(3) Zoning Board of Appeals
Regular MeetingRed Hook, NY · August 8, 2007
Agenda
Town of Red Hook
Zoning Board of Appeals Meeting Minutes
August 8, 2007
CALL TO ORDER
The meeting was called to order at 7:05 P.M. by Chairman Timothy Ross.
ROLL CALL
Members Present: Timothy Ross, Kenneth Anderson, Jim Hegstetter, Corinne Weber
Members Absent: John Douglas, Robert Latimer, Michael Mosher
Also Present: Bob Fennell, Building Inspector, Christine Chale, Town Attorney (for the
Curthoys Hearing)
PRELIMINARY BUSINESS
Minutes of July 11, 2007: Chairman Ross asked for any questions, additions, deletions or
comments on the Minutes. Corinne Weber noted that “Country Fresh” on Page 1 should
be changed to “Hudson Valley Fresh”. Chairman Ross made a motion to approve the
Minutes with this correction. The motion was seconded by Corinne Weber and all were
in favor.
Planning Board Minutes and Letters: Chairman Ross asked for questions or comments
on the Planning Board Minutes and letters. No comments were made.
Building Inspector/ZEO Permits and Memos: The Board reviewed the current Permits
and memos.
Comments from the Chairman: Chairman Ross stated that although there is a quorum,
two members of the Board were unable to attend the meeting. As only four members
were present, he stated that he planned to give every applicant the option of having the
Board vote tonight or table the case until next month.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
7:20 Continuation of Public Hearing for Appeal 07-07, Robert Burke and Elizabeth
Wilkins for the following area variances: to increase height of fence in front yard from
the maximum of four feet to six feet; to have finished side of fence not face abutting
property and to maintain plantings over the maximum of three feet in height within the
required triangle. The applicant’s lot is located at 46 Barrytown Road, Red Hook, in the
RD5 zoning district. Chairman Ross stated that the triangle is the purview of the County
and not that of the Board. He verified that the applicants intend to reverse the fence so
that the good side faces out. The remaining issue, he said, is height. He then opened the
Hearing for public comment.
Neighbor Talea Fincke stated that, in terms of viewing, neither the fence nor the forsythia
cause any damage from the road. Mr. Burke commented that the County has been taking
care of the plantings for twenty years. Henry Christopher, who stated that he lives at the
Seminary, said that he passes the corner regularly and he likes the fence. He feels that it
is a nice addition and does not detract from anything. He said that if he lived so close to
the corner, he would like the protection of the bushes. Chairman Ross again referred to
the fact that the plantings are the purview of the County and they have specific
regulations in this regard. Mr. Christopher added that the present fence is nicer than
having a chain fence. Ms. Fincke expressed her opinion that Ms. Wilkins maintains a
beautiful yard and said that she expects her to continue to put in other plants which would
complement the yard.
Chairman Ross then read into the record the letter from Mr. Lombino in which the writer
said he would not agree to the variance unless he saw a written proposal showing the
exact placement of the fence, the design and the materials. Chairman Ross asked if
anyone had any further comments. As there were no further comments from the public,
he asked for comments from the Board. Jim Hegstetter stated that his only issue was the
way the fence was facing. Corinne Weber had no comments, feeling that the issues were
addressed at the last meeting. Ken Anderson said that he liked what he was hearing from
the public.
Chairman Ross again confirmed with the applicants that the contractor is going to turn
the fence around. However he questioned the need for the fence to be six feet high all the
way to the road, saying that he did not see the benefit of having the last three or four
sections be that high. Ms. Wilkins stated that she would feel safer having the fence at this
height. Chairman Ross again brought up his concern regarding the height of the last three
sections of the fence. Mr. Burke responded that he wanted the height for reasons of
privacy. Chairman Ross conceded that the height of the fence would not affect vision
from the road. Corinne Weber felt that the six foot height across the entire fence would
establish uniformity of line. Peter Klose, attorney representing neighbor Kevin Makenzie,
submitted to the Board photographs of the fence from the yard.
Chairman Ross asked if anyone present had any comments related to the fence. Doris
Soroko, who said that she lives two houses to the north of the applicants, stated that Ms.
