City Council
Regular MeetingSaratoga Springs, NY · April 17, 2001
Minutes
CITY COUNCIL MEETING
CITY OF SARATOGA SPRINGS, NEW YORK
TUESDAY, APRIL 17, 2001
CITY COUNCIL ROOM
6:50 P.M.
PRESENT: Kenneth Klotz, Mayor
Michael Lenz, Commissioner, Finance
Bernard Mirling, Commissioner, Accounts
ABSENT: Thomas Curley, Commissioner, DPS
Thomas McTygue, Commissioner, DPW
ALSO PRESENT: Phillip Klein, Board of Supervisors Representative
Anthony Scirocco, Board of Supervisors Representative
STAFF PRESENT: Carol Kennedy, Deputy Commissioner, Accounts
Jeffrey Wait, City Attorney
PUBLIC HEARING
Zoning Amendment - Saratoga Harness
Mayor Kenneth Klotz explained that although the public hearing on the Zoning Amendment for
Saratoga Harness would be held this evening, there would be no vote.
Mayor Kenneth Klotz opened the public hearing on the Zoning Amendment for Saratoga Harness.
Skip Carlson, representing the Equine Center, addressed the Council stating that the arena would
be on the west end of the harness parking lot and would host equine events such as rodeos, trade
shows (country folk art, food shows, etc.), approximately 12 - 15 concerts and practice space for
youth and scholastic athletic teams. The total seating for the arena would be 3,500. He also
stated that the infrastructure (parking and horse barns) make it a natural fit in that location.
Tony Izzo, Assistant City Attorney, pointed out that there was revised text which should be
reviewed this evening.
Alan Justin, 18 Nelson Avenue, stated that this will result in a lifestyle change for this community.
He said this proposed use is a far cry from horse related activities. He also said the arena will
produce large volumes of traffic and perhaps it was time for the Council to consider a cloverleaf
entrance and exit off the Northway. He expressed concern about the proposed convention center
being just the beginning of a big picture, and that a restrictive zoning schedule will close the door
to legalized gambling.
Page 1 of 10
City of Saratoga Springs City Council Meeting Minutes
Tuesday, April 17, 2001
Mark Baker, Executive Director of City Center, stated that he has watched the progress of this
proposal and has met with City staff to discuss this application. He said that the equine center
is an important segment of this community and the City Center is in unanimous support of all the
horse related events of the arena. However, he expressed concern that the combination of uses
will create conflicts for downtown businesses and the City Center. Mark Baker said Saratoga
Springs cannot support this type of facility. He stated that the master plan promotes a healthy
way of growth and that the idea of a hotel at this location was bad. He asked that the request
for a hotel be reconsidered.
Mayor Kenneth Klotz reminded everyone that the request for a business and conference center had
been withdrawn from the proposal. Mark Baker said he still opposed this application.
Joe Dalton, Chamber of Commerce, said he supported the arena. He said that the concerts will not
draw extremely large crowds and will not cause a problem with SPAC. He agreed that at times the
arena would compete with the City Center, but at other times it would not.
Cheryl Arpey, 2 Nelson Avenue, said her concern is the location of the cloverleaf, how water and
sewer would be affected and air and noise pollution.
Mayor Kenneth Klotz pointed out that this proposal does not call for a cloverleaf.
Jesse Wilson, 220 Crescent Avenue, said he is opposed to drawing people away from downtown.
He said that he has no problem with the concerts. He said he was concerned about traffic though.
Frank Fitzgerald, President of the Equine Center, stated that he is not asking for anything more
than what has been done before. He said nothing will change. He explained that the conventions
will not bring millions of people and that whenever they have functions such as the Sysco shows,
they give out coupons that encourage their participants to go to the downtown business. He said
many of their participants use the downtown hotels. Mr. Fitzgerald reiterated that his
organization promotes downtown usage and that this proposal is a detriment to the community.
He also stated that the cloverleaf is a whole different issue that is not part of this application.
Judith Belt-Smith of Designer Studio, stated that she is opposed to this project.
Gavin Landry of Saratoga Convention and Tourism Bureau, stated he is in the business of
marketing Saratoga Springs and he supports the arena proposal.
