(3) Zoning Board of Appeals
Regular MeetingRed Hook, NY · May 12, 2010
Agenda
Town of Red Hook
Zoning Board of Appeals Meeting Minutes
May 12, 2010
CALL TO ORDER
The meeting was called to order at 7:05 P.M. by Chairman Nick Annas.
ROLL CALL
Members Present: Nick Annas, Kenneth Anderson, Christopher Carney, John Douglas,
Paul Marienthal, Tim Ross, alternate Trilby Sieverding
Absent: Jim Hegstetter
Also Present: Bob Fennell, ZEO
PRELIMINARY BUSINESS
Minutes of April 14, 2010: Chairman Annas asked if everyone had read the Minutes of
the April 14, 2010 meeting and invited comments or questions. Hearing none, Paul
made a motion to accept the Minutes as written. The motion was seconded by John and
all were in favor.
Planning Board Minutes and Letters: There were no comments from the Board.
Building Inspector/ZEO Permits and Memos: The Board reviewed the Permits and
memos.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
7:15 Public Hearing for Appeal 10-01, Gonzalez-Stewart application to erect a solar PV
array 35 feet from the front property line where the Code requires a 60 foot front setback.
The applicants’ lot is located at 162 Spring Lake Road in the RD3 zoning district. Carlos
Gonzalez was present as was Dave Byrne of Hudson Valley Clean Energy. Chairman
Annas opened the Hearing and invited comment from the public. Mr. Gonzalez came
forward with pictures which he presented to the Board. He stated that he had wanted to
place the solar panels on the barn roof; however, the structure is very old and has an
uneven roof. He said that he felt that placing the array near the trees would make it less
visible and would minimize the impact. He gave the Board members copies of a photo
which he had marked to show his proposed site for the array. The septic field is to the
left of that site. The posts for the array could not be placed there as they would ruin the
septic field. Putting it further away would increase the cost. Therefore, this seemed like
the best place to site the array.
He noted that some people had objected to this site, as it would face the entrance to Deer
Run and have a visual impact on people entering or exiting that road. However, if we put
it 25 feet or more back, he continued, it would have the same or more visual impact. He
handed out another photo showing this proposed placement and said that the trees pretty
much block the view of the array. There is no safety issue as it would be behind a row of
trees; the only issue is the visual impact.
Chairman Annas said that he has been to the site and agreed that the only issue is that of
visual impact. He said that the Board had received several letters in regard to this appeal
and he proceeded to read the first letter, which was from the Red Hook Conservation
Advisory Council. The Council was strongly in favor of approval of this appeal.
Following the reading of this letter, Dennis Collett, a member of the Council, read into
the record his own letter in favor of the project. Chairman Annas noted that it was not the
purview of the Board to debate the merits of solar energy, but rather to address the issue
of the visual impact of the proposed array.
Harald Fivelsdal, who lives directly across from Mr. Gonzalez, read into the record
comments additional to those made in the letter which he had submitted to the Board. He
said that he has lived in Red Hook for 22 years and has been at his present address for ten
years. While stating that he was not opposed to renewable energy, he asked whether the
savings in energy could be achieved by other means. With a maximum height of ten feet
and length of 62 feet, there would be a 620 square foot billboard near the road. From my
property, he said, and coming down from Deer Run, you are going to see this solar array.
You can see beyond the trees from our home. We live on the hill and we can see it all the
time, he continued. If it is visual pollution to the residents of my neighborhood, then it
would be so for me and my family if it were moved further to the west. At the last
meeting, it was suggested that the array be moved sixty feet to the west. This would place
it squarely in front of our yard. He said that he realized that some kind of concession had
to be made; however he asked that the array be placed in the original, proposed location.
Don’t move it away from the residents of Deer Run and make it visible solely on my
family’s property so that our property can be devalued, he argued. There will be a ripple
effect; if our values go down, the other property values will go down. If I want to sell my
house in the future, I want to know that I can retain it’s value. The impact of this project
should be shared fairly with all the residents of Deer Run and not just put on my back, he
concluded.
