:29:50.500 Planning Dept.: We had some old… some cell provider sign this, and I… I remember. 98 00:29:50.500 --> 00:30:08.799 Planning Dept.: Are you making the distinction between a sign that has external light shining onto it, as opposed to… there are definitely a couple, on Upper Main Street that are illuminated themselves. Yeah, okay, that's what I was thinking, too, and as Stuart said, it's not that we have to prohibit it, because there's no prohibition. Okay, so… 99 00:30:08.800 --> 00:30:13.060 Planning Dept.: unless there are any other questions, should I move that we… is there a motion to hold? 100 00:30:14.740 --> 00:30:21.860 Planning Dept.: Any motion to vote, Steve, and there's a second. Oh, I will second, please. Okay. All in favor? 101 00:30:22.080 --> 00:30:23.759 Planning Dept.: Alright, alright, alright. 102 00:30:24.030 --> 00:30:25.410 Planning Dept.: Look forward to going there. 103 00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:30.770 P_Patino: Thank you very much, I appreciate it. Just one more question, 104 00:30:30.930 --> 00:30:40.319 P_Patino: This will be… I have sent an email to the building department since they had new regulations in terms of their signage and all. 105 00:30:40.450 --> 00:30:48.419 P_Patino: Where if they were doing something what was previous, they didn't need it to file for a new sign permit. 106 00:30:48.620 --> 00:31:03.029 P_Patino: With the okay from you guys, would I be able to manufacture, or would I have to still go through the building department, even though, they said it wasn't required? I was a little confused on that. Page 10 of 52 Agenda Item #A. 107 00:31:03.030 --> 00:31:16.260 Planning Dept.: Well, I'm not aware… I'm looking at Corporation Council, I'm not aware of any changes that would change how this application is handled. So I think that you still do need to wait for the building department, but fortunately, this should go pretty quickly. 108 00:31:17.720 --> 00:31:26.210 P_Patino: Okay, so I will just, wait for, your paperwork, and I'll go from there into bringing it to the building department. 109 00:31:26.210 --> 00:31:38.400 Planning Dept.: Well, right. Once you have the signed, certificate of appropriateness from this board, which would be a couple of days from now, you'll need to file for the signed permit, and then sort of follow what the building department says after that point. 110 00:31:39.420 --> 00:31:41.650 P_Patino: Awesome. Appreciate it. Thank you so much. 111 00:31:41.850 --> 00:31:43.870 Planning Dept.: Thank you. Bye, bye. 112 00:31:43.980 --> 00:31:44.960 Planning Dept.: Okay. 113 00:31:44.960 --> 00:31:45.690 P_Patino: M.A. 114 00:31:46.130 --> 00:31:49.820 Planning Dept.: Good night. Moving on to Hacienda El Patio. 115 00:31:50.730 --> 00:31:52.949 Planning Dept.: Anyone here to present something? 116 00:31:54.210 --> 00:31:58.300 Planning Dept.: No, okay. Not certainly not in person and not virtually. 117 00:31:58.600 --> 00:32:02.699 Planning Dept.: Is there any… I mean, do we want to give a little background on this, just so the board is… 118 00:32:03.300 --> 00:32:10.320 Planning Dept.: Aware? Sure. This used to be… I think Emma Anadita. 119 00:32:10.860 --> 00:32:15.500 Planning Dept.: in a prior life, it was something well before that issue. Page 11 of 52 Agenda Item #A. 120 00:32:16.350 --> 00:32:19.399 Planning Dept.: This came befo… well, let me back up. 121 00:32:20.300 --> 00:32:23.279 Planning Dept.: The building department issued an order to remedy. 122 00:32:23.670 --> 00:32:27.680 Planning Dept.: Because they noted the change in paint color. 123 00:32:27.900 --> 00:32:38.060 Planning Dept.: which had not been approved by this board. So as a result, that resulted in the application to HPC, 124 00:32:38.150 --> 00:32:54.829 Planning Dept.: or a certificate of appropriateness, in essence, an after-the-fact certificate of Appropriateness. I thought that was a really good rendering. Because it was a very good rendering, because it was the actual thing. So this is one of those circumstances where the building departments 125 00:32:54.940 --> 00:33:04.220 Planning Dept.: order to remedy in their action resulted in the application to you folks. So unlike where you usually… as in the other case, you got a referral 126 00:33:04.490 --> 00:33:22.600 Planning Dept.: from the building inspector. Here, there's no referral, it's just as a result of the OTR. And again, ordinarily, a paint change does not result in a need for a certificate of appropriateness, but the change in colors you can have seen to what is now from the yellowish 127 00:33:22.600 --> 00:33:40.640 Planning Dept.: to what is now the blue. Oh, yeah. That's what resulted in the, in this. And they did the canopy, too, so you can't just repaint. They did… everything was done, that is correct. And everything, wow. So they are, you know. 128 00:33:40.670 --> 00:33:59.649 Planning Dept.: Now, ordinarily, we like to have the applicant here. That's usually the process. This order to remedy was issued on August 21st, and obviously, it would, you know, await what happens here, but that's sort of the background as to what's going on here with regard to this particular location. 129 00:33:59.760 --> 00:34:13.469 Planning Dept.: Wow, so that… I haven't, been around there to notice it. Can you call up the approved one, Benny? Probably. Yeah, I remember, I noticed this maybe a week or two ago. 130 00:34:13.810 --> 00:34:27.420 Planning Dept.: the color of that blue kind of shocked me. I don't remember approving this, because I remember the signage did, but, you know… That old yellow was terrible, so… 131 Page 12 of 52 Agenda Item #A. 00:34:28.300 --> 00:34:46.490 Planning Dept.: So, folks, this is what was approved. This was the old Elmanabita, but they changed… you agreed… you approved the sign before, and… but the color in the back stayed the same. 132 00:34:46.530 --> 00:34:51.249 Planning Dept.: So, what has now happened is they put the sign up, but they've now 133 00:34:51.409 --> 00:35:11.320 Planning Dept.: taken down El Matabita, but now it basically is that blue color that you, you now see. Did it say in the C of A whether the color would be maintained, or it was silent about the color? It was silent because it was just… it was just a sign application. Right. So there was nothing about that. So they changed the paint color to… okay, yeah. 134 00:35:11.740 --> 00:35:14.239 Planning Dept.: And also the canopy, and 135 00:35:14.820 --> 00:35:18.140 Planning Dept.: And the doors, yes, yes, of course, yes. 136 00:35:18.280 --> 00:35:25.560 Planning Dept.: little pieluster and everything. At least they did… they were consistent in the detailing. They didn't just paint the pilots to all one color, you know, they were… 137 00:35:25.730 --> 00:35:32.700 Planning Dept.: They kept us the… Can we go back to the existing code? Yeah, I mean, the new, the exist… there you go. Yeah, there we go. 138 00:35:34.130 --> 00:35:53.040 Planning Dept.: Okay. Yeah. So it basically now makes the two buildings, because remember, there was a building to the right that is that same color, the way it was… Right here. And now it makes it look, you know, as a unique property, so I guess that was in their thinking. To give them more identity. 