Historical Commission
Regular MeetingSalem, MA · July 15, 2020
Minutes
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SALEM HISTORICAL COMMISSION
MINUTES
JULY 15, 2020
A meeting of the Salem Historical Commission was held on Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 6:00 pm Zoom
Virtual Meeting Present were; Reed Cutting, Rebecca English, Vijay Joyce, Milo Martinez, Stacey
Norkun, Mark Pattison, Larry Spang. Not present: David Hart
35 Flint Street – continuation
Bowditch Condominiums submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness to install new stair railings
Documents & Exhibits
▪ Application: 5/12/20
▪ Photographs
Ms. Kelleher reported that the applicant has requested a continuation.
VOTE: Ms. Norkun made a motion to continue to the next regular meeting on June 3, 2020. Mr. Joyce
seconded the motion. Commissioners Joyce, Martinez, Norkun, Schaeffer, Pattison, English and Spang
were in favor and the motion so carried.
14 Cambridge Street - continuation
14 Cambridge Street, Inc. submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness to install new aluminum gutters
Documents & Exhibits
▪ Application: 6/1/20
▪ Photographs
Ms. Kelleher reported that she had not heard from the applicant, who is in the process of working with
Massachusetts Historical Commission on the proposed changes due to the fact that this was a historic tax
credit project.
VOTE: Ms. Norkun made a motion to continue to the next regular meeting on August 5, 2020. Mr.
Joyce seconded the motion. Joyce, Martinez, Norkun, Schaeffer, Pattison, English and Spang were in
favor and the motion so carried.
55 Summer Street
David and Kelly Shutoff submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness to install new fence
Documents & Exhibits
▪ Application: 6/8/20
▪ Photographs
Commissioner Norkun recused herself as an abutter to the applicant.
David and Kelly Shutoff were present to discuss the project.
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Ms. Shutoff stated they have a gate to the backyard and they want to change the style and the gate height
from 4 feet to 6 feet between their property and 53 Federal Street. The gate will be white cedar with
black colonial hardware in kind with the neighborhood. The top would be straight not scalloped as it is
currently.
Ms. Kelleher noted that the Norkun property at 53 Summer received approval for their fence. Ms. Shutoff
added that they wanted a 6-foot to align with front section of fence. The gate will match the fence style.
Mr. Shutoff noted that they will match what has been approved at 53 Summer Street.
Mr. Joyce asked if the hardware will be visible. Ms. Shutoff replied that they are open to suggestion, but
it would be unobtrusive to match the neighborhood. The current fence has no visible hardware from the
front, you can reach over to open it, but a higher gate would require a front handle. Mr. Shutoff added
that their installer, Boston Fence and Vinyl, doesn’t provide examples but there will only be one handle
and the color will be black. Mr. Joyce suggested the hardware match the Norkun’s. Ms. Norkun stated
that the hardware will match their hand hammered handle, the fence will be 5” T&G white cedar boards,
the height of gate will be 4-feet and the surrounding will be 6-feet, and the fence will taper down to 5 feet
beyond the end of the gate. She stated that she felt a 6-foot-high fence is appropriate.
Mr. Spang asked why the existing and proposed gate are further down the alley instead of at the sidewalk.
Ms. Shutoff replied that a relocation of the gate to the bottom of the front steps was something they
hadn’t considered. Ms. Norkun added that there was once a bakery at that corner between 53 and 55
Summer Street. The proposed gate location is the historically accurate location since it was once
connected to the bake house, and there was never a fence or gate that connected 53 to 55, so this pushed
back gate location is appropriate.
Public Comment:
No one in the assembly wished to speak.
VOTE: Mr. Martinez made a motion to approve a 6-foot-high fence with black metal hardware to match
53 Summer Street. Mr. Joyce seconded the motion. Joyce, Martinez, Schaeffer, Pattison, English and
Spang were in favor and the motion so carried.
8 Carpenter Street
Barbara Ruth Newman Revocable Trust submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness to install new roofing,
copper gutters, and downspouts
Documents & Exhibits
▪ Application: 6/25/20
▪ Photographs
Barbara Newman was present to discuss the project.
Ms. Newman stated that she would like a continuous look to the house in terms of gutters and
downspouts. The third-floor roofline has wood gutters and aluminum downspouts and the roof has
architectural asphalt shingles. Vermont Black Slate is proposed at the mansard roof and at the rear, while
the upper roof would be replaced in kind with CertainTeed Landmark, in “Moire Black”, a color close to
what exists.
