Historical Commission
Regular MeetingSalem, MA · November 6, 2019
Minutes
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SALEM HISTORICAL COMMISSION
MINUTES
November 6th, 2019
A meeting of the Salem Historical Commission was held on Wednesday, November 6th, 2019 at 7:00 pm at
98 Washington Street, Salem, MA. Present were Larry Spang, David Hart, Rebecca English, Reed Cutting,
Mark Pattison, Erin Schaeffer, Stacey Norkum, Vijay Joyce and Milo Martinez.
4 Carpenter Street
David and Heidi Guarino submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness for paint colors.
Documents & Exhibits
▪ Application: 10/21/19
▪ Photographs & Paint chips
David Guarino was present
Mr. Guarino presented the project for new paint colors and stated that the project would be completed by
Osgood painters. He explained that the main body of the house would be painted in “Newburyport blue”
which is applicable to historic homes. The trim would be “Winter Snow”, the front door Benjamin Moore
“Caliente” and the porch ceiling “Greenhow Blu”. Ms. Norkum asked if the shutter color would remain
black. Mr. Guarino said yes. Mr. Pattison asked about other colors of houses in the area, he said he found a
similar color house at 16 Kosciusko Street.
There was no public comment.
Ms. Schafer asked what color the banisters and stairs would be, and Mr. Guarino answered they would
remain the same. Mr. Martinez asked if the shutters were painted recently, and Mr. Guarino said no, but he
realized that the shutters paint should be in the scope of work and they would be painted black.
VOTE: Mr. Cutting made a motion to approve the application as presented with the caveat that the shutters
and window sash to remain as existing or painted a satin black finish. Ms. Norkum seconded the motion.
All were in favor and the motion so carried.
20 Beckford Street
Kirstin and Paul Bunker submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness for new gutters and
downspouts.
Documents & Exhibits
▪ Application: 09/20/19
▪ Photographs & Gutter specifications
Kirstin Bunker was present.
Mr. Hart excused himself as an abutter.
Ms. Bunker presented the application to fix the existing gutters and add a gutter to the back side.
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Mr. Spang asked about the location of the existing gutters. Ms. Bunker explained the gutters are all over the
house except the back side. Mr. Spang asked what material the existing gutters are and would they be
replaced in kind. Ms. Bunker replied yes and that they are currently a combination of plastic and aluminum.
Ms. Kelleher noted that the current downspouts are aluminum and are painted to match the house color.
Ms. Bunker said they would need two more downspouts. Ms. Norkun asked if the downspouts would pour
water out on the sidewalk. Ms. Bunker replied that she was not sure.
Mr. Pattison asked where the water from the downspout at the back corner of the house releases and if the
owners have had any water issues in the past. Ms. Bunker replied no, but that she assumes she will have
problems in the future if they do not replace the deteriorated gutters and downspouts.
Ms. Norkun expressed her opinion that if the Commission was going to approve a new downspout on the
rear of the building, it should replicate the location of the downspout on the façade on corner board. Mr.
Pattison expressed his opinion that aluminum gutters were not appropriate for historic homes
There was no public comment.
VOTE: Mr. Martinez made a motion to approve the in-kind replacement of existing aluminum gutters and
downspouts to be painted to match the existing and to install a new aluminum gutter with two downspouts
on rear (north) elevation. Downspout on NW corner to be installed behind fence and adjacent to
cornerboard. All to be painted to match existing paint color. Mr. Cutting seconded the motion. Seven
members were in favor and one member (Mr. Pattison) was opposed. The motion so carried.
9 Cambridge Street
Andrea and Colin Grant submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness for architectural roof
shingles.
Documents & Exhibits
▪ Application: 10/22/19
▪ Photographs & Shingle sample
Andrea and Colin Grant were present.
Mr. Grant presented the application to re-shingle the asphalt roof with an architectural shingle. His
contractor strongly recommended the architectural shingle due to the presence of a large poplar tree next to
the house which is causing lichen to grow on the roof. He presented a sample of the shingle and said this
was a low contrast that would blend in with the neighborhood.
