(3) Zoning Board of Appeals
Regular MeetingRed Hook, NY · January 14, 2009
Agenda
Town of Red Hook
Zoning Board of Appeals Meeting Minutes
January 14, 2009
CALL TO ORDER
The meeting was called to order at 7:10 P.M. by Chairman Timothy Ross.
ROLL CALL
Members Present: Timothy Ross, Nick Annas, Kenneth Anderson, John Douglas, Jim
Hegstetter, Corinne Weber, alternate Craig Christensen
Members Absent: Michael Mosher
Also Present: Bob Fennell, ZEO
PRELIMINARY BUSINESS
Minutes of December 10, 2008: Chairman Ross asked if there were any comments,
questions, deletions or additions to the Minutes. Hearing none, Nick made a motion to
approve the Minutes as submitted. The motion was seconded by Jim. As she was not
present at the last meeting, Corinne abstained. All others were in favor.
Planning Board Minutes and Letters: There were no comments from the Board.
Building Inspector/ZEO Permits and Memos: The current Permits were reviewed by the
Board.
Comments: Chairman Ross asked if anyone would be attending the Association of
Towns’ meeting in New York City on Presidents week-end. John responded that he will
be attending.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
7: 10 Public Hearing for Appeal 08-14, Michael & Erica Brown application to erect a 15
foot by 8 foot deck on the front of a dwelling, 39 feet from the property line where 50
feet is required. The applicant’s lot is located at 22 Cornell Avenue in the Rl.5 zoning
district. Chairman Ross asked if anyone was present to speak relative to this matter.
Hearing no response, he asked the applicants to come forward and briefly describe what
they are planning to do. Erica Brown presented three pictures and explained the deck
project, showing where the two proposed staircases will be located. There will be no
change to the driveway. Hearing no comments from the public, Chairman Ross closed the
Hearing and asked for questions from the Board. Hearing none, a motion was made by
John Douglas.
Motion to Approve Variance
John moved to approve the application to erect a fifteen by eight foot deck
on the front of the dwelling, 39 feet from the property line where 50 feet is
required. The applicant’s lot is located at 22 Cornell Avenue in the R1.5
zoning district. It is a good project, has a good plan and will have no
detrimental safety aspects. The motion was seconded by Corinne.
Chairman Ross added that no neighbors are concerned and the plans are
complete and accurate. A roll call vote was taken and all were in favor.
7:15 Continuation of Public Hearing for Appeal 08-09, Raymond application to expand a
non-conforming accessory dwelling unit by 100% of gross floor area where the size of
such expansion is limited to 50%. The applicant’s lot is located at 5098 Route 9G in the
RD3 zoning district. Nevien Sidarous of the Borenstein architectural firm was present as
well as the owner, Jean Raymond. Chairman Ross noted that this Hearing had been
previously published and continued for several meetings. He asked for a brief restatement
of the project for the benefit of Ken and Corinne, who were not at the last meeting.
Ms. Sidarous said that the footprint of the building was pre-existing. The expansion
involves only the upper level. They took out one of the bedrooms and created a staircase
and they are hoping to add two extra bedrooms upstairs. The initial intent was to improve
the look of the building by changing the pitch of the roof so that it blends in with the
other building on the property. This created space which they want to use for the extra
bedrooms. They went before the Planning Board and have obtained an approval. They
have consulted with an engineer regarding the septic and determined that it should be
expanded. They are planning to complete the necessary expansion if the variance is
granted.
Chairman Ross asked for specific questions from the Board. He said that copies of the
floor plan and the lease, which limits the occupancy, have both been received and
reviewed by the Board. Corinne asked about the neighbors’ concerns and Chairman Ross
said that they had come to one meeting and they were primarily concerned with the
appearance of the place and noise. Ms. Sidarous said that the owners have improved and
cleaned up the site.
