Historical Commission
Regular MeetingSalem, MA · December 4, 2019
Minutes
December 4, 2019, Page 1 of 9
SALEM HISTORICAL COMMISSION
MINUTES
December 4, 2019
A meeting of the Salem Historical Commission was held on Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 7:00 pm at 98
Washington Street, Salem, MA, 1st Floor Conference Room. Present were: Reed Cutting (Acting Chair), Larry
Spang (Chair), Rebecca English, Vijay Joyce, Milo Martinez and Stacey Norkun.
6 Federal Court - CONTINUATION
In a continuation from a previous public hearing, the Commission heard the request from Federal Court Realty
Trust for a Certificate of Hardship to demolish a carriage barn
Documents & Exhibits
▪ Application: 8/5/19
▪ Photographs
Mary Richard and Attorney John Fitzpatrick were present.
Ms. Kelleher and Attorney Fitzpatrick discussed conversations with the City Solicitor on the language for the
Commission’s conditions on the Certificate of Hardship to demolish the carriage barn. Ms. Kelleher reviewed the
conditions: salvage material; preserve foundation as part of landscape plan; and work with neighbors on need for
boundary fencing. Additional items (landscape plan, building documentation, were submitted at the last meeting.
The Commission discussed salvaging building materials from the barn prior to demolition. The Commission agreed
that the cornice corbels should be salvaged. Ms. Norkun suggested that the wide vertical sheathing boards appear to
be in good condition and should be saved. Mr. Joyce also suggested that the doors be salvaged as well. Attorney
Fitzpatrick recommended that the Applicant be allowed to exercise reasonable judgement on what material can be
salvaged. The Commission agreed.
The Commission agreed that they could provisionally issue the certificate subject to approval by City Solicitor and
Applicant’s counsel of final language. If agreement on the language is not made within 30 days, then Applicant will
return to Commission’s first meeting in January.
Public comment: No one in the assembly wished to speak.
VOTE: Mr. Joyce made a motion to issue the Certificate of Hardship to allow the demolition of the carriage house
with a provision that if certificate language is not approved by City Solicitor and Applicant’s counsel, the Applicant
will return the Commission at its January 15th meeting. Ms. English seconded the motion. Four members were in
favor and one was opposed (Ms. Norkun). The motion so carried.
9 Cambridge Street - CONTINUATION
In a continuation from a previous public hearing, the Commission heard the request from Andrea and Colin Grant
for a Certificate of Appropriateness for an architectural shingle roof.
Documents & Exhibits
▪ Application: 10/23/19
▪ Photographs
Andrea and Colin Grant were present to discuss the project.
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Mr. Grant reiterated their request to apply an architectural shingle instead of a GAF Slateline “designer” shingle.
Mr. Grant stated that the building’s location to a nearby tree. The architectural shingle will inhibit lichen growth
and would have a greater longevity. Ms. Kelleher reported that her research indicated that the longevity and wind
strength of the architectural and designer shingles is the same, but the costs are different. Mr. Grant noted the
following: Slateline Designer shingles are $62 bundle, 3 bundles per square; architectural shingles are $35-37 a
bundle; and three-tab shingles are $32 for 3-tab. The construction is different; designer shingles are constructed
similar to a 3-tab but are thicker. Architectural shingles have two layers and are constructed of fiberglass and
asphalt.
Ms. Norkun stated that she has begun researching other roofing options. There is a metal roofing that mimics wood
shingle roofs, which is highly rated.
Ms. Kelleher noted that most of the straight cut shingles have been discounted.
Mr. Martinez noted that there is a Certainteed Highland Slate that may be appropriate, but the Commission has not
yet received an application for this shingle. Mr. Cutting asked about the shading color. Ms. Kelleher replied that the
Commission has not yet discussed the variation of color for shingles and has instead discussed the angled, 3-
dimensional appearance.
The Commission discussed previous approval of architectural shingles in the historic districts. Ms. Kelleher noted
that the City will be submitting a grant application to update the Commission’s Guidelines.
