Parks and Recreation Advisory Board (Formerly Parks, Rec and Senior Services)
Regular MeetingRoyal Oak, MI · February 7, 2019
Minutes
City of Royal Oak
Recreation Department
1600 North Campbell Road
Royal Oak, MI 48067
248-246-.3180
Minutes
Parks, Recreation and Senior Services Advisory Board
Thursday February 7, 2019 at 7:00p.m.
Mahany/Meininger Senior/Community Center
3500 Marais Avenue
Royal Oak, MI 48067
Meeting called to Order 7:01 PM.
Members Present: Sarah Kindinger, Tim Ciechorski, Maya Harris, Crystal
Chow, Commissioner Melanie Macey
Also Present: John Fedele, Superintendent of Recreation.
Members Absent: Paul Kanan, Jeffrey Plachta, Greg Rassel, Director of
Public Services and Recreation,
I. Approval of Minutes: Change date: Motion by Sarah Kindinger, Second
by Crystal Chow, unanimously approved
II. City Commission Comments:
Oakland County Parks Board has approved a proposal that would give the City $1
million for Normandy Oaks. Still has to go through the Oakland County
Commissioner Board.
Last commission meeting, we approved the payment of the playground equipment
for Normandy Oaks.
John Fedele states that we just completed the Pre-Bid meeting for the park with
an estimated break ground in April.
Golf course netting pre-bid will be on February 20, 2019. There are houses in the
area that the netting will go up to shield those homes.
Do we need to reconvene the Normandy Oaks Task force?
John is not sure if they will need to be reconvened for the decision of awarded
contractor.
Nicole and Crystal would be interested in service on the Normandy Oaks Task
Force.
III. Public Comment:
- Stephanie Comptos: Friendly suggestions regarding Normandy Oaks,
seeing a lot of chatter on social media sites and there are some
rumor/chatter on what’s going on or not going on. If there could be
periodic updates as to what is going on that would be great
Suggestion: people are using the hill to sled, not very safe a lot of
construction going on.
Suggestion: When we are ready to begin construction, keep fences
up until the last minute. People are off roading in the park.
- Pat McGee: Reiterate what Stephanie Comptos regarding the sledding
and four wheeling going on inside the Normandy Oaks Park area.
o Commissioner Macey ask if there are fences there?
Pat says no, nothing.
The building of the small homes by the berm, maybe by Nowak and
Fraus, is there any known construction going on by the berm or no?
Robertson Brothers took a large boulder from Normandy Oaks Park
and placed in on their development. Water runoff in the park is
exponentially greater than it has now. Intersection of Nakota was
flooded and I believe there was a water main break.
The build up of the park from Robertson Brothers going onto
Normandy Oaks Park is growing and Robertson Brothers should take
responsibility. Also, a lot of construction debris lying around their
area is unacceptable. Thinks the housing development is taking
advantage of park since no one is there watching it.
Has brought this up to Greg Rassel, states Greg has told him
that it is not a work site yet.
- Stephanie Comptos: The debris is just not going into the park but its
spreading through the whole neighborhood.
- Joe Spatafore: I am the manager of the Royal Oak Golf Course I mow
that park and the debris is bad. Some days I spend more time picking
up trash than I do mowing the park. I do not pay much attention to the
housing development but mostly the park.
- Janice Wagman: Still no handicap signs at the Farmers Market.
Hotline number that we have to call still stakes January 31st. I would
recommend having a standard message. Brought up multiple times
about communication regarding the senior center.
- Janet Roger: Miller Park is scheduled for workout equipment?
o Sarah Kindinger: We would have to revisit this park and funding
that we are given:
Janet Rogers: Points to area and asks if it could be a
butterfly garden.
o Sarah Kindinger: We would have to follow the guidelines
provided to us by the CDBG
End Public Comment
IV. Business:
a. John introduces Paige Gembarski, Senior Center Director:
- Paige Gembarski: Our Chef Tim Campbell has passed away
recently so we have been in transition to hire a new Chef, Erin
Koch, she resides here in Royal Oak. She has a culinary arts
background and worked in the schools and hospitals. She has
been on board for about a week but have reinstated meals on
Tuesday 2/4/19. Prices are the same
Commissioner Macey: Is it still going to be called Tim’s
Kitchen?
o Paige: That is a discussion we have been having,
he touched a lot of our hearts and we would like to
honor that but there also could unfair to the new
Chefs. Maybe make it a memorial for him. Possibly
be doing this.