Wilkins has a beautiful garden. She stated that the applicants have helped make
Barrytown more of a community. Regarding the fence, she said that there is an aesthetic
there; it has enhanced the whole four corners area. She said that the garden is beautiful
and they shouldn’t have to take the fence down. Mr. Christopher stated that having the
fence go from six feet to four feet would be displeasing. Mr. Burke added that the
property is unique and does not meet zoning laws. Chairman Ross explained that it
predated the zoning laws.
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Neighbor Kathleen Toelke, who lives at 1097 River Road, said that she does not know
either Kevin Makenzie or Elizabeth Wilkins; however she attended because she heard
about the meeting. She said that Elizabeth’s property looks the best she has seen that
property look. There was a chain link fence there and the wooden fence enhances the
property. She said that the applicants’ lot is the gateway to the community and the
property looks great. She felt that if there is a privacy issue it would be good for the
applicants to have a little privacy, at least on one side of their property. Again, she
repeated that she does not know either party.
Ms. Soroko supported the idea of having the fence be a uniform height of six feet rather
than having different levels. She felt it would not affect Mr. Makenzie, as the front of his
house does not have a porch and is not used in that manner. Chairman Ross indicated that
his stance regarding reducing the height of the fence in the last three sections was a
question of aesthetics as people are driving down the road. Neighbor Joan Duffin stated
her opinion that the applicants are entitled to have their privacy. She said that she finds
the fence beautiful and thinks that Mr. Makenzie has no legitimate reason for being
opposed to it. Adam Fincke stated that he has been on Elizabeth’s property several times
and he has no problem with the fence. He said that it is not a major issue. It is sufficiently
covered by the trees so that it is not really an aesthetic problem.
Peter Klose, representing Mr. Makenzie, stated that in order to grant a variance, it is
necessary to show five specific things. The fence, he asserted, will change the nature and
character of the lot because it creates a stockade, prison-like atmosphere whereas the
neighborhood is one of open fields and rolling hills. Secondly, he stated that the fence
adversely impacts the environment. It is ugly and detracts from the neighborhood and
from Mr. Makenzie’s yard. Thirdly, Mr. Klose continued, there are feasible alternatives
to the applicants’ proposal. Fourthly, Mr. Klose found no rational basis for granting a
variance as a four foot fence would meet privacy needs. Lastly, Mr. Klose concluded, the
difficulty in this case is self created. The applicant erected the fence without a permit and
it is their fault that it violates zoning law.
Chairman Ross asked if there were any other comments. Doris Soroko raised a question
regarding the use of wood burning stoves, referring to a previous dispute between Mr.
Makenzie and the applicants. While the question was addressed by Mr. Fennell,
Chairman Ross stated that the previous dispute was not the issue at hand. Mr. Burke
stated that the present dispute is not about making sure the fence meets code, but is rather
a dispute between neighbors. Mr. Makenzie was recognized and spoke about the length of
his residence in the area and the history of his relationship with the applicants. Chairman
Ross stated that Board was not going to address past disputes as they do not have any
bearing on the issue at hand. Peter Klose stated that Mr. Makenzie wants something to be
done about having the applicants follow the rule of law. The problem is that it is a six
foot high stockade fence, he said. The law provides that there should be a reasonable
solution. That solution would be a four foot high fence.
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Chairman Ross asked if there were any other comments from the public. As there were
none, he asked for comments from the Board. Ken Anderson said that the Board is not
here to discuss personal matters and we must turn our attention to the matter at hand.
Firstly, the fence is facing the wrong way and secondly, it is six feet high. It has nothing
to do with how the neighbors get along. Corinne Weber stated that Stuart Levine had a
similar problem and that is something that has to be considered. She felt that it was not
infringing on the health or safety of the community. Jim Hegstetter said that he had read
everything and had heard what the people in the neighborhood had to say. He stated that
he would not weigh in any personal matters. Chairman Ross said that he still did not see
the benefit of having the last three sections of the fence at six feet. He reiterated that the
applicants had agreed to turn the fence around.
Prior to closing the hearing, Chairman Ross asked if there were any additional comments
or questions. Al Woisin expressed his opinion that the law should be followed. Paula
Schoonmaker stated that she knew that this has been a long running issue between Mr.