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Mr. Spang asked if downspouts are proposed in same location and if the copper gutter would wrap around
above the bay window or get interrupted by the bay. Ms. Newman replied that the path of the existing
gutter would be replaced, and the upper gutter would feed into the lower gutter. She suggested adding
another downspout by the bay window that feeds into the entryway gutter. Mr. Pattison agreed that a
second downspout to the left of the bay would be appropriate, because it’s too much runoff for one
downspout. Ms. Newman noted the ice damming in that area. Mr. Pattison replied that another gutter
won’t help with ice damming and the ice damming may be because there is not be enough insulation. Mr.
Spang agreed.
Ms. Newman stated that the proposed gutters are larger than the existing wood gutters and copper
downspout will also be larger than the aluminum. Mr. Joyce stated that two downspouts, one at their
end, is their traditional placement. He proposed holding off on adding one in the middle unless it’s
necessary since the new gutters and downspouts are larger. Ms. Norkun asked if the rear gutter is the full
run. Ms. Newman replied yes.
Public comment:
No one in the assembly wished to speak.
VOTE: Mr. Joyce made a motion to approve copper gutters and downspout location at the rear to be as
presented, front the location of the middle downspout to be reviewed by Commissioner Pattison and if
required to add a third downspout should be added to the rear side of the bay. Mr. Pattison seconded the
motion. Commissioners Joyce, Martinez, Norkun, Schaeffer, English and Spang were in favor and the
motion so carried.
Roofing:
Mr. Spang noted that the top of the gambrel will be replaced with black asphalt shingles to match the
existing color and to replace the side walls of the gambrel with Vermont black slate. Mr. Joyce noted his
concern with seeing the top of the gambrel and the use of two different materials. Ms. Norkun agreed
with the visible difference, noted the angled sides of the shingles that will look very disconnected from
the slate on the lower gambrel roof, and suggested an asphalt shingle with a straight edge profile such as
CertainTeed Highland or GAF Slateline be considered. Ms. Newman noted her structural concern with
the upper roof being able to withstand the weight of asphalt shingles, she wants to replace what exists, as
well as the cost difference.
VOTE: Mr. Joyce made a motion accept black slate on the steeper and on upper portion of the roof and
the slate color shall match the existing color. Mr. Pattison seconded the motion. Commissioners Joyce,
Martinez, Norkun, Schaeffer, English and Spang were in favor and the motion so carried.
49 Warren Street
Yuri Cataldo submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness to replace windows
Documents & Exhibits
▪ Application: 6/30/20
▪ Photographs
Mr. Jaime Morin, window representative, was present to discuss the project.
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Ms. Kelleher noted that the Commission has approved Anderson Renewal windows at 7 North Pine Street
with 2/2 windows at the upper floors and at 3 Bedford Street for 1/1 windows, also at the upper level.
There were no special conditions, but the windows were located in upper floors or not facing the street.
Ms. Schaeffer asked if the proposed windows are smaller than the currently openings/casings. Mr. Morin
replied the windows are close in size. He stated that the subject windows were four windows along the
side of the house and three are the rear. The new windows will have simulated divide light grille pattern
and white color will match the existing. Mr. Joyce asked if the storm windows will be reinstalled. Mr.
Morin replied that the homeowner will make that decision, but they don’t recommend it. He noted that
two existing first-floor windows beyond the air conditioner were previously changed and no longer have
storms.
Mr. Spang requested construction details of the head, jamb, and sill to determine how the window will sit
within the opening, and if the opening will need to be reduced to fit a non-standard window. Mr. Morin
replied that the windows are custom and will fit into the existing openings, they have a low profile and
less than ½” of the frame will be seen when installed. Mr. Martinez noted that the new composite
window is Fibrex material. Mr. Morin replied that all Andersen Renewal windows are made of Fibrex, a
finish that won’t peel or split. Ms. Norkun asked if the windows had both an interior and exterior
aluminum clad finish. Mr. Morin replied that the Fibrex material is a polymer and wood. Chair Spang
requested head, jamb, and sill details, as well as the sash thickness to see how closely it will match the
existing. Mr. Morin to provide a window sample.
Public Comment:
No one in the assembly wished to speak.
The Commission will make a site visit on Wednesday, July 22nd.
