City Council
Regular MeetingSaratoga Springs, NY · December 4, 2001
Minutes
City Council Meeting Minutes
Tuesday, December 4, 2001
CITY OF SARATOGA SPRINGS
CITY COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES
TUESDAY DECEMBER 4, 2001
Present: Mayor Kenneth Klotz
Commissioner of Finance, Michael Lenz
Commissioner of Public Works, Thomas McTygue
Commissioner of Public Safety, Thomas Curley
Commissioner of Accounts, Bernard Mirling
Staff Present: City Attorney Jeffrey Wait
Deputy Commissioner Christine Gillmett-Brown
Deputy Commissioner Bruce Brown
Deputy Commissioner Carol Kennedy
Also Present: Supervisor Anthony Scirocco
Supervisor Phil Klein, excused
PUBLIC HEARING: Proposed Local Law No. 8 2001, Taxi Ordinance
Mayor Klotz opened the public hearing at 6:30 pm. He called upon Assistant City Attorney Tony
Izzo to explain the law and the changes proposed. Tony Izzo said that the last time this ordinance
had been amended was in 1988. He said that this proposal changes the zone system; the fee
structure, mandates shields and gives 18 months for compliance, requires no-smoking signs,
deletes shared ride concept that was in the last proposal that was tabled in October; and stipulates
that any child under twelve hiring a taxi must have the consent of an adult. Tony said that the
zone system, section 215-12 reduces the number of zones to four and attempts to simplify it.
Commissioner McTygue asked why the committee has insisted on shields and what happens in
case the driver didn't want a shield. Gail Capobianco of the taxi committee said that the
committee reviewed a number of studies showing that the shields reduced crime and protected the
drivers and offers protection for the passenger, and do not interfere with communication with the
driver. She said that if the driver chooses to let someone sit in the front of the taxi, that is their
choice. She said that the shields are not expensive, are a good safety feature and the drivers have
been given eighteen months to have them installed in their cars.
Larry Kupper, President of Saratoga Taxi and George's Ballston Taxi, said he was surprised to be
here again just a few weeks after the original proposal was tabled. He said that he had expected to
be included in a meeting with other owners, drivers, the committee members and the
Commissioner to discuss problems with the proposed ordinance. He said there was no meeting,
but instead they made a few minor changes without sitting down to listen to the concerns of the
taxi owners and drivers, and tried to push the proposal through the process. He said the ordinance
puts an undue burden on the owners and with all respect, their point of view should have been
solicited and considered before making the changes, especially for the second time. Larry Kupper
referred to section 215-15 paragraph C, referring to the marking of taxicabs, that all taxi cabs of
the same company shall be painted the same color at the discretion of the Commissioner of
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Accounts. Mr. Kupper said the name of the company is on the top-light and the side panels and
people know whom they called. He questioned why the entire vehicle had to be re-painted, and
re-lettered to be in compliance with the ordinance. He said that to comply with this regulation
will cost him about $4500, and since no leeway of time was given like the eighteen months for the
shields, the rule could be immediately enforced. He said he does not see the necessity of this
clause. Mr. Kupper commented that he does not think that the Commissioners should pass the
ordinance if it is going to create hardship on the owners and drivers. His strongest objection is
that the owners and drivers were not invited to sit down and discuss the revisions with the
Commissioner.
Commissioner McTygue said that Mr. Kupper had objected to the Shared Ride clause and that
was eliminated. He asked Larry Kupper to list his other objections.
Mr. Kupper said that a fingerprinting fee was included of $50.00 and a new paragraph that calls
for motor vehicle inspections every six months, which is excessive since the Department of Motor
Vehicles mandated inspections every year. He said that if there is a reason, a basis for change,
then those in the taxi business should be apprised as to what that basis is, such as dilapidated cars.
He said that rates were changed but the zones have been the same for 22 years and yet they are
changed in the proposed ordinance. He said that with the change, a driver could stay on the outer
edge of the City and travel miles for six dollars. He said that none of these changes is in response
to any public outcry. He said he believes that the committee which did not include anyone in the
taxi business did the changes.
Tony Izzo commented and Gail Capobianco affirmed that that the provision on the marking of the
taxis has been in the ordinance but the change to reflect different paint was a long-term thought
that in the future it would be a better identification process.
Gail Capobianco said that all meetings were open and she personally called all owners to each
meeting. She said that of the ones that attended, some voiced their opinion and just because they
didn't get everything they wanted does not mean they weren't heard. She said that between the
suggestions of the owners and drivers that attended the meetings and the research that the
committee did, they came up with what was thought to be the best recommendations for the
proposed ordinance. She said the committee met repeatedly over a nine-month period and
reviewed the existing ordinance and the proposal line after line, with only a few closed sessions.
She said that nothing was done behind anyone's back, the committee was open and begged the
owners for information.
Mr. Kupper commented hat the primary reason given by the committee representative here
tonight is that someday the changes will be applicable to conditions in the City, but now, they are
not because crime is not high, there are not twenty taxi companies in Saratoga Springs, and cars
are not falling apart.
Brett Peak of Capitaland Taxi said that he operates taxis in five different Cities and there are
differences in rates and rate structures, but most of the proposed ordinance is similar or exactly
the same as ones in these other areas. He said that he attended every meeting and had input at
each one and although he doe not agree with every thing, he believes that the committee has
accomplished its goals. He said that rate increases are needed because his costs have been
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escalating especially insurance and fuel. He said that his main goal in the process was to get a
rate increase and although he does not like the proposed zones, he can live with them. He said
that in New York State, any municipality with a population over 75,000 must have shields in all
taxis. He said that he has shields in all of his taxis because they protect drivers, and he hires
women, so it was worth it to provide safety for workers comp purposes. He said that with shields,
not having them always results in a public outcry for them when something happens. He said he
has had no complaints from the drivers about the shields. He said he doesn't know why the other
companies are not begging for them, especially in light of the incident of this past summer. He
said that it is up to the drivers whether they allow someone to ride in the front.