Commissioner Macey: Is this a full-time job for the City?
o Paige: No this is a permanent part time job which
means she cannot exceed 1400 hours per year, 28
hours per week. 1-person kitchen which we rely
heavily on volunteers. Work heavily with Royal
Oak Schools, Berkely etc. When Tim was ill, we
were trying to gather a plan as a backup plan. We
reached out to local colleges and into their culinary
program and coordinate an internship with our
Chef. It would be a win win situation, students
would get credit for the internship and we would
get their assistance. Staff at the center is cross
trained in the kitchen. March 15th is the celebration
of life for Tim, posted flyers plugging away with our
regular classes and with all this weather we have
not closed our doors, we ran all the programs we
could have ran. We extended hours as a warming
center, staff stayed longer to help out the power
outage around the area. The center is open if
called for a warming center during regular hours
and it dictates by the hours that are dictated by
rental/class times. We do not have staff or are
trained to have the building open 7 days a week
from 8 am to 8 pm as an example.
Commissioner Macey: How is the building open with
regards to the weather, salt, snow removal etc.?
o A lot of coordination, DPS will check our lots and
try to help as best as can. Most of the time its DPS
against the weather.
Nicole McEachern: How many part timers do you have on
staff?
o Paige- get answers from Paige
Nicole McEachern: Are all instructors contracted?
o Paige- yes, all instructors and custodial is
contracted out. Wonderful group of part-timers.
Commissioner Macey: Roses people claim that there are
not enough Rose people to go around? Should we raise
more funds for the program?
o Paige: Over the course of 10 years we have seen
an issue with hiring and retaining the workers.
They get paid anywhere between $12-15/ hour.
Initially it was seniors helping seniors. Over the
years we have increased wages up $2/hour and
we have not received any more interest. We
cannot hire local companies because of the CDBG
funding. We have to use local people. The workers
develop a relationship with those who are
requesting help and find out they can get the
money from the side rather than go through the
ROSES program. In the meantime, the program is
where it is today, we cannot seem to retain the
workers. There are three tiers to the program,
initially a 3-hour service or 5 -7-hour service
regarding income and providing services to those
most needed. Snow is the most difficult because
they want it right then and there. Transportation is
rolling, we did get an increase from SMART we got
5 busses instead of 4.
Commissioner Macey: How is the need vs. the supply?
o Paige: Like anything else, we could always use
more but we get by. It is funded by community and
transportation credits. Like everything else, it
depends we try to put medical first.
Nicole McEachern: Are you able to use the SMART
busses for trips?
o Paige: Yes, as long as you remain inside the
county. We do partner and coordinate with
Pleasant Ridge and get their funding through
SMART and two trips per month from them.
Commissioner Macey: In terms of what you’re hearing
from people, what are you hearing about what people are
seeking/needs?
o Paige: the building is getting to the point where it is
not large enough. They would like to have a fitness
center/room here. Which is something in progress.
We are tapped out in space. There is not a lot of
area around us. Do not want to take away from the
parks. May move up/ create a second floor. My
wish would be to pick up Salter and combine the
two facilities.
Commissioner Macey: Have you been over to Salter?
o Paige: Most of it is all recreation and drop in
classes.
Commissioner Macey: Do you seek any communication
needs from the seniors/needing more communication for
the center?
o Paige: Not really, I feel the city provides a lot of
services to the City and communicates it well.
Would like to do more for ROSE but we are
strapped.
Commissioner Macey: We have tried to pass onto the
Commission to make the newsletter free instead of a
subscription.
o Paige: Would like to know the reason behind this.
We offer the monthly newsletter and the quarterly
insight. The monthly newsletter is easy to manager
and easy for the seniors to follow. We have under
100 people that subscribes to this and it is $8/year.
Majority of people who subscribe are not residents.
I don’t understand why we would be mailing this for
free when majority isn’t in the city and the insight is
shipped for free or you can pick one up for $.10,
and the reason why we charge because people
would just come in and take it.
Commissioner Macey: The reason is because the cost
would be $800 so it is fairly inexpensive.
