Planning Commission
Regular MeetingPetersburg, VA · March 2, 2023
Minutes
City of Petersburg
Planning Commission Meeting
March 2, 2023
Minutes
The City of Petersburg Planning Commission meeting held on Thursday, March 2, 2023, was
called to order by the Chair, Mrs. Tammy Alexander, at 6:30 p.m. A roll call was completed by
Ms. Michelle Murrills.
Members Present: Ms. Tammy Alexander, Chair
Mr. Fenton Bland, Vice Chair
Mrs. Chioma Adaku
Ms. Candy Taylor
Ms. Marie Vargo
Dr. James Norman
Mr. Michael Edwards
Dr. William Irving
Members Absent: Mr. Thomas Hairston
A Quorum was established by the Chair.
Others Present: Mr. Reginald Tabor, Ms. Michelle Murrills, Ms. Sandra Robinson, Mr. Joel Erb,
Mrs. Kirstin Katzenbach, Mr. James Beck, and Mr. Michael Squires.
Adoption of the Agenda:
Chair Alexander called for any changes. Since there were none, Commissioner Edwards moved
for the approval of the agenda; Commissioner Vargo seconded the motion. The motion passed
unanimously.
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Minutes:
Chair Alexander asked if there were any changes to be made to the minutes from February 2,
2023. As there was none, it was moved by Commissioner Adaku and was seconded by Vice
Chair Bland. The motion was passed unanimously.
Public Information Period:
Chair Alexander opened the Public Information Period to anyone who wished to speak on an
item, not on the agenda. No one chose to speak, and so the Chair closed the public information
period.
6. Public Hearings:
Chair Alexander read the notice of a public hearing as follows:
6a. a. 2023-ZTA-04: A Public Hearing and consideration of a resolution recommending an
amendment to the City of Petersburg Code of Ordinances, Appendix B. Zoning, to add
definitions of Group Home and Assisted Living facilities.
Mr. Tabor gave the presentation.
A RESOLUTION RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF A CITY CODE APPENDIX B. ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT –
AMENDING ARTICLE 3. – DEFINITIONS, SECTION 2. – DEFINITIONS TO ADD DEFINITIONS FOR ASSISTED
LIVING FACILITY, SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE AND GROUP HOMES.
The City of Petersburg Code of Ordinances Appendix B. Zoning includes Article 3. – Definitions, Section 2.
– Definitions; and the purpose of this section is to define certain terms and words in the City Code
Appendix B. Zoning.
Assisted Living Facilities in Single-Family Residences and Group Homes have been established as land
uses in the City of Petersburg; however, currently, there are no definitions for these uses or related
regulations.
This is a proposal to amend the Code Appendix B. Zoning in accordance with the attached Exhibit A.
The definitions would be as follows:
Group Home as defined within the Code of Virginia, §15.2-2291,
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1. A residential facility in which the Department of Behavioral Health and Developmental Services
of the Commonwealth is the licensing authority; and, in which no more than eight mentally ill,
mentally retarted or developmentally disabled persons reside, with one or more resident or
nonresident staff persons
2. A residential facility in which aged, infirmed or disabled persons reside for which the
Department of Social Services is the licensing authority in which no more than eight aged, infirm
or disabled persons reside, with one or more resident counselors or other staff persons. A group
home shall be treated as residential occupancy by a single family. Mental illness and
developmental disabilities should not include current illegal use of or addiction to a controlled
substance as defined within the code of Virginia, §54.1-3401
Assisted Living Facility: A residential facility, other than a Group Home, where more than eight
residents who are not related by blood or marriage receive assistance with activities of daily
living or therapeutic care, regardless of whether licensed by a governmental agency or not.
Except where expressly permitted by right in this Zoning Ordinance, Assisted Living Facilities
shall only be permitted upon issuance of a special use permit by City Council.
Chair Alexander then reiterated that presently the city of Petersburg does not have any definition
of either facility.
Chair Alexander then open the public hearing and asked if anyone wanted to speak in approval
of this definition to please step forward.
First was Mr. Joel Erb, 414 Harrison Street. As all of us have seen, there is an increase in not
only the attention but also the value of the properties in Petersburg. You can go on Zillow and
can see that they are lasting on the market for fewer days than they ever had. Some of these are
owner-occupied, but there are a lot of out-of-town investors. We have a lot of large historic
homes within the city and again, with absent landlords, and we’re finding that in many instances
that there are abuses to a lot of the codes that are here in Petersburg. In some instances, they are
turning into group homes. Within commercial properties that are zoned P3, they are abusing that
code. A lot of the residents that are living in these homes that fall into this discussion, they need
care and they are not getting the care. The fact that there is a limit to the number of residents and
the number of caregivers is really important. Owning a group home or a residential care facility
means in many instances that you are getting checks you are getting their social security
checks—the owners. I think that if you live within the city, you may see instances of individuals
that live in them. They say that they live in those facilities, but they are not getting the care that
they need. The residents should have a voice and the city should have a voice in allowing these
facilities to come within a community. They need to be here. These people need the care, this is
not that they should not exist in the city. But it is making sure that we have the right operators
who have the experience with a proven track record. Because there are a number of them that
have operated in the city that have not had the experience, well they have but they have had a
bad track record and the residents are not getting the care that they ultimately need. I have had
three instances where residents of “care facilities” have been passed out on my back porch and I
have had to call the police for them to get the care that they need—to get them back to the
facility. The number of residents to caregivers ratio was nothing like what we are talking about
here. I think that this is really going to benefit the residents, but it is also a benefit to the
community as well.