Mr. Joyce noted that the Commission has approved architectural shingles with extenuating circumstances, including
height of roof, setback from the street, and pitch of roof that limits visibility of shingle.
Ms. Grant noted that the Nantucket Historical Commission approves architectural shingles with specific colors. Ms.
Kelleher noted that she had researched other historical commission and the appropriateness of architectural shingles
varies.
Ms. Kelleher noted that composite shingles have been approved in the district. Mr. and Ms. Grant responded that
they were not interested as they are double the cost and do not have a good rating.
Public comment: No one in the assembly wished to speak.
VOTE: Mr. Martinez made a motion to continue the application to the Commission’s January 15, 2020 meeting.
Ms. English seconded the motion. All were in favor and the motion so carried.
Mr. Spang arrived at this time
19 Flint Street - CONTINUATION
In a continuation from a previous public hearing, the Commission heard the request from Lenney Trust for a
Certificate of Appropriateness for an architectural shingle roof.
Documents & Exhibits
▪ Application: 11/5/19
▪ Photographs
Mary Pax Lenney was present to discuss the project.
Ms. Lenney presented a photograph of the roof slope documenting that this section of the roof has asphalt shingles.
She stated that she researched the cost of GAF Slateline since this was the Commission’s preference. She asked if
the Commission might consider a less expensive option based on the conversation of the previous application.
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The Commission discussed the limited visibility of the roof slope from a public way.
Ms. Kelleher suggested that the color of the new shingle may be more important than the shape of the shingle.
Public comment: No one in the assembly wished to speak.
The Commission agreed that the applicant should continue and return with a proposed color of shingle and a
sample piece of slate.
VOTE: Mr. Cutting made a motion to continue the application to the Commission’s February 5, 2020 meeting.
Mr. Joyce seconded the motion. All were in favor and the motion so carried.
5 Botts Court - CONTINUATION
In a continuation from a previous public hearing, the Commission heard the request from Brendan Collins and
Caroline Crandall for a Certificate of Appropriateness to remove a chimney.
Documents & Exhibits
▪ Application: 11/5/19
▪ Photographs
Brendan Collins and Caroline Crandall were present to discuss the project.
Mr. Collins presented a review of the application, noting that the property’s inventory form stated that only one
chimney was present in 1968 when the form was completed. Ms. Kelleher noted that the inventory form describes
the changes that have been made to the house, including early 20th century changes to the roofline, removal of the
center chimney. He also presented quotes to replace ($10,000) and to remove the chimney.
Public comment:
Amy Miller, 8 Botts Court expressed her support for the request, noting that the chimney to be removed was not
highly visible unless specifically looking.
Ms. Kelleher presented three additional letters of support from Louis and Vicki Sirianni, 6 Botts Court, Lawrence
Frej, 9 Botts Court, and Alex Marks, 7 Botts Court.
Ms. Norkun asked how the roof will be patched. Mr. Collins replied that there were leftover shingles from a
previous roofing project that will be used to match. The Commission agreed that the rear roof slope is not visible.
Mr. Collins noted that the chimney stack does not serve a firebox and appears to be a later addition. Mr. Spang
asked if it serves a furnace and if so, how will the furnace be vented. Mr. Collins replied that the furnace will be
vented out the rear of the house.
Mr. Martinez reported that he was present on the site visit and the interior floorboards indicate that both chimneys
appears to have been built at the same time. He noted that the 1968 inventory form was completed by a volunteer,
who was responsible for simply completing a checklist on the building and may have missed the second chimney.
Ms. Kelleher added that later inventory forms were completed by professionals who provided an in-depth
architectural description. Mr. Martinez presented photographs taken during the site visit.
VOTE: Mr. Cutting made a motion to approve the application as presented with the condition that the roof be
patched to match existing shingles and noting that the view of the subject chimney is de minimis from a public way
and the chimney is not original to building. Mr. Joyce seconded the motion. Five members were in favor and one
was opposed (Mr. Martinez). The motion so carried.
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8 Chestnut Street
Leo and Wendy Kraunelis submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness to construct a new shed addition.
