City Council
Regular MeetingSaratoga Springs, NY · August 7, 2001
Minutes
City Council Meeting Minutes
Tuesday August 7, 2001
CITY OF SARATOGA SPRINGS
CITY COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES
TUESDAY, August 7, 2001
Present: Mayor Kenneth Klotz
Commissioner of Public Safety, Thomas Curley
Commissioner of Finance, Michael Lenz
Commissioner of Public Works, Thomas McTygue
Commissioner of Accounts, Bernard Mirling
Staff Present: City Attorney Jeffrey Wait
Deputy Commissioner Bruce Brown
Deputy Commissioner Christine Gillmett-Brown
Deputy Commissioner Carol Kennedy
Deputy Commissioner Robert King
Also Present: Supervisor Phil Klein
Supervisor Anthony Scirocco
PUBLIC HEARING
Mayor Kenneth Klotz opened the Public Hearing at 6:50 pm. He said that the public
hearing was on a petition from Craig Skevington for a zoning map amendment that would
change the zoning of his property at 700 Crescent Avenue from Water Related Business
District to that of Rural Residential One. He stated that the petition has received a
favorable advisory opinion from both the City and the County Planning Boards. Mayor
Klotz asked for questions from the City Council and he asked if anyone in the audience
wished to speak. In that there were no questions from the audience and no further
discussion from the table, Mayor Klotz closed the Public Hearing at 6:53 pm.
CALL TO ORDER
Mayor Klotz called the City Council meeting to order at 7:00 pm.
PRIVILEGE OF THE FLOOR
Mayor Klotz said that Mary Song had wanted to speak in regards to an item on the Public
Works agenda, item number three, the Scoping of Saratoga Lake. Mary Song said she
had questions on the seeking of alternative sources of water. Mayor Klotz explained to
her that the privilege of the floor is an opportunity to express an opinion about an item on
the City Council meeting agenda. She said that basically there are several areas of
concern in the scoping document including how the alternate sources of water are being
studied. She said she would like the study to look at the Upper Hudson not only as part of
what has been proposed as a County Water Authority, nor that the City should buy their
water from Queensbury, but instead the City might possibly put a pipe in and develop its
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own treatment plants perhaps with other communities. She said in summation that she
wants these other sources to be looked at seriously with enough funding put in place that
the City can do an adequate assessment of where the City should get their water.
Commissioner McTygue said that the third item on his agenda regarding the
authorization for further scoping on Saratoga Lake deals with all of the concerns that
Mary Song mentioned.
MAYOR'S DEPARTMENT
Saratoga Lake Association: Weed Control Program
Mayor Klotz introduced Dr. Dweck of the Saratoga Lake Improvement and Protection
District. Mayor Klotz said that the organization listed on the agenda is the wrong one, so
he asked Dr. Dweck to explain the difference between the two organizations. Dr. Dweck
said that the Saratoga Lake Association is a group of people interested in the lake itself.
The group is comprised primarily of property owners around the lake, and the dues are
twenty-five dollars per year, and their missions are road clean up, eliminating water
pollution, the zebra mussels and the water source project. He said that they are a group
that is interested in the continuation of using the lake for recreational purposes and
preserving the lake.
He said that the Saratoga Lake Protection and Improvement District was formed as a
governmental body charged to supervise, control and basically take care of Saratoga
Lake. Dr Dweck said he is not sure of the exact ideas behind the formation of this group
but there was legislation involved. He said that there was one commissioner appointed
from each town and municipality and one at large. Dr. Dweck said that he is now the
Commissioner at Large and is representing “SLIPD” tonight.
He said that a few weeks ago his board passed the budget that he circulated among the
City Council members. He said that in the past each of the towns and the County gave a
certain amount of money annually to help with the organization’s budget. He said that the
previous five years, including 2001, the City of Saratoga Springs gave $3750 and the
other towns gave $2500. He said that the organization feels that their normal operating
expenses have gone up tremendously, for example there are now three employees rather
than two harvesting the weeds on the Lake. He said he is asking for ten thousand dollars
from each of the towns and Cities and for ten thousand dollars from the County because
their budget needs to be increased.
