Planning & Zoning Commission
Regular MeetingPinetop-Lakeside, AZ · July 12, 2018
Minutes
MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING
OF THE TOWN OF PINETOP-LAKESIDE PLANNING AND ZONING
COMMISSION, HELD ON THURSDAY, JULY 12, 2018 LOCATED AT
TIMBER MESA FIRE AND MEDICAL DISTRICT, STATION #13
2922 W. WHITE MOUNTAIN BOULEVARD, LAKESIDE, AZ 85929
A. Call to Order
Chairman Staley called the meeting to order at 6:00 p.m.
Roll Call:
The following Members were present:
Adam Staley Chairman
Richard Smith Vice Chairman
Mazie Hastings Commission Member
John Salskov Commission Member
Tim Williams Commission Member (participated telephonically)
The following Member was absent:
Larry Agan Commission Member
Also Present:
Cody Blake Community Development Director
Keith Johnson Town Manager
Jill Akins Deputy Town Clerk
B. Call to the Public
Chairman Staley called for public comments. No comments were offered to the
Commission.
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C. Minutes
C.1 Minutes of the Regular Meeting of the Planning and Zoning Commission
held on June 14, 2018.
Commissioner Hastings moved to approve the minutes of the regular meeting of
the Planning and Zoning Commission held on June 14, 2018, with the correction to
page 2, D. Staff Reports, fourth paragraph placing the word “former” in front of
“Cousins Subs property”. Vice Chairman Smith seconded the motion and it
carried unanimously.
D. Staff Reports
Community Development Director Blake reported that his department is up five
new building permits compared to last year at this time, which is significant, and
said he has nineteen total. He said he did not have any new commercial building
permits last year and has one so far for this year and said he has done eleven tenant
improvement permits for commercial projects this year.
Community Development Director Blake announced he has nothing significant
coming up for the Commission at this time.
E. Old Business
No old business to report at this time.
F. New Business
F.1 Discussion and Legal Action regarding the re-appointment of
Tim Williams to continue to serve on the Planning and Zoning Commission
with a term ending July 24, 2020.
Commissioner Salskov moved to recommend to the Town Council to re-appoint
Tim Williams to the Planning and Zoning Commission with a term ending July 24,
2020. Commissioner Hastings seconded the motion and it carried 4-0 with
Commissioner Williams abstaining.
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F.2 Discussion and Legal Action regarding the re-appointment of
Mazie Hastings to continue to serve on the Planning and Zoning Commission
with a term ending July 24, 2020.
Commissioner Williams moved to recommend to the Town Council to re-appoint
Mazie Hastings to the Planning and Zoning Commission with a term ending July
24, 2020. Commissioner Salskov seconded the motion and it carried 4-0 with
Commissioner Hastings abstaining.
F.3 Public Hearing, Discussion and Legal Action regarding the
Conditional Use Permit to allow up to six (6) horses to be located at 531 E.
Woodland Lake Road, Lakeside, AZ 85929, the NE ¼ of Section 1, Township
8 North, Range 22 East, Navajo County, Arizona. APN 311-48-025A
Community Development Director Blake said Maureen Serrano would like to
place six (6) horses on her property located at 531 E. Woodland Lake Road in
Lakeside. He stated the property is a little over six (6) acres of land and the
property is zoned R1-4 with a residence on the property. The residence is located
on one end of the six (6) acre property and the rest of the property is a meadow.
Community Development Director Blake said Ms. Serrano is not planning on
building any structures on the property and said the horses would be free to roam
the six (6) acres of the meadow. He said he mailed out nineteen (19) letters to the
adjacent property owners within three hundred (300) feet and explained he had one
person contact him that was opposed and three people contact him for information
but did not say if they were opposed or in support of the conditional use permit.
In response to Chairman Staley, Community Development Director Blake said that
the person opposed is concerned about flies and the smell.
Community Development Director Blake reported the entire property is fenced and
Ms. Serrano will be installing new fencing. He said the horses would only be on
the property during the summer months.
Maureen Serrano explained the horses would only be on the property during the
summer beginning in the middle of May. She said currently the horses our kept on
her property on Woodland Road next to Mountain Meadow and in the winter her
horses are in Wickenburg, Arizona. She said she plans to re-fence the property and
will be installing top rail no climb fence so that it is a safe fence for the horses and
said she also plans on installing some elk and deer jumps so that they have a safe
place to get into the meadow. Ms. Serrano explained that she has kept her horses
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in Pinetop-Lakeside during the summer since 1989 and said she has never had a
problem or complaints regarding flies or smell from the horses. She said she wants
to re-establish the use of horses on the 531 E. Woodland Lake Road property. She
explained she purchased the property last summer. She said she does not keep her
horses in corrals so they will be free to roam the entire six (6) acres of pasture.