Chairman Ross said that the Board has asked the neighbors to contact the owners if they
have concerns. Ms. Sidarous said that they have been given the name and telephone
number of the owner for this purpose. Mrs. Raymond said she had spoken to one of the
neighbors who said that sometimes the noise comes from the nearby bar and sometimes
from the students; however it has never gotten so bad that he felt he had to call her. She
stressed that they have fixed the place up not only because it is an investment property
but because of concern for the community. She said that they are there continuously both
in summer and winter to maintain the property and they want to be conscientious.
Chairman Ross stated that he feels that the property has been dramatically improved in
the last few years and looks much nicer.
Chairman Ross said that it is an existing non-conforming use and one of the issues was
some sort of limit on the number of people occupying the buildings. The applicant said
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that they want to fix the barn so that it will not fall down; but they have no intention of
making it habitable space. Hearing no comments from the public, Chairman Ross closed
the Hearing and asked for questions from the Board.
John pointed out that the letter submitted by Mr. Replansky indicates that the condition
causing the alleged difficulty is not self created by the property owner. Therefore,
although he admitted at the last meeting that there was great confusion on both sides of
the aisle, he is now stating that there were no difficulties created by the property owners.
The discussion moved on as Mr. Replansky was not present to address this comment.
Ken ascertained that a floor plan had been submitted and has not changed. There is one
bedroom downstairs and three bedrooms upstairs. The square footage is 800 square feet,
40 feet 7 inches by 20 feet 6 inches. It is a little less upstairs due to the pitch of the roof.
There are two apartments in the main house and there will be no more than that. The
cottage has four bedrooms but is categorized as one apartment as it has one kitchen and
one bathroom. It is on a five acre lot. Construction has ceased since the stop work order
was issued. The upstairs was initially to have been storage for musical instruments. Ken
ascertained that when they applied for the initial building permit for the roof, there was
no mention of any space in the building being occupied. Ms. Sidarous agreed that the
initial plan was for storage; however when space was created by changing the pitch of the
roof and it was considered viable for habitation, the owners decided they wanted to
utilize this space for bedrooms. They now want to correct the situation by getting the
proper permit.
Chairman Ross said that when Bob Fennell, ZEO and Steve Cole, Building Inspector,
inspected the site, they requested architect’s drawings and that is how the Borenstein
company became involved. Ms. Sidarous confirmed that her company was not involved
from the outset. They did an existing drawing and then applied for the proper permits so
that they could proceed. Chairman Ross said that they have updated their application,
increasing the number of bedrooms from two to four.
Jim said that his observation is that the property looks a lot better. However, if the
intentions of the owners had been clearer, it would have eliminated a lot of confusion.
Chairman Ross said that he does not have a problem with what they have done because it
has improved the property. However, valid concerns have been expressed that there
should be some reasonable occupancy limit. He ascertained that the owners have agreed
that they would be comfortable with a variance with conditions precluding any additional
conversion of the barn and limiting the number of people on the property. He said that it
is unfortunate that it occurred the way it did; however there has been an improvement to
the property. Prior to application, he continued, we really do not have a limit on how
many people can be in an apartment; however in granting a variance, we can place a limit
which gives us a little bit of an advantage relative to the use of the property.
Motion to Grant Variance
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Chairman Ross made a motion to grant a variance allowing a 100%
expansion of the gross floor area of the accessory structure in question at
the Raymond property on Route 9G in the Town of Red Hook adjacent to
the Village of Tivoli because it is a benefit to the applicant with marginal
detriment to the neighbors, particularly in light of the controls the property
owners have placed on it. It poses no health risk to public. The property
shall be limited to three units with no more than four persons residing in
each unit and no additional rental spaces for habitation shall be
constructed on the parcel. The motion was seconded by Corinne. John
added that the 2008 Building Code shall be adhered to in the
reconstruction on the premises. The Building Inspector shall use the Code
which came into effect on Jan. 1, 2008, rather than the previous Code.