Mr. Peek said in regard to fingerprints, the fifty dollars is payable to the Department of Criminal
Justice Services for a criminal background check, and it is a one-time charge. He said that his
company covers the cost for their drivers. He said pertaining to the colors of vehicles, he wants to
be separated and stand out from the other companies. He said in summary that the changes have
accomplished the goals of changing a 40 to 50 year old ordinance to bring it up to date.
John Lasher, 20 Albany Street, said that shields are not necessary because this is a unique City,
not Albany, Schenectady or Troy, and here the drivers do not just drive a cab, they wait on
people. They are personable to people and he resents the shields and sees them as a barrier to the
kind of service he provides.
Commissioner Curley said that for a point of clarification there is a ten dollar fee charged by the
Saratoga Springs Police Department for fingerprinting, and a mandatory fifty dollar charge
payable to the New York State Department of Criminal Justice Services for a background check
which is not a City charge.
Stephen Towne, East Avenue, Accounts Commissioner elect, said that he was not at the City
Council meeting when this amended ordinance was first discussed, and it was obviously a heated
discussion sufficient to table the vote at the time. He said that it is his understanding that there
has been no re-convening of the Taxi Committee, and there has been no communication with the
vested parties that are impacted by this ordinance, so any changes put forth in this proposal have
been unilaterally made by the current Commissioner, which he finds at odds with the open
government approach that was advocated during that commissioner's administration He
encourages the council to entertain the idea of tabling the vote until he can have an opportunity
when he takes office to examine it and make any changes he deems appropriate.
John Lewis of J.J.'s Taxi said that he needs to be able to put his seat all the way back to stretch his
legs because of his arthritis, so shields would be so detrimental to him that he would no longer be
able to stay in business. He also finds that shields make it almost impossible for large people to
fit into the back seat.
Gene Fallick, driver for Saratoga Taxi, said that shields should be an option. He said that he is
six feet eight inches tall so he has no room in a car with a shield. He said that shields also impede
ventilation. He said he has been in the taxi business for years and never had a shield in a taxi. He
said that in Saratoga Springs, you know almost everyone you pick up and he has never had a
problem, even in August. He said that in regard to mandating fingerprinting, if there are problems
out there, the Commissioner of Accounts Office licenses these drivers so if there are complaints,
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then they should be bringing the drivers in and reviewing their license and possibly suspending
the license.
He said that as far as the rates go, transporting Senior Citizens to Care Lane, 1 West Avenue, for
four dollars is too much money. He said that from Stonequist to 1 West Avenue, they just had to
raise it to $2.50, now the ordinance says $4.00. He said that the seniors do not own cars, and
most no longer drive. He said that the new rates have drivers going from the south end of the lake
to Geyser Crest for six dollars, when right now that rate is $9.75. He said that he does not know
where the rates came from.
Richard Madarassy of Saratoga Taxi said that retaining the same zones that are in existence now
and raising the rates fifty cents across the board would have been sufficient with the Seniors
getting fifty cents off. Mr. Madarassy said that only Brett Peek was included in the discussion on
rates. Commissioner Mirling said that every member of every cab company and every member of
the public were invited to every meeting and cab owners were not just invited in general, they
were invited by telephone. Rich Madarassy said he was asked to observe only, but Brett Peek
was asked to participate.
Gail Capobianco said that the committee solicited opinions from those who attended the meetings
and then went into private session so they could discuss things without interruption. She said that
the committee did what they thought was best for the general public with the understanding that
not everything is going to seem equitable to every one.
Brett Peek said that he voluntarily submitted a rate proposal and his rates were higher, with the
mileage taken into account, and the committee did not accept his proposal. He said his main
purpose in this is to get a rate increase.
Mr. Kupper said that he has gone to four meetings in 22 years. He said that prior to this, every
thing was worked out ahead of time in private session and formally approved at the public City
Council meetings without surprises. He said that this is terrible, and the proposed ordinance will
cripple the smaller taxi businesses. He mentioned that Capitaland is yellow and Mr. Peek
probably wants it to remain yellow, so who is going to determine the color of the taxis and by
what method. He said that this needs to be worked out so everyone can come before the council
unified and ask the council for ratification. He said this approach is splintered and is creating an
unfair mess.
Mr. Lasher said that the Mayor and the other four Commissioners have a mandate to the people
and rather than usurp the people's trust the issue should be tabled until Mr. Towne can take office.
Mayor Klotz said that everyone at the table has been elected to serve until December 31..
Mr. Edward Skinkle, Dispatcher for Saratoga Taxi said that the proposal is bad for drivers,
owners, and Seniors, everyone the council is trying to help.
Commissioner Mirling said that the rates established here are maximum rates and the companies
can offer lower rates if they so choose and there is a fifty-cent discount for Senior Citizens. Tony
Izzo confirmed this. He said that the companies can charge less, the rates set forth are maximum
rates.
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Edward Skinkle said Saratoga Taxi has never charged maximum rates. He said that they charge
seventy-five cents extra per person. He implored the City Council to table this and bring in Mr.
Towne and discuss it with some other drivers, customers, and work out the provisions of the
ordinance with the people in the business.