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Chair Alexander thanked him and asked if anyone else wanted to speak. Next up was Kirsten
Katzenbach at 301 S. Jefferson. I too would like for this to be in front of City Council so that the
public could comment on it. I do live close to a facility. And November 6th we had a situation
where sirens were everywhere, it was probably one in the morning. There was a person who
became violent and took off back by Clinton Street right behind my house, over by the
Petersburg Home for Ladies. This person was dangerous. That is a quote from the police
scanner. And then simultaneously, while the police were dealing with him, the rest of the
residents set their trash receptacles on fire. So we had a fire in one location while the man was
running wild over by the Ladies' Home and my home. I have two daughters. And so that was
the situation and that is how I learned that a home had been transferred to that status. I do not
know if the status was even legal because I have not gotten confirmation on that. It was a
residence. The residents openly swear, fight, and threaten each other. They are right there by
the park where children are. We have approached by residents while walking our dog. We have
been asked for money. People swarm off the front porch, a crowded front porch. There was a
woman who entered the gate of our front yard. It is not an easy gate as we are up a hill. She
entered the gate of our front yard, pulled a chair, sat there, and looked at us. My husband said
what can I do for you? She was ticking and twitching and she said that she was not going to
leave until we purchased some of her unwrapped graham crackers. We picked up the phone and
showed her that we called the police and she took off running. There were two registered sex
offenders but no notification given to the neighboring people who had small children living
there. There is stop-and-go traffic that comes through there, and people will stop for about five
minutes each while no one from the car gets out. Yet residents come from the home greet the
driver and then everyone departs within 5 minutes. There is no noticeable supervision or
oversight available at that sight, and if there is, it certainly has not been effective. This petty
behavior and antisocial contact is disruptive and intimidating. Thank you
Chair Alexander asked if anyone else wanted to speak.
James Beck, 1977 Vesonder Road spoke next. I live in the Ramblewood Subdivision. Our
street, Vesonder, is one block long. There are only 15 houses on that street and four of them are
group homes…that we know of because no one has to know that there is a group home. I am not
sure if there is any way to know because in the past when we have enquired about this, we have
been told that these rules are set by the state. We have not had any major problems. We have
had some traffic on our street and obviously having group homes on our street does not increase
our property values, nor make it easy to sell your house. But that is normal. The one thing that
we do not see is a whole lot of monitoring. I do not think that that is your people’s job or the
city’s but someone needs to supervise and monitor these group homes and make sure that they
are following the proper rules and that the persons who are there are treated properly and receive
care and dignity. I am not sure if I am in favor of this type of thing, but a definition is certainly
something that is needed and it would be nice to know ahead of time what we can expect if
someone does. But it does not matter as you do not have special zoning for a group home
anyway. So there isn’t any way that I would ever know that another group home is going to be
added to our street. I recognize that there isn’t anything you can do about these things. With the
way that these people are being taken care of now, you obviously need these kinds of facilities,
and the best that we can do is to not concentrate them too much, at least on my street, but also
see that they are monitored so that the people are well taken care of.
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Chair Alexander then asked if there was anyone else who would like to speak. When there was
no one else, she closed the public hearing. She then asked if any of the commissioners had any
questions for Director Tabor.
Commissioner Adaku then asked for clarification about the State vs. City definition of group
homes and how that would work.
Director Tabor said that this is a proposal to add definitions to group homes and assisted living
facilities within the definition of group homes, which is taken from the state definition and then
it adds the definition of assisted living homes. For that specific use, a special use permit would
also be required. And would then come before the Planning Commission and then City Council.
Commissioner Taylor then made the comment that since group homes are a business they really
should have to have a special use permit so that people can keep track of where they are—they
are a business and should have to operate like all other businesses. Mr. Tabor clarified that the
State is in charge of the group homes in the state and the State does not allow for local oversite.
Ms. Robinson clarified that anyone wanting to open a group home (and they get lots of
applications all the time) you have to complete a business action form through the Commissioner
of Revenue’s office, make sure all the taxes are current on the building, and then all state
regulations are followed to set up the group home. These properties are supposed to be inspected
every year, but as everyone has stated, many of the residents are not properly cared for and we
will see them walking downtown or where ever because the owner of the property has said go
away and do not come back until dusk. And as people have also stated that these people are
getting financial benefits as a result of being at the group home. And in many instances, clients
have told me…I only get $40 a week or something like that. Unfortunately, the city and other
localities are being inundated by people who are wanting to get into it for that money and then go
out of business because they were not in it to help people but only for the money. Ms. Robinson
said that she has never met with someone who has actually gone out and done an inspection from
the state. She said that something needed to be done about that and that this is the first step to
hopefully allow the city to monitor them better.