139 00:35:53.140 --> 00:35:58.860 Planning Dept.: And, okay. New earnings are flatter. Now they're just, like, decorative. Before, they were deeper. 140 00:35:59.230 --> 00:36:18.429 Planning Dept.: Possibly that's true, you know, unless they just painted over to red. God, I don't know. I… I don't know. Obviously, the canopy aren't doing much for you, because you've got a lot of recess there. Well, to me, that… I mean, it sounds like, no one… unless someone says otherwise, no one's objecting, per se, to the blue. 141 00:36:20.130 --> 00:36:25.660 Planning Dept.: Have I heard otherwise? I mean, does anyone have a strong opinion about this? 142 00:36:26.090 --> 00:36:34.270 Page 13 of 52 Agenda Item #A. Planning Dept.: Which you're entitled to that. That is, like, the scene between… So, the fact that part of it was that it was going to still read as two buildings. 143 00:36:34.600 --> 00:36:41.200 Planning Dept.: And we don't have a more distant shot that shows… the other property. 144 00:36:42.240 --> 00:36:44.130 Planning Dept.: A way to consume later. 145 00:36:44.430 --> 00:36:47.900 Planning Dept.: Or rather, from, villa. 146 00:36:49.000 --> 00:36:55.880 Planning Dept.: I think it probably would not have been updated, but just so you can… so the board and the public can see that the band 147 00:36:58.620 --> 00:37:06.800 Planning Dept.: And then there's… That's an earlier iteration. Different earlier, yeah. Where am I? That's not… 148 00:37:27.350 --> 00:37:44.219 Planning Dept.: And in the regulations, yeah, oh, sorry, yeah. So, it reads as, like, you know, to Catherine's point, what I was saying earlier, the existing, yeah, it reads as more than one building, and it actually just makes it a bigger 149 00:37:44.390 --> 00:37:47.700 Planning Dept.: scale for the entire sign band. 150 00:37:47.700 --> 00:38:05.020 Planning Dept.: In other words, it's consistently colored because that building is one building, I think. Now it's a break. Well, as an address, it's 107113. Right, but the building that's above it is one building. That's correct, but and… 151 00:38:05.380 --> 00:38:16.559 Planning Dept.: the question… so, to me, I think there's truth to that, that, you know, when I was looking at it, I said, oh, okay, well, it still reads as one building, and now it reads… 152 00:38:17.310 --> 00:38:29.370 Planning Dept.: hot, you know, hot dog. Because the blue is to here, the white is to here, it's like… So it's not necessarily, per se, that blue is bad, it's that the rest of the building wasn't painted blue. 153 00:38:29.720 --> 00:38:34.980 Planning Dept.: And, also, there's… Is it? 154 00:38:35.380 --> 00:38:47.220 Page 14 of 52 Agenda Item #A. Planning Dept.: explicit. Now, I don't remember exactly what we say, but is it explicit that the paint… like you said, if the paint was going to be different than what was implicitly or explicitly approved. 155 00:38:47.530 --> 00:38:56.250 Planning Dept.: then they should have come to us. It's not another shade of yellow, it's very different. The position the board has taken in the past is that of 156 00:38:57.100 --> 00:39:15.400 Planning Dept.: a modification of the shade of color would never have to come back here, because otherwise you might be seeing applications literally month after month. Right. But something like this, which essentially goes from, if you want to call it, let's say, black to white, or in this case, yellow to this blue, 157 00:39:15.550 --> 00:39:32.029 Planning Dept.: And again, not just even the signage, you've got the awnings have been painted, the doors have been painted. Oh yeah, definitely. And so, for that reason, it was done. And again, the order to remedy, just to point out, the application is by Hacienda El Tallo. 158 00:39:32.570 --> 00:39:38.810 Planning Dept.: the order to remedy is issued to the building owner, because it's the owner who is ultimately 159 00:39:39.010 --> 00:39:54.849 Planning Dept.: who actually has to come in. I think there is an owner's authorization form for this case, where the owner says that they can apply for this. But, as you can see right there, because Mr. Cardenas is the owner, or Ms. Cardenas. So, in this case. 160 00:39:55.240 --> 00:39:58.060 Planning Dept.: I think what the board has done in the past is 161 00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:06.990 Planning Dept.: modest, color changes, no issue, you know, it doesn't even come before you. Building, you know, department will just 162 00:40:06.990 --> 00:40:23.620 Planning Dept.: you know, building department won't even do anything with it. I mean, you know, because there's generally not a requirement for a permit, but where you have something like this, that's where they will come in and say it has to come back. My recollection is on one like this, I probably was contacted by the code enforcement officer. 163 00:40:23.620 --> 00:40:36.689 Planning Dept.: who said, look at these pictures, does it have to go? And I know that… I believe both myself and the planning director looked at it and said, no, this has to go before… Yeah. So, that's why it's here. I think there are two issues. One is protocol. 164 00:40:36.910 --> 00:40:50.120 Planning Dept.: and setting a precedent. The other is, you know, as Catherine was saying, and I certainly try to point it out too, there just seemed to be a comfort level, last time I remember we looked at it, that it reads as one building, including the sign band. Page 15 of 52 Agenda Item #A. 165 00:40:50.290 --> 00:40:59.149 Planning Dept.: And, now it's very different. I have to say, I was… I don't know if anyone has been there. Yeah. But it does kind of… 166 00:40:59.330 --> 00:41:09.999 Planning Dept.: shock you. It's, you know, it's a… It's pretty strong… Well, that's why they probably did it. You go down, it's like… I'm sure that's why they did it. Well, they also seem to be going for a Greek… 167 00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:26.849 Planning Dept.: Latino cuisine. I see. A lot of Greek restaurants seem to be pain-painted to a bluish color, so they may be trying to… Blue and white, I think, is the Greek flag. Yeah, yeah. Well, see, my first thought is, they have a choice. I mean, we try to make things as… 168 00:41:27.260 --> 00:41:32.379 Planning Dept.: easy as we can for investors in our village. My thought would be. 169 00:41:32.590 --> 00:41:48.259 Planning Dept.: repaint it to match what was there, or paint the rest of it blue to match, and keep it one continuous band, because I guess, you know, blue versus beige or yellow, well, as long as it's consistent across the entire building, that seems to me 170 00:41:48.330 --> 00:42:03.150 Planning Dept.: possibly others will agree or disagree, the more important issue. Like, that might be problematic for the other businesses. I would think that Craven mill will not… may not want that. No, that's about… But that's… but that's an owner's decision he has to talk to his tenant about. Understood. Yeah. 171 00:42:03.150 --> 00:42:20.800 Planning Dept.: We can also, I mean, since the applicant isn't here, right, we can… but we just wanted to make sure that the board had the full… Yeah, the applicant's not here either, they're supposed to be here in person. Right. Yeah, you know, I just, you know, if we want some kind of, you know, sense when, you know, one's eye moves along the street, and some kind of… 172 