Anthony Yeakle, Driver and dispatcher for Saratoga Taxi said that everyone with the company
supports what the owner, Larry Kupper said. He said that over 80% of the taxis in America are
yellow, so why can't anyone paint their cab yellow if they desired since basically that is how
many people recognize a taxi. He said that the owners should be able to paint their cab any color
they wish. He said the sixty dollars for the fingerprints and background check is too much for
most drivers to afford. He said that the motor vehicle fees are high and renewable each year. He
urged the council to table the ordinance.
Mayor Klotz closed the public hearing on the taxi ordinance at 7:30 pm.
PUBLIC HEARING: Proposed Local Law #9 2001, Deputy Mayor
Mayor Klotz opened the public hearing at 7:35. He explained that the Charter Review
Commission reviewed Section C-25 of the existing charter, particularly the statement "Each
Commissioner shall be entitled to such deputies, employees and laborers, at such compensation
...with appointments to be made by the head of each department." Mayor Klotz said that
discussion at Charter Review and ultimate inclusion in the revised City Charter, which goes into
effect January 2004, was that the Mayor be included in this statement to allow for the option to
have a Deputy Mayor.
Tony Izzo said that this is not a provision that automatically allows that there shall be a Deputy
Mayor, but rather it is a provision that puts the Mayor on equal footing with other members of the
council with regard to the deputies, employees and laborers that the Mayor may be hiring for the
Mayor's Office. Assistant City Attorney said that he added the three words at the beginning of
the statement, "The Mayor and" to the existing 1917 section of the charter. The Mayor said that
the provision and the rest of the revised City Charter would automatically go into effect January
1, 2004 because of the ratification of the new City Charter on November 6, Election Day. Mayor
Klotz said that the passing of this particular local law would create a bridge that would allow the
appointment of a Deputy Mayor to occur prior to the official implementation of the revised City
Charter.
Lee Nelson of Underwood Drive, member of the Charter Review Commission, said that as the
commission carefully studied the functions of the Mayor's and the other offices, it became
increasingly clear that the Mayor's Office has administrative responsibilities as other offices do.
She said she is pleased that the City Council is thinking ahead and planning ahead because the on
January 1, 2004, business will not be just like it is now, and to have the Council making
provisions for adding help to the Mayor. She said that there really needs to be in the Mayor's
Office very concrete help and this transitional period will make such a difference to the City of
Saratoga Springs as they move in toward January 1, 2004 and she commends the council for their
actions.
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Mary Song, Spring Street said that the City passed the Revised City Charter and they have
retained the Commission form of government, and this Local Law puts the Mayor on equal
footing with other Commissioners. She said that perhaps the existing exempt position in the
Mayor's Office could become a clerical, Civil Service position or that position could be upgraded
to the position of Deputy Mayor and a clerical Civil Service position could be added with only
the Deputy as an exempt position rather than both positions.
Steve Towne, of East Avenue said there are great recommendations in the Charter. He said that
the proposal under discussion now is fine but has been taken out of context of the other
recommendations. He said that the council should table, review, and determine which new
Charter provisions can be accelerated as the Charter Review Commission suggested. He said that
he is not being political, and that he is in favor of this proposal but he thinks that in terms of
accelerating some of the provisions, the council might want to consider implementing the changes
in a more comprehensive manner rather than piece-meal.
Elio Del-Sette, Rock Street said that there is going to be a two year period in which a lot of
matters are going to have to be considered and they are going to involve a lot of money. He said
for example, the Mayor is going to have to draw up job specifications for three offices. He said
there is going to have to be a lot of consideration given to the shifting of personnel. He said there
is going to be a lot of preparation in which the City Council and the entire government of the City
of Saratoga Springs has to be involved.
Mr. Del-Sette commented that since the money has been appropriated and is in the budget, and
since the citizens of Saratoga Springs ratified the charter, essentially saying to give the Mayor a
Deputy because it will be necessary for the efficient, effective operation of the government, and
most the council agrees, the public has agreed, the surveys agree, so now is the time to say "Yes"
to a Deputy Mayor because there is a lot more coming in the transitional period over the next two
years. He said that this is one important step, one of many to be taken prior to January 1, 2004,
that would give the Mayor an opportunity to select a competent individual that could make all the
necessary adjustments just like all the other Deputies do on behalf of their Commissioners. He
said he would like to encourage the City Council to adopt the local law just because it is needed.
Mayor Klotz closed the Public Hearing on proposed Local Law number 9 at 7:35 pm.
CALL TO ORDER
Mayor Klotz called the City Council meeting to order at 7:40 pm.
Privilege of the floor: Stephen Towne
Stephen Towne said that the last month he tried in many ways to get himself up to speed to enable
him so there would be little set-up time once he took office., He said that part of that includes
calling and setting up times to get together with the other Commissioners and the Mayor to start
relationship-building, get to know each other, and to know how to work together. He has also
met with a variety of leaders within the community and tried to get an appreciation of some of the
issues facing the new council. He said that as he looked at the agenda, he noticed some items that
should not be acted on this evening. First, he asked the council to consider tabling the Taxi
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Ordinance until he takes office, reviews it within a reasonable time frame, re-submit it for a vote
after having a chance to be involved more intimately with some of the nuances of the ordinance to
see if he could find a better balance than what is out there right now.
Secondly, he said he submitted a letter to Commissioner Mirling and sent the copy to the other
Commissioners and Mayor asking that the council suspend all professional service approvals to
be rendered on behalf of the Niagara Mohawk Certiorari lawsuit. He said that Ben's response was
that this is not an option and not in the best interest of the City, nor of the proceedings that were
going on. He said that in Ben's letter, he did indicate that he did not intend to take any action
between now and January that would alter the status quo that would result in anything but routine
costs.