Makenzie and the applicants. She stressed that the issue of the applicants having privacy
in their yard is an important one. Jim Hegstetter asked if anyone else in the room besides
Mr. Makenzie objected to the height of the fence. Chairman Ross reminded Mr.
Hegstetter of the letter from Mr. Lombino.
The Public Hearing was closed at 8:07 P. M. Chairman Ross offered the applicants the
option of having the Board vote tonight or at the September meeting. He explained that if
the matter is tabled, the Board must take a vote in September due to time constraints. The
applicants opted for tabling the matter and the continuation of the Hearing was set for
7:15 P.M. on September 12, 2007.
8:10 Continuation of Public Hearing for Appeal 07-06, Kim and Joe Curthoys
application for the following area variances for an addition to their existing building:
increase maximum building coverage from 7% to 20 % and reduce minimum open space
from 80% to 69%. The applicant’s lot is located at 183 Country Club Road in the Town
of Red Hook zoning district. Chairman Ross asked if anyone in the audience was there to
speak relative to the Curthoys application. As there was no response, he read into the
record an anonymous letter suggesting that the Curthoys should combine their two lots or
build a larger home on the larger of the two lots rather than overbuild the small lot on
which they live.
Chairman Ross said that at the last meeting the Board had expressed concern with the
plan for the two car garage, as this was a very intense use of the small lot. Mr.Curthoys
submitted a new plan for a one car garage. At Chairman Ross’ request, he explained the
new plan to the Board. The main floor would have a kitchen, a great room and a bath, he
said, and the second floor would have two bedrooms and two baths with a loft
overlooking the great room. Bob Fennell stated that Kim Curthoys had come to him to
recalculate the footage, but somehow, in spite of the fact that he has cut down the size of
the building, the variance has gone up. The building coverage is now 22%.
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Chairman Ross commented that he likes the looks of the building, but it doesn’t look
much smaller than the last plan. Mr. Curthoys responded that the only difference is that it
is a one car rather than a two car garage. Chairman Ross said that it had only been
reduced by four feet. Mr. Curthoys asked if the Board would like the garage to be 16 by
28, rather than 20 by 28. Chairman Ross responded that the Board had asked Mr.
Curthoys to go with the minimum he could live with and that he hadn’t reduced it by
much. Mr. Curthoys said that he felt that the numbers were not as low as expected
because the 25 by 15 foot shed, which he intends to remove, had been included in the
calculations.
Mr. Curthoys asked how much of a variance would be needed to move ahead, using the
new calculations. According to those calculations 65% would be open space, 35%
covered and 22% building coverage. Bob Fennell responded saying that what is allowed
is 7% for building coverage and what they are asking for is 22%. And the minimum open
space requirement is 80% and they are only going to provide 65%.
The Board reviewed both the current and previous plans submitted by the applicants and
noted that the change was only four feet. Ken Anderson said that the Board was thinking
that narrowing a two car garage down to a one car garage would take off ten to twelve
feet. Mr. Curthoys said that this is due to the stairway going to the garage and offered to
narrow the garage to 14 feet rather than 20 feet. Chairman Ross responded that it would
still be a great deal of building on that small lot. Ken Anderson said that combining the
two lots had been discussed at the last meeting and asked Mr. Curthoys if he had given
that any thought. Then, Ken continued, you wouldn’t need any variances. As Mr.
Curthoys did not respond, the Board continued to study the plans.
Mr. Curthoys said that he thought that reducing it to a one car garage would be sufficient.
Chairman Ross responded that what you reduced it to was a car and three quarters; 24 to
20 isn’t that much of a reduction. Mr. Curthoys asked if the Board wanted the garage to
be 28 by 16. Ken Anderson said to make it as small as possible and keep the variance
request small. Chairman Ross said it’s nice to have the garage, but if you lose the studio
it would make a big difference.
Chairman Ross asked Jim Hegstetter if he had specific concerns with this. Jim said yes,
we voiced them the last time about the size. We talked about using the lot next to it. We
got some comments from neighbors who also have concerns about the lot being overbuilt
and overloaded. He asked if anyone present had any comments to make. Rich Dill
responded saying he has a lot half way around the lake from the Curthoys, not directly
next to them. He expressed his concern that the lot was being overbuilt. He also asked
whether the Curthoys were going to connect the existing main house and the studio.