00:42:20.850 --> 00:42:25.540 Planning Dept.: Rather than, you know, it's a free-for-all, and anybody can do what they want, I… 173 00:42:25.660 --> 00:42:36.680 Planning Dept.: walk by it, and you'll see your eye moves down and say, wait a minute, it's not coming right now. It's a… it's one building, it was a… we approved it with the sense that that stays 174 00:42:37.290 --> 00:42:49.179 Planning Dept.: And, the blue is a… the fact that it's blue, it could have been bright green, and we still have the same issue. Yeah. So I think… I'd suggest that as being… 175 00:42:49.750 --> 00:42:52.410 Planning Dept.: Thrown back to the owner to decide what to do. Page 16 of 52 Agenda Item #A. 176 00:42:53.530 --> 00:42:59.039 Planning Dept.: I think that what I would suggest is We can, you know. 177 00:42:59.570 --> 00:43:08.020 Planning Dept.: the Assistant Village Manager and I, we can communicate with the applicant to that extent, but I would… my suggestion would be to adjourn it 178 00:43:08.170 --> 00:43:12.979 Planning Dept.: until your November meeting, make it clear to the applicant they need to be here. 179 00:43:13.020 --> 00:43:30.579 Planning Dept.: And if they're not here in that time, there's a risk that they could actually be denied. And then, you know, then they've got a whole other situation that they have to deal with. But I think, because we do want to have applicants at these meetings, I think it's pretty clear that we should, you know, get, in this case. 180 00:43:30.580 --> 00:43:49.920 Planning Dept.: the owner of Hacienda El Patio down here, to deal with that, because… Well, would it be the Haciendo, it's really the building owner. Well, no, but the applicant here is actually Hacienda El Patio, because the owner gave them the authorization to make the application. I see, okay. Okay. 181 00:43:50.030 --> 00:43:52.550 Planning Dept.: So I cut back and, you know. 182 00:43:52.690 --> 00:43:57.820 Planning Dept.: They can paint the whole building, repaint it, or bring it back to all yellow. 183 00:43:59.790 --> 00:44:06.449 Planning Dept.: Do I make a motion to vote on that? A motion to adjourn the application. Yeah, a motion to adjourn. 184 00:44:07.220 --> 00:44:13.159 Planning Dept.: First and second? Okay, so this one, it's accepted. We're gonna adjourn. 185 00:44:13.390 --> 00:44:17.539 Planning Dept.: Yes. And we have a point of view tentatively laid out. 186 00:44:18.730 --> 00:44:19.700 Planning Dept.: Okay. 187 00:44:20.950 --> 00:44:23.130 Planning Dept.: Continuing. 188 Page 17 of 52 Agenda Item #A. 00:44:23.250 --> 00:44:40.870 Planning Dept.: That was quick. So, I'd love to hear anything, since it's on our agenda, very nice that it is, about the, VEX credit and the Black Historic District, if someone would like to discuss that. If not, then I'll take up another topic in some time that we have left. 189 00:44:41.240 --> 00:44:45.550 Planning Dept.: Well, I wasn't sure. I don't think what we discussed last time has been 190 00:44:46.310 --> 00:45:04.430 Planning Dept.: to get to the website. I'm not sure, I sort of left it with you and Jamie to sort of double back with her. I was gonna call, and then I saw it was on the agenda here, and I thought there was something else we needed to discuss, but Daniel, you weren't here, so, you know, I just rewrote it. 191 00:45:04.910 --> 00:45:13.050 Planning Dept.: I think we went through it as a group, and then… This would be on our website now? Yeah. That'd be great. And so… 192 00:45:13.050 --> 00:45:35.389 Planning Dept.: Where does it exist now? It's not on the website. We haven't, I guess, approved it? Yes. So there were some pretty… if I may, there were some pretty substantive changes that were recommended, and I think everyone who was in attendance at that meeting said they were very comfortable with the approach. The webmaster for the village is Jamie Hoffman in the manager's office, so I know Mr. Casey had set up some time to meet with her. I don't know if you all came into the office. 193 00:45:35.390 --> 00:45:59.099 Planning Dept.: Yeah, we did, we had… the three of us met, and I thought it was going to happen, and then I don't know why it didn't. I will have to ask her, I don't know. Okay. And then when I saw it here, I thought, oh, okay, maybe… Oh, no! …you know, it needed to be reviewed again or something. No, I think, unless the chair feels differently, I think the impression that I got was we were going to carry these issues over from meeting to meeting until they were resolved to the census. Yeah, let's do that. 194 00:45:59.130 --> 00:46:04.730 Planning Dept.: I think just to… we had discussed, you know, I put out a draft a few months ago. 195 00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:18.940 Planning Dept.: I revised that. That was based on the input. That was the product. We reviewed it together at the August meeting, and it was fine, or there were no objections, so we, 196 00:46:19.100 --> 00:46:26.480 Planning Dept.: Okay, well, how do I get ahold of it, or I wasn't aware I can access it. Sure, it's… so it's uploaded in the, 197 00:46:26.660 --> 00:46:42.670 Planning Dept.: in the agenda as a link. Oh, great, okay. It's the same, the same exact text, I believe, as we discussed maybe two months ago. Yeah, I see, I see what you're talking about. I didn't notice that. Okay, great. So, next, next meeting, hopefully we just approve it, and then it gets on the web. 198 Page 18 of 52 Agenda Item #A. 00:46:42.770 --> 00:46:44.050 Planning Dept.: Yeah, right? 199 00:46:44.050 --> 00:47:08.270 Planning Dept.: I don't know that it needs, a formal approval, whereas in the past, when we talked about, making changes to the significant structures guide and things like that, that's actually, like, a village-owned document, so that would need to go to the Board of Trustees, but this is really just text on the website, it's not a policy or a document. So as long as this board says it's okay, we'll make the changes, we'll show it at the next meeting, and then if everyone's good with it, there's nothing else to do. Well, are the changes… 200 00:47:08.270 --> 00:47:19.659 Planning Dept.: on this slide right now? This is what Mr. Casey has prepared. Okay, and somebody's… and some changes that are not on the slide, it has to be done? Nope, this is what… this reflects 201 00:47:19.790 --> 00:47:37.369 Planning Dept.: the input from a few months before that, so this is the revision, and how we viewed it collectively in August. It will replace several of the things that are here now. Yeah, show me… I think… I'd just like to see, if you get on our webpage, where would you find the final document when it's done? So… 202 00:47:37.500 --> 00:47:56.859 Planning Dept.: I want to make sure I'm answering the question that's being asked. So, right now, what's in the document that Mr. Casey has authored, and what's, you know, going through the process of being added, is nowhere on the HPC page. Where you can find it is posted in the agenda for the last three HPC… No, no, I understand that, but once it's… we approve it, and it sounds like you took care of… 203 00:47:56.860 --> 00:48:21.760 Planning Dept.: Sorry, I haven't read it yet, and I'm looking forward to it, but I trust if everybody reviewed the documents, and if it turns out later we want to revise it again, it's no big deal. So I'm for posting it right now, but… so where do we post it? I think that's the only question, if in fact, we have any latitude. So I think… please go ahead. I think there were a couple different sections that maybe in the book have proposed changes to. We can maybe hash that out here, because that's more 204 00:48:21.760 --> 00:48:23.620 Planning Dept.: I'll send it back and forth, yeah. 205 00:48:23.760 --> 00:48:26.829 Planning Dept.: So, resources, I thought, is where it could go. 206 00:48:27.570 --> 00:48:28.330 Planning Dept.: Sorry. 