Nicole McEachern: The reason there is a charge is, so
people don’t just grab them. If we made it free it would
add to staff time and development and could provide a
challenge to instituting this.
o Paige: Exactly, creates more stress on our staff to
produce and control it going out to all residents for
free.
Sarah Kindinger: Do you feel there is a gap between
communication?
o Paige: No, we feel we have reached everyone that
we can efficiently with what we provide. It is a hard
group to reach but you have to know when you get
inquiries how to answer their questions. We have
people that ask why haven’t I heard this building?
Well its been open for 30 years, and if they don’t
open the newsletter or insight what can you do?
We out of the task force need to figure out what
needs/areas need to be addressed of the 8 areas
because you cannot address all of them.
Commissioner Macey: I totally agree with what the task
force needs to do but it is not going to happen overnight.
In the meantime, do you think there needs to be some
incremental work to be done?
o Paige: No, we are going to see where things
progress, see where our kitchen goes, we are just
trying to get the meals out.
Nicole McEachern: How many meals per day?
o Paige: Try to do 40 but depends on the menu
could do anywhere between 40 – 75 meals. She
cooks from scratch like Tim did. We could do 100
but cannot do that with the provided hours. It is a
scratch kitchen.
Commissioner Macey: When you say you can do 100,
does that mean capacity of kitchen?
o Paige: Yes, we have the capacity, but the demand
isn’t there.
Nicole McEachern: The seniors look at the menus and go
wherever they feel like eating.
o Paige: we have to coordinate the dinner dance
with Shelby because we provide the same services
and cannot coincide with them.
b. Senior Task Force Update – Stephanie Comptos states that they are
the commission meeting to meet ADA requirements. Next meeting on
February 20, 2019.
c. Golf Course Report – Joe Spatafore:
John Fedele introduces General Manager of the Royal Oak Golf
Course, Joe Spatafore
- Joe: Given the report, we would like to see more of you out
there. The building is from 1960 that Joe and his management
has renovated. Suggests maybe incorporating funds for a new
golf building/senior center.
RFP went out for Golf Course Cart Path and Re-Pavement of the
parking lot. Been a process but will be moving towards it.
Hopefully break ground in April but that course is a swamp, cart
paths is a huge revenue boost for our Golf Course. This year
was one of the worst years we usually open in March and we
didn’t open until April and we are open as long as we can.
One of our big expenses is watering, we cannot water how we
are supposed to be watering. Our first year was about $120,000
and we are still climbing our way out of that hole. With the new
structure we will not be getting charged for sewer so now we can
improve our watering. Dug 5 wells at our own expense however
it is too salty - cannot use it.
Membership has gone up, golf is on pendulum swing it is hit or
miss. We did $18,000 on Groupon sales this past year. At one
time the only people that could use the course was Royal Oak
Residents. Now we have memberships, Royal Oak resident pay
a lower fee than non-residents.
Remodeling the kitchen, cooler from 1960 will be remodeled we
do sell beer and wine, we do have a full liquor license, but it is
not a big demand, so we haven’t really gotten into it. No issues
with the beer and wine.
o Commissioner Macey: Is there a timeline for the
RFP?
Joe: We had a pre-bid meeting, but the
timeline depends on the weather. It is a 10-
day project for the cart paths, parking lot will
be half and half. All in all, a 2-week project.
John: RFP will close right around the same
time as Normandy Oaks.
o Commissioner Macey: Would you like for the
building to be torn down?
Joe: It would make sense for the City; most
other local areas have done renovations.
We re-done the bathroom, put new tile in but
hurts because no one wants to stick around
and eat after playing.
d. Nominate replacement of Mark Ryan on Downtown Park Task Force:
- Tim motions to nominate Sarah Kindinger, Nicole moves, Macey
2nds: Unanimously passes.
e. Irish Hill’s Leprechaun’s – Memorial Park Field Renovation Proposal
John introduces Mark Sacket, President of Irish Hills Leprechauns and
Michigan Red Sox, Inc.
- John states that Mark had approached him into bringing his
team, the Irish Hills Leprechauns to the City of Royal Oak and
playing on Memorial Park Field #3.
John explains that the Irish Hill Leprechauns is a team made up
of college baseball players that are sent to play in leagues of
other teams made up of college players to increase playing time
and practice for the colleges they attend.
