Parks and Recreation Advisory Board (Formerly Parks, Rec and Senior Services)
Regular MeetingRoyal Oak, MI · May 3, 2018
Minutes
City of Royal Oak
Recreation Department
1600 North Campbell Road
Royal Oak, MI 48067
248-246-.3180
Minutes
Parks, Recreation and Senior Services Advisory Board
Thursday May 3, 2018 at 7:00p.m.
City Hall Commission Chambers
211 South Williams St. Room 315
Royal Oak, MI 48067
Meeting called to Order 7:00pm.
Members Present: Tim Ciechorski, Maya Harris, Kaila Huehner, Jeffrey
Plachta, Paul Kanan, CamilleThompson, Mike Ripinski, Mark Ryan, Jill
Robinson, Commissioner Macey
Also Present: John Fedele, Superintendent of Recreation, Greg Rassel,
Director of Rec. & Public Service
I. Approval of Minutes: March 8, 2018 – Motion by Mark Ryan, seconded
by Tim to approve February minutes. Motion passed unanimously.
II. City Commission Comments: Commissioner Macey discussed most
members of the Senior Task Force have been appointed. Awaiting a
Commission representative to be assigned. Mentions, parking lot in front
of City Hall will be closed on May 7th.
III. Public Comment:
- Stephanie Cantos: Comments that Elks Park needs work and begs to
work on basketball courts first as they are heavenly used whenever the
weather is favorable. Would suggest re-doing the parking lot over the
tennis courts as well.
IV. Business:
- Greg Rassel had requested to switch topic “B” Whittier Park Naming
Request, to be moved in front of item “A” Normandy Oaks Presentation
50% CD to Park Commission- Approved.
a. Whittier Park Naming Request: Amy and Chris Inman, Royal Oak
Resident for 4 years, experienced a tragic death to their newly born
daughter, Gracelyn. Whittier Park was her favorite place to be and
have request approval for a memorial at Whittier Park.
Plans include two additional swing sets, two spring toy cars, one police
car and one firetruck, in honor of the courageous and compassionate
first responders that helped respond and their support of Gracelyn’s
passing, with a reflection garden that will include a rain garden with a
bolder plaque in memory of Gracelyn.
Plan to have a ribbon cutting ceremony on August 26th, which would
have been Gracelyn’s 2nd birthday.
Mike state that the board needs to give approval of adding
naming rights/signage to the Parks and Recreation
Department to move forward. It is a significant donation
Motion to approve memorial of park passed unanimously.
b. Normandy Oaks Presentation 50% CD to Park Commission: Greg
Rassel states 50% completion and getting into details of cost of park
now. The cost was $3.3 million to build, and some decisions had to be
made to get back to budget of $3 million. Going into project there was
going to be phases. We wanted to do 80% of the park at 100% quality
and took the long view and lifespan approach versus expanding the
park at lesser quality. Alternates will be presented when project goes
out to bid. In the next week(s) Robertson Brothers will be moving
excess dirt from their housing projects to shape the sled hill, and berm.
Introduces Bob Ford, LAP + Creative and Steve Sutton from Nowak
and Fraus.
- Bob Ford: Introduces Steve Sutton and Jake Hamilton from Nowak and
Fraus and Angie Monroe from Vortex.
- Bob Ford: Shows master plan of Normandy Oaks as review, goes over
entry points to park and explains the reason behind the entry points
shown is to keep traffic at low as possible. Explains blue ponds on
map are the existing retention ponds. The intent is to capture water
and retain it into the ground for plant roots.
Jeff asks if there is standing water in retention ponds as of
today?
Mentions about a rat infestation and how they
thrive when having shelter, food and water.
Mike states that there were always ponds on the golf
course and they drain quick.
- Bob Ford: Budget is $3 million. Create perimeter paths around park with
distance markers. Western area is intended to be paved and ADA
accessible. Big path will be aggregate surfaces and ADA accessible.
Explains the southern area of plan will be mowed natural areas.
Jeff asks how natural will the southern areas be?
Bob responds the passive area will have mowed
pathways and the surrounding areas will grow
naturally. They have located every tree on site and
quality of trees in the passive area.
- Bob Ford: Sledding hill is 15 ft. high. Can go higher but is limited by pre-
existing trees, soccer field and utilities. Sled hill is located where in
winter it will collect and retain great amounts of snow. During the
summer, the hill will be used as a resistance training/exercise area.
Jeff asks if there will be a pathway on the hill?