Andrea Green, 117 Nelson Avenue, stated that she was concerned how this would affect this
neighborhood. She stated that the houses on Nelson Avenue are built close to the road and the
traffic has been known to go much faster than the speed limit calls for. She said this can cause
a major increase in traffic in this residential area and wanted to know how the City would handle
Page 2 of 10
City of Saratoga Springs City Council Meeting Minutes
Tuesday, April 17, 2001
it. Don Tussic stated that he supported this project. He said the harness industry has done a
lot to vitalize the local industries and he was impressed with the rendering of this multi-
opportunity facility. He also stated that the traffic patterns can be controlled and further noted
that many of the proposed uses for this site already exist. He urged the Council to approve this
project.
Alan Justin asked if there is flexibility with the terms Frank Fitzgerald stated they presently have
car shows and trade shows, and this will be business as usual with more space. Alan Justin asked
if there is any mechanism to define the present uses. Frank Fitzgerald explained that he is trying
to modify the existing zoning, as well as to upgrade the facility.
Commissioner Bernard Mirling stated that there seems to be some confusion and suggested that
maybe some of the representatives can meet to clarify the intended uses.
There being no one else wishing to speak, Mayor Kenneth Klotz closed the public hearing at 7:30
p.m.
Senior Citizen Tax Exemption and Disabled Persons Tax Exemption
Mayor Kenneth Klotz opened the public hearing on the Senior Citizen Tax Exemption and the
Disabled Persons Tax Exemption.
Commissioner Michael Lenz stated that he had examined the Senior Citizen exemption levels and
was now proposing to change them to conform with the Star Exemption. He said he is also
proposing to provide disability exemptions. He said it would be so written that individuals may not
take advantage of both of these exemptions at the same time. They must choose one or the other.
There being no one wishing to speak, Mayor Kenneth Klotz closed the public hearing at 7:36 p.m.
MAYOR'S OFFICE
Sister City Report
Christina Mettler, Jennifer Engelmann and JoAnn Kubricky are present to address the Council.
Jennifer Engelman read a report of their most recent interactions with the sister city.
Mayor Kenneth Klotz said that they have developed a sister city with a town in Russia he will be
appointing a committee. He also thanked the committee for their presentation.
Page 3 of 10
City of Saratoga Springs City Council Meeting Minutes
Tuesday, April 17, 2001
Recreation Department Reports
Linda Terricola presented the Council with the Recreation Department’s Annual Report for 2000.
She explained that there were five smaller budgets within this budget which includes Saratoga
Recreation Commission Budget, the Weibel Ice Rink, Vernon Arena, Camp Saradac, and Youth
Parking. She said that all budgets are self-sufficient except for Camp Saradac. She said the
Recreation Department is now able to supply scholarship funding for 53 children to attend Camp
Saradac. She said approximately 400 children attended the Camp Saradac and the Playground
program combined.
Chairman John Irving addressed the Council and explained that the policy and procedure manual
had been submitted to the Council and he looked forward to working with the Council.
Armory Contract
Mayor Kenneth Klotz moved and Commissioner Michael Lenz seconded to approve the voucher in
the amount of $6,758.04 for the Camp Saradac and Playground programs. Ayes all.
Youth Parking Agreement (01-047)
Mayor Kenneth Klotz moved and Commissioner Bernard Mirling seconded to approve the Youth
Parking in the amount of $4,000.00. Ayes all.
Camp Saradac Director Contract (01-048)
Mayor Kenneth Klotz moved and Commissioner Michael Lenz seconded to approve the Camp
Saradac Director contract with Nancy Fontaine in the amount of $6,200.00. Ayes all.
Camp Saradac Bus Agreement (01-049)
Mayor Kenneth Klotz said that a final agreement between the City and the School District for bus
rental had not yet been developed, however, this was an annual contract and asked that the council
approved it at this time.
Mayor Kenneth Klotz moved and Commissioner Michael Lenz seconded to approve the bus
agreement when submitted. Ayes all.
Camp Saradac Trip Schedule (01-050)
Page 4 of 10
City of Saratoga Springs City Council Meeting Minutes
Tuesday, April 17, 2001
Mayor Kenneth Klotz moved and Commissioner Bernard Mirling seconded to approve the trip
schedule as submitted. Ayes all.
Grande Industrial Park Contract(01-051)
Mayor Kenneth Klotz moved and Commissioner Bernard Mirling seconded to ratify the previous
approval by memo for the Grande Industrial Park Contract. Ayes all.
Grande Industrial Park Property Transfer
Jeff Wait, City Attorney, stated that he had not received a signed copy of the contracts. He
explained that the plant manager had recently died and that had caused the hold up. He said
though that he had been assured by Quad Graphics that they intend to proceed with the property
transfer.