He said that looking at the agenda, he noticed item number 5, approval of the MDI Contract
which is an association recommended by Lew Lewis as an appraiser. He suspects this is a
request for approval of a contract which would be for about $56,000. He struggles with the
definition of routine costs since an item for $56,000 for an appraisal is on the agenda. He
respectfully asked Commissioner Mirling to table strategy on Ni-Mo and the MDI contract be
until he takes office and with a short lead in time, review the contracts and documents and either
approve existing strategy and move forward or make changes.
Mr. Towne said that on the Purchasing Guidelines, during the past year there have been 139
waives of bid by the City Council which indicates clearly that the current Purchasing Guidelines
are not working. He said since he is within thirty days of taking office, he would like the vote on
the new Purchasing Guidelines to be tabled until he has an opportunity to review them. He said
the guidelines were not sent to him, and he feels that the City of Saratoga Springs would be better
served if he could receive items like this so he is able to "hit the ground running" when he takes
office.
Commissioner McTygue asked Commissioner elect Towne if he wanted them to close down and
wait until he gets here. He said that they have a business to run here and there are things to do.
Stephen Towne said that the other issue he had was about J. Ryan. He said that he was called by
a reporter asking him about a report from J. Ryan that he had not seen Mr. Towne objected to the
fact that a reporter had the report and he, the Commissioner elect to the office affected by the
report did not. He said the reporter had the report on the 24th and it was distributed to the City
Council on the 27th . He said that inclusion in such issues would enable the incoming
Commissioners to work together more effectively as a unit. He said that apparently there is no
protocol for the change in administration. He asked the City Council to strongly consider
adopting some protocol for incoming Commissioners or Mayor.
MAYOR'S DEPARTMENT
Waive of Bid: Xerox
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Mayor Kenneth Klotz moved and Commissioner Thomas McTygue seconded to approve a
waive of bid for a Xerox copy machine for the City Engineer's Office at a cost of $1,977 in
the first year. Mayor Klotz said that the money is in the budget for this item. Ayes all
Authorization for Mayor to Sign Agreement with Salt Lake City Olympic Committee (01-237)
Tony Izzo explained that the City is on the route for the torch procession for the 2002 Winter
Olympic Games this year. He said that the Salt Lake City Olympic Committee has requested that
the City sign an agreement to ensure that there will be adequate Police/Fire/EMS protection and
to establish guidelines in case the City wanted to use any of the emblems or symbols that are
copyrighted. In signing the agreement the City is accepting the rules and guidelines established
by the Olympic Committee regarding the torch procession.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue moved and Commissioner Thomas Curley seconded to
authorize the Mayor to sign the agreement with the Salt Lake City Olympic Committee.
Commissioner Lenz asked if Commissioner Curley was ok with the agreement since a lot of the
stipulations are under his jurisdiction. Commissioner Curley said that this is not unprecedented
since the torch run for the Lake Placid Olympic Games came through the City and there is
probably an established format. He said he has no problem providing the requested services.
Ayes all
Vote: Deputy Mayor (01-238)
Mayor Kenneth Klotz moved and Commissioner Bernard Mirling seconded to approve
proposed Local Law number nine to amend Section C-25 of the City Charter to add the
option of a Deputy Mayor. Commissioner Lenz said that on January 1, 2004 the revised City
Charter should be ready to implement. He asked Assistant Tony Izzo to prepare a report as to
what changes are needed, what requires a Public Hearing, or other special council action. Tony
Izzo said that if the process is not done expeditiously and thoroughly, some changes might require
another referendum
Commissioner Lenz said that Linda Benton has been an excellent Executive Assistant and he
hopes that she is on the short list of potential deputies. He asked Mayor Klotz to review the
workings of the office since it may be more cost effective to have the Deputy and one Civil
Service employee instead of a Deputy and an Executive Assistant. He said that at this time the
combination of the two salaries is near $100,000. He said that this plus the Health Insurance for
the two positions would necessitate about a 1% tax increase.
Mayor Klotz said that he understands that this calls for a lot of thought and consideration and if
the City implemented all of the charter changes at once, it would hamstring itself. He said that
taking things in order might be the way to go. Commissioner Lenz said that this is a learning
process and Tony has an institution of knowledge to guide the council in the implementation of
the new City Charter.
Elio Del-Sette a member of the Civil Service Commissioner and of the Charter Commission said
that the next two years is the transition period. He advised the council to take it cautiously until
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the different non-personnel matters are decided on. He said there will be changes, so the council
should work with Civil Service and be careful to implement revenue neutral.
Ayes all
Appointments (01-239)
Mayor Klotz announced the appointment of the following individuals to the City Center task
Force: Gordon Boyd, Chairman, Mike Toohey, Mark Baker, Bill Dake, Gavin Landry, John
Muse, Kathy Smith, Melanie Dallas, and Steve Sullivan. He announced the appointment of John
Goldberg to the Assessment Review Board.
Announcement: NOFA – 2002 CDBG Entitlement Grant Applications
Mayor Klotz explained that NOFA means notice of funding availability and Brad Birge said that
it is time to begin process for 2002 Community Development Block Grant. This year the Federal
Government is awarding the City $454,000 and he will be releasing applications to those
organizations wishing to apply for funds on Thursday December 6 at 6:30 in the City Court
room,. and the requirements and responsibilities will be explained then. He said applications must
be submitted by 4:30 January 31, 2002.
Announcement: Continuum of Care Award - $731,700 (01-240)
Brad Birge announced the receipt of the Continuum of Care award in the amount of $731,700.
