Parks and Recreation Advisory Board (Formerly Parks, Rec and Senior Services)
Regular MeetingRoyal Oak, MI · June 6, 2019
Minutes
City of Royal Oak
Recreation Department
1600 North Campbell Road
Royal Oak, MI 48067
248-246-.3180
Minutes
Parks, Recreation and Senior Services Advisory Board
Thursday, June 6 ,2019 at 7:30p.m.
Tour at 7:00 pm
Royal Oak Golf Course
3500 Marais Avenue
Royal Oak, MI 48067
Meeting called to Order 7:27 PM
Members Present: Sarah Kindinger, Tim Ciechorski, Maya Harris, Crystal
Chow, Commissioner Melanie Macey, Nicole McEachern, Ilene Orlanski,
Jeff Platcha
Also, Present: John Fedele, Superintendent of Recreation,
Members Absent: Paul Kanan, Greg Rassel, Director of Public Services
and Recreation
I. Approval of Minutes: Motion by Nicole McEachern second by Sarah
Kindinger passed unanimously
II. City Commission Comments: Budget will be going in front of the
commission for approval on June 10th. Everything that was requested by
the parks and recreation department has been approved. Added funding
to address the Senior Center Parking Lot. An item on the agenda was also
approved at the budget meeting which will be discussed further in detail
as it is on the agenda. Make recommendation to the city commission on
how the money can be spent.
Talk about the mowing and the tall grass going on throughout the city and
commission is aware of the situation and trying to find solutions, lighter
equipment, drain tile, more part timers, all of this is expensive, and the
high grass is a short-term problem.
Brings up letter from Lee Collick that was passed to the City Commission
and Parks and Recreation Advisory Board. We as a board can make a
recommendation to the City Commission on possible solutions. Problem is
spending a lot of money to spend for a short-term problem.
- Ilene Orlanski – can this extra $50,000 be spent on Seniors?
o Commissioner Macey responds yes it can be used for
anything at this board’s discretion.
III. Public Comment:
- Bob Luxon – concern is the golf course stays upkept, before this
group took over the previous group did not take care of the course.
When sold Normandy, the promise was to spend money at the
course to upgrade and we still haven’t seen anything regarding
improvements/upgrades i.e. the netting, parking lot, cart paths.
Another big concern, grass doesn’t look good over at Normandy
and at the parks. My concern is that there are not enough people
until the temps get out of school for the summer. Memorial Park
seems to be maintained well. Thinks City can do a little more to
make the parks more presentable.
- Tony Snow – previously worked at the golf course, three issues: 1.)
Cart paths can’t play golf with all the rain that we have had
especially without cart paths. Joe does a good job but has been
handcuffed without the cart paths. 2.) Big issue here is watering the
fairways, Joe does not have enough money to water the fairways.
Talked to Birmingham Golf Course and said they use wells and not
City water. City water is too expensive. Joe needs help on water. 3.)
The bathrooms are from the 1940’s would like for the board
members to go into the bathrooms and we should have a nice golf
course. The City promised the golf course $700K and they haven’t
gotten a penny yet.
- Gail- agree with comments from Tony Snow, 5 of us from the
lady’s golf league should be golfing tonight because carts cannot be
used today. It is important the paths get put in right away.
- Sue Weston – need another bathroom (porta-john). There is already
one out in the holes, and one at the clubhouse.
- Gary – not a royal oak resident but long-time player at the golf
course. Pains me to see a golf course like Normandy Oaks go to the
waste. Closed Normandy because it didn’t get enough play on it,
problem is because it wasn’t managed. If the City wants to close
this golf course, stay on the path you’re on. Where did the $700K
go that was promised to this course?
- Joe Spatafore – Since 2007, $7,000 been put into the building for an
AC unit. We did drill 5 wells at cost of management company with
an agreement that they would not pay rent for a specified term.