Mayor Klotz questioned the budget item under expenditures in the proposed budget,
professional fees: water source - $100,000. Dr. Dweck said that is an expense that is
dealing with the City’s water source project that might pay for Engineers, possibly legal
representation. Dr. Dweck said that five Commissioners on the SLIPD Board are not in
favor of the water source project, but Dr. Dweck said he understands that the City needs
more water or will need more water and has to get it from some place. He said that the
group wants the Lake to stay the way it is but that somehow the two entities must work
together to establish a winning solution for all involved. He said that the one hundred
thousand dollars is a projection of professional expenses that is going to come from an
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increase in the Ad Valorem tax from the property owners. Mayor Klotz asked if SLIPD
would be opposed to using Saratoga Lake as a water source even if it had no effect
whatsoever on the recreational uses of the Lake. Dr. Dweck said it was difficult to
answer for five people, but he said he is certain that recreation is the primary concern,
although some are worried about the water levels.
Mayor Klotz said this is something that the council may want to think about because they
want to work cooperatively with the SLIPD, but he is concerned that there is a possibility
that what the City would be funding is lawsuits against the City because the group is
asking for money from the City but there is a large item that seems to be for legal
expenses. Dr. Dweck denied this. Mayor Klotz asked Dr. Dweck if he would consider
an agreement that the City would give ten thousand dollars for weed control, but the
district would agree to reimburse the City for any legal expenses it incurred as a result of
any lawsuits that SLIPD directed toward the City. Mayor Klotz wondered if it would be
conceivable to put into the agreement that the City would give the district ten thousand
dollars toward the budget, but in the agreement it would state that if SLIPD initiates a
lawsuit against the City, that SLIPD would bear the City’s legal expenses so that the City
would not face further expense when it is helping the district. Dr. Dweck said that he
would have to bring that agreement to his commission for a vote.
Mayor Klotz said he would love to see some language where the district and the City
agreed to an open exchange of information, a commitment to acting on the basis of
factual data and objective studies of this matter, including to expand the agreement a little
to develop a relationship where the two entities are working constructively together.
Commissioner McTygue said that there are some documents that Dr. Dweck could take
with him tonight if he signs an affidavit. He said that Dr. Dweck might want to stay
through the public works agenda to hear the information that will be presented in the
discussion of further scoping for Saratoga Lake.
Commissioner Mirling said that the water source issue could be confusing. He said that it
is obvious that doing anything that would restrict the use of Saratoga Lake would restrict
the property values of the people who lived there and would have a detrimental effect on
the economic impact of the lake. He said, therefore as a City councilman he does not
want to do something that is going to be harmful to his fellow citizens in general, he feels
it would also be foolish and detrimental from the City’s standpoint. He wants everyone
to understand that as the possibility of Saratoga Lake as a potential water source and as
other alternatives are studied, if the facts that are received indicate any possible
detrimental effects from using the lake as a water source then the City council should not
support it. He said that at this time, the emphasis should be on gathering information and
being prepared to react according to what that information is. He said that it is important
to note that it is not in the best interest of the City Council to do anything detrimental to
the lake anymore than it is in the interest of the people that live on the lake or own
property there.
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Upgrades
Mayor Klotz said that at Commissioner McTygue’s request he is going to schedule one
more meeting on the upgrades for City Hall employees. He said he hoped to be voting on
the ones that have been proposed for many months but he is willing to have another
meeting in an attempt to come up with a package upon which everyone can agree. Mayor
Klotz said he would have Linda Benton call around for availability and tentatively
schedule a special meeting possibly on Thursday August 16 at 6:30 pm to go directly to
Executive Session to discuss upgrades. The Mayor said that no formal action would be
taken, but the City Council must meet as a council and then retire to executive session.
Commissioner Curley asked if he could bring his proposed upgrades to the executive
session also. The Mayor said that anyone of the Commissioners who have such
proposals could bring them to this special session.