Chairman Ross added that the septic system for the cottage shall be
approved by the Dutchess County Health Department.
A roll call vote was taken. Per the following, the motion was passed by a
five to one vote:
Ken Anderson Yea
Nick Annas Nay
Jim Hegstetter Yea
Corinne Weber Yea
Tim Ross Yea
John Douglas Yea
REVIEW OF APPEAL
7:30 Appeal 09-01, Teviot Property application for interpretation of the law prohibiting
accessory structures from being built in the WC and LD zoning districts. The applicant
wishes to construct a swimming pool and pool house, to be considered an outdoor
recreational facility. However such use is considered by law to be a principal use and
there is already a principal use on the property, viz. the single family residence. The
applicant’s lot is located at 40 Davis Lane in the WC zoning district. Jon Adams, attorney
and Tim Lynch, architect with the Chazen Companies, were present to represent the
owners.
Mr. Adams said that when they had first appeared before the Board (for a variance to
build a studio on the parcel) one of the intended uses, in addition to the studio, was to
have been a swimming pool. They did not have to appear before the Board on the
swimming pool issue because they had an interpretation by the ZEO that the pool was a
permitted use. However, after they appeared before the Planning Board, ZEO Bob
Fennell wrote a letter reversing his prior interpretation. He seemed to be saying two
things: you can’t have accessory uses in the WC zone and you can’t have more than one
principal use on a lot. We are seeking an interpretation of the latter issue, he said.
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Mr. Lynch then explained the project using the plans and a topographical map. The lot is
split in half by the Water Conservation (WC) and Limited Development (LD) zoning
districts. It is about two thousand feet deep and has the thousand foot river buffer. He
explained the proposed placement of the swimming pool in terms of the topography of
the lot. The location is shielded from view both from the river and from the road. Placing
the pool elsewhere would cause more disturbance of the vegetation.
Chairman Ross asked if they plan to demolish three buildings. Mr. Lynch said that they
were planning to demolish an old shed, a barn and a cottage. The demolition permit was
issued and then rescinded during the SEQR process with the Planning Board. The
Planning Board wanted to ascertain that the structures targeted for demolition were not of
any historical significance. He stated his opinion that ultimately these structures are not
going to be determined to be of any historical significance.
Mr. Lynch said that they are no longer planning to build the studio. The pool house will
be a new building. There will be a path from the main house to the pool house. Bob
Fennell said that the zoning law does not allow accessory uses to occur in the WC
district. It does allow dwellings and outdoor recreation. Mr. Adams asked if there is
language in the ordinance which specifically says that you cannot have two principal uses
on a parcel. Mr. Fennell responded that he does not believe it says that. Mr. Adams
responded that in the absence of such language, you can have two principal uses. Mr.
Fennell said that they have always felt that you couldn’t because it seems to be
understood. Mr. Adams said that most zoning ordinances will have a section which says
whether you can have multiple uses.
Chairman Ross read a relevant section of the law which refers to the “main or primary
purpose or purposes” for which structures may be occupied and maintained. Mr. Adams
said that a swimming pool does not have to be defined within the law as an accessory
structure. Chairman Ross agreed, but said that if it were to be called an accessory
structure, it would be prohibited in the WC zoning district. Chairman Ross read from the
Code the following definition of an accessory structure: “An accessory structure is a
structure the use of which is customarily subordinate to that of the principal building and
which is attached thereto or which is located on the same lot or premises…. Accessory
structures are not for the purpose of human habitation and include tennis courts, garages,
swimming pools,…” etc. Mr. Adams pointed out that if you look in the permitted uses for
the zone one of the uses is privately sponsored outdoor recreation, which includes the
swimming pool. There is thus a contradiction and when there is a contradiction, the
property owner gets the benefit of the contradiction. Where there is no restriction on the
number of principal uses, the swimming pool becomes another principal use.