VOTE: Ms. Norkun made a motion to continue to the next regular meeting on August 5, 2020. Joyce
seconded the motion. Commissioners Joyce, Martinez, Norkun, Schaeffer, English and Spang were in
favor and the motion so carried.
146 Federal Street
Robert and Michaeline Ouellette submitted a Certificate of Appropriateness to construct new carriage
house
Documents & Exhibits
▪ Application: 6/30/20
▪ Photographs
▪ Architectural plans by Seger Architects
Commissioner Norkun recused herself as a friend of the applicant.
Dan Ricciarelli of Seger Architects was present to discuss the project.
Mr. Ricciarelli stated that this property is on the corner of Federal and Flint Streets where a new carriage
house is proposed on an existing stone foundation. The previous carriage house was a Federal style
building that matched the house, with large doors and windows above, and the yard was raised 5-feet
above the street. The proposal is to mimic the 1801 carriage house in its Federal style based on the old
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photos. The doors will be installed along Webb Street and will be replicated to match the traditional
doors with solid wood boards below and glass lites above, and will be based on the renovated trolly barn
near Webb Street that won a Preservation Award and received historic State and Federal tax credits. The
carriage house will house a small workshop and storage on the second level and a garage to store his work
truck below. The stone wall needs significant repair and interior parging, if necessary. A mid-level band
molding seen in the existing photographs will be reintroduced on the facades and is a standard detail for
this style house. The windows will be single glazed, double-hung, true divided lite wood windows. The
roof shingles will be three-tab asphalt in a dark color to match the house, possibly GAF Royal Sovereign
to match the house. The roof slope will also match the existing house as well as any mouldings, fascia,
trim, and a 10-inch soffit at the eave line. No gutters or downspouts are proposed. The skirt board will be
smaller 6-inch with a chamfered edge, rather than a traditional 10-12-inch skirt board, which is
undersized but will match the house. The moulding and casing at the windows will also be replicated to
match the house, with a 2” historic sill. The structure will have a post and beam frame and clapboards
exposed 4-inches to the weather.
Chair Spang asked if the existing stone wall with the chamfer will remain. Mr. Ricciarelli replied yes and
it will be set back 5-feet from the property line. Chair Spang asked if the north lot line will be the edge of
the building. Mr. Ricciarelli replied yes, they have a zero-lot-line, they met with the Building Inspector
and will request a Special Permit from the ZBA. Chair Spang asked how they will have the two windows
along the party wall. Mr. Ricciarelli replied that 3-feet is the minimum and they will be blanked out from
the rear, but the Building Inspector will need to approve of whether those windows can exist at that
elevation. They would want to keep the windows proposed for Flint Street if the other aren’t allowed.
Chair Spang replied that the party walls were invented because of the distance that fire can jump to an
adjacent structure and the neighbors are not likely to building a structure close to the property line. Chair
Spang noted that the windows on the front elevation appear to be larger than what was previously there.
Mr. Ricciarelli replied that he counted the clapboards and the dimensions are close to what existed. Chair
Spang noted that the front windows seem to be slightly off center. Mr. Ricciarelli replied that they were
centered above the door jamb below but for functional purposes the doors are also wider than the existing,
so the windows also shifted.
Chair Spang suggested shifting the two windows inward to show more clapboard on the left and right
sides. He was pleased that they were recreating this carriage house and will make a nice addition to the
streetscape. Mr. Joyce agreed and noted that the detail of the windows had picture moulding and not 2-
inch sills. Mr. Ricciarelli replied that there will be sills.
Public Comment:
Dan Skolski, 144 Federal Street, Architect, expressed his support of the project. He stated that it would be
great to see the building recreated, and he hopes the Commission recommends approval.
Joyce Kenny expressed approval of the recreated carriage house at this location, which is also on the
historic registry.
No one else in the assembly wished to speak.
Mr. Pattison asked why the mid-span band board was increased instead of matching the existing subtler
banding. Mr. Ricciarelli agreed with the observation and stated that he would make it smaller.
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VOTE: Mr. Joyce made a motion approve as submitted and to adjust mid-span banding going around the
house and bringing the windows inward. Ms. English seconded the motion. Commissioners Martinez,
Joyce, Schaeffer, Pattison, English, Spang were in favor and the motion so carried.
25 Colonial Road
Colonial Road Owner LLC submitted a Waiver of the Demolition Delay Ordinance to demolish single
story office building
Documents & Exhibits
▪ Application: 7/6/20
▪ Photographs
Attorney Scott Grover, Sean Smith (Civil Engineer), Doug Malone (Construction Mgr.), John Smith (VP
of Development for RJ Kelly Co.