Endorse State Legislation Regarding Historic Housing (01-123)
Mayor Klotz said he would like City Council support for him to send a letter to the
appropriate organizations endorsing legislation regarding Historic Housing. There are
two pieces of legislation that the legislature is considering: One is a part of a large
international code project and as an amendment to this code there is a section on the
rehabilitation of existing structures. A number of organizations are encouraging the
legislature to make this as flexible as possible so it is as easy as possible to preserve
historic structures. Mayor Klotz thinks this is significant to the City of Saratoga Springs
and he would like City Council support on this. Mayor Klotz said that the second and
related piece of legislation is a proposal for New York State income tax credit for
rehabilitation of historic homes and he would like the City Council to go on record
supporting that as well. Mayor Kenneth Klotz moved and Commissioner Bernard
Mirling seconded for the City Council to endorse the two initiatives toward historic
housing as presented. Ayes all
Authorize Letter from Mayor to Legislators Supporting NYRA’s OTB Proposal (01-124)
Mayor Klotz said he has already sent a letter on his own without claiming council support
regarding the New York Racing Association’s off-track betting proposal. The City of
New York is recommending that OTB be sold to Magna Entertainment Corporation
which is a private corporation based in Canada. Mayor Klotz said that the New York
Racing Association had a proposal for the purchase of OTB which was not selected by
the City of New York, but since the proposal needs to be approved by the New York
State Legislature, he would like City Council support for the NYRA position. Mayor
Klotz moved and Commissioner Bernard Mirling seconded that the City Council
endorse the NYRA proposal to purchase OTB, thereby opposing the Magna
proposal, and authorize the Mayor to represent that view in any further
communications with the legislatures.
Commissioner Lenz said that the County had a meeting today and endorsed NYRA. Phil
Klein said that the County Racing Committee of which Supervisor Scirocco is a member
met today and discussed the issue. Phil Klein said that a number of other people spoke
on the issue of purchasing the New York City OTB. The County Racing Committee
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adopted a resolution asking the Law & Finance Committee and the rest of the County
Board of Supervisors’ support for a resolution that would go to all of the legislators of
each surrounding county, and the New York State Association of Counties (NYSAC)
explaining the economic impact of the decision that Mayor of New York City has made
regarding the recommendation that MAGNA obtain the New York City OTB. Phil Klein
said this decision effects virtually all of the racetracks in New York State, not only the
three that NYRA runs. He said that the County intends to alert the legislation of the
pitfalls of the decision that Mayor Guiliani would like to have the State Legislature and
the Governor make.
Commissioner Lenz asked who is ultimately responsible for such a decision? Supervisor
Klein responded that the decision must be approved by both the Senate and the Assembly
and then it goes to the Governor for his approval. Supervisor Klein said no one knows
how the Governor feels about this legislation. Mayor Klotz said he wants to second what
Supervisor Klein is saying because this sale to Magna could have a negative economic
impact upon the racetrack in the City of Saratoga Springs. Commissioner McTygue said
that the entire upstate region would be affected by this decision because the people
brought to this region because of the racetrack stay in hotels and eat at the restaurants and
shop in the stores of the upstate region. Commissioner McTygue said the key person to
get the message to is Senator Bruno. Ayes all
Presentation: Cities for Climate Protection Report
Nikki Olsen, the City’s summer intern gave her final presentation on the Cities for
Climate Protection Project findings. She said that she studied energy use by City
operations and she took a community emission inventory. She said that emissions gases
such as carbon dioxide and methane gas are released into the atmosphere and they trap
more heat, and gradually this has brought on Global Warming which causes an increase
in precipitation, an increase in hot days, lower levels in river flow, lake levels and ground
water, and an increase in tick populations.
Nikki said that in Saratoga Springs the percentages of emissions gas are 25% from
Residential, 28% Industrial; 29% transportation, 21% commercial and 2% waste.
Saratoga Springs is slightly above average with around 18 tons of emissions gas per
person. She said that high amounts of energy use equals high costs. The largest
contributors of gas emissions in this community are vehicle gasoline, industrial
electricity, and commercial electricity.
Nikki Olsen reported that in the base year of 1999, the percentage of gas emissions from
water and sewage was 28%, and from City buildings was 36%. The Casino, Ice Rinks
and the Drink Hall have the largest loss of energy, so the departments should look into
existing insulation and windows and find out why there is such a high loss of energy in
these buildings.
She explained that the idea of this program is to pick a target year to aim for reducing
energy use. She said the City should choose a reduction target for example to be at 10%
below 1999 levels by 2010. She advised that the City should form a task force to identify
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areas of energy inefficiency and adopt appropriate reduction measures, and reduce overall
emissions. She said that the City should lead by example.