Mr. Spang asked if any additional work was being done. Mr. Grant replied that the trim along the roof line
was going to be replaced as part of the project.
Ms. Kelleher reminded the Commission that the owners recently received approval to replace the gutters
with fiberglass.
Mr. Hart asked what type of shingle was proposed. Mr. Grant replied that the contractor recommended 3tab
shingles “CertainTeed Landmark Pro” in a charcoal black. Mr. Pattison asked if he were sure the shingles
were actually 3tab. Ms. Norkun noted that the Commission did not approve this type of shingle because of
the angled cut. She stated that the straight-edge Slateline shingle was more appropriate but noted that the
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Commission should consider other products that may be available. Mr. Hart agreed, stating that he did not
like the angled finish and much preferred the straight line. Mr. Grant said the angle cut helps with the
water run-off. He noted that the owner of 6 Cambridge Street had recently received approved for the same
architectural shingle that he is proposing. Ms. Kelleher reported that this was the case.
Mr. Spang asked for public comment.
Ms. Herbert asked for a list of shingles approved by the Commission. Ms. Kelleher reported that the
Commission has approved three types of architectural shingles, but two models are no longer being
manufactured. She also noted that there are composite shingles available that look similar to wood and slate
shingles, noting that the Commission approved a composite wood shingle on Federal Street approximately
one year ago as a test case to see how they would hold up.
Mr. Spang asked when they plan on doing the work. Mr. Grant said next Spring, he said he thought the
Highland slate was the closest to the Certainteed. Mr. Pattison expressed concern that due to the height of
this building’s gambrel roof, the roof shingles will be very visible. Mr. Spang suggested the Board go out
and look at examples of houses. Ms. Herbert said that past approvals were based on visibility. Mr. Spang
suggested a site visit and Ms. Schafer suggested more time to research on different products.
VOTE: Mr. Reed made a motion to continue to the December 4th meeting. Mr. Hart seconded, all were in
favor and the motion so carried.
6 Federal Court - continuation
In a continuation from a previous public hearing, Federal Court Realty Trust submitted an application for a
Certificate of Hardship to demolish a carriage house.
Documents & Exhibits
▪ Application: 8/5/19
▪ Photographs
▪ Engineers Report
Mary Richards and Attorney John Fitzpatrick were present.
Mr. Hart recused himself as an abutter.
Ms. Kelleher provided an update on the project. She reported that Commissioners Martinez, Joyce and
Norkun attended a site visit with a representative from the North Bennet Street School at the property to
view the building’s condition. She noted that they were able to view the inside of the building through an
opened door. The North Bennet Street School representative stated that there was a significant amount of
damage to the structure and felt that it was not an exceptional example of a carriage house design. He stated
that he felt it was not structurally sound and there was not a lot that could be salvaged. Ms. Kelleher noted
that Attorney Fitzpatrick distributed a flyer to garner interest in the building.
Mr. Martinez reported that it was too precarious for the attendees to walk around inside but they were able
to see a significant amount of damage, the roof framing had collapsed and sunlight was visible through the
roof and walls. Ms. Norkun agreed stating that due to the lack of a roof, the weather had created significant
damage to the floor. She said the foundation is impressive, the four walls appeared to be in good condition,
but the presence of a cable system was likely keeping the building from caving in. Mr. Fitzpatrick noted
that the cable system was completed by a City-hired engineer as part of previous litigation. Ms. Norkun
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said it was difficult to determine if the building could stand by itself without the cables. Ms. Norkum
disagreed with the representative on his opinion that the building was an unremarkable stick frame carriage
barn. Ms. Kelleher stated that it is one of a few remaining carriage houses in Salem and it is historically
significant. Mr. Spang asked if it were a single span roof and Mr. Martinez replied that he believed it was.
Mr. Joyce stated that it looks like there was space for a second floor and there may have been posts.