John states that Mark Sacket and his management group has
proposed a $350,000 - $380,000 renovation of Memorial Park
Field #3 to consist of replacing the current field with artificial turf,
make the existing dugouts bigger, create bullpens for both visitor
and home teams and provide temporary fencing for right field.
With these improvements the Irish Hill’s Leprechauns will work
with Royal Oak Sandlot League and John Fedele to coordinate a
game schedule for the 2020 season. Timeline for the
construction if approved by the appropriate means would be a
break ground in August with a completion in October 2019.
In conjunction with the renovations, the Irish Hill Leprechauns
will change its name to the Royal Oak Leprechauns and will offer
youth baseball camps for the ROSL teams and Royal Oak Area.
John states that the upgrades to Memorial Park Field #3 would
not only benefit ROSL but would benefit the City of Royal Oak as
well. The field would reduce the number of rainouts given in a
season, bring in more teams to the area and increase
participation in youth baseball and in activities throughout the
area.
o Sarah Kindinger: So, what is the total cost is it
$380,000 or $350,000?
Mark Sacket explains that there was an
adjustment made after the initial proposal
was sent out and the cost is closer to the
$350,000.
o Sarah Kindinger: Can you explain the profit share
chart please?
John states that looking at the chart, if the
Irish Hill’s Leprechauns fund 100% of the
renovations, then the profit share would be a
50/50 split only for the Memorial Park #3
rentals and so forth.
o Sarah Kindinger: Why Royal Oak and what is the
confidence in providing 100% of these funds?
Mark states that he grew up playing at
Memorial Park and would like to bring back
the team to the local area. The area is nicer
than the current city where they play, Adrian,
and wants to give back to the community.
Mark is very confident in providing 100% of
the funds. His management team has
already begun reaching out and gathering
funds but would need a solid answer from
the City in order to official receive the funds
from potential sponsors/donors.
o Sarah Kindinger: What is the timeline you would
need to have if the city were to help with the
funding?
Mark states that they would need to know by
June 2019.
Sarah Kindinger makes a motion to move this to the next phase of
approval process and pass this along to City Commissioners, 2nd by
Crystal Chow: Unanimously approved.
V. Items not on the Agenda:
- Tim Ciechorski: Question about shoveling sidewalks and what
the process is?
John states that he would have to inquire about this
particular question with Greg but believe it comes down to
a priority list, the amount of staff and competing with the
weather.
- Commissioner Macey: Suggest that the board and its members
get out in the community and make a presence in the City. And
have one event each year, lunch at the center, breakfast at the
center etc.
Crystal Chow suggest an event in March at the Senior
Center like coffee and bagels etc.
- John: Mentions that Tim had requested to host a meeting and
tour at the John Lindell Ice Arena.
Tim Ciechorski: States the meeting would begin at 6 pm
voluntarily for a tour, open to the public, and proceed with
the agenda meeting afterward. Recommends doing
meetings at other venues throughout the year.
VI. Upcoming Events
Friday, April 19 Marshmallow Drop at Worden Park.
April 27-28 Park Cleanup
Next Meeting: Thursday, March 7, 2019 at 7:00 p.m.
Adjourn: Sarah Kindinger makes a motion, Commissioner Macey 2nds: Unanimously
approved at 9:05 pm.
Respectfully Submitted, Approved,
John Fedele Paul Kanan
John Fedele, Superintendent of Recreation Paul Kanan, Secretary
Agenda
City of Royal Oak
Recreation Department
1600 North Campbell Road
Royal Oak, MI 48067
248-246-.3180
AGENDA
Parks, Recreation and Senior Services Advisory Board
Thursday February 7, 2019 – 7:00 p.m.
Leo Mahany / Harold Meininger Senior Community Center
Game Room
3500 Marais
Royal Oak, MI 48067
Meeting called to Order
I. Approval of Minutes – January 3, 2019
II. City Commission Comments
III. Public Comment
IV. Elections
V. Business
a. Senior Center Update - Paige Gembarski
b. Senior Task Force Update – Jeff Plachta
c. Golf Course Report- Joe Spatafore
d. Nominate replacement of Mark Ryan on Downtown Park Task Force
e. Irish Hill’s Leprechaun’s - Memorial Park Field Renovation Proposal
VI. Items not on the Agenda
VII. Upcoming Events
Next Meeting: Thursday, March 7, 2019
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