He said this is a collaborative effort between the City Community Development Office, City
Housing, and the County Housing and Service Providers. He said that the funding will be
distributed over a five year period to provide rental assistance to eligible individuals within the
City and within the County. He extended appreciation to the New York State Housing Coalition
and to Linda Glasby who provided technical assistance. Mayor Klotz said that the funds are
spread throughout the County and the City will field requests. Brad explained that the City
Community Development Office will be administering the total grant, but the bulk of the funds
will go to actual tenant subsidies. He said that the Saratoga Springs Housing Authority will be
managing the rental subsidies within the City and the Saratoga County Rural Preservation
Company will be administering the rental subsidies within the County. He said both of these
agencies have Section 8 programs and this grant provides additional funding for those programs.
Subordination Authorization for South Franklin Street Home (01-241)
Brad Birge said that when the SHIP housing was created on South Franklin Street the City
provided a deed covenant ensuring that for a ten-year period, it would be for affordability. He
said that in addition to that deed covenant, the City also has a second mortgage for what became a
forty thousand dollar subsidy for each of those homes. He explained that one of the homeowners
is seeking to re-finance for a lower monthly rate at a lower interest rate, saving the owner a large
amount of money. He said that the owners are requesting subordination authorization from the
City for this process. Mayor Kenneth Klotz moved and Commissioner Michael Lenz
seconded to approve subordination authorization for the re-financing process of the South
Franklin Street home. Ayes all.
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Correction of 8/15/00 City Council Minutes
Mayor Klotz explained that a typo in the August 15, 2000 City Council minutes listed an amount
for a rehab grant as $5600 instead of $5650, so in order to have the accurate information officially
on file, the minutes need to be corrected. Mayor Kenneth Klotz moved and Commissioner
Bernard Mirling seconded to correct the original amendment of August 15, 2000 for the
rehabilitation grant at 9 Jaipur Lane to the amount of $5650. Ayes all
Marriage Officer Resolution (01-242)
Mayor Klotz said that in order to renew the appointment of J. Michael O'Connell as a Marriage
Counselor, the City Council must agree to authorize the Mayor to sign a resolution for the two-
year appointment. He said that J. Michael O'Connell has been a Marriage Officer for a number of
years and would like to continue that office for two years. Mayor Kenneth Klotz moved and
Commissioner Bernard Mirling seconded to approve a resolution authorizing the
appointment of J. Michael O'Connell as a marriage officer for a period of two years, from
1/1/02 through 12/31/03. Ayes all
Announcement
Mayor Klotz announced that there is an inauguration ceremony scheduled for the incoming City
Council January 1, 2002 at 11 am in council chambers which will be followed by a very brief City
Council meeting for the purpose of the introduction of appointees. Mayor Klotz said that the
regular City Council meeting is going to be Wednesday night, January 2.
ACCOUNTS DEPARTMENT
Approval of the minutes of the November 7 City Council Meeting and the November 23 Budget
Workshop Meeting
Commissioner Bernard Mirling moved and Mayor Kenneth Klotz seconded to approve the
minutes of the November 7 City Council Meeting and the November 23 Budget Workshop
Meeting. Ayes all
Appointments: Commissioner of Deeds
Commissioner Mirling announced the appointments of the following individuals as
Commissioner of Deeds for a period of two years:
Sheila Brooks William Crandall
Patricia Muziker Michael Biss
J. Michael O'Connell Gary Perkins
Lynne Wilcox Warren Wildy
Vote: Local Law #8 Taxi Ordinance
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Commissioner Mirling pulled this item from his agenda.
Ratification of Previous Approval by Memo: Award of Bid: Casino Drainage Improvements (01-
243)
Upon the recommendation of the Engineering Department and the Department of Public Works,
Commissioner Bernard Mirling moved and Commissioner Thomas McTygue seconded to
ratify the previous approval by memo of the award of bid for the Casino East Wall
Drainage Improvements to Sunrise Enterprise of Scotia in the amount of $76,500.
Commissioner McTygue said that this money is in the capital budget for this project.
Approve MDI Contract
Commissioner Mirling pulled this item from his agenda.
Discussion: J.F. Ryan Report
Commissioner Mirling introduced John Ryan from J.F. Ryan to give a presentation on the report
he has developed. Mr. Ryan said that the City retained his firm in August to undertake a study of
the current assessments in the City with the idea of implementing an annual reassessment
program. He explained that this is a program that the State of New York is encouraging Cities
and towns throughout the State to undertake in order to maintain their property assessments and
ultimately their property taxes uniformly for all property owners in each and every municipality
within the state. He said that they undertook the study and presented the report to the City the first
week in November.
Mr. Ryan said in summary, the City completed a revaluation in 1998 and in theory the further out
from a revaluation, the harder it is to update it. He said they found that the current assessments in
the City due to a number of issues relative to changes in market conditions and some technical
issues relative to some existing assessments, the property assessments fail to meet the standards of
level assessment (market value) and they are not uniform. He said there is a fairly substantial
non-uniformity of assessments across all property classes. He said they outlined to the City
several options including
1) a Factoring program, a bottom-line adjustments of the existing assessments, will not
work because it will not address the underlying inequities in the assessments that exist
in this City today.
2) Some type of intermediate program, short of a full revaluation, but more than a
factoring program where the City would undertake a comprehensive analysis of all the
recent sales, complete updating of all the appraisal schedules, and a complete review
of all the properties within the City with the idea that this particular program could be
implemented by the year 2003.
3) The third option is a complete revaluation that could not be implemented until the year
2004.
John Ryan said that the further out in time that the City waits to do this, the more expensive the
project would become. He said that the second option is the most cost effective and the best way
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to bring the property assessments in the City up to date as efficiently as possible. He said that the
assessments in the City now do not reflect market value and they are not uniform. He said that
certain property owners in the City are paying more than their fair share of taxes to the benefit of
other property owners are not paying their fair share. He said that the essence of a good
assessment system is to strive for uniformity and have them at market value.