Mr. Gonzalez agreed with Mr. Fivelsdal and said that he would never move it there
because the trees are thinner there and it would have a greater visual impact. For the
record, Chairman Annas then read the letter submitted by Mr. Fivelsdal. Mr. Fivelsdal
commented that when the trees in his yard shed their leaves, the whole field in question is
visible from his house. “One can look straight through the tree line”, the letter said, “and
see whatever is placed there.” It also suggested that either the other six acres owned by
Mr. Gonzalez and/or Ms. Stewart or their one hundred acre lot must afford at least one
site sixty feet from property boundaries which could be suitable for the PV array. It also
suggested that the Board obtain neutral expert opinion as to whether the benefit could be
obtained by other means. Further, the letter questioned why a large swath of trees could
not be cleared to make way for this project since Mr. Gonzalez has cleared trees in the
past for other purposes and owns the equipment necessary to relocate trees. He objected
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to consideration being given to the possible impact upon his neighbors’ properties while
the impact on his property is not taken into account.
Chairman Annas noted that if he wished to, Mr. Gonzalez could clear the trees along the
road and move the array sixty feet back from the field and he would not have to go
through the ZBA. That, he said, would be far more objectionable than anything under
discussion. In the conclusion of his letter, Mr. Fivelsdal said that “the question is whether
the Board can balance the desire to develop renewable energy use with the equally strong
desire to preserve the natural beauty and rural character of our town as well as the best
interests of all of our local residents.”
Chairman Annas asked for any further comments from the public. Mr. Tom Grieb, who
lives at 179 Spring Lake Road directly across from Mr. Gonzalez, said that he has no
objection to solar energy. He said that he has had solar on his house since 1985.
However, he said that he is opposed to this variance as he does not see the need to move
the array closer to Spring Lake Road. That will block the road view, create a cluttered,
billboard effect and will depreciate the value of the properties in the area. He said that he
had no problem with Mr. Gonzalez keeping his array inside the field. There is plenty of
room for him to do that without requiring a variance. Mr. Grieb also felt that there could
be a safety issue if a car were to hit the array.
Upon questioning, Chairman Annas said that he had met with Mr. Byrne and determined
that the request is for a variance of thirty feet rather than 35 feet.
Mr. Grieb asked why the variance is necessary. Mr. Gonzalez replied that he is asking for
the variance for aesthetic reasons. When you put the array closer to the trees, it
intermingles with them. If you put it in the middle of the field, it becomes more visible.
Mr. Grieb disagreed, stating that he felt the array would appear larger and more cluttered
the closer it is to Spring Lake Road. Dave Byrne expressed concern about shading from
the trees behind the open field if the array were placed farther away from the road. Mr.
Grieb disagreed with Mr. Byrne’s assessment of the amount of shading which would
result if the array were to be placed to the rear of the field. Mr. Byrne offered to go to the
field with Mr. Grieb and demonstrate how he has measured the degree of shading.
Mr. Collett pointed out that the engineering study which was done is an accepted practice
by NYSERTA in order to award a grant. Chairman Annas asked Dave Byrne if he was
willing to show the Board his engineering study and he agreed to go over his shading
analysis report with anyone who was interested. He said that Hudson Valley Clean
Energy has done a study and they have determined the optimal distance from the southern
tree line. Mr. Byrne agreed that the array could be moved another ten or twelve feet
toward that tree line; however there would be little or no change relative to visual impact.
Therefore he stressed the importance of discussing how the array could be shielded from
the road.
In response to questioning, Dave Byrne explained the NYSERTA process. There is a
technical review by engineering staff which usually takes about four to five months. This
application is pending, which means that it has passed the technical review. Further
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discussion ensued regarding the amount of shading and how it was calculated. Chairman
Annas asked Mr. Grieb if he would be happier if the array were moved thirty feet into the
field. He said that he would, because it would create less of an obstructive view along the
road way. Chairman Annas felt that the array would be more intrusive if it were in the
middle of the field.