Report: Real Estate Committee (01-125)
Mayor Klotz said that this item is based upon a recommendation of the City’s Real Estate
Committee. He called upon City Attorney Jeffrey Wait to explain. City Attorney Wait
said that a homeowner in the vicinity of Staffords Bridge Road and Meadowbrook Road
became aware that the City owned a small parcel, about 50’ by 250’on this intersection
and they want to purchase that land. It is primarily wooded and wetlands and the potential
buyers want to see it stay that way. The Real Estate Committee said they would sell it for
two thousand dollars. Mayor Kenneth Klotz moved and Commissioner Bernard
Mirling seconded to accept the recommendation of the Real Estate Committee and
accept the proposal of Alice Kaplan to purchase the parcel for $2,000. Ayes all
Confirmation of Approval by Memo: Camp Saradac Trip
Mayor Kenneth Klotz moved and Commissioner Thomas McTygue seconded to
confirm a previous approval by memo of a change in the Camp Saradac trip
schedule. Ayes all
Confirmation of Approval by Memo: Solomon Northrup Day
Mayor Kenneth Klotz moved and Commissioner Michael Lenz seconded to confirm
a previous approval by memo to provide $600 to help with the expenses of Solomon
Northrup Day. Ayes all
Declaration: National Alcohol and Drug Addiction Recovery Month (01-126)
Mayor Klotz said he has been asked to announce the naming of September as National
Alcohol and Drug Addiction Recovery month. He said this is an initiative of the Federal
Department of Health and Community Services in collaboration with a lot of local
organizations and so, on behalf of the City of Saratoga Springs, Mayor Klotz declared
September as National Alcohol and Drug Addiction Recovery Month.
Report: County Sales Tax Formula
Mayor Klotz said that in the deliberations that the County has undertaken in regard to a
new sales tax formula which would not include Saratoga Springs, there is an opportunity
for this City to get an additional $400,000 in supplemental funding allocation. The group
that studied the Sales Tax formula, KPMG, had noted that this opportunity was a
possibility and that this kind of allocation would be available but it was not factored into
their calculations. Mayor Klotz announced that the County has conceded that the City
will get this amount. He said that this is good news and it confirms one of the
conjectures made when the City Council decided that they should levy their own tax.. He
said it more than erases the projection of the “worse case scenario” for a slight shortfall.
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Commissioner Mirling reported about a news article that the County’s fiscal figures were
available. He said he has been assuming that these figures were not obtainable from the
County because that is what has been said. He said that if the County Chief Financial
Officer can get the final fiscal figures then the Finance Commissioner of Saratoga
Springs should be able to get these figures. Commissioner Lenz said he has called the
Department of Taxation and Finance and the Office of Tax Analysis and requested these
figures and indicated that the County got them. He said that that information will help
the City internally, especially during the budget process. Commissioner Mirling does not
see why the overall total aggregate information could not made public once these figures
are obtained. Mayor Klotz said this information will help the council in their planning.
Approve Cuccio Easement Request (01-127)
Assistant City Attorney Tony Izzo explained that every so often someone does a survey
of their property and finds out that a certain piece of their property encroaches on a City
Right of Way. He said that this is an easement request regarding the house at 68
Beekman Street, owned by Chris Cuccio and Lynn Urell. He said that the over all
encroachment onto City property is about six inches of a porch eve that overhangs in the
City Right of Way on Oak and on Beekman Streets. This has existed since the 1930’s.
Mayor Kenneth Klotz moved and Commissioner Bernard Mirling seconded to
approve the easement request for 68 Beekman Street and authorize the Mayor to
sign all documents required to bring about the transfer and grant the easement.
Ayes all
Appointments (01-128)
Mayor Kenneth Klotz announced the reappointment of Jim Grande to the Downtown
Special Assessment District. His term expired at the end of June and he is re-appointed
effective July 1, 2001.
Report: Impact of Pallette Stone Operations on Residential Neighbors
Mayor Klotz reported that there was a meeting last week before the City Planning Board
on the problem of noise and stone dust from the Pallette Stone Quarry. He said this
problem has been extensive in the last one to two years concerning the operations of
Pallette Stone on the west side of this City. The Mayor said he wants everyone to be
aware that this problem has come repeatedly to the Mayor’s attention, and might be
solved by a Noise Ordinance, but he will keep the City Council and the public informed.
He said that the City Attorney is looking into options to try to come up with a win-win
solution. Mayor Klotz said that neighbors say they are kept up all night with this
company’s twenty-four hour operations, and they are worried about health risks due to
the stone dust.
Niagara Mohawk Easement: Children’s Museum (01-129)
Assistant City Attorney Tony Izzo said that this is a Niagara Mohawk easement brought
to his attention by Randy Martin. He said that in order to get appropriate service for the
Children’s Museum from Niagara Mohawk, they have to run wires across lands of the
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City on Lake Avenue. He said that it is a rather standard form of an easement: the power
lines go across City property and Niagara Mohawk has the opportunity to go and
maintain those lines as it sees fit. He said this is standard and nothing out of the ordinary.