Mayor Klotz said that the City did complete a multi-year reassessment in 1998 and the factors
upon which that reval was based are beginning to break down. John Ryan said that this is an
environment where the market values are increasing, so it is a problem that has to be addressed.
Mayor Klotz said then and Mr. Ryan concurred that on a fairly large scale, the properties are
under-assessed considering the current market value.
John Ryan said that underassessment is rather dramatic but what is more discouraging is that there
appears to be some evidence of systematic underassessment of property by class. He said that if
you examine at the way the ratios have evolved over the last three years, with vacant land, we are
currently at 27% of market value, and this is something that cannot be accounted for by simple
changes in market conditions over the last three years. He said that the study simply identifies the
problem. He said that the City wanted to do an update in 2002 and when he was hired to do this,
there were significant questions that could not be answered until their study was completed. He
said that justice could not be done to an annual update program until the source of the problem is
dealt with, and a short-term solution would cost the City more money in the long run. He said
there are other problems beyond just the overall increasing market values in the City in the last
three years that will require further analysis.
Commissioner Lenz asked if the City is required to do annual updates. Commissioner Mirling
said that New York State recommends annual updates but currently requires a total revaluation
every six-years, recommending in the annual assessment approach that the City do one-sixth of
the City each year in terms of physically inspecting properties.
He said that the information is analyzed and properties within the data groupings of similar types
of housing and surroundings are identified, and it might be determined that the prices deviate very
little from each other and are accurate within their own level of a full value assessment, but
undervalued as a whole. He said that in assigning an assessed value to those neighborhoods, you
could raise the value the amount of the percentage it was down. He explained that John Ryan
was asked to identify the location of the neighborhoods in which there are these kinds of
inequities, where are they inaccurately assessed.
Commissioner Mirling said with the annual reassessment, it could be a much less expensive
proposition given the money received from the Office of Real Property Services (ORPS) to get
the process up and running. He said that essentially the amount of money the City would get if
we were engaged in annual re-assessment would be about $50,000 per year, and there would need
to be another person hired at about that salary range. He said that from the information that has
been gathered, it would cost the City little or nothing during the period that the law providing for
reimbursements is in place, to keep its properties accurately and equitably assessed. He said that if
the City waits six years, then they have the full expense to hire a company to do a full re-
valuation as was done in 1998.
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Commissioner Mirling said the people he has spoken with throughout the State that have gone to
an annual re-assessment have found that the certiorari proceedings, the number of people
contesting their assessments to the Assessment Review Board, drops immensely. He explained
that because the assessments are accurate and dependable and can be easily defended, and any
variation from the previous year is only one or two percent, relatively minute and not worth the
cost of a legal battle. He said that when a City waits six or more years and then brings the
assessments in line, people see tremendous increases in their assessed value, and these people will
be quick to hire an attorney to fight the change because the increase in their taxes justifies the
fight. He said that an annual re-valuation would be a significant cost saving to the City plus there
would be a consistently equitable, fair and defendable assessment roll.
Commissioner McTygue said that in reference to the Assessment Review Board making changes,
he is concerned if the council votes on the changes or if the council is even made aware of
recommendations for reductions and how the process is handled. He thinks that since the Mayor
makes the appointments on the Assessment Review Board, the Council should have an
opportunity to consider who is making the request and what recommendations are the Assessment
Review Board making on the reductions. He feels that the City Council should be made aware of
such intentions to reduce prior to its becoming official, especially since the financial impact of the
Board’s decisions are often larger than the money normally spent at the Council table.
Commissioner Mirling said that beyond the Council having an opportunity to examine the
proposed reductions, the proposal that Ryan Associates has made is that in implementing the
annual revaluation they would create a model and accordingly train the Assessment Review
Board to understand what variables to look at and how to examine requests for reductions in
property assessments. He said that too often around the State, it is easier to compromise and
reduce the assessment somewhat. He said that none of the City Council are authorized to spend
the amount of money that gets spent by the Assessment Review Board in a day because in effect
if the Board reduces the values of property, by one-million, it is an expenditure of City Revenues.
Stephen Towne, Commissioner elect, said that the State Office of Real Property Tax Services
provided training to each member of the Assessment Review Board and it was required that the
training be completed in order to be able to serve on the ARB. He said that the ARB is a five
person Board in collaboration with the Assistant City Assessor, Joe Williams. He explained that
the Assessment Review Board is authorized to do only two things: sustain the assessment or
reduce it. It has no rights to increase the assessment. He said that the Commissioner of Accounts
is aware of the changes because a formal letter is sent out indicating the decision of the Board.
Commissioner McTygue said that the point is that none of the Council members have
authorization to override or change the Board’s decision or increase an assessment.
Commissioner Mirling said that the training from Ryan & Associates would be more up to date
and thorough than ORPS training and an added piece to help enable the ARB to make wise
judgements.
Approve contract with J.F. Ryan
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Commissioner Mirling pulled this item from his agenda. Mayor Klotz reminded the
Commissioners that the current City Council was elected to serve through December 31, 2001 and
although he can not dictate what they put on or take off their portion of the agenda, he has a
problem with the notion that the council is supposed to be paralyzed just because a change will
occur as of January 1, 2002. Commissioner Mirling said that he is pulling these items because
they need to be discussed more thoroughly with members of the council prior to voting on them.