In response to Chairman Staley, Ms. Serrano stated the use of the current home on
the property is a rental and the tenants do not object to the horses being on the
property next to them.
In response to Commissioner Salskov, Community Development Director Blake
said there are not horses on other properties in the immediate area.
Community Development Director Blake stated staff recommends the approval of
the Conditional Use Permit as long as the owner complies with the requirements of
Chapter 17.104.150 Equine regulations.
In response to Commissioner Hastings, Ms. Serrano said she has had horses since
she was twelve (12) years old and she has had horses summering in Pinetop-
Lakeside for twenty-eight (28) years.
Chairman Staley called for Public Hearing to allow comments on this matter.
Jim Velikanje said he lives at 773 Woodland Lake Road, Pinetop, and said he is in
support of having the horses on the property. He said he and his wife have owned
their home on Woodland Lake Road for over twenty (20) years and said the back
of their property looks out over the meadow. He said other than the last couple of
years there has always been horses on the property. He said he and his wife have
no objections to having horses on the property and they are in support of the
Conditional Use Permit. He said they have never had a problem with flies or
smells from the horses.
Charles Kane said he lives at 1289 Walnut Creek Trail, and said he lived adjacent
to her past property where she had six (6) horses located. He said his fence backed
up to her horse property, he lived at the property for eight (8) years and said he
would feed her horses on a daily basis and said it was a joy to have the horses on
the property. He stated there was never a problem with flies, no problems with
smell and said Ms. Serrano is a very good keeper of her horses.
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Robert Stewart, 625 E. Woodland Lake Road, said he is opposed and so is one of
his neighbors. He said he is north west of the home that is located on the property.
He said he does not have anything against horses, but said he does against flies and
smell, and he said for the reason he is adamantly opposed.
Gary Brewer, 1180 S. Woodland Road, said he lives across the street from where
the horses are currently located. He said he has lived there for ten (10) years, his
daughter grew-up feeding the horses and said he has never had a problem with
smell or flies and said it is a pleasure to have the horses. He said along with her
property, there are two other properties next to and behind him that have horses
and he said he still does not have a problem with flies at his home. He said he
thinks the Commission should approve the zoning for the horses.
There being no further comments, Chairman Staley declared the Public Hearing
closed.
Chairman Staley explained this is a Conditional Use Permit and said that horses are
allowed in the community under this zoning with a Conditional Use Permit. He
said one of the issues in the community is that the Town does not have the staff to
constantly monitor behaviors of citizens and the Town often operates on a
complaint driven basis. He said if complaint calls are made to the Town the
situation is investigated and acted on.
Commissioner Salskov moved to approve the Conditional Use Permit to allow up
to six (6) horses to be located at 531 E. Woodland Lake Road, Lakeside, AZ
85929, the NE ¼ of Section 1, Township 8 North, Range 22 East, Navajo County,
Arizona, APN 311-48-025A. Commissioner Hastings seconded the motion and it
carried unanimously.
F.4 Public Hearing, Discussion and Legal Action regarding a Variance
from Chapter 17.28, Section 17.28.040(C): Rear Yard setback requirements.
Property is located at 1250 Barbara Lane, Lakeside, AZ 85929 in the NW ¼ of
Section 30, Township 9 North, Range 23 East, Navajo County, Arizona. APN
212-40-142.
Community Development Director Blake stated the property owners, Randy and
Susan Moffitt, would like to encroach into their rear yard set-back and explained
that the rear of their property backs to Forest Service property. He said the owners
would like to tear down the existing garage and extend the house by adding on to
the house and adding a new garage. He explained the architectural drawings show
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the new construction would encroach to 13.5 feet from their rear property line. He
explained the current garage that will be torn down is a little over 17 feet from
their rear property line and said this is grandfathered in since it was built prior to
the incorporation of the Town. He explained once this is torn down they would
lose the grandfathered status. He stated this would be a variance to allow the
owners to build within the 13.5 feet of the property line. Community Development
Director Blake explained that he has gone over the state law and codes with the
applicant and their architect. He explained the Commission is being asked to make
a recommendation to approve or deny the variance to the Board of Adjustment and
said ultimately the Board of Adjustment will make the final approval on the
variance.
