(3) Zoning Board of Appeals
Regular MeetingRed Hook, NY · October 9, 2013
Agenda
Town of Red Hook
Zoning Board of Appeals Meeting Minutes
October 9, 2013
CALL TO ORDER
The meeting was called to order at 7:00 PM by Nick Annas.
ROLL CALL
Members Present: Nick Annas, Trilby Sieverding, John Douglas, Ken Anderson, Chris Carney,
Jim Hegstetter, Tim Ross
Also Present: Jim Ross, TB Liaison
PRELIMINARY BUSINESS
Minutes of September 11, 2013: Nick asked if everyone had read the September 11, 2013
Minutes and invited comments or questions. Hearing none, Jim made a motion to accept the
Minutes as written. The motion was seconded by Trilby and all were in favor.
Planning Board Minutes and Letters: Chairman Annas asked the Board if they had any
comments. There were no comments from the Board.
Building Inspector/ZEO Permits, Letters, Memos/Comments: The Permits and letters were
reviewed by the Board. There were no memos.
Comments from the Chairman: There were none.
PUBLIC HEARING
7:05 Appeal 13-04, Henry Cha application to install PV Array 13 ft. from side property. Section
143-18A(2) requires that accessory structures be located 20 ft. from any lot line. The applicant’s
property is located at 1 Crestwood Road in the RD3 zoning district, Tax Grid #6372-00-307697.
Nick reviewed the appeal of Henry Cha.
Nick read Henry Cha’s memo to the ZBA stating what David Burns of Hudson Valley Clean
Energy had to say regarding moving the solar panels.
Sam and Arlene Harkins are the adjacent homeowners.
Sam stated that the property where the infringement would be on is one of the few spots that
aren’t wetlands on that piece of property that Sam owns. Sam didn’t think it was fair that Mr.
Cha didn’t bother to get a survey done or have a surveyor tell them where their lines were and
stake them. Sam further stated Henry has five acres of clear land, so it’s not like trees or a
structure would block them. I don’t think it’s a proper variance to be granted.
Sam is concerned about the visual impact these arrays will have on the property when moved.
Nick stated that there are 10 acres of land between the two properties and questioned whether 7
ft. is truly significant in this situation.
Tim stated that 7 ft. won’t have an appreciable impact on the view shed. The bigger issue is how
are the arrays going to look to someone buying the property next to Henry.
Tim stated that anyone moving onto the neighboring property could plant a row of trees there,
which could cause Henry to lose some of the benefit from the panels.
Henry said he put the arrays where they are now so that no one could see them, either his
neighbor or himself.
There was much discussion as to where these panels could be moved to on Henry’s property.
Nick asked if there were any more comments from the audience.
Sam said that the area on his property adjacent to the panels is one of the few dry areas back
there. If someone wanted to build a barn, that’s probably where it would go, because the rest is
wetlands and you can’t build in wetlands or 100 year flood plains.
Henry said when he originally put those panels in he thought they were on his property. Henry
decided to have a survey done and that’s when he discovered they weren’t on his property.
Henry stated he is only trying to make good on his error.
Jim asked if there was a cost increment if the company moves them 15, 20 or 60 ft. What would
it be?
Henry stated that there is no cost increment unless they were moved back.
Sam made another comment stating that this all came to be because Henry planted some
forsythia and Sam thought they were being planted on his property. That’s when Henry had a
survey done.
Trilby asked Sam why he didn’t have any major objections to the variance at the previous
meeting.
Sam said the more he looked at where the flood plain is that was the only dry spot where
someone could plant trees or put up a barn. If someone were to build a barn there, it may block
the sun from the panels. He also said that there may be someone interested in the property and
one of the things they want to do is build a horse barn there.
Motion to Grant Variance
Trilby made a motion to grant the variance. The reduction to seven feet is
minimal, it does not adversely affect the view shed, and the cost to move all four
panels is substantial.
Nick asked for comments from the Board.
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John had no comments.
Ken stated he didn’t think the Board was given any opportunity that shows where the three
panels will be relocated and where the fourth panel would be relative to the other three panels
after the movement if Henry does not get an acceptance to the appeal. Ken stated that this was
why he was not in favor of granting the variance.
Tim stated that he disagreed with Ken as to the cost of moving the panels. He says it does matter
to us because our job is to weigh the benefits to the applicant relative to the detriment to the
neighbors because it’s an area variance.