Chairman Ross said that that was the original plan. Mr. Curthoys said that there was to be
a shed roof that you could walk under; they were not physically connected. Chairman
Ross said that the plan had the corners touching so that you could tie them all together.
Mr. Dill asked if the revised plan still does that. Chairman Ross said that it does not. Mr.
Dill then asked if there was going to be a second story over the garage. Chairman Ross
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responded in the affirmative, saying that that is the plan right now. Mr. Dill continued,
saying that the Board has already expressed their opinion that this is an awful lot to put
on that one little piece of property, asking for a large variance when there is an existing
piece of property that could be combined with it to spread things out.
Bob Fennell asked what the purpose was of keeping the studio building. Mr. Curthoys
indicated that it was convenient to have a separate building on the premises. Bob
suggested that maybe he should give that up if he wants everything else. Mr. Dill said
that the Country Club has bylaws permitting only one dwelling per property and there
had been concern in the past about the studio being another dwelling. Chairman Ross
stated that the Board does not enforce bylaws. Jim Hegstetter asked for further
comments. As there were none, Chairman Ross said that his comment was that some
progress has been made, but it is still too much on that little lot. The garage represents
4½%. If you didn’t loft it, he continued, you would have the ability to get your two
bedrooms without the garage. I would not be comfortable with that addition for the
garage, with the studio and porch there as well. Mr. Curthoys said that the only green
space we would lose would be the footprint of the garage. But you have the porch and the
deck, Chairman Ross responded. Mr. Curthoys said that it seems as though the major
concern is the garage. With the porch and the deck, that puts you at 18%, Chairman Ross
said.
Chairman Ross asked if there were any other comments from the public. Neighbor Derek
Moore asked if there were any architectural drawings for this. He asked if the plans
shouldn’t be laid out by an architect so that they are accurate. Chairman Ross responded
that the applicant has reasonable sketches and the Board never asks an applicant to put
together full blown architectural plans because if he doesn’t get his variance, that is an
unreasonable expense. Our real issue, he continued, is the size of it . Chairman Ross
asked if there were any other comments. As there were none, he closed the Public
Hearing at 8:35 P.M.
Chairman Ross then asked for comments from the Board. Jim Hegstetter said that he was
under the impression that the applicant was going to look at the possibility of combining
the lots and that was going to be the primary solution; but you have resketched the lot and
I still have concerns about overbuilding on that small lot, he said. Mr. Curthoys said that
he had not compared his proposal with the percentages on other homes on small lots and,
therefore, he did not know how far off he was but he had a feeling he was pretty close.
Chairman Ross said that he had looked at that and Mr. Curthoys’ lot was one of the
smaller lots. He thought more had been combined, but in the whole Park only three have
been combined to date.
Chairman Ross asked Corinne Weber if she had any comments. She said that 7% is
allowed and the applicant is looking for three times that. If you lose the garage, you are
still at 18%, she continued, and that is still excessive. I understand your wanting enough
room for your family, she continued, but I would think you would want to combine that
lot or sell the lot you are on and build on the other lot, which is bigger. Jim Hegstetter
said that there would then be no variance issues. Chairman Ross asked Ken Anderson if
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he had any additional comments. Ken said that he would like to see the applicant join the
two lots together. With the current plan, he said, it is crowding things too much and you
are asking for too much of a variance.
To put it in perspective for the Board, Chairman Ross said, the original house without the
studio (30 by 40) is over the allowed amount. 7% is only 887 square feet; however, with
that and the porch and the studio, it is considerably above that. My comment, he
continued, is that if you put a full two story on the footprint of the existing house, you
have 2400 square feet. That’s certainly a reasonable size and does not overtax this. If we
do away with the studio, can we put in a garage Mr. Curthoys asked. Yes, Chairman Ross
said, depending on the size of it. Ken Anderson said the Board would need to see some
numbers.
Since only four members of the Board were present, Chairman Ross offered Mr.
Curthoys the option of either tabling the vote until September or having the Board vote
tonight. Mr. Curthoys asked if, during the interim, he could bring back numbers about the
studio and the garage. Chairman Ross stated that the Board had been through that and
could not accept new information. Mr. Curthoys said he preferred to table the case.