In response to Chairman Staley, Community Development Director Blake said the
property owners had a survey done of the property line and the surveyor found a
stake that was further out that raised some questions as to the actual location of
their property line and if the property is owned by the Forest Service or the
property owner. He stated the issue is not resolved and at this time the current
property line is being used. He said possibly in the future that is a property line the
owners would have to fight for and every property along the Forest Service would
be off by 11 feet and the owners would gain eleven feet of property. He said the
current property line was recorded in the 1970’s.
Chairman Staley stated if that was accurate and the owners did acquire that
property from the Forest Service then they would be within the required set-back
and asked if there was any potential resolution to this with the Forest Service.
Community Development Director Blake explained if the owners could get the
Forest Service land they would not need the variance, but working with the Forest
Service nothing happens quickly and this could take years to resolve.
Chairman Staley asked when this property was originally built was the premise
that the property owner had an extra eleven feet?
Community Development Director Blake answered no.
In response to Commissioner Hastings, Community Development Director Blake
stated eighteen letters were mailed to surrounding homeowners and he received
only one phone call from a resident on the east side corner of the Moffitt’s that are
in the process of selling their property and their buyer wanted to know about the
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variance and once he explained the variance to them it was not an issue and he did
not hear anything further from them.
Chairman Staley called for Public Hearing to allow comments on this matter.
Mr. Randy Moffitt explained they have reached out and contacted the Forest
Service and the Forest Service stated in writing they have no say in the matter to
the unclaimed eleven feet of property. He stated he has spoken to every neighbor
in his neighborhood and not one of his neighbors had a problem with the variance.
In response to Chairman Staley, Mr. Moffitt said the eleven feet of property in
question has not been used.
Mr. Jerry Nansen said he was hired by the Moffitt’s to do the architectural design
for their addition and said once they got into staking the property they noticed the
problem with the eleven feet. He said they want to keep the architectural integrity
of the low, ranch style existing construction of the home for structural and esthetic
reasons and to keep the ranch style look without having to change to obtuse angles
and change the look of the home. He explained that is why they are requesting the
variance.
In response to Chairman Staley, Mr. Nansen said the proposed new garage is
twenty-six feet by twenty-four feet.
In response to Vice Chairman Smith, Mr. Nansen stated the additional
encroachment is about four feet more to the north in addition to the grandfathered
in portion.
Commissioner Salskov stated he does not think the Commission can approve the
variance based on state law and the analysis that was provided to the board;
specifically under G. 2. “by not granting the variance it will deprive the property of
privileges enjoyed by other property of the same classification in the same zoning
district”. He said there is no depravation and all of the property owners in the area
have the same land use and the same set-backs in the area and said the Moffitt’s
are not deprived of anything. He further stated most importantly under H. 2. “A
Board of Adjustment may not grant a variance if the special circumstances
applicable to the property are self-imposed by the property owner”. He stated this
is clearly self-imposed by the property owner and said they are building into the
set-back. He said it is not a variance the Commission can approve even if they
wanted too.
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Chairman Staley reiterated a variance may not be granted if it is self-imposed by
the property owner. He asked why the property could not be redesigned differently
since there is a lot more room on the property and why the design cannot be
changed so that it does not encroach any further than it already does.
Mr. Nansen said he understands the Commissions concerns but said the owners
want to utilize the existing residence and add on to it. He said the angle of the
existing structure is 13 degrees and any addition that is done now to comply within
the twenty feet set-back is going to include obtuse and weird angles. He stated this
home was not built by the Moffitts and said it was an existing residence prior to
any zoning and was grandfathered in. He said the Moffitts are trying to add an
addition that looks correct with the existing structure.
Chairman Staley said he understands but said the big question for the Commission
would be, is it possible for the owners to build an addition that fits within the
building envelope and he said he thinks the answer would have to be yes.
Mr. Nansen said it would not look right.
Chairman Staley said it might not look right, but he is being devil’s advocate.
Commissioner Williams said he agrees with Commissioner Salskov’s statement.
Chairman Staley asked if there was a reasonable plan that could be drafted that
could keep the addition out of the set-back that would not incur exurbanite
additional expense or aesthetic problems.
Mr. Nansen said with the angle of the existing structure he did not think so and
said it would be extremely odd looking and the construction in the obtuse angles is
expensive and not trade norm.