Mr. Lynch said that the pool house is being designed, but will be approximately fifteen
hundred square feet. Nick asked if it will be a habitable structure. Mr. Lynch responded
in the negative, saying that it will not be for overnight guests.
Mr. Adams said that they would like to substitute the pool for the studio (for which a
variance has already been obtained). We still have the non-conforming uses and we still
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want to eliminate several non-conforming uses and substitute one which is less intense.
An alternative approach would be to consider the pool as something that would be used
in a residential zone. Therefore a use variance would not be required, only an area
variance. Mr. Adams said that in his submission for the application, he has set forth three
alternatives for construction of the pool in the location in question.
Chairman Ross said that he has walked the property and the site which is proposed is the
most logical. An arrangement was made for members of the Board to meet with Mr.
Lynch on Saturday morning to look over the site. Bob Fennell then read two sections of
the law which he felt were germane. “Section 143.19: Where more than one principal
building may be permitted on a lot, no detached principal building shall be located any
closer than any other principal building on the same lot.” This indicates that you may be
able to have two principal buildings or uses on a lot. “Minimum lot area per principal
dwelling unit: In all districts where residences are permitted, a lot may only be improved
for residential use in accordance with minimal lot area…If two or more principal
residential structures or dwelling units are located on the same lot….” Thus there is
mention in the law of lots which can have more than one principal structure. Mr. Adams
said that, by inference then, if you can have two principal dwellings, you can have two
principal uses.
Chairman Ross referred to a discussion a few years ago regarding a detached garage. At
that time, the pertinent section of Code required that you have a principal use before you
can have an accessory. He said that this is an extremely unique lot. It is split between the
WC and the LD districts. In the Limited Development District, accessory uses are
allowed; in the Waterfront Conservation District they are not. However it can also be
argued that it is a separate principal use.
Nick suggested that a conditional variance be granted with the provision that the estate
not be further subdivided. Mr. Adams said he would consult with the owner about that.
He said that the owner wishes only to respect this property. Bob Fennell said that he
thought that one of the reasons for the establishment of the Waterfront Conservation
District was the visual impact from the river and you don’t see swimming pools.
Chairman Ross said that you can barely see the top of the house. Mr. Lynch said that the
buildings on that property are almost invisible from the river. John agreed and Chairman
Ross said that in the summer you cannot see them at all. They are shielded by the wooded
section.
Upon further discussion, Chairman Ross said it is a question of whether you look at this
use relative to the section of the code referring to accessory structures or the section
concerning outdoor recreational facilities. It is defined in both. The interpretation is
twofold. One is to have two principal uses on a single parcel and the second is whether
the swimming pool is an accessory use to the house or a principal use on its own. If we
interpret that two principal uses are allowed and this is a principal use in and of itself,
then it would be permitted. Mr. Adams said that if you look at the permitted uses in this
zone, one of the permitted uses is outdoor recreation.
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Bob Fennell said that the existing shed is a non-conforming structure because it is an
accessory structure in the WC zone and you are going to change it to a swimming pool,
which is another accessory structure. This would be a change to an equal or less intense
use, which is provided for in the Code. Mr. Adams agreed with this statement, saying that
that was one of things which he included in his application. That would essentially
replace the swimming pool for the studio relative to the variance granted for the studio.
Nick said that it is necessary to look at the entire situation and consider what they want to
do in light of the objective of the WC district. If you don’t see it from the river, then for
all intents and purposes it is not there. Chairman Ross agreed. Why don’t we just grant a
variance then, Nick asked. Chairman Ross responded by saying that the Board has to take
into consideration what the next person to buy a property on the river might do. He added
that he thinks that this will be an improvement to the property.
John said that he would like to see the layout of the pool house. Mr. Lynch said that he
does not have floor plans, but he could provide elevations. John said that he would like to
see plans at the next meeting.
Should it be determined that a variance is needed, Chairman Ross asked Mr. Adams to
review how he would argue that an area variance rather than a use variance is required.