Chairman Ross stated that next month the Board will have to vote because of time
constraints. The continuation of the Hearing was scheduled for 7:25 P.M. on September
12, 2007. He informed the applicant that he did not have to attend; there will be a brief
discussion and the members who were not here tonight will be instructed to make sure
that they are familiar with the Minutes and the layouts.
8:45 Public Hearing for Appeal 07-09, Linda Lindsay application for a use variance to
create an accessory apartment in an existing building through adaptive reuse of a non-
dwelling structure. The applicant’s lot is located at 123 Old Post Road North, Red Hook,
in the H zoning district. Chairman Ross said that at the conclusion of the last meeting
Bob Fennell had recommended that if the business were downsized, the variance could be
a change of a non-conforming use. Addressing the concerns of Jim Hegstetter about the
business, Chairman Ross said he was there today and a large part of the area you would
call the business has finished hardwood floors. It looks more like a finished dance hall
than a machine shop. It is not what you would think of as a garage. There is one room
that has a concrete floor, where there is a lathe and a few other machines.
Mr. Lindsay presented a picture and a layout to the Board. He said that they are looking
at using as an apartment what historically was a set of offices on the second floor. He
explained the layout he had presented to the Board. He said that for medical reasons, they
had downsized the scope of the business over the last twenty years.
Chairman Ross opened the Public Hearing at 8:50 P.M. Neighbor Dave Foti expressed
his concern with another apartment, the septic system and the general activity. Right now,
he said, it has been quiet. However he was concerned about how much activity there
would be in the area. The parking lot is very tight, he said; but fortunately the church has
been a good neighbor. Chairman Ross then read into the record a letter from the pastor of
the neighboring church which expressed concern regarding possible tenant use of the
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parking lot. He added that when he was going through the building, the Lindsay’s had
mentioned that that was an issue and that they had made arrangements with the church.
Chairman Ross asked if there were other comments from the public. Neighbor Alfred
Woisin asked what the Lindsays were proposing now. Chairman Ross said that there is a
two bedroom apartment which is on the second and third floor of the building; the first
floor, in its entirety, is presently being used by the applicants and the second floor has an
entrance from the first floor staircase to a one bedroom apartment. Mr. Woisin said that
the building used to be a 100 year old schoolhouse. They had been given a variance to put
an addition on that small lot which was half the size of the original structure. What else
does he want to put in there, he asked. He already has an apartment and a business in
there. Mr. Woisin also expressed concern about the deck, which he said is on his property
line.
Chairman Ross asked if there were any other comments from the public. As there were
none, he recognized Jim Hegstetter who asked if there was a building permit for the south
porch. Mr. Lindsay said he did not get a Building Permit, but he had replaced what was
there. Jim said that you still need a Building Permit to do that. He asked if an application
had been made and denied for that. Mr. Lindsay said no. In response to questioning Mrs.
Lindsay said that she is realtor, but although she does sometimes work from there, she
does not run a business from the building. She said she just has a rental there. It was
clarified that the only businesses operating from the building are the machine shop and
the sound design business of Mr. Lindsay. He emphasized that the shop itself and the
business structure have been downsized considerably.
Mr. Woisin then asked if there were two businesses and an apartment in there. Chairman
Ross responded saying that the first floor is a machine shop, component design and two
individual offices for the business. The offices and the machine shop are together. There
are no separating doors; it is one space.
Corinne Weber asked if the applicant is going for a use variance or an area variance.
Chairman Ross said that the applicant prefers to look at this as a change of non-
conforming use, a less intense use than previously. The Board again reviewed the plan.