207 00:48:29.660 --> 00:48:53.289 Planning Dept.: Because that's previous, you know, self… and right there is another point. I think we had discovered that some of these links were no longer active, so they needed to be updated and replaced. Right. You know, I can't speak, you know, with any detail to the discussion that you all had. I just remember that there were some chunks of the document that you had proposed that would be going in different places on these many pages within the HBCs. Yeah, what… Page 19 of 52 Agenda Item #A. 208 00:48:53.290 --> 00:48:58.599 Planning Dept.: what I did was take… some of these links are not working any longer. Yeah. But… 209 00:48:58.610 --> 00:49:02.399 Planning Dept.: what I did was take a few, and some of them are… 210 00:49:03.110 --> 00:49:14.140 Planning Dept.: links that are embedded in… already embedded in other links there, so it's kind of redundant to do it that way. So, in the narrative I wrote. 211 00:49:14.470 --> 00:49:17.199 Planning Dept.: There are links embedded in there. 212 00:49:17.460 --> 00:49:18.560 Planning Dept.: would she… 213 00:49:18.780 --> 00:49:28.580 Planning Dept.: were already on that list, and then if you click on one or two of these links, you will get some of those other links. Well, that's wonderful. So, it kind of… 214 00:49:28.580 --> 00:49:40.079 Planning Dept.: Well, that's terrific, you solved the problem that was on the webpage. Yeah. So, great! So, is it as simple as just making another bullet point on our webpage under resources, and we're done? 215 00:49:40.720 --> 00:49:50.320 Planning Dept.: again, I'm sort of, you know, caught flat-footed here. I've not really been involved in this conversation. Can we ask somebody to… could we make a motion, or can I make a… 216 00:49:50.320 --> 00:50:06.239 Planning Dept.: an agreement that we're asking somebody to tell us if it can be done. You don't need to make a motion. Jamie Hoffman, who's the webmaster, has already been working with Mr. Casey on this. I can't speak to where they are in the process, but anything you want that to look like can be done. Okay, so we go to… I go to that webpage. 217 00:50:06.240 --> 00:50:12.859 Planning Dept.: the… Yep, and then under resources. 218 00:50:13.180 --> 00:50:29.900 Planning Dept.: So I think that's a good place for it. We could just put the narrative right there. Yep. And then… Wait a minute, the narrative where it's the bottom? In the points, another bullet point? We could even get rid of those bullets there. All of them? Because they're embedded in the document I wrote. 219 00:50:29.900 --> 00:50:34.490 Planning Dept.: Well, you know, with all due respect, though, unless the link doesn't work. Page 20 of 52 Agenda Item #A. 220 00:50:35.070 --> 00:50:43.799 Planning Dept.: It's nice to see that those are separate, because what would be the title of it? It would be Historic Preservation Tax Program and Grants. 221 00:50:43.840 --> 00:50:59.659 Planning Dept.: So, you wouldn't necessarily know that you could also go to some of the other documents that sit under bullet points, right? You… yeah, that's a… that's… that's an idea as well. So, we'd like people to know that it's there, and maybe there's just a footnote that says if the links do not work, refer to… 222 00:51:00.100 --> 00:51:02.230 Planning Dept.: you know, this. Yeah. 223 00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:09.000 Planning Dept.: Is it that simple? And maybe the links will get fixed one day. Again… 224 00:51:09.330 --> 00:51:20.380 Planning Dept.: The best person who is not here, because she has many, many other responsibilities, is Jamie Hoffman, who Steve's been contacting with. They will be able to work their magic. 225 00:51:20.390 --> 00:51:30.449 Planning Dept.: All right, so the decision then is, if you can contact her, and you race out the bullet, well, I'm… I'd just like to make a note. I think 226 00:51:30.580 --> 00:51:37.460 Planning Dept.: To the extent it's not obvious, these other pieces of information could be embedded in something titled a tax credit. 227 00:51:37.640 --> 00:51:46.780 Planning Dept.: They still stay there, and maybe there's just a footnote or something that says, if weblins do not, you know, like an asterisk next to a website that doesn't work. 228 00:51:46.780 --> 00:51:59.030 Planning Dept.: And they asked where you say, oh, it's not activated right now, but you can go to the tax credit memo, and that's where you can find it. So at least it's very clear, at a glance, what kind of information we're trying to convey. 229 00:51:59.220 --> 00:52:03.659 Planning Dept.: And, you know, you worked it out with her. That's great, that's fabulous. Wow. 230 00:52:04.580 --> 00:52:10.259 Planning Dept.: Well, that's terrific. Well done. How about the, anything on the Black Historic District? 231 00:52:10.550 --> 00:52:35.170 ethanalter: Yes, sorry again for not being able to be there tonight in person, but I reached out to Joyce and let her know about the meeting last week where I presented, or last month where I presented the sample Page 21 of 52 Agenda Item #A. page, and that it was received well, so now we're just sort of figuring out what four to five, sites we want to call out overall in this first wave. So, we're going back and forth and waiting on her, advice on which five 232 00:52:35.170 --> 00:52:36.710 ethanalter: to call out, so… 233 00:52:36.710 --> 00:52:40.420 Planning Dept.: There'll be something more to talk about. 234 00:52:40.420 --> 00:52:41.230 ethanalter: Yep. 235 00:52:41.230 --> 00:52:42.500 Planning Dept.: Okay, terrific. 236 00:52:43.480 --> 00:52:49.679 Planning Dept.: All right, well, we have, I don't know, half an hour, maybe that's about what we need to do. 237 00:52:49.960 --> 00:53:02.300 Planning Dept.: if I may say, I mentioned, or maybe some people got here, that the Liberty Street home, I think it was before Ethan maybe signed on, the Liberty Street home we approved many months ago, or a year ago. 238 00:53:03.760 --> 00:53:15.340 Planning Dept.: is almost completely enclosed now. I don't know what the interior is like, I haven't gone in, but it's next to my house, so obviously it's hard to ignore. And, as it started to go up. 239 00:53:15.540 --> 00:53:21.230 Planning Dept.: I finally got back and found the drawings that we approved, and 240 00:53:21.330 --> 00:53:36.400 Planning Dept.: Is it possible to show all the photos on one page? I'm not sure. Oh, okay. If someone is more computer savvy, certainly you can tell me, but I have all of them uploaded. Anyway, so, do you also have the revised set? 241 00:53:36.530 --> 00:53:38.790 Planning Dept.: Handing that we approved. 