Bob responds that there will be a path but will not
be ADA compliant, it is not designed to be ADA
compliant. The hill is at a 1 to 3 angle so can’t be
ADA.
Bob mentions, not everything has to be ADA
compliant but 95% is ADA compliant
Jeff asks if 15 ft is high enough to have “speed” for
sledding
Bob responds it is not steep enough to be “fast”
Kaila ask if there are any areas to sustain wildlife?
Bob responds that there is encouragement to put in
bat houses, butterfly garden, bird houses in park
to encourage public education on species.
Mike states that the nature society is very involved
and may be interested in helping.
- Bob Ford: There are 3 primary core areas
Splash Pad
Playground
Pavilion
Southwest corner of plan will be maintenance shed, incorporate loop
drive with 3 areas of access in park and have bio swells with a sign
saying, “the bio swells are working for you.”
The Main playground will be broken into 2 phases: 1st phase large rope
play area. 2nd phase has a potential “DNA” climber- will need a donor.
Artificial grass/turf will cover around the playground area.
Shelter off to the north will be the small pavilion and there’s a pavilion
off to the south will be larger.
Mike asks if there will be any restrooms in pavilion?
Bob responds, there will be bathrooms in the back
of the large pavilion.
Splash pad area
Angie with Vortex: Talks about 3 zones: Toddler zone, family area and
the teen bay which features a big iconic super splash feature, massive
dump bucket, everyone wants and is most used feature in splash pads.
Put tables and other amenities in splash pad area. The water
management system is recirculating system which has a dome and can
be locked. A hose bid will be attached off to the side as well for
maintenance crew.
Activator button will be installed. Can set days and times when pad is in
operation and activator button will only be used if button is pushed. Will
run for six to eight minutes.
Angie goes over different features in splash pad: Ground Sprays,
Rainbow Feature, Super Splash, water cannons (2), silhouette spray.
Mike asks what is the surface of the splash pad?
Angie responds that it is a broom finish concrete,
there won’t be any color to the concrete.
Jeff asks if this was the proper pump for area?
Angie responds that it is more expensive at first,
but it is better in the long run.
Mike asks if there is a control for the activator button?
Angie responds that you can control the activator
button from offsite with an app or on site.
Mike asks what the seasonal maintenance? Is it labor
extensive?
Angie responds that setup and shutdown is simple.
It is like an irrigation system.
Jill asks what is the lifestyle of system?
Angie responds that she has other systems that
have lasted for 20 years and if they are maintained
properly they will last.
Kaila asks if there is something that regulates the
temperature of the water during hot summer days when
water is sitting in system for long period of time.
Angie responds that there is no water being held in
the system if it is not being used. If it is not “on”
then there is no water running through.
Playground
- Bob Ford talks about the playground and how it is more of a rope
playground feature broken into two phases. Phase 1 will have a
Neptune climber, a 12 ft. tall tube slide and will have artificial grass
around area.
Phase 2 will have a DNA climber; all rope structures are see through for
clear visibility. Phase 1 and 2 will serve more as a playground for 5 –
12-year old’s.
Jill asks what the dimensions for the playground is?
Bob responds 40 ft diameter, phase 1 is half that
and the DNA climber can be as tall as pocket
book.
Mike asks what is the surface of the playground?
Bob responds that the surface is shawgrass
(presents two samples to the board). Phase 1 will
cost $200,000 and Phase 2 will cost $199,000
Pavilion/Restroom Building
- Bob Ford: Capacity will be 75 to 100 people and have ADA compliant
restrooms. It will have a metal roof for longevity, include glass block
band around pavilion restroom for natural lights as well as lights in the
restrooms.
Matt asks if this pavilion is year-round?
Bob responds that it will be closed during the winter
and it is open from dusk to dawn during season.
Jill ask if there are any lights in the pavilion itself?
Bob responds that there are 3 lights along the line
of the roof
Mike states that the drawings are exciting and amazing.
The pavilions are income producers for the city. Ask do
we charge for them?
Greg states that the rental charge goes into the
Recreation Budget
Jeff asks if the rentals for the pavilion are for residents
only?
Greg states that they are for everyone
Tim asks if there are any weather shelter for this pavilion?
Bob states that this shelter will be the only place for
shelter during bad weather. Can open doors to
maintenance “closet” if needed for short period
Parking lot (West)
- Bob Ford: We will extend parking lot all the way to end.
Mike ask that the initial drawings only had 1/3 of spaces to
what is show now?