Chairman Ross said that the Board had discussed considering this a change to another
non-conforming use which is less intense. However, he continued, Mr. Fennell rightfully
points out that for us to look at it this way, you need to go to the Planning Board for a site
plan review. Mr. Lindsay said that they had gone to the Planning Board and the Planning
Board wanted them to get the opinion of the Zoning Board of Appeals first. He said he
put applications in to both Boards simultaneously. Bob Fennell said he thought that their
application to the Planning Board was not for this. It must have been for a special permit
for an apartment or something of that nature. To clarify the issue, Chairman Ross then
read Chapter 143-125C of the Red Hook Zoning Code which states: “A non-conforming
use shall not be changed to another non-conforming use without prior approval by the
Board of Appeals and then only to a use which, as determined by the Board of Appeals,
is of the same or more restrictive nature. Such change shall also be preceded by a site
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plan review and approval by the Planning Board in accordance with Article VII of this
Chapter.” The structure is not going to change, he continued, so probably the primary
issue the Planning Board will have to address will be the parking.
Chairman Ross then said, we will continue the Public Hearing to our next meeting and,
depending on the Planning Board review, we may have to continue it once more. We will
republish stating that the application has been altered to a change of use. We will not redo
the mailings because everyone who is interested has shown up.
Dave Foti asked if the tractor trailers will be on the lot any longer. Mr. Lindsay
responded that they would not. Only his mobile home would be there. Jim Hegstetter
asked how many apartments there would be. Two, Mr. Lindsay responded. It would go
up an apartment from the original use. In response to Mr. Hegstetters questions,
Chairman Ross stated that the fabrication business is not like a heavy duty machine shop;
it is a pretty small machine shop. Alfred Woisin said after they get permission for this big
apartment, next time they can cut that in half and put a small business in there. If you
keep chopping it up, you’ll end up with a mini-mall. Chairman Ross said that the change
of use is because they had a business there with a tractor trailer there all the time, five full
time employees and delivery men. They want to reduce that to a much smaller business,
three or four employees, no tractor trailer and a one bedroom apartment. We have to look
at what it was used for during the period from February 1993 to now and determine if
what they are proposing is more or less intense.
Chairman Ross advised the applicants that they have to go back to the Planning Board,
seek site plan approval and say that we are looking at this as a change in non-conforming
use. Their approval has to precede any decision by this Board. The Hearing will remain
open until we hear from the Planning Board. We can only review more data in the
interim. The Public Hearing Notice will be republished as a change of non-conforming
use. Town Attorney Christine Chale said it should be republished as a modification of a
non-conforming use, not a change of non-conforming use. Chairman Ross said it was a
change to another non-conforming use. The continuation of the hearing was set for 7:40
P.M. on Sept. 12, 2007.
9:05 Public Hearing for Appeal 07-10, Donald and Karen Signor application to reduce
front yard setback of shed from the required minimum of 50 feet to two feet. The
applicant’s lot is located at 20 Edgewood Drive, Rhinebeck, in the R1.5 Zoning District.
Chairman Ross asked if anyone was present to speak relative to the Signor’s application.
As there was no response, he opened and closed the public hearing. Mr. Signor was
recognized and said that people don’t understand that the line is 13 feet from the edge of
the road. Chairman Ross said that the layout shows that nicely. When asked why he put
the shed where he did, Mr. Signor said that it is the best piece of land he has. It is flat and
no trees have to be cut down. If he were to put it in another location, he said, he would
have to cut down trees and get a bulldozer in and he stated that he didn’t want to cut
down any trees. It will blend in with the property. Once I get the building spotted, he
said, I’ll plant trees and shrubs and it will look nice.
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Chairman Ross said he had been by and saw how Mr. Signor had the rails set out and it
does not look like it is only two feet from the line; it is quite a way off the road.
Chairman Ross then asked each of the members of the Board if they had any comments.
No comments were made
Motion to Grant Variance
Chairman Ross moved to grant the variance requested because it is a
benefit to the applicant and no detriment to the neighborhood.
Several others in your neighborhood which are very similar have
been granted because the parcels are substandard and it is no
detriment to the health, welfare or safety of the neighborhood.
The motion was seconded by Corinne Weber and all were in favor.
9:10 Public Hearing for Appeal 07-11, Derek Moore application to reduce rear yard
setback of proposed deck from the required minimum of 35 feet to twelve feet. The
applicant’s lot is located at 181 Country Club Drive, Red Hook, in the RD3 Zoning
District. The Board reviewed the map with Mr. Moore. Chairman Ross said that the deck
will be no closer to the property line than the existing house. He verified with Mr. Fennell
that there were no coverage issues and then opened the Public Hearing for comments.