Kenneth Klotz moved and Commissioner Bernard Mirling seconded to approve the
Niagara Mohawk easement request and authorize the Mayor to sign all documents
required to bring about the easement transfer and grant the easement. Ayes all
Announcement: Charter Review Meeting
Mayor Klotz wants to remind the City Council and the public that the next meeting for
the Charter Review meeting with the City Council is scheduled for next Monday August
13, 2001 at 7 o’clock He said that the Charter Review has requested one more
opportunity to hear from City Council members about their proposed new charter.
Executive Session
Mayor Klotz requested an executive session to discuss a labor contract.
ACCOUNTS DEPARTMENT
Approval of City Council Minutes
Commissioner Bernard Mirling moved and Commissioner Michael Lenz seconded
to approve the minutes of the June 28, 2001 Special City Council Meeting.
Commissioner Curley mentioned he had requested three minor editorial changes for
clarification purposes. Commissioner Lenz wanted to clarify with City Attorney Wait the
fact that when the council passed the resolution to terminate its agreement with the
County and vacate the tax formula, it was a decision and not an intent. Mr. Wait
acknowledged this to be true. Commissioner Lenz stated that this point is indicated in the
minutes. Ayes all
Vote on Skevington Property Re-zoning (01-130)
Commissioner Bernard Mirling moved and Mayor Kenneth Klotz seconded for the
issuance of negative SEQR determination and for the adoption of the ordinance to
change the zoning of the property at 700 Crescent Avenue from “Water Related
Business District” to “Rural Residential-1”. Commissioner Mirling said this was the
topic of tonight’s public hearing. Ayes all
Commissioner of Deeds
Commissioner Bernard Mirling announced the appointment of the following individuals
as Commissioner of Deeds with a term of two years.
James Bell Robert Dennis Keith Pellegri
Travis Carter Laura Ennis Vanessa Rose
Christopher Cole Patrick O’Leary Kristin VanWert
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Award of Bid: Heating System Improvements 320 Broadway (01-131)
Upon the recommendation of the City Engineer, Commissioner Bernard Mirling
moved and Commissioner Thomas McTygue seconded for the approval of the
award of bid for heating system improvements on 320 Broadway to Boyce & Drake
of Saratoga Springs in the amount of $11,315.00. They were the only bidder. Ayes all
Approval for Mayor to Sign Contract for Annual Reassessment Consultant (01-132)
Commissioner Bernard Mirling moved and Mayor Kenneth Klotz seconded for
approval for the Mayor to sign a contract with J.F. Ryan Associates in the amount
of $27,000 for property assessment consulting services. Commissioner Lenz asked
where the money is coming from and Commissioner Mirling responded that it is coming
out of his budget. He said that this will be for the first phase of the process then the cost
and action for the next phase will be determined. He said this is the beginning of an
annual reassessment process, which seems to be the best way to maintain equitable
assessments.
Discussion: Open Space Bond Act
Commissioner Mirling said that regarding Local Law number five which was passed at
the last City Council meeting, Assistant City Attorney Tony Izzo was doing research for
the Charter Revision Committee and found that Article 4 Section 36 of the Municipal
Home Rule Law precludes the City from having the Bond Act on the ballot if a Charter
Revision is on the ballot. Commissioner Mirling said that some people thought that the
Bond Act could be made a part of the Charter, but he said that since the requirement is to
wait 60 days after the general election, he would prefer to take that approach and place
the bond act referendum on the ballot at the Statewide Primary in March. There were no
comments from the council.
DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE
Approve Payrolls
Commissioner Michael Lenz moved and Commissioner Bernard Mirling seconded
to approve the payroll for 07/20/01 in the amount of $311,704.39; the payroll for
07/27/01 in the amount of $332,815.92 and the payroll for 08/03/01 in the amount of
$326,149.04. Ayes all
Approve Warrants
Commissioner Michael Lenz moved and Commissioner Bernard Mirling seconded
to approve the following warrants:
1AUG01 – Warrant 2 – 50
General Fund $ 536,713.32
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City Center Authority 3,728.03
Water Fund 63,867.10
Sewer Fund 6,041.80
Capital Projects Fund 63,370.30
Special Assessment District 175.00
Trust Fund -0-
Debt Service -0-
Community Development 3,129.23
Total Warrant $ 677,024.78
Ayes all
MC072001 – WARRANT 2
General Fund $ 46.54
City Center Authority -0-
Water Fund -0-
Sewer Fund -0-
Capital Project -0-
Special Assessment District -0-
Trust Fund -0-
Debt Service -0-
Community Development 15.00
Total Warrant $ 61.54
Ayes all
MC010725 – Warrant 2 – 7
General Fund $ 215,759.56
City Center Authority 9,517.47
Water Fund 42,336.04
Sewer Fund 1,836.53
Capital Projects Fund -0-
Special Assessment District -0-
Trust Fund -0-
Debt Service -0-
Community Development -0-
Total Warrant $ 269,449.60
Ayes all
MC010801 – Warrant 2 – 4
General Fund $ 36,895.29
City Center Authority -0-
Water Fund 247.99
Sewer Fund -0-
Capital Projects Fund -0-
Special Assessment District -0-
Trust Fund -0-
Debt Service -0-
Community Development -0-
Total Warrant $ 37,143.28
Ayes all
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Approve Budget Amendments (see attached)
Commissioner Michael Lenz moved and Commissioner Bernard Mirling seconded
to approve the budget amendments as distributed. Ayes all
Approve Budget Transfers (see attached)
Commissioner Michael Lenz moved and Mayor Kenneth Klotz seconded to approve
the budget transfers as distributed. Ayes all
DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS
Commissioner McTygue announced the paving schedule for the week of August 13
through August 16.
Discussion – Niagara Mohawk Rt. 50 So. Arterial Lights
Commissioner McTygue said that there is no lighting at the south end of the arterial on
Route 50, and for the last two years the City has been at an impasse over the South
arterial lights on route 50. He explained that the State hired private contractors to install
lights there that turned out to be unacceptable to Niagara Mohawk. NiMo would not
accept these lights for maintenance. Commissioner McTygue said that there have been
numerous meetings with both the State and Niagara Mohawk to resolve this issue and get
these lights up and running. He said Niagara Mohawk finally agreed to install new light
fixtures and wire from pole to pole and bill us accordingly, but the cost to the City will
initially be $3472 for the removal of the old light fixtures and an additional annual charge
of $7455 for the rental of the lamps and the wires. He said these charges are in addition
to the annual energy charge of $3371 for the lighting.
Commissioner McTygue said this does not seem fair that the City has to pay an
additional annual cost of $7455 per year for the existence of these lights. He said it is a
matter of fact that the State did the project without the NiMo’s approval of the materials
used for the project. He said that the City has had Assemblyman D’Andrea involved in
this issue and now help is needed from the City Attorney on this matter. Commissioner
McTygue said that his office will turn all the information over to the City Attorney to see
what could be done in reference to the State of New York on the improper installation of
the lights along the arterial that will not be accepted by NiMo. He said this is a
substantial increase for the City to pay over $7,000 per year for mistakes the State made.
Mayor Klotz commented that the State concedes that they made the mistake so the
question is who is going to pay for that mistake. Commissioner Mirling added that the
City would have to pay over $3300 to take the wrong lights out, and the City did not even
authorize their installation. Commissioner McTygue said that impending legal action may
force them closer to the table for some kind of agreement. He said these lights are along
a highway maintained by the State, along the Route 50 Arterial near the Saratoga
Performing Arts Center, and it is not a City highway, but it has been dark for some time.
He said he is hoping that a few calls from the City Attorney may solve this problem.
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Ratify Waives of Bids-LaPan Foundry, MC Environmental Services and Sanders Fire &
Safety Company
Commissioner Thomas McTygue moved and Commissioner Thomas Curley
seconded to confirm the waive of bid for an expenditure previously approved by
memo to LaPan Foundry in the amount of $3150 for decorative iron fencing for the
old reservoir restoration project. Commissioner McTygue said the money for this project
is in the capital budget. Ayes all
Commissioner Thomas McTygue moved and Mayor Kenneth Klotz seconded to
confirm an expenditure previously approved by memo to MC Environmental
Services of Glens Falls in the amount of $4611.20 for removal and disposal of gas
and water that leaks into the containment area at the City Garage. Commissioner
McTygue said that a canopy is being built over the gas tanks so that this will not happen
again. He said the money is in the budget for this item. Ayes all
Commissioner Thomas McTygue moved and Mayor Kenneth Klotz seconded to
confirm an expense previously approved by memo to Sanders Fire and Safety
Company of Mechanicville in the amount of $1352 to replace the existing Ansel
System in the kitchen of the Canfield Casino. He explained that the current system is
outdated and parts cannot be found for the repairs. Commissioner McTygue said the
money is in the budget for this. Ayes all
Discussion & Authorization for Further Scoping for Saratoga Lake (01-133)
Commissioner McTygue said that his office is looking into doing additional scoping for
the Saratoga Lake project to update the City Council on the progress and the status of the
scoping project. He called upon Rich Straut, an Engineer from Barton & Loguidice
Engineering. At the request of Mayor Klotz, Mr. Straut explained the process of creating
the draft document, eliciting public input and submitting the Final Scoping Document on
July 17 when it was officially adopted by the City Council. He explained that the project
has been downsized, for example originally the project included an allocation of the
potential sale of water to outside communities, but now the proposed alternative has been
revised to suggest the sale as an alternative option.