Supervisor Phillip Klein explained that the contract is between the City and Quad Graphics and the
contracts are needed before the City Council can approve the transfer. Jeff Wait stated that they
will need a memorandum of understanding stating that William McNeary will donate the property
to the City. He said the purpose of this property transfer is for a water tower. He said that the
Council will need to approve the memorandum of understanding with William McNeary for the
transfer 16 acres of land at no cost to the City (including the easement).
Commissioner Michael Lenz asked why the Council should act on this now and not wait until the
negotiations were completed. Jeff Wait said they need to move forward to retain the funds for the
water tower. Paul Male, City Engineer, informed the Council that there is the possibility that the
tower will also be used for antennas for private businesses.
Mayor Kenneth Klotz said this water tower will greatly benefit the community.
West Avenue Change Order (01-052)
Mayor Kenneth Klotz moved and Commissioner Michael Lenz seconded to approve the corrected
West Avenue Change Order. Paul Male stated that there was a discrepancy in the original
paperwork and the amount is now $5,000.00 higher. Ayes all
Open Space Working Group
Commissioner Bernard Mirling was appointed to put together an open space working group.
Sale of 85 Beekman Street
Brad Birge said this property will soon be ready for resale to income eligible people. He said this
Page 5 of 10
City of Saratoga Springs City Council Meeting Minutes
Tuesday, April 17, 2001
property is first in a series of assisted purchases that will be available as part of the 2001 Block
Grant Funds.
Crime Victim's Candlelight Vigil
Mayor Kenneth Klotz announced that a vigil will be held at the Presbyterian Church on Circular
Street for crime victims.
Elks Club Student Government Day
May Kenneth Klotz said students will soon visit the City Hall and the County Buildings to learn how
local government works. He thanked Bob Lindall of the Elks Club, for organizing this program.
Ramsdill Park Agreement (01-053)
Mayor Kenneth Klotz moved and Commissioner Bernard Mirling seconded to authorize the Open
Space Project to administer Ramsdill Park Agreements. Ayes all.
Grande Industrial Park Agreements (01-054)
Mayor Kenneth Klotz moved and Commissioner Bernard Mirling seconded to approve the City as
lead agency. Ayes all. Paul Male stated that this would involve a typical SEQR review.
Executive Session
Mayor Kenneth Klotz asked that the executive session to discuss pending litigation. Council
members agreed.
Masie Center Dedication
Mayor Kenneth Klotz informed the Council and the public of the Masie Center dedication.
ACCOUNTS DEPARTMENT
Approval of the April 3 meeting minutes
Commissioner Bernard Mirling moved and Mayor Kenneth Klotz seconded to approve the April 3
meeting minutes. Ayes all.
Award of Bid - Decorative Street Lights
Upon the recommendation of the Department of Public Works, Commissioner Bernard Mirling
Page 6 of 10
City of Saratoga Springs City Council Meeting Minutes
Tuesday, April 17, 2001
moved and Mayor Kenneth Klotz seconded to award the bid for decorative street lights to Thorpe
Electric Supply for various prices. Ayes all.
Award of Bid -- Heavy Duty Dump Body
Upon the recommendation of the Department of Public Works, Commissioner Bernard Mirling
moved and Mayor Kenneth Klotz seconded to award the bid for the Heavy Duty 2-3 yard Dump
Body with Hydraulic Hoist to White Bear Equipment of Albany for $5,385.00. Ayes all.
Award of Bid -- Dump Material Trailer
Upon the recommendation of the Department of Public Works, Commissioner Bernard Mirling
moved and Mayor Kenneth Klotz seconded to award the bid for Hydraulic Dump Material Trailer to
Versatile Trailer Sales of Gansevoort for $10,238.10. Ayes all.
Approval of Contract -- Alonzo Fireworks
Commissioner Bernard Mirling moved and Mayor Kenneth Klotz seconded to authorize the Mayor
to sign the contract with Alonzo fireworks in the amount of $6,000.00 for the July 4th Family Fun
Day festivities. Commissioner Michael Lenz encouraged the public to make donations to this fund.
Ayes all.
Commissioners of Deeds
Commissioner Bernard Mirling announced the following appointments as Commissioners of Deeds
with a term of two years: James Cornick, Michael Kyne, Michael Salisbury and Edward Moore.
Professional Services - Fiscal Impact Analysis (01-056)
Commissioner Bernard Mirling moved and Mayor Kenneth Klotz seconded to approve professional
services of John Behan of Behan Planning Association for the fiscal impact analysis. Ayes all.