There were no comments from the public or from the Board and the public hearing was
closed.
Motion to Grant Variance
Jim Hegstetter made a motion to approve the variance. It is twelve
feet from the rear lot line. The motion was seconded by Tim Ross
who added that it is a benefit to the applicant, no detriment to the
neighbors and won’t change the character of the neighborhood or
health of the community. A vote was taken and all were in favor.
9:15 Public Hearing for Appeal 07-13, Jerry Simonetti of Sim-Kno Farms LLC
application to display a twenty by twenty foot sign on the side of barn reading “Hudson
Valley Fresh – Buy Local”. The law limits the size of the sign to twelve square feet with
only the name of the establishment and its principal service or purpose. The applicant’s
lot is located at 7782 Albany Post Road, Red Hook, in the RD3 Zoning District.
Chairman Ross stated that the Board cannot take action tonight. We will have to continue
the Public Hearing, he said; the Board does not have a quorum. Three members are
absent and Corinne Weber is required to recuse herself. Mr. Simonetti asked if he had to
be present again and Chairman Ross responded that he did not. Chairman Ross asked the
Board if they wanted Mr. Simonetti to provide any additional information. There were no
further requests for information. Mr. Simonetti stated that the sign is going to come down
in September of next year anyhow. Bob Fennell asked why it will be coming down and
Mr. Simonetti said that it is not a permanent sign and will deteriorate over time.
Chairman Ross said that his concern was that the variance runs with the property and if
Mr. Simonetti sells the property, the Board doesn’t want there to be a permanent 200
square foot sign on the barn. Therefore, he said, we will put as many stipulations on the
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variance as we can. Mr. Simonetti said that he had no problem with the Board granting
the variance on a temporary basis, for twelve months. Chairman Ross responded that he
did not think the Board could do that legally, but he would do more research on that. He
expressed his hope that there would be a quorum next month and the issue would be
resolved.
Chairman Ross then read into the record a letter from Elizabeth Close in support of the
sign. Susan Simon of Red Hook asked to read a letter on behalf of Susan Elias, also of
Red Hook, regarding the variance. Ms. Elias was opposed to the sign as she contends that
it destroys the beauty of the barn and sets a negative precedent in the community. Ms.
Simon said that she herself finds the sign very effective. Mr. Simonetti responded that this
was the reason he asked for the variance. He said that at the last meeting he had explained
that the purpose of it was to let people know about the availability of local milk. We sell
more fresh milk in Rhinebeck and Red Hook than in all of southern Dutchess. It has
made a big impact. He concluded by saying that he wouldn’t want the sign up for a long
period of time, one year maximum. Chairman Ross said that the Public Hearing will be
continued at 8:00 P.M. on September 12, 2007.
9:25 Public Hearing for Appeal 07-14, Laura and Dan Theisen application to reduce side
yard setback from the required twenty feet to 12.4 feet. The applicant’s lot is located at
17 Meadow Drive, Red Hook, in the R1.5 Zoning District. Chairman Ross opened the
Public Hearing, asking the Board for comments. Ken Anderson asked why the setback
requested was exactly 12.4 feet. Mr. Theisen said that that makes the garage 28 feet wide
and leaves ample room for the two garage doors that are going to be in there. The
standard is twelve feet per garage and that would be a little bit tight. He stated that he has
a classic car and he would like to have room to work on it. He explained that he can’t get
the doors open if he goes with the standard width. Even with a standard width, he stated
that he would still need a variance.
Jim Hegstetter confirmed that no correspondence, either for or against this variance, had
been received. Chairman Ross offered the applicant the option of having the Board vote
tonight or tabling the case until next month. Mr. Theisen opted to have the Board vote.
The public hearing was closed.
Motion to Grant Variance
Corinne Weber made a motion to grant the 7.6 foot area variance. It is
not a detriment to the community; it is a benefit to the landowner and
is not detrimental to the health, safety or welfare of the community. The
The motion was seconded by Jim Hegstetter and all were in favor.
REVIEW OF APPEAL
9:30 Continuation of Review of Appeal 07-12, David Baker Construction Co., Inc.
application to subdivide the existing flag lot into two parcels and reduce to twenty five
feet the fifty foot flag pole width which is required throughout the length of the flag pole.