Some wells were dry some wells were good, problem is, water was
too salty and cannot be used to irrigate the course. The issue with
the water is the sewage we pay on the water not the actual cost of
the water. If we had the cart paths in and drainage it would help a
lot. Southfield re did golf course and club house, Red Oaks same
thing Birmingham same thing, this is what the course looked like
back in 1961. Sooner or later must do something otherwise the
course will be gone.
- Linda Tumalough – 1.) Part of parks and recreation was a water
aerobics class held at the middle school pool. Evidentially, there
was a disagreement between the instructor and was let go and
nothing has been done to find a new instructor and request to find
more information on this. Instructor was let go a little over a year
ago. 2.) Senior Center Task Force focus group, attended every
single session more scribes and facilitators there, thinks several of
the focus groups should be held at different locations. Extreme
parking problem at the one at Barton Towers. Focus group attended
well from people that live in the building, doesn’t seem like a good
participation from those outsides from Barton Towers.
- Rick Vincent – concern is those that are on the Parks and Rec
Board can put in a good word to the other commissioners regarding
the $700K towards the golf course in the next year but also need to
have a yearly plan.
- Janice Wagman – Wi-Fi at the senior center problem? Would like
to see more senior issues on the agenda, for instance would like to
invite the Oakland County Senior Board. Tons of information for
them to share regarding medical information, senior services etc.
invite them please. Proactive thinking regarding senior services.
Budget, did not see anything regarding sub-contracting out to help
with mowing of the parks etc. The city should realize not
everything should be a money maker.
End Public Comment
IV. Business:
a. Commission Granted $50,000 to Parks and Recreation for unplanned
park expenses/improvements:
b. Royal Oak Golf Course Netting:
- John statement recommends the next meeting for July 11th to
bring the Fairway Condominium to discuss the netting issue.
Motion by Paul Kanan to change meeting from normal meeting
date to July 11th at 7pm senior center, second by Sarah, passed
unanimously.
c. Normandy Oaks Update:
- John - Statement from contractor has the project to still be
finished on time. As of right now it is still to wet to begin
construction.
V. Items not on the Agenda:
Jeff Plachta – need to have a senior task force item on the agenda every
month, did have challenges of getting the word out but we did have forums
and concerns that we did not get a good demographic of participants. Next
step start compiling the information. Next meeting is June 13th at the
Senior Center at 6 pm.
Commissioner Macey: Don Johnson, City Manager has announced his
retirement June 30th. There will be a discussion on Monday about
regarding a search and we will stay on while the search goes on.
Paul Kanan- have staff present a budget to the board.
VI. Upcoming Events
Rock N’ Rides: June 20th – June 23rd
Outdoor Art Fair: July 6th – 7th
Dream Cruise: August 16th – 17th
Whittier Park Pickleball Tournament August 23rd – 25th
Next Meeting: Thursday July 11, 2019 at 7:00 p.m.
Adjourn: Motion moved by Ilene Orlanski, 2nd by Nicole McEachern unanimously
approved at 8:37 pm
Respectfully Submitted, Approved,
John Fedele Paul Kanan
John Fedele, Superintendent of Recreation Paul Kanan, Secretary
Agenda
City of Royal Oak
Recreation Department
1600 North Campbell Road
Royal Oak, MI 48067
248-246-.3180
AGENDA
Parks, Recreation and Senior Services Advisory Board
Thursday June 6, 2019.
Royal Oak Golf Course
3417 Don Soper Drive
Royal Oak, MI 48073
7:00 pm – Tour Facility
7:30 pm – Meeting (in Lobby)
Meeting called to Order
I. Approval of Minutes – May 2, 2019
II. City Commission Comments
III. Public Comment
IV. Business
a. Commission granted $50,000 to Parks and Recreation for unplanned park
Expenses/improvements
b. Royal Oak Golf Course Netting
c. Normandy Oaks Update
V. Items not on the Agenda
VI. Upcoming Events
Rock N’ Rides: June 20th – June 23rd
Outdoor Art Fair: July 6th – 7th
Dream Cruise: August 16th - 17th
Whittier Park Pickleball Tournament: August 23rd – 25th
Next Meeting: September 5, 2019
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