This site was formerly Univar, a chemical manufacturing site. The new owner will make the warehouse
into a warehouse distribution facility, which will undergo very few changes. The parking lot will be
reconfigured to provide better access to the warehouse. They are currently before the Conservation
Commission and the Planning Board because both Boards have jurisdiction due to its proximity to the
wetlands surrounding the site as well as the flood plain. A couple of small outbuildings will need to be
removed to reconfigure the parking lot.
Mr. Smith noted that they’ve worked to determine the site elements that will support the repurposing of
the building. They believe the real estate value on the property is minimal compared to the investment
they are putting into the warehouse. They believe it should be demolished because; it exists almost
entirely within both the tidal and flood plain and it’s removal would provide a certain amount of flood
plain compensation, it will affect the site improvements from a loading standpoint in relation to the
warehouse, its proximity to resource areas as listed in the wetlands protection act, and upon it’s removal a
four bay sediment detention area will be placed in this location.
Chair Spang requested a proposed drawing. Mr. Smith replied that there would be a three-foot-deep hole
covered with stone. The existing pavement will be restriped in larger size spaces to park larger trucks, the
loading area has a retaining wall pulled further away from the warehouse. Removing the small office
building helps offset the remaining flood plain and the driveway will be slightly realigned to provide
better circulation on the site. Colonial Road is a private way and they have an easement with National
Grid and very little of their site can be seen from Jefferson Ave or the end of Colonial Road. The trees
along the wetlands are tall making their site well hidden and they are bounded by the MBTA on the
opposite side.
Ms. English asked if there was a proposal to demolish another building on the site. Mr. Smith replied yes,
a small structure with corrugated metal walls constructed in 1988. It’s not within the 50-year window,
but back-up material was provided. There is no easement, the MBTA does own a narrow portion of the
land that they will work around. The structure is small and mostly hidden behind the parking lot and
condominiums. The Commission agreed that the structure is barely visible from the street.
Public Comment:
Joyce Kenney stated that there were hazardous materials on this site at one time.
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No one else in the assembly wished to speak.
Ms. Schaeffer stated that it’s distance from the street and from the right of way doesn’t make a difference
and this mid-century modern building fits because of its location. This building’s location within the
flood plain zones is a reminder to think about climate change in the future.
Mr. Spang stated that photos and drawings of the building prior to its demolition will need to be
submitted for the record.
VOTE: Mr. Joyce made a motion to approve demo of structure as submitted. Mr. Martinez seconded the
motion. Commissioners Martinez, Norkun, Joyce, Schaeffer, Pattison, English, Spang were in favor and
the motion so carried.
Other Business
New applications:
13 Warren Street: Ms. Kelleher stated that a minor change request has been submitted. The building was
renovated by the previous owner and the new owner wants to repair the porch. The lattice under the
porch is vinyl board and they want to replace it with wood vertical slats. The questions is whether that
requires a public hearing or can be approved as a minor change. Commissioners Spang, English,
Schaeffer agreed that the change was minor. Mr. Spang noted that the Commission most likely wouldn’t
have approved vinyl. Ms. Kelleher added that the previous plans didn’t indicate the use of vinyl trim but
could have been there before but weren’t changed. The slat size is appropriate for the house. With no
objections she will send the notifications to the neighbors to see if any object in writing. It will be
advertised for the next meeting, but if no neighbors object in writing, she will cancel the public hearing
for it.
4 Andover Street: Ms. Kelleher stated that wood and aluminum gutters are on the house and the request
is to replace the aluminum with wood to match the exisitng conditions. This can be treated as a minor
change if there are no objections. The applicant is making several in-kind repairs which qualify as a non-
applicability. The Commissioners noted that the application doesn’t state whether the new downspouts
will be aluminum and if they will painted to match the trim color, so the applicants should undergo
Commission review. Ms. Kelleher stated that a Certificate of Non-Applicability could be sent to the
application so they can begin the in-kind work.
Bakers Island Project: Ms. Kelleher stated that a house is proposed to be demolished and the Building
Inspector confirmed that any building on that island is still subject to the demolition delay regulations.