Commissioner Vargo questioned the part that said: “except where permitted by right”. When
would an assisted living facility be permitted by right? Mr. Tabor said that the language was put
into the record just because it “could” be somewhere but as of right now, there are no assisted
living facilities that would be permitted by right. Currently, they are only allowed by special use
permit. Group homes, however, can happen anywhere in the city as long as it is in a residential
structure.
Commissioner Edwards then said that there was some ambiguity about whether medical/drug
abuse facilities would or would not be able to be considered a group home. Ms. Robinson then
said that in updating our ordinances on this, the city needs to consider tightening the control over
group homes, assisted living homes, sobriety houses, etc. Another question he had was: is there
anything that anyone can do to limit the number of group homes that are in a neighborhood? Ms.
Robinson said to her knowledge no since they are considered residential. Another question he
had was: since property records are public records, and anyone can pull up any property owner
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online, can the city have a public list made available of group homes, and who owns them, once
we determine how many are legal and how many are illegal? Ms. Robinson said that that would
be hard because a certificate of occupancy does not have to have whether it is a group home or
not. Without that information, it is simply whether a person knows it or not. Commissioner
Edwards said he asked because one speaker spoke about the things that had happened in and
around her home, and yet no one ever told her that the house was a group home. If there was a
list at least there would be a place for someone to go, look and see who is living in their
neighborhood, especially with sex offenders. Commissioner Edwards also asked, with this
change would those group homes already in existence be grandfathered in. Ms. Robinson said
that yes they would be unless there is something wrong with them. Unless they are closed for
more than two years then they would have to start the whole process over again.
Commissioner Edwards clarified that group homes can have no more than eight people living in
them and assisted living homes have to have someone manning them 24 hours a day. Then he
put forth a motion that struck the portion about allowing by right from the assistant living
facilities so that everyone had to play by the same rules. This means that every assistant living
home would have to apply for a special use permit from City Council no matter what.
Commissioner Irvin seconded the motion.
The role was called and the motion passed unanimously.
With that Commissioner Irvin and Chair Alexander thanked the people who came and spoke out
as there are not many people who come to speak at the Planning Commission meeting.
7. OLD BUSINESS
Comprehensive plan update: Mr. Tabor did the presentation. He went over the calendar of what
had happened so far for the comprehensive plan. The schedule for the Planning Commission
work sessions on the comprehensive plan with be the fourth Tuesday of every other month. The
first is March 28th and will cover the plan identity.
May 23rd will be Economic Development, housing and neighborhoods.
July 25th will be Parks, Recreation, Historic Preservation, Public Safety, Community Facilities
and Infrastructure
September 26th will be Environmental Stewardship, Mobility and Transportation.
November 28th will be Land Use. Hopefully, that will be a joint session with City Council.
By this time next year, hopefully, City Council will have adopted the updated comprehensive
plan.
The process will be that throughout we will discuss specific language and changes to the
comprehensive plan. The week before the meeting, the Commission will be provided with all
information that has been gathered so far up to that point.
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There are many different groups that will be contributing to the information that will be used to
make decisions about the comprehensive plan throughout the next year. As they are done, the
information will be given to the commissioners.
Chair Alexander mentioned that this comprehensive plan will be comprehensive. There will be
parts of the city that are covered that no one even knew existed. Commissioner Edwards
seconded that…and he was raised here!
Commissioner Ewards said that he was very interested in helping the city have an entertainment
district and that he was looking forward to that.
8. NEW BUSINESS
None
9. ANNOUNCEMENTS
None
10. Adjourment
Commissioner Irving was at the meeting he was asked to move for adjournment. Meeting
ended at 7:27.
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Agenda
Public Notice
City of Petersburg
Planning Commission
Petersburg Public Library
201 W Washington Street
Petersburg, VA 23803
Thursday, March 2, 2023
6:30 p.m.
If you would like to make a comment during the public comment period, please mail your comments in
writing to the Department of Planning and Community Development, 135 N Union Street, Petersburg,
VA 23803 or email them to pcd@petersburg-va.org.
Should you have questions or concerns, please contact the Department of Planning and Community
Development at (804) 733-2308, or via email at pcd@petersburg-va.org.
City of Petersburg
Planning Commission Meeting Agenda
Thursday, March 2, 2023
6:30 p.m.
1. Call to Order
2. Roll Call
3. Adoption of the Agenda
4. Adoption of the Minutes
a. February 2, 2022, Planning Commission Meeting
5. Public Information Period (3-minute maximum comment period for each speaker)
6. Public Hearings
a. 2023-ZTA-04: A Public Hearing and consideration of a resolution recommending an
amendment to the City of Petersburg Code of Ordinances, Appendix B. Zoning, to add
definitions of Group Home and Assisted Living Facility.
7. Old Business
a. Comprehensive Plan Update
i Current Status
8. New Business
9. Announcements
10. Adjournment
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