Some of the changes to the original scope of the project include the idea of developing
groundwater sources, purchasing water from the Town of Queensbury; using Lake
Lonely; the upper Hudson River; the Great Sacandaga Lake; using Interlaken which is a
series of wells that serve the Interlaken Subdivision as part of the ground water initiative;
using different methods of developing Saratoga Lake such as taking the water from the
deeper portion of the Lake, or using alternative locations along Fish Creek. He assured
the City Council that the alternatives are going to be looked at thoroughly and evaluated
to the extent that they are practical and make sense. He said that alternatives have been
and will be thoroughly examined.
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Commissioner Lenz wants to clarify that what Richard Straut is mentioning now is in the
Final Scoping Document that the City Council approved on July 17, and Rich Straut
confirmed this.
Mr. Straut explained said that the Draft Environmental Impact Statement (DEIS) will be
completed later than anticipated because his company wants to be thorough. He said that
since the scoping of the project, they have learned that the Colonie Channel, a ground
water alternative and it is a productive ground water source. Rich Straut said he is
concerned that some of the suggestions such as such as a comparison of using Saratoga
Lake to using the Colonie Channel, which runs under Saratoga Lake and towards
Colonie. He said that no one knows if the channel has the capacity to serve Saratoga
Springs.
Mayor Klotz asked if there was consideration of secondary sources such as the Geyser
Crest Well Field. Rich said that they are not considering mixing and matching several
small sources as a solution at this point. He said that it is in the best interest of the City to
develop one alternative source such as all ground water, or all surface water sources. He
said that the intention of this project is to find a source that would be an alternative, while
continuing to maintain the existing water sources. Rich Straut explained that the analysis
for this project is to assume that the City is taking all of its water out of Saratoga Lake or
whichever alternative source is being considered as a “worst case scenario”. Mayor
Klotz said that the project concluded that if all the City’s water was being taken from
Saratoga Lake in an ordinary year, there would be very little change in the water level
and if there was a draught in effect, the water level would decrease about two inches
totally. Rich Straut said that that information is based on the worst draught on record in
this area. He said that all the City’s water sources exist within the Saratoga Lake
Watershed so regardless of which water source is used, the lake level is the same. It has
the same effect on the level of all of the water sources. Rich Straut said that although it is
referred to as the Saratoga Lake Scoping Project, the actual title of the project is the City
of Saratoga Springs Water Source Development Project.
Rich Straut said there is a lot of speculation that is being considered as fact but has not
been proven out to be factual. He said one such item is that using Saratoga Lake as a
water source would lower property values and have a negative effect on tourism. He said
that this is not a SEQR issue and it is not part of an environmental review. He said that if
one considers Lake George for example, there has been no negative impact on property
values or tourism, although that lake is used as a water source for a number of
communities.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue moved and Commissioner Bernard Mirling
seconded for the City to engage the services of Barton & Loguidice, Consulting
Engineers, to perform the additional work necessary as an outline to the final
scoping document for the City’s water development project with the cost not to
exceed $130,000. Commissioner McTygue said the money is in the budget in the water
line extension line item. Mayor Klotz observed that the City is taking a responsible
course with an established funding mechanism and plan. He said that the Department has
moved responsibly to maximize the opportunity for public input and the process has been
outstanding. He said this is about safe, clean drinking water for the 26,000 people in the
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City. Commissioner McTygue says it is a serious problem and the City needs to be very
concerned about safe drinking water for this community. He says that the City has gone
above and beyond its responsibility to ensure that all information is available to anyone
who requests it. Ayes all.