78 Bay View Avenue: Ms. Kelleher stated that a renovation is proposed and was supposed to be heard at
tonight’s ZBA meeting but the applicant requested a continuance since the neighbors raised concerns that
the Historic Commission may also have concerns and comment. Mr. Spang noted that maintaining the
views is a concern since neighbors keep building up. Mr. Joyce added that the applicant is also proposing
to remove the front porch. The Commission agreed the neighborhood should consider designation as a
local historic district, which would provide more than comment from more than the Zoning Board.
79 Columbus: Mr. Spang stated that demolition has taken place while claiming it was only a renovation
and the neighbors are frustrated. Ms. Kelleher noted that the applicant has undergone multiple levels of
review by the Conservation Commission, Planning Board and Zoning Board, but she’s unaware of where
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they are in the process, so she will ask the Building Inspector to review it for safety hazard. It was
reviewed by the Commission twice.
101 Columbus Avenue: Mr. Spang stated that it was built like cottages with minimal space but the current
owner has been making modifications, and he’s asked Ms. Kelleher to tell the Building Inspector that it
should be reviewed by the Commission before significant demolition takes place. Ms. Schaeffer added
that new homeowners may not understand the attributes and history of their home and they may be an
advocate for historic preservation if they knew.
Winter Island: Mr. Spang stated that a chimney recently collapsed into the structure. Ms. Kelleher noted
that an RFI was issued for the property, but she hasn’t been involved in the process. Ms. Schaeffer noted
that it would be important to know if there were any limitations on its proposed use because of its
relationship to the water and the other buildings on the site needs to be integrated into the Harbor Plan.
Mr. Spang noted that it would take significant resources to restore the structures to make them usable and
it may need to be taken down before it collapses since there’s been no upkeep.
Letter of Support: Ms. Kelleher stated that the City is submitting an application for a grant to do some
economic planning relating to impacts from Covid-19 on City. The Planning Department has asked for a
letter of support by next week. If the Commission agrees, she can draft the letter and circulate for review.
It mentions impacts to the historic downtown, visitation, tourism. Mr. Spang offered assistance with
drafting the letter and suggested including tourist related retail and hotel supports this historic fabric of
the City and their mission of preserving historic resources. Ms. Schaeffer noted that job retention would
be great for the City, PEM’s recovery, as well as Essex County Community Foundation (EFFC) a non-
profit. Ms. Kelleher noted that local non-profit and museums haven’t been a focus. Ms. Schaeffer added
that the supporting of education should also be included. Ms. Kelleher replied that HSI’s Education
Committee has been working to educate owners on being in historic districts as well as renovations.
Alan Hanscom, SATV noted that Google Maps allows the user to see a time lapse of structure. He asked
if historic districts expand as a city gets older. Mr. Spang replied no. Mr. Martinez added that the
development of those districts is elective that requires a petition and City Council approval.
Mr. Martinez asked if the City electrician has met with Ms. Kelleher about the lamps at Salem Common
because one is still in place. Ms. Kelleher replied that nothing more had been decided.
Ms. Schaeffer noted that the next Preservation Partners meeting has not been scheduled.
Meeting Minutes
No minutes to review.
VOTE: Joyce made a motion to adjourn. Pattison seconded the motion. Martinez, Norkun, Joyce,
Schaeffer, Pattison, English, Spang were in favor and the motion so carried. were in favor and the motion
so carried.
The meeting adjourned at 8:00 PM.
Respectfully submitted,
Patti Kelleher, Preservation Planner
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SALEM HISTORICAL COMMISSION
WEDNESDAY, JULY 15, 2020
6:00 P.M. (PLEASE NOTE NEW TIME)
MEETING AGENDA
1. 35 Flint Street – Bowditch Condominiums – Certificate of Appropriateness – New stair railings -
continuation
2. 14 Cambridge Street – 14 Cambridge Street Inc. – Certificate of Appropriateness – Aluminum gutters -
continuation
3. 55 Summer Street – David and Kelly Shutoff – Certificate of Appropriateness – New fence
4. 8 Carpenter Street – Barbara Ruth Newman Revocable Trust– Certificate of Appropriateness – New
roofing and copper gutters and downspouts
5. 49 Warren Street – Yuri Cataldo - Certificate of Appropriateness – Replace windows
6. 146 Federal Street – Robert and Michaeline Ouellette - Certificate of Appropriateness – New carriage
house
7. 25 Colonial Road – Colonial Road Owner LLC - Waiver of the Demolition Delay Ordinance – Demolish
single story office building
8. Other Business
a. Minutes
b. Violations
c. Correspondence
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