(3) Zoning Board of Appeals
Regular MeetingRed Hook, NY · January 14, 2015
Minutes
Town of Red Hook
Zoning Board of Appeals Meeting Minutes (Approved)
January 14, 2015
CALL TO ORDER
The meeting was called to order at 7:00 PM by Chairman Annas.
ROLL CALL
Members Present: Nick Annas, Chris Carney, Ken Anderson, John Douglas, Trilby Sieverding,
Tim Ross
Members Absent: Jim Hegstetter
Also Present: Victoria Polidoro, Office of the Town Counsel
PRELIMINARY BUSINESS [there is also discussion and motions and votes regarding the
minutes at the end of the meeting]
Minutes of December 10, 2014:
The Board and Victoria Polidoro discuss the December Minutes, including the pros and cons of
longer versus shorter Minutes. The Board decides it prefers a summation of the minutes, rather
than a verbatim version of the Minutes. Tim Ross moves to adopt summary style Mintues, John
Douglas second, all are in favor.
Variance Resolutions: [discussion takes place at the end of the meeting]
Victoria Polidoro explains the Variance Resolution to the Board, stating that the initial section
can be filled out ahead of time, and the findings should be written in during the meeting. Tim
Ross indicates that the Clerk should complete the first section, prior to the meeting.
APPEAL
Appeal 14-08, Douglas and Talea Taylor application for an interpretation of the determination of the
Building Inspector denying building permit #2014:0073 be revoked pursuant to Section 74-5 K Fire
Prevention and Buiding Construction, of the Code of the Town of Red Hook, siting mobile home was
illegally placed on the Historic Hudson Valley property, i.e., without a valid building permit. The
applicant’s property is located at Montgomery Place Orchards, River Road in the Agricultural Business
District, Tax Grid #6173-00-520145.
The Board identifies the issue before it as whether or not the Building Permit was properly revoked.
Legal counsel for the Board has drafted a Resolution, which states that the Board has reviewed all
documentation presented to it, and as a result of this review, upholds the Building Permit Revocation. The
Board votes unanimously to adopt the Resolution.
PUBLIC HEARING
Appeal 14-09, George and Cathy Michael application for an area variance to place an accessory structure
ten feet from side property line. Section 143-18 (A) states that no accessory structure shall be set back
less than 20 feet from any lot line. The applicant’s property is located at 8033 Albany Post Rd. in the B1
zoning district, Tax Grid #6373-00-145791
Trilby Sieverding moves to open the Public Hearing, Tim Ross seconds. All are in favor.
The Applicants present documentation to the Board, including information on the dimensions, location,
materials, a history of the buildings on the parcel, and a letter from the nearest neighbor, a Mr. Dominic
Tampone, who is in favor of the project. The Applicants also describe the proposed accessory structure,
and their motivation for replacing the present structure with a larger, new one. They would like to have
more space for storage and projects on their property. The Board discusses the project with the
Applicants.
John Douglas moves to close the Public Hearing, Chairman Annas seconds. All are in favor.
Chairman Annas states for the record this is a Type II SEQR action, with no apparent impact.
Tim Ross: It won’t produce any undesirable change, the Applicants explained that there is no
[other] reasonable way to achieve what they are looking for. It’s not substantial, in fact it is
consistent with an existing structure. It won’t adversely affect the health or environment of the
neighborhood. It [the hardship, for which the Variance is sought] was not self-created. The
building it is replacing is already there [no structures will be added to the parcel]. It is a
minimum variance, since it is no closer [to the lot line] than the existing structure, there will be a
little more side [square] footage. [To the Applicants] The benefit of you getting that [the
Variance] is if it gets knocked down, and you don’t replace it for 18 months, you still have the
Variance to replace it at a later time, so it’s really the best avenue for you to proceed [obtaining a
Variance].
Chairman Annas asks Victoria Polidoro about filling out the Variance Resolution form. She
states that it is not necessary to fill it out at the meeting, as long as the discussion [of each point]
is contained in the Minutes.
The Board votes unanimously to grant the Area Variance.
Tim Ross: I would go through this [Variance Resolution Form] as the Findings [and Decision]
for everyone, even if we have to plow through the Minutes to make sure it is complete.
The Board votes unanimously to grant the Area Variance.
PUBLIC HEARING
Appeal 14-14, Patrick Murphy application for an area variance to create an accessory apartment
within a new, independent structure of 784 square feet of habitable space. Section 143-66.1
states that an accessory apartment shall contain a maximum of 650 square feet of habitable
space. The applicant’s property is located at 163 Hapeman Hill Road in the R3 zoning district,
Tax Grid# 6372-00-875777.
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The Applicant outlines the history of the accessory apartment on his 3.152 acre parcel.
According to a 2008 Building Permit, it began as a garage, to which an apartment was added, in
2009 (see relative Building Permit) in order for his family to live on the parcel, while
construction on their 3500 square foot house proceeded. At some point, the Applicant states
about three years ago, the Applicant converted a carport attached to the garage/apartment, into a
three season room, by enclosing it on three sides. The room was used for storage, for his wife’s
licensed daycare business. He also has a construction business, with commercial vehicles and
equipment, which he runs from his home. Presently, the Applicant lives, with his family, in the
completed 3500 square foot house, and has rented the accessory apartment to two people.
Beth Bishop, a neighbor at 152 Hapeman Hill Rd. has concerns about traffic, noise and
additional burdens on the Applicant’s onsite septic system,that the main house and accessory
apartment on one parcel could cause.