Documents & Exhibits
▪ Application: 11/5/19
▪ Photographs
Leo and Wendy Kraunelis were present to discuss the project.
Mr. and Ms. Kraunelis provided a recap of the damage caused to the building from a tree that fell during a wind
storm. Ms. Kelleher noted that the applicants had submitted this application, but it was not notified for the previous
meeting.
Mr. Kraunelis presented the request to add a 12’ x 10’ x 8’ tall addition for storage. The addition would be custom
built and not a kit and would have a hip roof similar to main building. He presented three options for door with
preference for door with square lights. Commission agreed, noting that the door would have limited visibility
through the adjacent park. The addition would also be visible only down the long driveway and through vegetation
in the park.
The Commission discussed the existing door on the west elevation of the addition. The door may have once
provided access to an unheated storage area, but the addition is now residential, and the door no longer functions.
The Commission discussed the pitch and height of the roofline. Ms. Norkun asked if the existing window will be
retained. Mr. Kraunelis replied that the addition will cover the window but would not extend the full length of the
wall.
Mr. Joyce asked if the cornerboard on the existing addition would be removed, if the gutters would match and the
roof overhang. Mr. Kraunelis stated that the cornerboard would be retained and the addition would be setback. New
gutters would be copper to match existing. The roof overhang would match existing; the drawing does not
correspond to actual overhang.
Public comment: No one in the assembly wished to speak.
Ms. Norkun recommended that final construction drawings be submitted to the Commission for approval since the
current drawings are more concept than actual construction details.
Mr. Martinez and Mr. Joyce asked if a gable roof would be more appropriate than a hip roof. Mr. Kraunelis replied
that the building has a variety of roof shapes and the hip matches the rear addition.
VOTE: Ms. Norkun made a motion to approve the application as presented with the requirement that final
drawings with dimensions and materials specified be submitted for final approval by Commissioners Spang and
Norkun. Mr. Cutting seconded the motion. All were in favor and the motion so carried.
374 Essex Street
James Sullivan and Emma Hamilton submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to renovate a
carriage barn.
Documents & Exhibits
▪ Application: 11/18/19
▪ Drawings by Seger Architects dated October 28, 2019
▪ Photographs
Dan Ricciarelli of Seger Architects was present to discuss the project.
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Mr. Ricciarelli presented the plans to restore the carriage barn, noting that the project has applied for historic tax
credits. The Commission discussed the proposal to change the existing barn door. Mr. Spang asked if the large pane
of glass would appear out of place for the district. Mr. Ricciarelli noted that the door would be renovated with an
exterior panel of glass similar to changes made on a barn door on a building on Webster Street that also received
historic tax credits. Mr. Spang suggested that a multi-light glass panel be considered since the barn door would
likely be open much of the time and the large single glass would serve as a window. Other Commission members
stated that they did not have concerns about the design. Mr. Ricciarelli stated that he could reach out to the Park
Service and Massachusetts Historical Commission to see if they had concerns with the single light window.
Mr. Joyce asked if the ox-eye windows would have louvers. Mr. Ricciarelli replied that windows would have glass.
All existing windows would be restored.
Mr. Spang asked for paint colors. Mr. Ricciarelli replied that colors would remain as existing.
Mr. Joyce asked about gutters. Mr. Ricciarelli replied that there are no gutters currently as the building has a deep
overhang.
Public comment: No one in the assembly wished to speak.
VOTE: Mr. Martinez made a motion to approve the application as submitted. Ms. English seconded the motion.
All were in favor and the motion so carried.
87 Federal Street
Albert Goodhue Condo Association submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to replace gutters.
Documents & Exhibits
▪ Application: 11/19/19
▪ Photographs
Rachel Lieberman and Michelle Andrews on behalf of the Goodhue Trust were present to discuss the project.
Ms. Lieberman presented the application to replace the wood gutters that are in deteriorated condition with
aluminum gutters. Originally looked at fiberglass but it would be too expensive and copper, but it should not be
painted. Her contractor noted that other nearby houses have aluminum gutters. She stated that they would like the
gutters to be painted to match the house. She also expressed concern that copper gutters are frequently stolen. Mr.