Discussion & Vote Spring Brook Run/Malcolm Pirnie Contract (01-134)
Commissioner McTygue said he would like to make a recommendation to hire an
Engineering firm, Malcolm Pirnie, to conduct a comprehensive investigation of all the
sanitary and storm-water sewers within the City of Saratoga Springs’ tributaries of Spring
Run Brook. He called upon City Engineer Paul Male to explain the reason behind this
recommendation. Paul Male said he has been working with City Attorney Jeff Wait and
Dean Sommer of Young & Sommer in an attempt to resolve a consent order that the City
has been involved in for a number of years. He said that there is a document called
schedule A which proposed tasks that the City should do within a specified time frame.
He said the Scope of Services provided to the City Engineer depends upon the resolution
of the consent order. Paul Male said that to do this work, the City should hire the firm of
Malcolm Pirnie for some of it and the City should do a lot of the work itself and not go
out for bid in order to save money.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue moved and Commissioner Bernard Mirling
seconded to hire Malcolm Pirnie in an amount not to exceed $13,500 which will
come out of the funds received from the State for the landfill closure which are
earmarked for improvements in this area. He explained that the commitment to this
project was made when the funds were first received in reference to the closure of the
landfill. Mayor Klotz commented that this is part of the proposal that the City made to
the DEC but since we cannot reach a consent order, the City is moving ahead and fixing
the problem without a consent order. Ayes all .
Authorization of Settlement Agreement with Town of Wilton/Elks (01-135)
Commissioner Thomas McTygue moved and Commissioner Bernard Mirling
seconded for the Mayor to sign a statement of agreement with the Town of Wilton
and the Elks Club. Commissioner McTygue said that the council and everyone
involved has had an opportunity to review the document and have all agreed to this, so
now he is seeking authorization for the Mayor to sign the agreement on behalf of the
City. Mayor Klotz says this formalizes the agreement that all parties reached several
months ago. Commissioner Michael Lenz asked that since Attorney Doug Ward said he
would be billing the City and get paid for the appeal only if the City won, is this
settlement considered a win. Doug Ward responded that regarding the appeal process,
his services have been written off and he would not be billing the City. Ayes all
DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY
Waive of Bid: Police Power Shield Gloves
Commissioner Curley moved and Commissioner Thomas McTygue seconded for
approval of a waive of bid to Rosen Uniforms of 241 Central Avenue, Albany for
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power shield gloves in the amount of $2,376.50. Commissioner Curley explained that
the money is from a grant and the gloves are worn for protection from needle sticks or
contaminants. Commissioner Curley said these are important for the safety of his
Policemen.
Downtown Parking
Commissioner Curley reported on a parking study being conducted by the Chamber of
Commerce, which concerned the mutual interest of the City and the Chamber in how to
attempt to create additional spaces. He said Joe Dalton has put together an overview of
the area with expanded loading zones and many suggestions. Commissioner Curley
explained that Joe Dalton could not be at the meeting tonight to share his measures, and
explain his short versus long term goals. He has indicated that a long-term goal would be
another parking deck. He said that there have been several approaches and strategies
discussed regarding the City's downtown parking situation. Commissioner Curley said
the chamber and parking study committee are conducting a survey of vendors and
delivery areas. He said that at this point, the committee is seeking input from downtown
businesses and looking for ways to pick up small amounts of parking spaces, gradually
for a short-term solution. He said eventually, some of the zones may need to be timed
differently working and they are working with the merchants on this aspect.
Commissioner Curley said that the hand held computers for the Parking Enforcement
Officers will help establish more data to assist in the strategizing for a long term solution.
He said he wants to let the City Council know that it is also being considered to have two
full time Parking Enforcement Officers downtown if the parking revenues prove to exist.
Executive Session
Commissioner Curley requested that the City Council go to Executive Session to discuss
personnel issues.
EXECUTIVE SESSION
Commissioner Bernard Mirling moved and Mayor Kenneth Klotz seconded to go
into Executive Session for the purpose of discussing labor contracts. Ayes all.
ADJOURNMENT
The City Council returned from Executive Session at 9:15 PM and no official action had
been taken at the session. Commissioner Thomas McTygue moved and Mayor
Kenneth Klotz seconded to adjourn the meeting. Seeing no further business, Mayor
Klotz closed the meeting at 9:16 pm. Ayes all
Respectfully submitted,
Nancy Wagner
Adopted: Clerk
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