Mr. Cutting asked if Commission members felt that in its current condition, the building should be
demolished. Mr. Spang asked if there were anything salvageable. Mr. Martinez replied that maybe the
corbels and the foundation stones. Mr. Spang said he thought the North Bennet Rep had mentioned that
some items could be salvaged. Attorney Fitzpatrick stated that the structure was dangerous, which was
expressed by neighbors at the last meeting who recommended it be demolished due to safety concerns.
Mr. Spang asked for public comments.
Ms. Herbert said that the pictures from the site visit highlighted the building’s condition and that there was
little hope for saving it. Ms. Kelleher noted that the building would likely not qualify for historic tax credits
since the majority of the building needed to be replaced.
Andrew Carr, River Street, stated that he had dreamed of fixing up the carriage house and had reached out
to the owner in the past. He read a letter he sent to the owner asking her to consider selling it. He said two
months later the roof collapsed. He said he hoped that there would be some preventative measures taken to
ensure this does not happen again.
Ms. Herbert suggested that the Commission address landscaping of the lot after the building is removed.
Mr. Joyce said that the building is dangerous, but it is upsetting that the building will be lost. Ms. Norkun
asked if the applicant would keep the foundation exposed and fill in the hole. Ms. Richards said she would
do the landscaping and would recreate a vegetable and flower garden that was once located around the
barn. Mr. Spang noted that moving the building was not possible and to restore it would require it to be
rebuild from the ground up. He recommended salvaging what was possible and documenting the building.
Ms. Norkun reported that she spoke with American Steeple who was interested in viewing it, and she
would be more comfortable having them take a look. She said the Commission needs to do due diligence
to try to save the barn. Attorney Fitzpatrick asked what would happen if American Steeple says it can be
rebuilt and engineer says it must come down and a preservation specialist says it must come down. Where
does that leave us? He said given the safety concerns, he believed that the engineers opinion should take
precedence. Mr. Martinez agreed with Ms. Norkun that the Commission needs to do due diligence before
approving the demolition. He suggested that a surveyor complete drawings of the building so that it can be
rebuilt in the future. Attorney Fitzpatrick said he would confer with the trustees and get back to Ms.
Kelleher.
Ms. Schaeffer stated that she would like a structural engineer to provide a recommendation on how to
stabilize the foundation.
Mr. Jenkins, Historic Salem, Inc., expressed his concern that the building was an example of demolition by
neglect. He asked the Commission to consider ways to make sure this situation does not happen again. Mr.
Spang agreed.
Ms. Jane Arlander, an abutter asked the Commission to take a vote tonight because of safety and there are
rodents.
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Mr. Christian Bleidt of 4 Federal Court urged the Commission to approve the demolition for safety
concerns.
Mr. Spang asked the Commission members if they were ready to vote on the request. Mr. Pattison said that
he felt a survey needed to be completed. Ms. Norkun agreed that someone should survey the building. Ms.
Shaeffer expressed her opinion that the building cannot be salvaged, and a full reconstruction would be
required. She stated that she is comfortable with making a decision to demolish the building and have an
evaluation of the building done with the saving the corbels etc. Mr. Cutting agreed. Attorney Fitzpatrick
asked the Commission to consider the anxiety of the neighbors and the lack of action.
Mr. Spang said that the Commission appeared divided on the decision. The outstanding issues were getting
photos, drawings and determining whether a fence should be put up before the removal of the building. Mr.
Pattison asked if there was a plan for removal. Ms. Richards said that a contractor was in place to do the
work. Ms. Schaeffer also asked for demolition and landscape plans and recommended keeping the
foundation if possible. Attorney Fitzpatrick asked about the specific items to be kept and whether a
landscaper should evaluate the foundation. Ms. Schaeffer replied that a mason should evaluate the
foundation. Mr. Pattison stated that if the basement was filled in, the footprint of the foundation could be
saved. Attorney Fitzpatrick stated that this may pose a delay in the removal. Ms. Schaeffer said that it
could be incorporated into the demolition. Attorney Fitzpatrick expressed concern about the landscape plan
and whether it would cause a delay. He stated that he would work with Ms. Kelleher to clarify any
outstanding items. Ms. Kelleher said that typically the Commission requires documentation of a building to
be submitted prior to demolition and she could work with the City Solicitor to get an agreement in writing
that these plans be provided. Attorney Fitzpatrick said that he would reach out to the solicitor and report
back in two weeks, for the Board to approve. He said he has 4 days of Army duty, and he will be returning
on the 20th to present the report.