Spang asked if wood gutters were considered. Ms. Lieberman replied that the wood would be expensive, would
require significant maintenance and there are fewer contractors who work with wood gutters. Ms. Lieberman stated
that aluminum gutters would be in 32 gauge.
Ms. Kelleher presented drawings indicating the difficulty with tying the new aluminum gutter into the building’s
decorative cornice molding. Mr. Spang asked for clarification on whether the gutter continues onto the return. Mr.
Joyce said he thought it was crown molding. The Commission agreed that the building’s cornice molding was
slightly different on each side of the building. Ms. Lieberman asked if there would be similar problem if a copper
gutter was used. Mr. Joyce replied that the profile was most important. Mr. Spang suggested that there was once a
continuous fascia piece. All agreed that the copper gutter would be difficult to tie into crown molding.
Ms. Norkun asked if downspouts would remain in existing locations. Ms. Lieberman replied that she believed so.
Mr. Joyce recommended replacing with new wood gutters lined with copper or sheet metal, which would have a
greater longevity. He stated that he could not support replacement with aluminum gutter since it would significantly
alter the building’s significant architectural details. He illustrated this by comparing the building’s wood gutters
with aluminum gutters on the adjoining property. The Commission agreed. Ms. Lieberman and Ms. Andrews
expressed interest in wood gutters but were concerned about cost.
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Public comment:
Ms. Kelly Tyler of 23 Warren Street reiterated the concern about the longevity of new wood. She relayed her
experience with replacing wood gutters at her property and stated that working with a good contractor is critical.
Her gutters are oiled and not lined. She offered to provide the name of her contractor to Ms. Lieberman and Ms.
Andrews.
VOTE: Mr. Joyce made a motion to approve the replacement of wood gutters with new wood gutters to be lined or
oiled to match existing profile and dimensions. New downspouts in aluminum to be painted to match existing and
to be placed in existing locations. Mr. Cutting seconded the motion. All were in favor and the motion so carried.
23 Warren Street
Nick Lewis and Kelly Tyler submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to replace windows on
rear ell.
Documents & Exhibits
▪ Application: 11/14/19
▪ Photographs
Kelly Lewis was present to discuss the project.
Ms. Lewis presented request to replace single-glazed Brosco wood replacement windows on the west elevation of
rear ell, noting that the contractor will be matching trim on rest of house and not using factory casement and trim.
The new Marvin Ultimate double-glazed wood windows would have bronze spacers and would match muntins
detail of casement windows on the east side of ell. She presented a sample Marvin Ultimate window. Fourteen
original wood windows on the main house have been restored by Window Women.
Mr. Joyce asked if windows would have wood exterior. Ms. Lewis replied in the affirmative.
Mr. Cutting noted the window’s distance from the street and their limited visibility.
Public comment: No one in the assembly wished to speak.
VOTE: Ms. English made a motion to approve the application as presented with the condition that windows would
have half screens Mr. Joyce seconded the motion. All were in favor and the motion so carried.
42 Warren Street
William Durkin and Abby Elizabeth Conway submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to alter
windows.
Documents & Exhibits
▪ Application: 11/18/19
▪ Photographs
William Durkin and Abby Elizabeth Conway were present with their contractor Paul Conway.
Ms. Conway presented the application to replace paired windows with a smaller single window to accommodate
interior kitchen remodel. She noted that windows on the house vary in size and placement.
Mr. Spang asked if the paired windows are original. Ms. Conway replied that she believed so since they match
other windows on the house.
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Ms. Norkun asked how the shutters will be salvaged and reused as described in the application. Ms. Conway replied
that the shutters may be reused on the rear and she was not sure if new shutters would be used on the new window.
Mr. Martinez suggested moving the shutters to the second floor windows where modern shutters are currently.