242 00:53:39.000 --> 00:53:44.009 Planning Dept.: I can certainly get it if you tell me what… I mean, I… It was approved on, 243 00:53:44.410 --> 00:53:50.729 Planning Dept.: All right, leave it alone right now. We can let this go to the next meeting. I just want to show the photos and point things out as I know them. Page 22 of 52 Agenda Item #A. 244 00:53:50.870 --> 00:54:00.689 Planning Dept.: So, here's a house on Liberty Street. I forgot the number of Liberty it is. In any event, obviously you can see the state of progress, fine. 245 00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:05.220 Planning Dept.: This window in the side lights 246 00:54:05.440 --> 00:54:07.670 Planning Dept.: Go to another photo I showed you. 247 00:54:07.930 --> 00:54:09.609 Planning Dept.: Just want to make sure that I'm screen sharing. 248 00:54:09.940 --> 00:54:10.840 Planning Dept.: Sure. 249 00:54:12.750 --> 00:54:13.640 Planning Dept.: Yeah. 250 00:54:14.550 --> 00:54:17.279 Planning Dept.: On the drawings that were revised. 251 00:54:17.490 --> 00:54:21.929 Planning Dept.: These were just one big piece of glass, and the side lights as well. 252 00:54:22.230 --> 00:54:29.220 Planning Dept.: And it never occurred to me to ask, are there going to be muttons, or is it going to be stained, whatever. It just shows the black. 253 00:54:29.620 --> 00:54:45.810 Planning Dept.: obviously, indication for a solid pane of glass. No notes or anything. This, of course, is what was installed. Also, this is the back door, by the way, and I think I showed the side… the front elevation. If you could go back to the front. 254 00:54:47.300 --> 00:54:51.480 Planning Dept.: Because that door also is, is, no, the front? 255 00:54:52.700 --> 00:55:03.729 Planning Dept.: Yeah, so I don't know if you can blow that up, but you'd see it's the same idea. This is one big black box, one big black box, one big black box in the drawings. 256 00:55:03.950 --> 00:55:08.280 Planning Dept.: I think y'all might have assumed just a big piece of glass, right? Page 23 of 52 Agenda Item #A. 257 00:55:08.460 --> 00:55:14.860 Planning Dept.: Nothing else indicated. Well, this is what they've done. It's sort of this pseudo-led Tiffany- style, whatever you want to call it. 258 00:55:15.060 --> 00:55:22.780 Planning Dept.: glass, and of course it's in there, and that's what made me start to look for the drawings. So that's one… 259 00:55:22.930 --> 00:55:29.729 Planning Dept.: thing that you could say is different from the drawings. Can you go back to the other drawings that I… the other photos I sent? 260 00:55:31.570 --> 00:55:37.850 Planning Dept.: Another one, let's see what else we got there. Yeah, okay, stop there. 261 00:55:38.280 --> 00:55:41.730 Planning Dept.: The other revised drawing of the south elevation 262 00:55:42.070 --> 00:55:45.919 Planning Dept.: Showed a big, sliding glass door here. 263 00:55:46.430 --> 00:55:50.519 Planning Dept.: As I recall. Obviously, you can see it's a blank wall. 264 00:55:50.960 --> 00:56:07.209 Planning Dept.: And there's a door next to it, and that door was the other single door that has a sort of leaded glass, pseudo-leaded glass frame. So, it's just that it's different, okay? It's just not what was on the drawing as I saw, that was revised. And, 265 00:56:07.370 --> 00:56:10.539 Planning Dept.: go… I believe I did a side view. 266 00:56:14.720 --> 00:56:16.780 Planning Dept.: Another, another shot. 267 00:56:17.790 --> 00:56:20.669 Planning Dept.: No, I didn't label them. I guess I would have helped you. 268 00:56:20.870 --> 00:56:22.029 Planning Dept.: I'll stop. 269 00:56:22.250 --> 00:56:23.990 Planning Dept.: So, here's that door. Page 24 of 52 Agenda Item #A. 270 00:56:24.180 --> 00:56:32.629 Planning Dept.: this thing was supposed to be a slider, and this was supposed to be a slider. It's now, as you can see, a window, which is… 271 00:56:32.860 --> 00:56:34.009 Planning Dept.: To me, it's fine. 272 00:56:34.620 --> 00:56:39.669 Planning Dept.: I don't, in my view, consider these to be significantly detrimental. 273 00:56:39.960 --> 00:56:41.200 Planning Dept.: But they're different. 274 00:56:41.590 --> 00:56:45.010 Planning Dept.: You know, and also, by the way, when they revise 275 00:56:45.150 --> 00:56:52.180 Planning Dept.: the drawings, I couldn't find this elevation, the east elevation, among all the elevations drawn. 276 00:56:52.700 --> 00:57:01.319 Planning Dept.: So, it wasn't shown as a revised elevation from the original drawing. The original east elevation drawing, as I said, had a slider here. 277 00:57:02.160 --> 00:57:09.569 Planning Dept.: But this is what it is now, whatever. So, it's interesting that there were some changes made. 278 00:57:09.740 --> 00:57:14.120 Planning Dept.: You might say they're significant. Somebody changed the window arrangements and the style. 279 00:57:14.410 --> 00:57:15.740 Planning Dept.: Or maybe… 280 00:57:15.900 --> 00:57:31.809 Planning Dept.: it's not much significant other than procedural, that, you know, do we call them back and have them resubmit and vote on it? It's, I guess, more of a procedural question. I hate to think that anybody can just make changes 281 00:57:31.960 --> 00:57:34.749 Planning Dept.: But doesn't the… when the billing department gets a… 282 00:57:35.340 --> 00:57:42.469 Planning Dept.: a project for permit. Yeah. They compare it to what was approved by… Well, I haven't seen Page 25 of 52 Agenda Item #A. the drawings, I guess… It's a building site. 283 00:57:42.710 --> 00:57:47.139 Planning Dept.: Okay, so that's a good point. So, if they change something. 284 00:57:47.360 --> 00:57:52.150 Planning Dept.: between BAR review and approval, and building permit. 285 00:57:53.370 --> 00:57:56.089 Planning Dept.: They then get called when they have to come back. 286 00:57:56.500 --> 00:58:09.289 Planning Dept.: Well, that is the way it should work, but I also have to say, Chair, you sent me this half an hour ago, so I don't have any… No, no, no. Where I'm going with this is that… 287 00:58:09.690 --> 00:58:11.420 Planning Dept.: That… that process… 288 00:58:12.050 --> 00:58:23.770 Planning Dept.: That's the process that's in place that catches this… Correct. …and review and prove it. Correct. It doesn't come back to us unless it's, like, a wholesale change. Exactly. And if we see something. 289 00:58:23.890 --> 00:58:40.059 Planning Dept.: Yeah. First of all, we can… I think, you know, we can talk about anything that's different. I mean, there's no harm in talking, right? Yeah. And second of all, presumably the building department drawings, which I've yet to… I couldn't readily see any on site, and one guy I asked, you know, didn't 290 00:58:40.290 --> 00:58:58.420 Planning Dept.: wouldn't talk to them. It's okay. I don't know whether those double… that window pattern, for example, and the other changes are on the construction drawings, and presumably when they reviewed it for a permit, they checked it against the approved HPC drawings. 291 00:58:58.540 --> 00:59:06.240 Planning Dept.: Or maybe it wasn't, and they just decided to make the change on the fly, because obviously there's not a lot to do there to make the change. 292 00:59:06.490 --> 00:59:13.259 Planning Dept.: So I don't have an answer to that. Of course, we can find out. I assume the inspector has been there. 