Chairman Annas said that at the last meeting there was discussion about moving the array
ten to twelve feet closer to the southern tree line and it was mentioned that Mr. Gonzalez
has the equipment to do major transplanting. The whole issue, Chairman Annas said, is to
get the array out of sight. Dave Byrne said his company would paint the base of the poles
dark green. Jennifer Fivelsdal said that her property is on a hill and she would still see the
array from her windows. Harald Fivelsdal asked if geothermal energy could be used. Mr.
Byrne responded that geothermal does not work effectively for a house as old as Mr.
Gonzalez’s. In response to questions regarding alternative locations for the array, Mr.
Byrne said that he had looked at all the other possibilities, e.g. the barn roof, the house
roof, etc. and this was the only location on the property which would work effectively
and not force them to take down a huge swath of trees.
Chairman Annas said that the applicants can legally install this system and if they chose
to push the array back, the Board could not legally block them. Therefore, it is to our
benefit to work with them because if a variance is granted, conditions can be attached to
it which can be negotiated.
Paul said that he went to the site and walked it slowly and carefully. He asked why they
don’t simply resolve the issue by planting around the array. There is plenty of room on
either side of the existing trees to fill the space. Mr. Gonzalez said that the trees overlap,
so you can plant under the trees but there are no open spaces between the trees. Paul said
that you cannot plant between them, but you can plant thick, evergreen bushes in front of
them and fill that space. Dave Byrne said that the reason the proposed site is thirty feet
from the road is that if branches break during the winter, we do not want them to fall on
the array. When John suggested that trees be planted in between the existing trees and the
road, Mr. Gonzalez responded that this would choke out the existing trees. Paul suggested
that forsythia be planted. There was discussion regarding the type and location of various
kinds of plantings which would provide a horticultural solution. In order to resolve these
issues, John recommended that the next meeting be held at the property.
Mr. Collett underscored Chairman Annas’ previous observation, saying that from the
standpoint of law if Mr. Gonzalez does not get this variance, he can make this something
which would be much more undesirable by moving it into the middle of the field where it
will be much more visible. He felt that the issue of visibility was not important relative to
the larger environmental issue. The neighbors who were present strongly disagreed with
his viewpoint. Mr. Grieb said that those who live close to the property should be
considered.
Chairman Annas said that he wanted to continue the Hearing and meet as a Board on site
for further discussion of the issue. He asked Mr. Gonzalez to provide the precise location
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of the leach field. Mr. Gonzalez was not sure he could locate a map. Tim suggested that
he contact the Board of Health and give them the tax number of the property. If it is an
approved system, they will have it. Mr. Gonzalez expressed his dismay at the discussion,
saying that he was trying to do what he felt was best for the town by putting the array in a
spot which minimized the visual impact.
As Mr. Gonzalez was concerned about the possibility of impacting his septic system,
John pointed out that moving the array closer to the house will increase the efficiency of
the system and reduce the cost. He said that holding the next meeting at the site would
better enable the Board to determine whether the array can be moved closer to the house
and would also resolve the debate over whether or not there are holes between the trees
which need to be filled. Dave Byrne asked if the meeting could be held as soon as
possible. Chairman Annas schedule the continuation of the Hearing for May 14, 2010 at
4:30 P.M. at the Gonzalez-Stewart property.
7:50 Public Hearing for Appeal 10-02, Marchessault application to construct a front
porch 28 feet from the road where the Code requires a 50 foot setback. The applicant’s
lot is located at 21 Echo Valley Road in the R1.5 zoning district. Chairman Annas opened
the hearing and read into the record a letter of support from neighbor Lisa Murray. He
invited comments from the public. Mr. Marchessault said that they have wanted to put a
front porch on the house since they bought it. It would add value to the house and fits
with the neighborhood in which many of the houses already have front porches. He said
that the setback is necessary because they are right up against a rock hill.