Mr. Spang said that a lot of the information already exists, and the City Solicitor will provide the wording.
Ms. Kelleher said there are some files on this project.
VOTE: Mr. Cutting made a motion to continue until November 20th, Mr. Joyce seconded the motion. All
were in favor and the motion so carried.
337 Essex Street - continuation
In a continuation of a previous public hearing, the Proprietors of the Salem Athenaeum submitted an
application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to replace signage.
Mr. Spang reported that the applicant a continuation until November 20th and asked for a motion to
continue.
VOTE: Mr. Cutting made a motion to continue, Ms. Norkum seconded the motion. All were in favor and
the motion so carried.
12 Mall Street - continuation
In a continuation from a previous meeting, North Ventures Inc. submitted an application for a Waiver of
the Demolition Delay Ordinance to demolish a house.
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Documents & Exhibits
▪ Application: 10/21/19
▪ Photographs & Engineer report – Webb Structural Services, Inc.
David Potter and Jessica Herbert were present.
Ms. Herbert reported that Mr. Joyce, Mr. Martinez, Mr. Hart and Mr. Pattison did a site visit at the
property. Mr. Hart reviewed the engineer’s report that stated the foundation was rotted and in very poor
condition. Mr. Hart said he did not believe it as severe as what the structural engineer had stated. Mr.
Pattison said the post and beam structure is in good condition, the sills need work but that can be easily
remedied. He said it’s a nice structure but there is no going back and he believed that the owner did not
know what he was getting into with an antique home. Mr. Potter said there was nothing historic left
existing in the home before he bought it, everything had been replaced with vinyl and that it had been
converted into a multi-family home. He said he had talked with an engineer and had wanted to save the
house, he was hoping to have the floorboards salvaged and the hoped to save the posts and beams, but the
engineer said they were all undersized for the lode needed. He said the rot was on the outside inside the
vinyl siding. The previous owners replaced all the windows and took the original casings out, his idea was
to keep most of the structure. The problem was that the 3rd floor is unwalkable and the engineer’s opinion
was that it was structurally impractical to reuse any section of the buildings frame. Mr. Pattison stated that
this was how old homes were built and this house is a sound version of a Greek Revival style home. Mr.
Potter said the engineer’s report said there was no way to add anything on the 3rd floor.
The second floor is 7 feet and the first floor is 8 feet. Mr. Hart said many houses in Salem have the same
structure. Mr. Martinez said the floor joists look really good on the 3rd floor.
Mr. Spang asked about the chimney stacks and fireplaces. Mr. Martinez said the fireplaces look solid, and
from what he could see of the chimney stacks they were in good shape too. Mr. Spang said the existing
windows and interiors were redone in the last 50 years. There is now nothing left but the framing and two
chimneys. Mr. Potter said he would love to renovate the existing building, but he needs an engineer to sign
off on the building in order to sell it. Mr. Hart asked what he meant by a sign off, owner said an engineer
needs to sign off that the building is structurally sound. Mr. Joyce asked if he was familiar with the
provision for historical homes, in that even if you were to alter the home to repair it is still exempt from the
building code. He went on to say that the building inspector shall be authorized to accept the floors as
constructed. Mr. Potter replied that he had spoken with the Building Inspector and he said he could not
sign off on it. Mr. Martinez said he felt someone that is well versed with historic structures is worth
speaking to for a second opinion. Mr. Spang asked if the building were demolished and rebuilt what height
would the new structure be. The owner said he would need 8 feet. Mr. Spang asked the Board what it
hoped to preserve, the framing or the floor to floor height or the chimneys. Mr. Joyce said that Salem is
full of these types of houses in scale and he would like to protect the building’s scale as part of the historic
streetscape. Ms. Schaeffer agreed, she said the chimney is located on the outside and is important to keep.