George Verilli, a resident at 187 Hapeman Hill Rd. has concerns about the capacity of the septic
system on the parcel. He states that there should be separate systems for the main house and
accessory apartment. He is also concerned about the activity and traffic caused by the
construction business. He states that the Murphy’s are neat and quiet neighbors, but is concerned
about what would happen with the construction business and accessory apartment were the
Murphy’s to sell their property, since the neighborhood is primarily residential.
Richard Hansen, a neighbor, residing at 25 James Court is concerned about the septic system
capacity on the parcel. He maintains that a C of O should not have been issued for the 3500
square foot house, since there was already a dwelling on the parcel. He states that the absorption
field expansion area is not meant to be used as a primary septic system area, but only as a back
up in case of system overload. He states that as things stand, it is being used as a primary septic
system area, and there is no back up. He compares the septic system needs on the parcel, with a
4 bedroom house, and an accessory apartment to a nearby, proposed development, at Lakes Kill,
and maintains that the Murphy’s need community septic, for the two dwellings.
Mr. Hansen challenges the square footage of the accessory apartment, presented by the
Applicant, stating that it is more than double the size reported on the Building Permits. He states
he used a range finder to obtain measurements of the structure. He submits an elevation of the
structure, depicting what he feels are its true dimensions, to the Board. He also states that the
Building Permits, and C of O’s were issued in error, by the Building Inspector and Code
Enforcement Officer. He repeatedly characterizes the Public Hearing as a “piddling contest”,
and insists that the Board considers what he has to say, over and above the Applicant’s
presentation.
Pam Sheehan, a neighbor, who sold the property to the Applicant is concerned about 2 dwellings
on a 3.152 acre parcel. She states, that she cannot build an additional dwelling on her parcel of
100 acres, and that the Applicant’s parcel is too small for two dwellings. She states there was
some sort of dog breeding or canine facility on the property, at one point.
Jack Dillon, a neighbor, residing at 145 Hapeman Hill Rd., wants to see the Dutchess County
Board of Health Approved Septic Plan. Otherwise, he states, he is fine with the accessory
apartment on the Applicant’s property.
Victoria Polidoro and Chairman Annas state that these are not issues before the Board.
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The Board members conclude that the Applicant needs to present an approved Septic Plan, with
map, from the Dutchess County Board of Health, including the absorption field, and requests the
measurements performed by the Chair of the Planning Board, Zoning Enforcement Officer,
Steve Cole, and Planning Board Member, Sarah Gilbert, during their site visit, on November 8 th,
2014. The Public Hearing is to be continued at the February 11th, 2015 meeting.
The Applicant states that Steve Cole told him he needed a Special Permit for an accessory
apartment. The Applicant applied to the Planning Board, and was present for the site visit on
November 8th, 2014. The resulting measurements put the Applicant over the permitted 650
square feet. The Applicant maintains that he spoke to Steve Cole asking if he was permitted to
enclose three walls of his carport to create the three season room, and that Steve said “He didn’t
have a problem with it”
Trilby Sieverding mentions the former daycare, and states the Applicant would have needed a
Special Permit for that operation. Chairman Annas notes another area of concerns regarding the
construction equipment he saw outside during his site visit that day. He doubts it is in
compliance with current zoning – that there is a limitation on the amount of commercial
equipment that can be stored on a residential property.
Tim Ross moves to continue the Public Hearing, and Trilby Sieverding seconds. All are in
favor.
Victoria Polidoro: Before you adjourn, can we please talk about the [Variance] Resolutions?
[The Board discusses the Variance Resolution]. You don’t have to fill it out now, since it is after
the fact, but it is important to fill in details, in practice, so if there is something is contentious,
you want to be able to document it.
Chairman Annas: I talked to her on the phone [Anne Rubin], and she brought up something that
[speaks to] filling it out during the meeting, because if there is something we are not in
agreement on, we have to take the opinion[s] of the consensus.
Victoria Polidoro: You can fill in the front [of the Variance Resolution] ahead of time, and then,
as you go through the findings, you fill in each area.
Tim Ross: Have Anne do that ahead of time, and then whichever person makes the motion, can
go through and fill it out
The Board discusses the Minutes with Victoria Polidoro. Her comments are as follows:
Victoria Polidoro: From a legal standpoint, if there is something contentious, that could lead to
litigation, I always recommend this format. If we end up in court, we can highlight things and
point them out for the judge. Judges are not going to listen to a tape, they are not going to watch
a video. They are going to go to the page I tell them to go to, and look at what was said, and
what happened. If something is contentious, this [format] is my preference. This is your
minutes, and you can decide. I’m just telling you for context. We prefer this type of discussion.
For something where you are talking about a lot line for a shed, that’s not contentious, that’s not
going to go to litigation, I don’t think this is necessary.
The Board discusses the pros and cons of skeleton minutes versus full minutes.
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Victoria Polidoro also recommends having the Applicants sit before the Board, and not in the
back of the room, in order to discourage exchanges between the Applicants and members of the
Public.
The Board agrees that the Meeting Minutes from December be condensed.
Tim Ross moves that the Board have condensed Minutes, Chairman Annas seconds. All are in
favor.
Tim Ross moves to adjourn the meeting. Trilby Sieverding seconded, all are in favor.
The next Zoning Board of Appeals meeting will take place at 7:00pm, on February 11th, 2015, at
Town Hall.
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