Hearing no further comments from the public, Chairman Annas closed the Public
Hearing. He said that there had already been a variance allowing the front setback to be
reduced from 50 feet to 38 feet. The present variance will further reduce the setback from
38 feet to 28 feet. He agreed that the porch would be in keeping with the neighborhood.
Motion to Approve Variance
John Douglas made a motion to allow the Marchessaults to build a 320 square foot, ten
by thirty two foot front porch on their existing residence at 21 Echo Valley Road and
reduce the setback from 50 feet to 28 feet. It is not a detriment, but rather a benefit to the
Town of Red Hook. The motion was seconded by Tim Ross. A roll call vote was taken
with the following results:
Paul Marienthal Aye
Chris Carney Aye
Ken Anderson Aye
John Douglas Aye
Tim Ross Aye
Nick Annas Nay
The motion was carried by a five to one vote.
8:10 Public Hearing for Appeal 10-03, Chen (Red Hook Wine & Liquor) application to
construct a free standing sign and place it five feet from the side property line where the
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Code requires that no such sign be placed closer than 15 feet from any property line. The
applicant’s property is located at 8040 Albany Post Road in the B1 zoning district. The
applicant was represented by Mr. Larry Launhardt, who will be running the Red Hook
Wine and Liquor store at the site. Chairman Annas opened the hearing and read into the
record a letter from neighbor Pete Hubbell stating that he had no objection to the project
provided that it meets with the requirements of the town code.
In response to Chairman Annas’question, Bob Fennell said that there had been a previous
variance. There is presently a complex sign on the south side of the property. Mr.
Launhardt said that his store will be on the north side. Bob read the relevant sections of
the code and concluded that it permits a total of 76 square feet, 60 square feet plus the 16
square foot complex sign. Tim said that the Board does not have to deal with the complex
sign as that has already been dealt with. There was discussion as to the dimensions of the
existing and proposed signs.
Mr. Launhardt said that the variance he is asking for is to place his sign five feet from the
northern property line, rather than the fifteen feet required by the code. The Board,
however, was also concerned with whether or not proposed signage will meet the
requirements of the code. John asked Mr. Launhardt how big the sign will be. Mr.
Launhardt said that he did not remember, but the size has not changed. Tim said that the
total allowable signage is 60 plus 16 square feet and he is presently at 72 square feet at
the site. Therefore, he has four feet available. Chairman Annas said that the drawing
shows that the sign will be five by five, i.e. 25 square feet. Tim asked Mr. Launhardt how
far from the white line he is planning to put the sign. Mr. Launhardt responded that it will
be 18 ½ feet from the highway. Tim concluded that Mr. Launhardt needs two variances,
one for the additional 25 square feet of signage and one to reduce the setback from the
property line from fifteen feet to five feet.
Mr. Launhardt said the sign has not been made yet and therefore he would like to know
what size sign he can have. Tim said that he needs a diagram of what Mr. Launhardt is
planning to do. Bob said that Mr. Launhardt presently has a four square foot allowance
and he needs to apply for however much more he needs.
Chairman Annas said that Mr. Launhardt needs to ask for an additional variance as there
is no discussion of signage in the present application. He also stressed the need for Mr.
Launhardt to provide accurate dimensions and distance from the road. Chairman Annas
scheduled the continuation of the hearing for June 9, 2010 at 7:15 P.M.
8:30 Public Hearing for Appeal 10-04, Frick application to erect a single family dwelling
which would cover 13% of the property where the Code limits coverage to a maximum of
7% and to reduce the side setback from the minimum of 21 feet to 12 feet. The
applicant’s property is located on Country Club Drive in the RD3 zoning district. Tim
recused himself because he had done the septic design for Mr. Frick. Chairman Annas
opened the hearing and invited public comment. Neighbor Chris McLoughlin said that he
lives across the road from Mr. Frick and has the property closest to him on Rt. 199. He
said that he would not be able to see the proposed house and has no objection. Chairman
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Annas noted that the Board has received four letters in support of this project from Mr.