Bob responds that the parking lot has been
extended to create more parking spaces.
Jill asks how many spaces?
Bob states there will be 210 paces
Mark ask if there are retention basins in the parking lot?
Bob responds that because of the bio swells, water
will run off and drain into them
Jeff asks where does the water in parking lot go first?
Bob responds that the water will go to the bio
swells first, polish the water then goes into
retention if there is an overflow.
Camille ask is there is any emergency lighting?
Bob responds that there is no lighting in the lot
since the operation hours of the park is from dusk
till dawn.
Cost Analysis
- Bob Ford: $3,249,000 million is the cost, we are cutting the bridge
going into Elks Park, the rest will be picked up in line items of the
budget. There is a healthy contingency because you use them. As
project winds down, money can flow into other areas if budget allows.
Mark asks for clarification on what the description is on
the 3rd column of budget sheet.
Steve responds that those are units of measure
Mike asks what bridge from Elks Park to preserve area?
Greg states that it was in the initial project and had
to sequence items out, by getting rid of bridge,
reduce the cost of preserve area, make it a more
natural area, to present to commission in June to
have a cost close to budget.
Jill ask what pathways between active and passive zone?
Greg states that there will be trails throughout the
park, but preserve will have mowed paths.
Jill asks if we can make it into 3 phases instead of 2?
Mike wants a discussion with Greg and John to talk about
clubs around city that could help with funding from service
clubs.
Greg states that the purpose of tonight is to brief on
what we’ve done since dirt has been moving.
Mike commemorates Commissioner Gibbs and thanks her
for being in attendance.
Commissioner Gibbs states she wants own copy of the
PowerPoint presentation, wants an e-mailed version.
Thinks there are items in plan now that weren’t in initial
plan, like grills.
Greg states that it is essential when putting in a
park, it will be the first thing people will look for.
Mike states that this is not the final version
Greg states that it is 50% completion to bring attention to
the board and to see the schedule and remainder of plan.
Jill asks what the schedule for Elks Park is?
Mike states that Elks Park will rely on grant money.
Greg states that cannot get grant money for location of
where the park is.
Tim asks without bridge, can it put Elks Park back in grant
mode?
Greg responds that we will see where it goes
overtime and re-evaluate
Bob states volunteer services to present to clubs around
area.
Mike mentions when club meetings are held
Maya asks for slide; do you climb up the Neptune to get to
the slide?
Bob responds that you literally must climb to get to
the slide.
Notion to review and finalize: Motioned by Tim Ciechorski, Second by
Mark Ryan, unanimously approved.
V. Items not on the Agenda:
- Mike states that all members on the board should receive the “Senior
Times” publication and encourages people to look through it.
- Jill asks if the kickoff meeting for Downtown Advisory Board was held
on 3/26?
Tim states that it was already held and not much of the
public showed up.
- Jill states that Tim and Mark are on Downtown Task Force
- Tim asks for summary of WIFI at the Senior Center
John responds by the end of the calendar year.
VI. Upcoming Events
a. Royal Oak in Bloom: May 13
- Mike states that is moved to 6th street parking lot, closer to
Oakland Community College by the railroad crossing. Parking
will be spread out. It is a great opportunity to buy plants and
vegetables.
b. Memorial Day Parade
- Mike states that is it a great parade that honors veterans and
those who gave the ultimate sacrifice.
Next Meeting: Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 7:00p.m.
Motion by Mark Ryan, seconded by Jeff Plachta to adjourn at 8:25 p.m. Motion
passed unanimously.
Respectfully Submitted, Approved,
John Fedele Paul Kanan
John Fedele, Superintendent of Recreation Paul Kanan, Secretary
Agenda
City of Royal Oak
Recreation Department
1600 North Campbell Road
Royal Oak, MI 48067
248-246-.3180
AGENDA
Parks, Recreation and Senior Services Advisory Board
Thursday May 3, 2018 – 7:00 p.m.
City Hall Commission Chambers
211 South Williams Street Room 315
Royal Oak, MI 48067
Meeting called to Order
I. Approval of Minutes – March 8, 2018
II. City Commission Comments
III. Public Comment
IV. Business
a. Normandy Oaks Presentation 50 Percent CD to Park Commission
b. Whittier Park Naming Request
V. Items not on the Agenda
VI. Upcoming Events
a. Royal Oak in Bloom May 13
b. Memorial Day Parade May 28
Next Meeting: Thursday, June 7, 2018
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