Chairman Staley asked where the garage would be taken down and at about that
point the house would have to pivot 13 degrees to parallel the back of the property
and meet the set-back requirements. He asked if that would be an architecturally
challenging issue.
Mr. Nansen said that is correct and said the utilization of the existing building
would be difficult and the existing home would then have to be torn down.
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Commissioner Salskov said this still falls under the same issue and said the
Commission is being asked for seven feet out of the set-back and said if other
homes were brought in for a building permit it would not be approved because that
is a significant variation from what is allowed in the set-back.
Commissioner Williams asked when the property was purchased.
Mr. Moffitt said they purchased the property in March 2018 and the property
survey was done in May 2018.
In response to Commissioner Salskov, Mr. Nansen said architectural drawings
have not been drawn yet and said only a floor plan of the proposed addition was
submitted to Director Blake.
Commissioner Williams asked if letters from the neighbors in support of the
variance had been received.
Mr. Moffitt said he has contacted all of his contiguous neighbors and that they are
all in support of the variance, but said he does not have anything in writing.
Chairman Staley said he does not know how the Commission can send this forward
with a recommendation for approval of the variance to the Board of Adjustment
with what they have to work with if the special circumstances to the property are
self-imposed by the property owner.
Commissioner Salskov said he is fine with the seventeen foot set-back because it is
not self-imposed because the owners bought the house as it sits but the fact that
they are building into where it was not built before, that is the definition of self-
imposed, doing it yourself, building into it. He said to keep in mind that the
Commission can recommend to not approve the variance, but said the Board of
Adjustment can still approve the variance. He said he does not think the
Commission can recommend the variance under the rules and said the owners have
not started construction at this point and the addition could be done a different
way.
Chairman Staley asked Community Development Director Blake if the
Commission were to remain ambivalent to the Board of Adjustment and defer any
kind of recommendation is that a reasonable outcome. He said he is not suggesting
that for the Commission, but said he is just thinking out loud.
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Community Development Director Blake said in the ten years that he has been
with the Town of Pinetop-Lakeside, there has only been a couple of variances and
deferring a decision has not been done. He stated the Commission has always
made some form of decision and said he is not sure what the legal implications
would be.
Chairman Staley said for him to be able to make a favorable opinion he would
have to associate that undeeded land as potentially under the applicant’s
constructive control, but said it is hard to make that stretch. He said that is the only
way he is wrestling with it; otherwise it would be a different opinion.
Mr. Moffitt said he knows there are legal guidelines, but said they are asking for a
six and a half foot variance so they can get the house of their dreams.
Commissioner Smith said he does not believe it is self-imposed by the property
owner because the house existed in the set-back already and that was not self-
imposed.
Commissioner Salskov said he is fine with that up to where it is at now, but said
now they want to build into the set-back, so everything they build further from the
existing set-back they are self-imposing every foot cut into the set-back that has
never been cut into before. He said he would be okay if the house turned at 17.05
feet and had 17.05 feet all the way across the back that would not be self-imposed
because that has already been taken and grandfathered in; but said they want it to
go even further than it goes now. He said that is the definition of self-imposed
because they are building into it.
In response to Commissioner Smith, Community Development Director Blake said
he cannot issue a building permit for that structure as designed without the
variance.
In response to Commission Hastings, Mr. Nansen said the cost to swing the house
by several degrees would be expensive and said the main thing is how the house
would look and function.
Chairman Staley asked how many square feet would be lost if the addition that
encroaches into the set-back was cut off straight across and parallel to the property
line; meaning the self-imposed portion of the addition that would be encroaching
into the set-back.
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Commission Salskov clarified by explaining keeping the addition within the 17.05
foot set-back that the existing structure has.
Mr. Nansen said it would be approximately fifty-five to sixty square feet lost.
Chairman Staley said that is a much more palatable decision for now and that
would only be in angled wall at the back of the house and nobody would see it
from the street.
Mr. Nansen said the problem would be with the roof design and the look of the
addition.
Chairman Staley stated he has built around forty new homes and he understands
this, but said he cannot see that it would be inhibitive.
Commission Salskov said he would be okay with that because it is still within the
17.05 feet of when the owners bought the property they thought they had up to the
17.05 feet because that is where the house stands. He said even though they would
be building into the encroachment to the left, the owners already expected to be
able to build at least to that point, and he said he is fine with that across the back of
the property but it is the additional footage that he is not okay with.