Mr. Spang asked for the height of window sill from floor. Ms. Conway replied approximately 2’. He asked if it was
possible to build interior kitchen cabinets differently to retain existing windows behind cabinet. He suggested
keeping existing casing in place and adding clapboards to fill space. Mr. Martinez suggested that it would be
difficult to open windows from the interior if behind cabinet.
The Commission discussed single versus double glazed windows.
Public comment: No one in the assembly wished to speak.
VOTE: Mr. Cutting made a motion to approve the application as presented with the condition that new window be
all wood, single-glazed with ½ screen and trim to match existing window trim on house. Ms. Norkun seconded the
motion. All were in favor and the motion so carried.
8 Botts Court
Amy Lauren Miller submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness for new shutters, paint color and
gutters.
Documents & Exhibits
▪ Application: 11/18/19
▪ Photographs
Amy Lauren Miller was present to discuss the project.
Ms. Miller presented request to replace inappropriate shutters with new historically-appropriate Red Cedar wood
shutters and paint with new color Benjamin Moore “N40380 Regal Soft Gloss Black”. New England Shutter Mills
will fabricate shutters, including custom-made shutters for windows that currently don’t have shutters. The front
porch floor would also be changed to “black”. The lattice would be painted black too. Main body of house will
remain existing yellow color.
Public comment: Ms. Kelleher read a letter of support from neighbors.
Ms. Norkun expressed concern that the black selected for the shutters would be too harsh with the yellow color of
the house. Ms. Miller stated that she could change the color of the black. The shutters will be pre-painted at the
factory and may not match exactly with the color black of the porch floor. The company offers two options for
black, only one of which will be a true black. The porch floor has already been painted in the BM Soft Gloss black.
VOTE: Mr. Joyce made a motion to approve the application for shutters and new color for porch and shutters as
presented. Mr. Cutting seconded the motion. All were in favor and the motion so carried.
Ms. Miller presented the request to replace wood gutters on rear additions. Ms. Miller reported that the existing
undersized gutters are experiencing significantly splashover that is causing deterioration of the building. Roger
Pettite will be working on the gutters. Mr. Pettite has worked on other houses in the district.
The Commission discussed the new gutters and how they would relate to the building’s cornice molding. Mr.
Martinez suggested that some of the splashover could be caused by the downspout on the upper roof dumping into
the gutter on the lower roof. Ms. Miller replied that they had considered correcting the situation but there was no
place to add a new downspout in that location. The Commission asked how the copper would relate to the gable
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return trim. Ms. Kelleher noted that Cambridge Historical Commission recommends gutter coppers and she would
reach out to them to see how they address gable return detail.
Mr. Martinez asked if wood gutter could remain on upper roof to connect with gable return trim. A new copper
gutter could be used for bottom roof. Ms. Miller asked if a copper downspout could be used instead of the
aluminum downspout. Mr. Joyce replied that it could be used but wood gutter should be lined in copper.
VOTE: Mr. Joyce made a motion to approve the application as presented with the following changes: gutter on
two-story rear ell to be in wood and lined in copper to match dimensions and details of existing wood gutter; new
downspout between two-story ell and single story addition to be round, fabricated in copper and with a larger
dimension then current downspout; and new gutters on single-story addition to be in copper. Mr. Cutting seconded
the motion. All were in favor and the motion so carried.
27 Chestnut Street
27 Chestnut Street Trust submitted an application for a Certificate of Appropriateness to install vent pipes.
Documents & Exhibits
▪ Application: 11/20/19
▪ Photographs
Elizabeth Padjen was present on behalf of the Trust to discuss the project.
Ms. Padjen noted that her father Oscar Padjen recently passed away. The house has been in the family for more
than 50 years. She is now seeking to complete some repairs at the property, including replacing one of the
building’s two boilers and the water heater, which are failing. They are seeking to replace with high efficiency
systems that need to be vented through an outside wall. She stated that they considered various locations to
minimize the visibility of the vent pipes but the building’s configuration limits placement to the proposed location
through the basement window in the rear addition. Ms. Padjen presented drawings of the building elevation. She
noted that existing fencing and evergreen plantings would hide the vent pipes from certain vantage points.