Frick’s neighbors, viz. from James Stathatos, Dennis McGettigan, John Coneys, and Don
and Carol Campbell. Mr. Frick then submitted to the Board eleven additional letters of
support from other neighbors, all living on Country Club Road.
Chairman Annas said that the width and placement of the proposed building seemed to be
dictated by the intent to use solar energy. Mr. Frick disagreed and used his map to show
the Board the orientation of the house and where the solar panel roof will be located. He
said that what he wants to do is orient the house so that from the main room, they can
follow the sun from breakfast to lunch to dinner.
Chairman Annas said that he did not have a problem with the coverage. Bob did a study
of the area and said that there is typically about 19% coverage. His concern, he said, was
that of safety. It is a 55 mph zone and the location of the bedroom could present a safety
hazard. Mr. Frick said that there is also a 20 foot buffer which the state owns and it is a
rise. There has never been an accident there, he said.
Mr. Frick said that what he is asking for is far less than any of the other variances which
have been granted in the area. He said that he chose to have the variance where it is so
that it would not affect the neighbor. If you like, he said, we can shift it to the other side,
but then we will need the variance on the other side. If I need 21 feet, the way it is sited
now I will have it on one side with 15.5 feet on the other side to the property line plus an
additional 20 feet of state owned land prior to the start of Rt. 199. So I am looking for
5.5 feet. He said that he could not push the house back any further because of the design
of the septic.
Motion to Approve Variance
Chairman Annas closed the Public Hearing. Paul Marienthal made a motion to approve
the reduction of the setback from 21 feet to six feet and to increase the coverage from 7%
to 13%. The motion was seconded by Ken Anderson. A roll call vote was taken with the
following results:
Paul Marienthal Aye
Chris Carney Aye
Ken Anderson Aye
John Douglas Aye
Nick Annas Nay
Tim Ross Recused
The motion was passed by a four to one vote.
ADJOURNMENT
Chairman Annas made a motion to adjourn the meeting. The motion was seconded by
Chris Carney and all were in favor. The meeting was adjourned at 9:25 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
Sheila Franklin
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FINDINGS AND DECISION
Appeal #10-2, Marchessault application to construct a front porch 28 feet from the road
where the Code requires a 50 foot setback.
FINDINGS:
1. The property is located in the R1.5 Zoning District at 21 Echo Valley Road, Red
Hook.
2. Tax Map #6272-00-812886.
3. The zoning law requires a 50 foot front setback.
4. The applicant wishes to construct a front porch with a 28 foot setback, reducing
the current 38 foot setback an additional ten feet.
5. There were no objections from the audience.
6. A variance would be of benefit to the applicant with no detriment to the
community.
7. There will be no change in the character of the neighborhood.
8. There will be no impact on the health, welfare or safety of the community.
DECISION: John Douglas made a motion to grant the variance based upon the
above findings. The motion was seconded by Tim Ross and carried by a 5-1 roll
call vote.
Dated: May 14, 2010
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FINDINGS AND DECISION
Appeal #10-04, Frick application to erect a single family dwelling which would cover
13% of the property where the Code limits coverage to a maximum of 7% and to reduce
the side setback from the minimum of 21 feet to 6 feet.
FINDINGS:
1. The property is located in the RD3 Zoning District on Country Club Drive, Red
Hook.
2. Tax Map #6372-19-739189.
3. The zoning law requires a maximum of 7% coverage and a minimum side
setback of 21 feet.
4. The applicant wishes to erect a family dwelling with 13% coverage and a 6 foot
setback.
5. There were no objections from the audience and a large number of letters from
neighbors in support of the project.
6. A variance would be of benefit to the applicant with no detriment to the
community.
7. There will be no change in the character of the neighborhood.
8. There will be no impact on the health, welfare or safety of the community.
DECISION: Paul Marienthal made a motion to grant the variance based upon the
above findings. The motion was seconded by Ken Anderson and carried by a 4-1
roll call vote with Tim Ross having recused himself.
Dated: May 14, 2010
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