293 00:59:14.820 --> 00:59:26.180 Planning Dept.: to inspect framing, anyway. Somebody had to be there. So I don't think it's never been looked at. So I'm bringing it up now to explore what possibly HPC should do. 294 00:59:26.870 --> 00:59:29.470 Page 26 of 52 Agenda Item #A. Planning Dept.: Other than just ignore it. 295 00:59:29.920 --> 00:59:38.260 Planning Dept.: And I don't consider the changes in themselves life-changing, or something that means they gotta rip it out and change it. 296 00:59:38.680 --> 00:59:42.350 Planning Dept.: But I don't think we should just let them think they can make changes. 297 00:59:42.760 --> 00:59:45.140 Planning Dept.: Well, I think it's a wish. 298 00:59:45.570 --> 00:59:50.110 Planning Dept.: I know, having done plenty of work in this town, that if there's 299 00:59:50.300 --> 00:59:57.250 Planning Dept.: Anything that's even remotely different from the drawings, and the inspector catches it, that we have to resubmit, like. 300 00:59:57.430 --> 01:00:00.809 Planning Dept.: either Advilts or whatever for approval, so… 301 01:00:02.320 --> 01:00:12.489 Planning Dept.: That is generally the policy, yeah. So, like, it… it should be the building department re- referring the project to us if it… 302 01:00:12.940 --> 01:00:19.029 Planning Dept.: Has a historical… You know, impact, or if it… if it requires another… 303 01:00:19.150 --> 01:00:23.279 Planning Dept.: you know, no impact letter from the HVC, like, I… 304 01:00:23.720 --> 01:00:28.180 Planning Dept.: It would seem to make sense that it would follow back through the process again. 305 01:00:28.440 --> 01:00:34.770 Planning Dept.: Well, as I said, I mean, yes, there should be… it should take… it's… Heracle. 306 01:00:35.040 --> 01:00:48.869 Planning Dept.: you know, the billing department, to my knowledge, hasn't done anything, at least to alert us to this. Maybe they've seen it, maybe they hadn't noticed it. Maybe there's something else they got filed, and for some reason never came to our attention. 307 01:00:48.920 --> 01:00:57.979 Page 27 of 52 Agenda Item #A. Planning Dept.: I just think as a matter of, policy, we should let them think that it doesn't matter, even though ultimately, at least in my view. 308 01:00:58.420 --> 01:01:02.840 Planning Dept.: it doesn't matter in terms of the final product. Why don't we… 309 01:01:03.210 --> 01:01:22.950 Planning Dept.: allow the building inspector to let Maddie and myself know exactly what has happened. Good. Because we're right now talking sort of in full bond. Right. And since the building inspector is the one who would have done it, and we don't know what those claims show, it's probably better to get at least some word from him before 310 01:01:23.190 --> 01:01:30.859 Planning Dept.: anything else has to go down the road. There have been circumstances where HPC has, in essence, required 311 01:01:31.710 --> 01:01:37.260 Planning Dept.: an amended CO8, where there have been significant changes different than 312 01:01:38.860 --> 01:01:47.239 Planning Dept.: to the… and what the plans are. Catherine, you may remember there was a structure on Main Street where they basically rebuilt the entire back of the place, which 313 01:01:47.480 --> 01:02:03.389 Planning Dept.: completely different than what the plans were. So they had to come back here, and that was picked up by the building department. So here, we just have to see. I think it's there. Let's see what the building department has done, what inspections have been done, and then we can, you know, we can report back to you folks. 314 01:02:03.600 --> 01:02:15.180 Planning Dept.: Yeah, and so there are two questions. One, of course, Stuart answer, and the other is, you know, it comes back one way or the other, you know, do we consider it to be significant changes that, you know, you could possibly have to rebuild? 315 01:02:15.340 --> 01:02:18.300 Planning Dept.: I mean, I'm not going there right now, I'm just wondering that. 316 01:02:18.780 --> 01:02:22.620 Planning Dept.: Okay, so that's the, update on the budget. 317 01:02:23.360 --> 01:02:33.620 Planning Dept.: Daniel, I think you do have a point. I mean, it's not, you know, just to make the point that not anything can fly. I mean, as you said before, even with the… 318 01:02:33.730 --> 01:02:35.039 Planning Dept.: No, we just… Page 28 of 52 Agenda Item #A. 319 01:02:35.300 --> 01:02:47.020 Planning Dept.: there's a procedure, and there's a process. Yeah, I think, you know, I think we need to make a point. Yeah, we take our time to come here, I mean, there's a reason for it, and… but we also don't want to make it, you know. 320 01:02:48.120 --> 01:02:55.270 Planning Dept.: On the one elevation that faces liberty? 321 01:02:55.430 --> 01:02:57.450 Planning Dept.: Right now, the faces Rockbuds. 322 01:02:57.990 --> 01:02:59.520 Planning Dept.: That looks very different. 323 01:02:59.740 --> 01:03:04.579 Planning Dept.: The… the detail on the front door, and… and that, and the side lights… 324 01:03:04.870 --> 01:03:23.670 Planning Dept.: Actually, I got… anything that, just offhand, a neighbor on Liberty, when I asked, what do you think of the house? She went on for 5 minutes how awful the doors look. So, you know, too. I'll say I like them, but… Yeah, it wasn't my first, and my wife lives in Weston. 325 01:03:23.780 --> 01:03:37.799 Planning Dept.: the missing slider on the one elevation, because it's just this giant blank wall of sliding, right? Well, no, there's a door next to it and a slider, and so there is a door… I have to say, as a neighbor, I prefer to have what they built. 326 01:03:37.920 --> 01:03:56.459 Planning Dept.: Because it's a bit more private. Oh, I see. But, you know, still, it doesn't matter what I think. I mean, it matters, but to the right there, that one elevation, it's just, it's all siding, it looks like. Yeah, you don't… from that view, you don't see the little door. Yeah. Okay. I don't personally object, but then again, that's not the form. 327 01:03:56.880 --> 01:04:00.219 Planning Dept.: See, like, the gray house there? It has windows all over it. 328 01:04:00.990 --> 01:04:12.099 Planning Dept.: Yes, the gray house next to it. And by the way, I don't think that was a subtle, you know, way of him trying to ingratiate himself with the chair by painting his house the same color as mine, I don't know. 329 01:04:12.120 --> 01:04:13.800 Planning Dept.: But, there's the same color. 330 Page 29 of 52 Agenda Item #A. 01:04:13.800 --> 01:04:32.610 Planning Dept.: Yeah, it's pretty much the same gray, I think. It is hard to tell myself. How could I argue with the gray? All right, so we'll… we'll check with the building inspector. I just sent him an email now, so hopefully we'll… Good, so we'll talk about it next month. Good. All right, it's on the agenda, and it's always on the agenda, just FYI, to have 331 01:04:32.970 --> 01:04:37.099 Planning Dept.: the Black History and the, HBC thing. 332 01:04:37.480 --> 01:04:51.750 Planning Dept.: If there's anything… the tax credit thing. I guess that could come off of the, agenda for next time, because we've now dealt with it. You know, so next time it's Black Historic District is the only thing that can keep recurring. 333 01:04:52.370 --> 01:04:55.290 Planning Dept.: Until you say it doesn't need to be. Okay. 334 01:04:55.290 --> 01:04:56.060 ethanalter: That's good. 335 01:04:56.510 --> 01:05:05.809 Planning Dept.: Thank you. Do I hear a motion to adjourn? I have a motion to adjourn. Second. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you all. 336 01:05:06.690 --> 01:05:07.999 Planning Dept.: Okay, guys. Page 30 of 52 Agenda Item #A. VILLAGE OF OSSINING Planning Department John-Paul Rodrigues Ossining Operations Center 101 Route 9A, PO Box 1166 Ossining, NY 10562 (914) 762-6232 www.villageofossiningny.gov _____________________________________________________________________________________ HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION APPLICATION APPLICATIONS MUST BE SUBMITTED AT CITYSQUARED.COM WITH A REFERRAL FROM THE BUILDING INSPECTOR. PROPERTY INFORMATION Location of Project:_____________________________________________________________ 107 Main St, Ossining NY 11 Section___________Block__________Lot__________ 89.19 6 Zoning VC District:________________ CONTACT INFORMATION Owner:_______________________________________________________________________ Jennette Gonzalez Address:______________________________________________________________________ 13 Meadowbrook Drive, Ossining NY, 10562 Telephone: ________________________________________________ Email:__ _____________________________________ Architect/Engineer:_____________________________________________________________ N/A Address:______________________________________________________________________ Telephone:____________________________________________________________________ Email:________________________________________________________________________ Please Check Action Requested: Certificate of Appropriateness for sign/awning $125 Certificate of Appropriateness for all other actions $175 Designation of Landmark or Historic District Donation of Façade Easement Brief Description of Proposal: ______________________________________________________________________________ The job done was a simple repaint from the red that was painted before to blue ______________________________________________________________________________ to match the Greek theme, none of the brick was painted and the mouldings ______________________________________________________________________________ were kept white ______________________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________________ 1 By Village of Ossining Planning Dept. at 12:52 pm, Aug 28, 2025 Page 31 of 52 Agenda Item #A. General Information  Applications must be complete and submitted to the Department of Planning by 12:00 pm on the deadline date (see attached schedule). NO EXCEPTIONS. If the application is deemed incomplete by the Department Staff you will be contacted.  Applicant must be the owner, tenant, or contract vendee.  The applicant or a representative must be present at the hearing in order for the application to be considered.  Please refer to the Village of Ossining’s Architectural Guidelines on the Village website.  If an approval is granted by the Historic Preservation Commission, no construction shall commence until all required approvals are granted and permits obtained through the Building Department. The Building Department can be contacted at (914) 941-3199.  Applicants whose property is located in a historic district must simultaneously file and application with the Board of Architectural Review.  Applications requesting designation of landmark or historic district or donation of a façade easement: If a positive recommendation from the HPC is received, the Village Board of Trustees will take up the application and will hold a public hearing. 2 By Village of Ossining Planning Dept. at 12:52 pm, Aug 28, 2025 Page 32 of 52 Agenda Item #A. Checklist for HPC Application Pre-Application Meeting. Date:_______________________ A copy of the referral letter from the Building Inspector. This requires an application to the Building Department. Completed application form Copy of the deed Contract, Notarized Owner Authorization Form, or power of attorney (if applicant is not the owner) A digital copy of all application documents submitted at www.citysquared.com Building elevations that include exterior architectural features which are proposed to be changed.* Descriptions of materials and colors should be labeled on the plans. Photographs of the affected building elevations, as well as the immediate surrounding areas Renderings of the subject building in context with the surrounding buildings Cut sheets for doors and windows, as well as any other ornamental architectural features Samples of colors and/or materials (bring to meeting or provide high-resolution images) Provide any available historical information, photos, or date of construction For signs or lettering: o A scale drawing showing the type of lettering, all dimensions and colors, a description of materials to be used and the method of illumination, if any, and a plan showing the location of the building/property For Designation of Landmark or Historic District: o Completed application o Outline of location of the district or landmark and reasons why it should be considered o Evidence regarding historical, cultural, and/or architectural significance o Description of the general character of the area For Donation of façade easement: o Completed application o Photographs of property o Brief outline of the location of the façade and reasons why it should be considered All application fees/escrow paid to the Village of Ossining By signing below, you deem this application complete according to the directives set forth by the Village of Ossining Planning Department and the Village of Ossining Zoning Code. Signature of Owner:_____________________________________________________________ Signature of Applicant (if not owner):_______________________________________________ Date:________________________ 8/28/2025 3 By Village of Ossining Planning Dept. at 12:52 pm, Aug 28, 2025 Page 33 of 52  Agenda Item #A. Page 34 of 52 By Village of Ossining Planning Dept. at 12:51 pm, Aug 28, 2025  Agenda Item #A. Page 35 of 52 By Village of Ossining Planning Dept. at 12:51 pm, Aug 28, 2025  Agenda Item #A. Page 36 of 52 By Village of Ossining Planning Dept. at 12:51 pm, Aug 28, 2025  Agenda Item #A. Page 37 of 52 By Village of Ossining Planning Dept. at 12:51 pm, Aug 28, 2025 Agenda Item #A. By Village of Ossining Planning Dept. at 12:52 pm, Aug 28, 2025 Page 38 of 52 Agenda Item #B. VILLAGE OF OSSINING BUILDING DEPARTMENT Building Permit Referral Form SECTION: 89.19 BLOCK: 4 LOT: 50 ADDRESS: 26 South Highland Ave. Residential X Commercial Institutional Other TYPE OF IMPROVEMENT: Proposed Wall Mounted Sign for Yalla Mr. Halal OWNER: 26 South Highland Ave. LLC CONTRACTOR: Rodas Printing and Signs ARCHITECT/ENGINEER: N/A Zoning Variance: Parking Waiver: Conditional Use Permit: Architectural Review Board: Historic Preservation Committee: 270-25(G) HADD - Issuance of Certificate of Appropriateness Reason for Referral: 1) Requires Historic Preservation Committee approval for the proposed wall mounted sign for Yalla Mr. Halal Signature: (Building Inspector) Date: September 04, 2025 Page 39 of 52 Agenda Item #B. 89.19 4 50 VC By Village of Ossining Planning Dept. at 2:45 pm, Sep 15, 2025 Page 40 of 52 Agenda Item #B. By Village of Ossining Planning Dept. at 2:45 pm, Sep 15, 2025 Page 41 of 52 Agenda Item #B. By Village of Ossining Planning Dept. at 2:46 pm, Sep 15, 2025 