Discussion: Energy Resolution
Commissioner Mirling said that this is the item where if the City purchased energy through the
Chamber of Commerce, rather than buying directly from Niagara Mohawk, we might be able to
save money. He said that the program is set up that the city gets a report that tells what would be
saved in the program at today's rates. He distributed a report of what the City's savings would be.
He said the situation that energy rates are bouncing up and down and on any given day, there
could be changes. He said that he wants the City Council to look over the report and try to go
into the next City Council meeting knowing what the numbers are, and having an opportunity to
examine the options. He wants to give the council members a chance to review the report and and
perhaps get an updated report on the day of the next City Council meeting. He said that one
example given is the projection that is the City Council decided to vote for this program today, it
could save twenty eight thousand dollars on the City's natural gas bill. He said that rather than try
to vote on this tonight, he wants to give everyone a chance to study the proposed program, discuss
it with his, and then hopefully approve the program since it appears that it could save the City a
significant amount of money.
Adopt Purchasing Policy and Procedures
Commissioner Mirling pulled this item from his agenda because he wanted to postpone adoption
until he could examine, consider and possibly incorporate the changes suggested by the Mayor
and Commissioners. He said he expects to have this item on the December 18th agenda.
Set Public Hearing to Change Charter Language Regarding Purchasing Policy
Commissioner Mirling set publics hearing for Tuesday December 18 at 6:55 pm concerning
language changes in the City Charter that are being brought about by the new Purchasing Policy.
Award of Bid: Traffic Signals (01-244)
Upon the recommendation of the Engineering Department, Commissioner Bernard Mirling
moved and Commissioner Thomas Curley seconded to award bid number 2001-44, the ITS
Traffic Signal Upgrade Project to Stilsing Electric of Rensselaer, the low bidder at
$1,063,685,00. Ayes all
FINANCE DEPARTMENT
Executive Session: Personnel Matters
Commissioner Lenz requested an Executive Session on personnel matters.
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Approve Payrolls
Commissioner Michael Lenz moved and Commissioner Thomas Curley seconded to
approve the payroll for 11/21/01 in the amount of $ 341,359.84, and for 11/30/01 in the
amount of $325,333.58. Ayes all
Approve Warrants
Commissioner Michael Lenz moved and Mayor Kenneth Klotz seconded to approve the
following warrants:
1DEC01 – Warrant 2 – 20
General Fund $ 317,228.36
City Center Authority 4,200.24
Water Fund 4,833.31
Sewer Fund 11,091.36
Capital Projects Fund 35,548.46
Special Assessment District -0-
Trust Fund -0-
Debt Service -0-
Community Development 3,703.84
Total Warrant $ 376,605.57 Ayes all
MC011128 – WARRANT 2 - 7
General Fund $ 33,913.76
City Center Authority 9,794.11
Water Fund 34,535.74
Sewer Fund 1,018.11
Capital Project -0-
Special Assessment District -0-
Trust Fund -0-
Debt Service -0-
Community Development -0-
Total Warrant $ 79,261.72 Ayes all
Approve Budget Amendments (see attached)
Commissioner Michael Lenz moved and Commissioner Thomas Curley seconded to
approve the budget amendments as distributed. Ayes all
Approve Budget Transfers (see attached)
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Commissioner Michael Lenz moved and Mayor Kenneth Klotz seconded to approve the
budget transfers as distributed. Ayes all
Authorization for Mayor to Sign Empire Blue Cross Blue Shield Contract
Commissioner Lenz pulled this item from his agenda
Authorization for Mayor to Sign Scope of Employment Agreement for In Rem Proceeding
Services between City and John C. Mannix (01-245)
Commissioner Michael Lenz moved and Commissioner Bernard Mirling seconded for
council approval of the Scope of Employment Agreement for In Rem Proceeding Services
between the City and John C. Mannix and authorization for the Mayor to sign the contract.
He explained that the contract includes proceedings for the 1998 and 1999 tax sales at the same
rates as the 1996 and 1997 tax sales proceedings. He said that John has been providing this
service to the City for many years and the City has been very pleased with his work. The contract
was distributed with the agenda. Commissioner Lenz commented that the City has now
foreclosed on and obtained title to the parcels included in the 1996 and 1997 tax sale proceeding.
He said that an auction date will be set in the near future. Ayes all
Approval to Hire Bollam, Sheedy, Torani, and Co. for Financial Statement and Single Audit (01-
246)
Commissioner Michael Lenz moved and Commissioner Bernard Mirling seconded for
council approval to hire the firm of Bollam, Sheedy, Torani and Co., LLP 26 Computer
Drive West, Albany, NY in the amount of $16,500.00. He said that the price is one thousand
dollars higher than last year, which is the first increase in a few years. He said the contract will
cover the financial statement and single audit. He said that the City has used this firm for many
years and he is pleased with the service they provide. He said that the contract was distributed
with the agenda, and the money is in the Finance 2002 budget.
Commissioner McTygue asked if this qualifies as a waive of bid and Commissioner Mirling
responded that professional services do not require a bid under state purchasing law. Ayes all
Approve Raising Ceiling for Part-time Employees (01-247)
Commissioner Michael Lenz moved and Mayor Kenneth Klotz seconded for council
approval to raise the ceiling for part-time employees to $10.25 per hour. He said that he
intends to increase the hourly rate for two part time employees in the Finance Office effective
January 1, 2002. He said that the funds are in the 2002 budget to pay for these increases. Mayor
Klotz said that these are two of the hardest working part time employees in City Hall.