Mr. Adams said that there are many cases from the Court of Appeals which say that
where the use for which you want a variance is a use that would normally be found in that
type of district (and these are basically residential rather than commercial districts) that
you only need an area variance rather than a use variance. He said that he had cited an
example of a relevant case in his application. A swimming pool is basically residential.
The character of that use is similar to the character of the uses otherwise permitted in this
zone. In this zone, recreation and residential are just about the only uses permitted. The
court has said that where the uses are similar in character, you need an area variance
rather than a use variance.
Chairman Ross said that for the Public Hearing, the application should be updated to
include the two interpretations and the area variance, viz. are two principal uses allowed
on one property and can a swimming pool complex be a principal use in and of itself.
Bob Fennell said that the recreational use is allowed in the Code. If two uses are allowed,
he continued, then that use would be allowed. Chairman Ross asked Mr. Adams if he
would interpret the pool, pool house and tennis court as a recreational complex if the
Board were to interpret two principal uses were allowed. He responded that he would
consider it an outdoor recreational facility. Chairman Ross said that he would consult
with the town attorney relative to the need for a Hearing in this instance. Bob Fennell
reviewed the Code regarding the definition of recreational facility and found it to be a
vague definition. He said that on commercial properties, you can have more than one
principal use on a property, e.g. stores. He thought that the interpretation of one use on a
lot came from that but could not, at that moment, pinpoint a source in the Code.
The Public Hearing will be for two interpretations, an area variance and a change of non-
conforming use. The Public Hearing was set for February 11, 2009 at 7:15 P.M.
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ADJOURNMENT
A motion to adjourn was made by John Douglas, seconded by Corinne Weber and all
were in favor. The meeting was adjourned at 8:35 P.M.
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FINDINGS AND DECISION
Appeal 08-14, Michael & Erica Brown application to erect a 15 foot by 8 foot deck on
the front of a dwelling, 39 feet from the property line where 50 feet is required
FINDINGS:
1. The applicant’s property is located at 22 Cornell Avenue in the Rl.5 zoning
district.
2. Tax Map #: 6273-09-245542.
3. The applicant wishes to erect a 15 by 8 foot deck on the front of a dwelling, 39
feet from the property line.
4. A setback of 50 feet is required by law.
5. A variance would be of benefit to the applicant and no objections were voiced
by the neighbors.
6. There will be no impact on the health, welfare or safety of the community.
DECISION: John Douglas made a motion to grant the variance based upon the
above findings. The motion was seconded by Corinne Weber and all were in favor.
Dated: Jan. 14, 2009
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FINDINGS AND DECISION
Appeal 08-11, Raymond application to expand a non-conforming accessory dwelling unit
by 100% of gross floor area where the size of such expansion is limited to 50%.
FINDINGS:
1. The applicant’s property is located at 5098 Route 9G in the RD3 zoning
district.
2. Tax Map #: 6174-00-839998.
3. The zoning law requires that expansion of a non-conforming accessory dwelling
unit be limited to no more than 50%.
4. The applicant wishes to make a 100% expansion.
5. There will be no impact on the health, welfare or safety of the community.
6. A variance would be of benefit to the applicant with marginal detriment to the
neighbors
7. As concerns were expressed by the neighbors relative to increasing the
occupancy of the building, the following limit shall apply: there shall be no
more than three units on the property with no more than four persons residing in
each unit. Further, no additional rental spaces for habitation shall be constructed
on the parcel.
8. The 2008 Building Code shall be adhered to in the reconstruction of the
premises and this Code shall be used when the building is inspected by the ZEO
and/or the Building Inspector.
9. The septic system shall be approved by the Dutchess County Health
Department.
DECISION: Chairman Ross made a motion to grant the variance based upon the
above findings. The motion was seconded by Corinne Weber and was passed by a
five to one roll call vote.
Dated: February 11, 2009
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