Page 42 of 52  By Village of Ossining Planning Dept. at 2:42 pm, Sep 15, 2025 Agenda Item #B. Page 43 of 52  Agenda Item #B. By Village of Ossining Planning Dept. at 2:41 pm, Sep 15, 2025 Page 44 of 52  Agenda Item #B. By Village of Ossining Planning Dept. at 2:42 pm, Sep 15, 2025 Page 45 of 52  Agenda Item #B. By Village of Ossining Planning Dept. at 2:42 pm, Sep 15, 2025 Page 46 of 52  Agenda Item #B. By Village of Ossining Planning Dept. at 2:42 pm, Sep 15, 2025 Page 47 of 52 Agenda Item #B. By Village of Ossining Planning Dept. at 2:44 pm, Sep 15, 2025 Page 48 of 52 Agenda Item #A. Guidance on landmark and historic district designation The Board of Trustees of the Village of Ossining, New York, has declared that it is a public purpose to ensure that Historical and Architectural Design Districts and Historic Landmarks be maintained and preserved to promote their use for the education, pleasure and welfare of the citizens of the Village of Ossining (the “Village”), New York, and others (excerpted from the Village Code). In furtherance of this, and to respond to numerous inquiries from Village residents regarding landmark and historic site designation, the Historic Preservation Commission publishes the following guidance. Benefits of landmark designation Landmark designation offers benefits for property owners and the Village including: • Protecting and preserving historically significant buildings, landscapes, and sites for future generations by discouraging and preventing demolition and inappropriate alterations. It is important to note that landmark designation does not necessarily prevent alterations made to update a property’s characteristics to conform with modern living and safety standards but instead helps ensure responsible and considerate change, allowing for updates and renovations while respecting the original character of a structure. • Economic benefits to individuals and the Village can include tourism (leading to increased revenue for local businesses); potentially higher property values (according to the National Trust for Historic Preservation); and access to funding and grants (including tax credits specifically designed to offset the costs of rehabilitation and maintenance). • Community revitalization, investment, identity and pride. • Sustainable development by promoting the reuse of existing structures, reducing waste, and lessening the environmental impact of new construction. Landmark designation occurs at three levels: federal, state, and local. The following sections points readers to the available guidance on this. State and national level The website of the New York State Historic Preservation Office (https://parks.ny.gov/shop/) provides extensive guidance on preservation programs, including listing on the State and National Historic Registers and information about tax credits and grants. The opening paragraphs of the home page of this website state the following: Page 49 of 52 Agenda Item #A. “What are the State and National Registers? The State and National Registers of Historic Places are the official lists of buildings, structures, districts, objects, and sites significant in the history, architecture, archeology, engineering, and culture of New York and the nation. The same eligibility criteria are used for both the State and National Registers. The National Historic Preservation Act of 1966 and the New York State Historic Preservation Act of 1980 established the National and State Registers programs. In New York, the Commissioner of the New York State Office of Parks, Recreation and Historic Preservation, who is also the State Historic Preservation Officer (SHPO), administers these programs. What are the results of listing? 1. Registered properties and properties determined eligible for the Registers receive a measure of protection from the effects of federal and/or state agency sponsored, licensed or assisted projects through a notice, review, and consultation process. 2. Owners of depreciable, certified historic properties may take a 20 percent federal income tax credit for the costs of substantial rehabilitation as provided for under the Tax Reform Act of 1986. 3. Municipal and not-for-profit owners of listed historic properties may apply for matching state historic preservation grants. There are no restrictions placed on private owners of registered properties. Private property owners may sell, alter or dispose of their property as they wish.” The website provides information on the application, evaluation, and nomination process; the assistance available to guide applicants through the process; and information on tax credits and grants to assist with preservation and maintenance of historic properties. The site also provides a list of contacts from whom and from which individuals can obtain more information on historic preservation and the historic designation process. In addition to the State website referenced above, the website of the Preservation League of New York State (https://www.preservenys.org) is a valuable resource for those seeking information on historic preservation. The site contains a trove of information on historic house preservation and restoration and many links to books, resources, and information on restoration, applications for designation, and tax credits. Local landmark and historic site designation Village requirements and guidelines for historical and architectural design districts and historic landmarks are presented in Section 270-25 of the Village Code (the “Code”, which is accessible from the home page of the Village’s website). Page 50 of 52 Agenda Item #A. The process for designation of an historic landmark or district in the Village is detailed in section 270.25c of the Code. This section describes the application procedure, what happens after an application is made (including review by the Historic Preservation Commission and the Board of Trustees). Included here is a list of some of the characteristics of a building, structure, parcel of land or area that would make a building or area worthy of landmark or historic district designation. Individuals seeking further information on the village’s architectural design recommendation and best practices should also consult the Village of Ossining Architectural Design Guidelines which presents a wealth of information on Ossining’s architecture and guidance on the development and preservation of structures in the Village. The Guidelines can be accessed in the left-hand column of the Historic Preservation Commission’s page on the Village website. Page 51 of 52 Agenda Item #B. Originally established in 1921 by William and Bessie Globerman, the Depot Square Hotel served railway commuters and travelers visiting Ossining. In 1956, it was purchased by Samuel and Mildred Buchanan, who operated it as a hotel and restaurant for nearly 20 years. The Depo Square Hotel became a key landmark in Ossining’s Black community, offering safe lodging during segregation and appearing in The Negro Motorist Green-Book from 1959 to 1963. Located near the railroad and Sing Sing Prison, it also served as a base for journalists covering major events in the village, including the 1934 bus tragedy. The Buchanans later expanded their impact by acquiring and managing multiple apartment buildings rented to Black families in Ossining. Page 52 of 52