There being no further comments, Chairman Staley declared the Public Hearing
closed.
Commission Salskov moved to recommend a Variance Approval from Chapter
17.28, Section 17.28.040(C) rear yard setback on property located at 1250 Barbara
Lane, Lakeside, AZ 85929 in the NW ¼ of Section 30, Township 9 North, Range
23 East, Navajo County, Arizona, to the Board of Adjustment for the new
construction to have a set-back of 17.05 feet with no further encroachment,
maintaining the existing 17.05 foot set-back. Chairman Staley seconded the motion
and it carried unanimously.
Community Development Director Blake said this recommendation would be
presented to the Board of Adjustment at the meeting to be held on Thursday, July
19, 2018, after the regular Town Council Meeting.
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G. Discussion Regarding Any Future Agenda Items.
Community Development Director Blake announced there will not be a Planning
and Zoning Meeting on July 26, 2018 since he will be on vacation. He announced
that the next regular Planning and Zoning Meeting would be held on Thursday,
August 9, 2018. Director Blake stated the Commission would continue with the
Chapter 17 review at the August 9th meeting.
Town Manager Johnson thanked the Commissioners on the solution they came up
with regarding the variance. He said the easy answer would have been to just say
“no” but he said quite often a Commission would want to find a way to say “yes”;
but knowing there are perimeters for state statute to stay within, this was an
excellent suggestion by the Commission.
H. Adjournment:
There being no further business at this time, the meeting was adjourned at
approximately 7:15 p.m.
Chairman Adam Staley
Agenda
PUBLIC NOTICE
TOWN OF PINETOP-LAKESIDE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION
REGULAR MEETING & PUBLIC HEARING
THURSDAY, JULY 12, 2018 – 6:00 P.M.
TIMBER MESA FIRE AND MEDICAL DISTRICT, STATION #13
2922 W. WHITE MOUNTAIN BOULEVARD, LAKESIDE, AZ 85929
AGENDA
A. Call to Order: Chairman
Roll Call and Ascertain Quorum
Pledge of Allegiance
B. Call to the Public: Chairman
This is a business meeting of the Planning and Zoning Commission. The Town values and
welcomes public input. Please address the Commission as a whole and not individual
Commission Members. Do not address staff or members of the audience. Commission
action on items brought up in Call to the Public is limited by the Open Meeting Law. The
Commission may direct staff to study the matter and reschedule for further consideration at
a later date. Items on the agenda will not be heard or discussed in Call to the Public.
Individuals are limited to three (3) minutes.
C. Minutes:
C.1 Minutes of the Regular Meeting of the Planning and Zoning Deputy Town Clerk
Commission held on June 14, 2018.
D. Staff Reports:
D.1 Report and Update from Community Development Community
Department. Development
Director
E. Old Business: None
F. New Business:
F.1 Discussion and Legal Action regarding the re-appointment of Chairman
Tim Williams to continue to serve on the Planning and
Zoning Commission with a term ending July 24, 2020.
F.2 Discussion and Legal Action regarding the re-appointment of Chairman
Mazie Hastings to continue to serve on the Planning and
Zoning Commission with a term ending July 24, 2020.
F.3 Discussion and Legal Action regarding Conditional Use Community
Permit to allow up to six (6) horses to be located at 531 E. Development
Woodland Lake Road, Lakeside, AZ 85929, the NE ¼ of Director
Section 1, Township 8 North, Range 22 East, Navajo County,
Arizona. APN 311-48-025A.
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F.4 Discussion and Legal Action regarding a Variance from Community
Chapter 17.28, Section 17.28.040(C): Rear Yard setback Development
requirements. Property is located at 1250 Barbara Lane, Director
Lakeside, AZ 85929 in the NW ¼ of Section 30, Township 9
North, Range 23 East, Navajo County, Arizona. APN 212-
40-142.
G. Future Agenda Items: Community
Development
Director
H. Adjournment: Chairman
Posted on July 6, 2018 at 5:00 p.m. at the following locations:
Town Municipal Building Pinetop-Lakeside Library Town Website
958 S. Woodland Road 1595 Johnson Drive https://pinetoplakeside.gov
Lakeside, AZ 85929 Lakeside, AZ 85929
Pinetop U.S. Post Office Lakeside U.S. Post Office
712 E. White Mountain Blvd. 1815 W. Jackson Lane
Pinetop, AZ 85935 Lakeside, AZ 85929
Remilie S. Miller, MMC
Town Clerk
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