Mr. Spang asked for comments from the Board members who visited the site. Mr. Martinez explained his
report (a slide show) he provided photos of the floors and felt that it was in really good shape, he saw no
rot, the posts that span to the 3rd floor were solid with maybe some shoring up required. Mr. Potter said
there was only
Ms. Kerry Murphy, 10½ Mall Street, asked the owner how the building will be secured now that it is open
to the elements. She stated that it is a safety concern.
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Carline Watsofelt, resident and Historic Salem, Inc. member asked how the Commission usually handles
this type of request to waive the demolition delay after much of the building has already been demolished.
Ms. Schaeffer replied that the Commission is considering strengthening the demolition delay regulations
and can work more closely with the Building Inspector.
Mr. Joyce recommended the owner seek a second engineer report and to secure the building.
VOTE: Mr. Hart made a motion to continue until the November 20, 2019 meeting. Mr. Joyce seconded the
motion. All were in favor and the motion so carried.
Request for temporary marker to commemorate Boston Tea Party participant buried in Broad Street
Cemetery
Ms. Kelleher presented the request to install a temporary marker at Broad Street Cemetery to commemorate
a resident who participated in the Boston Tea Party.
The Commission was supportive of the concept but agreed that the final approval should be made by the
Cemetery Commission. The Commission voted to approve sending a letter of support.
Request to install permanent plaque in Broad Street Cemetery for Colonel Pickering Tomb
Linda Jenkins of the Pickering Foundation presented the bronze plaque to be installed at the Pickering
Tomb on behalf of the Daughters of American Revolution (DAR). The Commission asked how it would be
installed – in the ground or on the tomb. Ms. Schaeffer expressed concerns about potential impacts of both
installations. Ms. Jenkins replied that she was not sure about the installation process. The Commission
agreed that this request should be made to the Cemetery Commission and they would submit a letter of
support.
Request for new sign to commemorate cemetery on the site of the former Almshouse and Hospital for
Contagious Diseases on Collins Cove
Jennifer Ratliff presented the proposal to install a commemorative sign to mark the site of the Almshouse
cemetery on Collins Cove. She provided a history of the Almshouse and Hospital for Contagious Diseases
and it associated burial ground.
Donna Seger, Salem State University, spoke in support of Ms. Ratliff’s efforts to recognize this forgotten
site.
Timothy Jenkins, Historic Salem, Inc. also spoke in support.
The Commission agreed that final approval should be made by the Cemetery Commission but agreed to
submit a letter of support for the project.
Respectfully submitted,
Patti Kelleher
Preservation Planner
Agenda
Salem Historical Commission
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Agenda - REVISED
SALEM HISTORICAL COMMISSION
WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 6, 2019
7:00 P.M.
98 WASHINGTON STREET, 1st FLOOR CONFERENCE ROOM
1. 4 Carpenter Street – David and Heidi Guarino – Certificate of Appropriateness – Paint colors.
2. 20 Beckford Street – Kirstin and Paul Bunker – Certificate of Appropriateness – Gutters and downspouts
3. 9 Cambridge Street – Andrea and Colin Grant – Certificate of Appropriateness – Architectural roof shingles
4. 6 Federal Court – Federal Court Realty Trust - Certificate of Hardship – Demolish carriage house - continuation
5. 337 Essex Street – Proprietors of the Salem Athenaeum – Certificate of Appropriateness – Replace sign - continuation
6. 12 Mall Street – North Ventures Inc. – Waiver of the Demolition Delay Ordinance – Demolish house – continuation
7. Request for temporary marker to commemorate Boston Tea Party participant buried in Broad Street Cemetery
8. Request to install commemorative plaque in Broad Street Cemetery for Colonel Pickering tomb
9. Request for new sign to commemorate cemetery on the site of the former Almshouse and Hospital for Contagious
Diseases on Collins Cove
10. Other Business
a. Minutes
b. Violations
c. Correspondence
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City Ordinance Sections 2-2028 through 2-2033
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