The applicant’s lot is located at 40 Kristen Lane, Red Hook in the RD3 zoning district.
Chairman Ross stated that the applicant was not present because he had told him not to
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come if the Board did not hear from the Planning Board. He set the Public Hearing for
8:20 P. M., September 12, 2007. If the Planning Board does not provide input prior to
then, he continued, the Board will proceed on the merits of the information it has.
9:35 Review of Appeal 07-15, Brett Brandes application to reduce the rear and side
setbacks for his twelve by twenty pre-fab storage building from the required twenty feet
to three feet for the rear setback and fifteen feet for the side yard setback. The applicant’s
lot is located at 15 Columbia Avenue, Red Hook, in the R1.5 zoning district. Chairman
Ross stated that the lot is located in College Park. Mr. Brandes presented a map and
explained it to the Board. He said that the shed is in Pleasant Valley and the reason he is
moving it is that it is being vandalized and he wants to get it out before it is destroyed.
Chairman Ross said that on similar applications in the neighborhood the Board’s only
comment has been to move the shed a few feet from the line so it can be maintained and
he has already done that. He asked for comments from the Board. As there were no
comments, he set the Public Hearing for 7:30 on September 12, 2007.
ADJOURNMENT
A motion to adjourn was made by Tim Ross, seconded by Jim Hegstetter and all were in
favor. The meeting was adjourned at 9:40 P.M.
Respectfully submitted by,
Sheila Franklin
Clerk of the Board
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FINDINGS AND DECISION
Appeal #07-11, Derek Moore application for a variance from the district Schedule of
Area and Bulk Regulations to reduce rear yard setback of proposed deck from the
required minimum of 35 feet to twelve feet.
FINDINGS:
1. The property is located in the RD3 Zoning District at 181 Country Club Drive,
Red Hook.
2. Tax Map #6372-19-731129.
3. The zoning law requires a 35 foot rear yard setback for proposed deck.
4. The applicant wishes to reduce the setback to 12 feet.
5. There were no objections from the audience.
6. A variance would be of benefit to the applicant with no detriment to the
community.
6. There will be no change in the character of the neighborhood.
7. There will be no impact on the health, welfare or safety of the community.
DECISION: Jim Hegstetter made a motion to grant the variance based upon the
above findings. The motion was seconded by Tim Ross and carried by a 4-0 roll
call vote.
Dated: August 8, 2007
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FINDINGS AND DECISION
Appeal #07-10, Donald and Karen Signor for a variance from the District Schedule of
Area and Bulk Regulations to reduce front yard setback of shed from the required
minimum of 50 feet to two feet.
Findings:
6. The property is located at 20 Edgewood Drive, Rhinebeck, in the R1.5 Zoning
District.
7. Tax Map #6172-19-620067.
8. The zoning law requires a fifty foot front yard setback for shed.
9. The applicant wishes to reduce the setback to two feet.
5. A variance would be of benefit to the applicant with no detriment to the
community.
6. There will be no change in the character of the neighborhood.
7. There will be no impact on the health, welfare or safety of the community.
Decision: Tim Ross made a motion to grant the variance based upon the above
findings. The motion was seconded by Corinne Weber and carried by a 4-0 roll call
vote.
Dated: August 8, 2007
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FINDINGS AND DECISION
Appeal #07-14, Laura and Dan Theisen for a variance from the district Schedule of Area
and Bulk Regulations to reduce side yard setback from the required 20 feet to 12.4 feet
for proposed garage.
FINDINGS:
10. The property is located in the R1.5 Zoning District at 17 Meadow Drive, Red
Hook.
11. Tax Map #6172-00-787916.
12. The zoning law requires a 20 foot side yard setback for proposed garage.
13. The applicant wishes to reduce the setback to 12.4 feet.
14. There were no objections from the audience.
6. A variance would be of benefit to the applicant with no detriment to the
community.
8. There will be no change in the character of the neighborhood.
9. There will be no impact on the health, welfare or safety of the community.
DECISION: Corinne Weber made a motion to grant the variance based upon the
above findings. The motion was seconded by Jim Hegstetter and carried by a 4-0
roll call vote.
Dated: August 8, 2007
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