FINANCE
Payroll
Commissioner Michael Lenz moved and Commissioner Bernard Mirling seconded to approve the
following payrolls: April 6, 2001-$263,207.96 and April 13, 2001-$297,244.53.
Warrants
Page 7 of 10
City of Saratoga Springs City Council Meeting Minutes
Tuesday, April 17, 2001
Commissioner Michael Lenz moved and Mayor Kenneth Klotz seconded for the approval and
payment of the 2APR01 #2 - #25 as follows:
General Fund $ 269,930.38
City Center Authority 13,426.94
Water Fund 6,729.70
Sewer Fund 4,802.19
Capital Projects Fund 8,167.93
Special Assessment District 10,225.00
Trust Fund -0-
Debt Service -0-
Community Development $ 8,444.76
TOTAL $ 321,726.90
and MC010411 #2 - #5 as follows:
General Fund $ 130,429.57
City Center Authority 451.48
Water Fund 13,418.81
Sewer Fund 340.23
Capital Project -0-
Special Assessment District -0-
Trust Fund -0-
Debt Service -0-
Community Development $ -0-
TOTAL $ 144,640.09
Ayes all.
Budget Amendments
Commissioner Michael Lenz moved and Mayor Kenneth Klotz seconded to approve the budget
amendments as presented (Attachment A). Ayes all.
Budget Transfers
Commissioner Michael Lenz moved and Mayor Kenneth Klotz seconded to approve the budget
transfers as presented (Attachment B). Ayes all.
Senior Citizen Tax Exemption (01-057)
Commissioner Michael Lenz moved and Commissioner Bernard Mirling seconded the adoption of the
Senior Citizen Tax Exemption as presented (Attachment C). Ayes all.
Page 8 of 10
City of Saratoga Springs City Council Meeting Minutes
Tuesday, April 17, 2001
Local Law #2 -- 2001 -- Disabled Persons Tax Exemption (01-058)
Commissioner Michael Lenz moved and Commissioner Bernard Mirling seconded the adoption of
Local Law #2 Taxation Disabled Persons Tax Exemption. (Attachment D). Ayes all.
Financial Report B 2000
Commissioner Michael Lenz said he would wait to do the full Financial Report for 2000 until all
members are present.
Multipurpose Recreational Facility
Commissioner Michael Lenz said he would begin focusing on looking for a location for a multi-use
facility in the City. He said he believed that the County would fund a certain amount towards this
type of facility. Commissioner Bernard Mirling suggested that the City look into state and federal
funding. Commissioner Michael Lenz said that a task force would be established to review the size
of a facility, location, etc.
Commissioner Michael Lenz said the City may already own an ideal property for the recreation
center. He said there is quite a bit of information that needs to be compiled. He also stated that
he has already spoken with several members of the community.
Mayor Kenneth Klotz pointed out that this is a good time to invest in the community.
Commissioner Michael Lenz added that the City has been very conservative with their spending.
Mayor Kenneth Klotz stated that the Accounts Department saved a significant amount of money
in 2000. Commissioner Michael Lenz added that a few different departments saved a significant
amount of money in 2000.
Supervisor Phillip Klein addressed the Council, and stated that he would urge the City to speak with
the four adjoining municipalities on whether they would like to participate in this proposal. He said
this type of facility could also be a good economic benefit for the City.
Mayor Kenneth Klotz thanked Supervisor Klein for this suggestion saying that it would make
sense.
DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS
Shakespeare in the Park (01-059)
Page 9 of 10
City of Saratoga Springs City Council Meeting Minutes
Tuesday, April 17, 2001
Mayor Kenneth Klotz moved and Commissioner Michael Lenz seconded to authorize the Mayor to
sign the agreement for Shakespeare in the Park. Ayes all.
DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY
No items.
Executive Session
Commissioner Michael Lenz moved and Commissioner Bernard Mirling seconded to adjourn to
executive session and 8:40 p.m.
Ward Sommer v. DEC (01-060)
Mayor Kenneth Klotz moved and Commissioner Bernard Mirling seconded to attain Ward, Sommer
et. al. as legal representative in the pending litigation with DEC. Ayes all.
ADJOURNMENT
Commissioner Bernard Mirling moved and Commissioner Michael Lenz seconded to adjourn the
meeting at 8:55 p.m. Ayes all. There being no further business, Mayor Kenneth Klotz adjourned
the meeting at 8:55 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Eve-Lynn Woodward
Clerk
Approved:
Page 10 of 10
Get email alerts for Saratoga Springs
A daily email when new agendas and minutes are posted.