Tim further stated that $1,500 is a lot of money but, the money Mr. Cha has in the panels, run the
risk of not being able to control their efficiency tomorrow or five years down the road. Tim’s
concern was what Henry already had invested in the panels. The long term benefit of that unit
would mean that Henry would move it to an area that had much better control of the long term
solar gain than those panels are going to get. That’s the reason Tim is not in favor of granting
this variance.
Jim stated that he agreed with Tim’s consideration. Jim felt that moving the panels further onto
the property would make them more visible to both properties.
Chris said he agreed with Tim in all the engineering facets. Chris disagreed with Tim in regards
to citing that the reason not to grant the variance because that is more an advisory capacity in
saying what you should or shouldn’t do with your panels. If it were anything else, for example, a
barn or something else, we probably wouldn’t be having this conversation. Obviously, you
know the risk of leaving the panels there and if you choose to leave them there, that’s your
choice. I don’t think the 7 ft. variance is substantial because of that reason.
Nick agreed with the points made by the other Board members. Nick further stated that, had
Henry come to the Board prior to putting the panels in place, he could not imagine the Board
granting a variance.
Vote on Motion to Grant Variance
Trilby Yea
John Nay
Ken Nay
Tim Nay
Jim Nay
Chris Yea
Nick Nay
Nick confirmed that the 5-2 vote constitutes a denial of the variance.
PUBLIC HEARING
7:40 Appeal 13-05, William McKay application for placement of (2) two 100 sq. ft. sheds.
Applicant’s 0.259 acre parcel is limited to 790 sq. ft. of building coverage (11,282 sq. ft. x 7%).
Applicant has an area variance for coverage up to 13% . Applicant would like an additional area
variance up to 16% to accommodate two sheds. The applicant’s property is located at 12
Country Club Drive in the RD3 zoning district, Tax Grid #6372-19-739189.
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Nick reviewed the appeal of William McKay.
Motion to Grant Variance
John made a motion that this variance be granted because the alleged hardship has
not been self created. It was created by the people who created the lots many
years ago. The request for variance does not alter the essential character of the
neighborhood. Tim added that it is a benefit to the applicant and no detriment to
the neighborhood. The motion was seconded by Ken.
Nick asked for comments from the Board.
There were none.
Vote on Motion to Grant Variance
Tim Yea
Jim Yea
Chris Yea
Nick Yea
Ken Yea
John Yea
Trilby Yea
PUBLIC HEARING
7:50 Appeal 13-06, Bruce & Odile Chilton application to:
A) Construct a 20 x 19 carport located in a hamlet district – Annandale. The application shows a
side yard setback of 3 ft. 143-18 2(A) states that an accessory structure be no less than 15 ft.
from any lot line. Applicant’s setback on map shows 3 ft.
B) Construct a 20 x 19 carport located in a hamlet district – Annandale. The application plot
plan shows the accessory structure built closer to the street than the principal structure 143-18 (2)
4. The applicant’s property is located at 1288 Annandale Road in the hamlet zoning district, Tax
Grid #6173-00-524427.
Bruce presented the survey maps to the Board.
Discussion ensued while viewing the survey maps.
John mentioned that he would like to see on the survey map exactly where Bruce wants to build.
Tim would like Mr. Chilton to ask John Decker, the surveyor, how he came up with those metes
and bounds. Were they taken off the file deed? Most of the older lots on that property read to
the center of County Rte. 103 and they have 35 ft. either side as the county easement but, the
property owner owns it and pays taxes on it.
Nick asked what type of carport Mr. Chilton would like to have built.
Mr. Chilton said he would like a roof that is very similar to the roof of his house (made out of
wood) with poles. It will house one vehicle.
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Mr. Chilton had two concerns in mind: (1) How important is the distance from the house
compared to the distance from the side yard boundary and (2) The property becomes steeper
closer to the house.
Nick said the carport cannot be located closer than 12 ft. to the nearest point of the primary
structure.
John asked that Mr. Chilton have Mr. Decker come out to the property again and have the survey
show where the carport is going to be and the exact size of the structure.
Nick would like Mr. Decker to place pins on the four corners of the proposed carport and then 2
more pins to show two points on the nearest lot line.
The Public Hearing will continue on November 13, 2013 at 7:05 p.m.
ADJOURNMENT
Jim made a motion to adjourn the meeting. The motion was seconded by John and all were in
favor. The meeting was adjourned at 8:20 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Jackie Fenaroli
ZBA Secretary
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