Additional evergreen rhododendrons would be planted to further screen the pipes. The 9-light basement window
would be removed, and the frame would be retained. She presented an example of the single flat oval vent that
would be used. An additional vent pipe would be added for the water heater. She presented photographs of the
variety of high efficiency vent pipes on houses on Charter Street. She stated that the panel and pipes would be
painted black to match a basement door on the same elevation closer to Chestnut Street.
The Commission discussed the design of the infill panel and where the pipes will be located on the panel. Mr.
Spang asked if the vents pipes could be located in the upper part of the panel. Mr. Martinez asked if the color of the
basement frame will remain white. Ms. Padjen replied that the panel will be black, and the frame will be the current
white. The Commission considered the use of a palimpsest window or “ghost window” whereby the interior would
be infilled or bricked in and the frame remains in place. The Commission debated whether to use a white or black
frame next to the granite foundation and whether brick should be used for infill. Mr. Joyce suggested the use of
shutters to infill the space. The Commission agreed that a black frame would make the panel fade visually and the
panel could have trim details added to read as a door.
Public comment: No one in the assembly wished to speak.
VOTE: Mr. Joyce made a motion to approve the application as presented with the following changes: foundation
window insert to be fabricated with trim detail to mimic appearance of foundation door found at the northern end of
east elevation of main building. Insert, vent and vent pipe to be painted all black to match shutters. Rhododendrons
to be planted for further screening. Mr. Cutting seconded the motion. All were in favor and the motion so carried.
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Other Business
The Commission discussed the schedule for the first meeting in January. Per the calendar, the first Wednesday of the
month is January 1st and meetings can be held. Ms. Kelleher reported that the options were to schedule a different
meeting time or to cancel the first meeting and only hold the second meeting in January. She stated that it can be
challenging to find a meeting room and to have members available to find a different meeting time. She stated that
there is only one application for the next meeting on December 18th. The Commission agreed to cancel the first
meeting in January and hold the next meeting on January 15th.
VOTE: Mr. Cutting made a motion to adjourn. Ms. Norkun seconded the motion. All were in favor and the
motion so carried.
The meeting adjourned at 11:10 PM.
Respectfully submitted,
Patti Kelleher
Community Development Planner
Agenda
Salem Historical Commission
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Agenda - REVISED
SALEM HISTORICAL COMMISSION
WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 4, 2019
7:00 P.M.
98 WASHINGTON STREET, 1st FLOOR CONFERENCE ROOM
1. 6 Federal Court – Federal Court Realty Trust - Certificate of Hardship – Demolish carriage house – continuation
2. 9 Cambridge Street – Andrea and Colin Grant – Certificate of Appropriateness – Architectural roof shingles –
continuation
3. 19 Flint Street – Lenney Trust – Certificate of Appropriateness – Architectural roof shingles - continuation
4. 5 Botts Court – Brendan Collins and Caroline Crandall – Certificate of Appropriateness – Remove chimney -
continuation
5. 8 Chestnut Street – Leo and Wendy Kraunelis – Certificate of Appropriateness – New shed addition
6. 374 Essex Street – James Sullivan and Emma Hamilton – Certificate of Appropriateness – Renovate carriage house
7. 87 Federal Street – Rachel Lieberman (Albert Goodhue Condo Association) – Certificate of Appropriateness – Replace
gutters and downspouts
8. 23 Warren Street – Nick Lewis and Kelly Tyler – Certificate of Appropriateness – Replace rear windows
9. 42 Warren Street – William Durkin and Abby Elizabeth Conway - Certificate of Appropriateness – Replace windows
10. 8 Botts Court – Amy Lauren Miller – Certificate of Appropriateness – Replace shutters and new paint colors
11. 27 Chestnut Street - 27 Chestnut Street Trust - Certificate of Appropriateness – Install vent pipes
12. 12 Mall Street – North Ventures Inc. – Waiver of the Demolition Delay Ordinance – Demolish house – continuation
13. Other Business
a. Minutes
b. Violations
c. Correspondence
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