Commissioner McTygue asked if this would be a change in pay scale for all part time employees
with the City and Commissioner Lenz explained that it simply raises the ceiling of what you
could pay. Ayes all
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DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS
Ratification of Previously Approved Expenditures:
1) Rudd Lighting – Commissioner Thomas McTygue moved and Commissioner
Bernard Mirling seconded to ratify a previously approved expenditure to Rudd
Lighting in the amount of $3,005 plus freight. He explained that this is for new
poles and lights for the City Hall Parking Lot, and the money is in the DPW budget for
this. He said that these are standard, not decorative lights; the lot is too dark and he
wants to encourage parking in this lot during evening hours. Ayes all
2) Tarrant – Commissioner Thomas McTygue moved and Mayor Kenneth Klotz
seconded to ratify the previously approved expenditure of $8,300 to Tarrant
Manufacturing for a new ten foot stainless steel sander for truck #33. He said the
money is in the DPW budget for this. Ayes all
3) American Arborist Supplies – Commissioner Thomas McTygue moved and
Commissioner Thomas Curley seconded to ratify the previously approved
expenditure of $1,651 to the American Arborist Supplies for a tree saw with
attachments to use in the bucket truck. He said the money is in the DPW budget for
this. Ayes all
4) Allerdice Rent all – Commissioner Thomas McTygue moved and Mayor Kenneth
Klotz seconded to ratify the previously approved expenditure of $1,836 to
Allerdice Rent all for the rental of a brick saw at the Casino. He said the money is
in the DPW budget for this. Ayes all
5) Anderson Equipment Co.- Commissioner Thomas McTygue moved and Mayor
Kenneth Klotz seconded to ratify the previously approved expenditure of $1,900
to Anderson Equipment Company for a heavy duty hydraulic plow for the skid
steer loader. He said the money is in the DPW budget for this. Ayes all
6) Metroland Tire Company – Commissioner Thomas McTygue moved and Mayor
Kenneth Klotz seconded to ratify the previously approved expenditure of
$5,674.59 to Metroland Tire Company for tires. He said the money is in the DPW
budget for this. Ayes all
Approve Resolution Re: Reimbursement from NIMO for Trees (01-248)
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said that Niagara Mohawk has initiated a program to assist
communities in replacing trees destroyed by severe storms. He said that in order to participate in
this program the City has to adopt a resolution authorizing the Mayor to file an application for
funds and to enter into and execute a project agreement with Niagara Mohawk for reimbursement
of trees. Commissioner Thomas McTygue moved and Commissioner Bernard Mirling
seconded to adopt a resolution to authorize the Mayor to file an application for funds and to
enter into and execute a project agreement with Niagara Mohawk for reimbursement of
trees. Ayes all
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Reciprocal Agreement with Greenfield Highway Dept. (01-249)
Commissioner McTygue explained that the Town of Greenfield has agreed to be responsible for
plowing Denton Road from Bloomfield Road to the existing Town of Greenfield Line on Denton
Road, and in return Saratoga Springs DPW will maintain Hickok Road from the City Line to
Lester Park Road. He said the City has done this before because it is easier for the plowman.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue moved and Mayor Kenneth Klotz seconded for council
approval to enter into a reciprocal agreement with the Town of Greenfield Highway
Department as explained. . Ayes all
Accept Street for Snowplowing Only – Cherry Tree Lane (01-250)
Commissioner McTygue announced that the DPW will be accepting "Cherry Tree Lane" off Old
Schuylerville Road for snowplowing only.
PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENT
Child Safety Program Grant (01-251)
Commissioner Curley announced that the Department of Public Safety has received a child safety
program grant. He said that the Department has been utilizing a child safety program at the truck
inspection station, where they are physically installing car seats on behalf of new parents and
people who ask for instance in how to properly install car seats. He said that the Department has
been awarded a $9,750 grant to continue to participate in this statewide program. He said this
would increase our ability to use and install child safety seats in New York State.
Waive of Bid: B-Lan Equipment Company – 1 Gas Detector
Commissioner Thomas Curley moved and Mayor Kenneth Klotz seconded for approval of a
waive of bid to B-Lan Equipment Company for a gas detector for the new fire truck in the
amount of $1,596. Commissioner Curley said that this item was placed out to bid but no bidders
responded, therefore he has to request this waive of bid. Ayes all
Waive of Bid: New Fire Truck Equipment
Commissioner Curley said that this waive of bid was made necessary because the vendor to
whom the bid was awarded, Firefighters Equipment Company, in the amount of $1,029 has gone
out of business. Commissioner Thomas Curley moved and Mayor Kenneth Klotz seconded
to rescind the bid originally awarded to the Firefighters Equipment Company for various
pieces of equipment for the new fire truck. He said that he would distribute the bid items out to
four other suppliers. Ayes all
Commissioner Thomas Curley moved and Commissioner Thomas McTygue seconded to
purchase this equipment for the new fire truck as a waive of bid as follows:
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1) From Tyler Fire Equipment of Elmira, New York in the amount of $597
2) From Garrison Fire and Rescue of Ellenville, New York in the amount of $282.
3) From Har Rob of Syracuse in the amount of $108.
4) From Emergency Equipment Supply of Albany in the amount of $168.
Commissioner Curley explained that because the total expenditure exceeds $1000, it requires a
waive of bid. Ayes all
Waive of Bid: New Fire Truck Equipment
Commissioner Thomas Curley moved and Mayor Kenneth Klotz seconded to approve a
waive of bid to Adirondack Two-way Radio for radio equipment in the amount of $3,177.
Commissioner Curley said this radio equipment will be used in the new fire truck. Commissioner
Curley said this waive of bid is necessitated by the fact that there is nothing similar on the State
Contract and Adirondack Two-way Radio is the vendor for most of the electronic equipment in
the Public Safety Department. Ayes all
Acknowledge Student Body Saratoga Central Catholic High School/Respite Program
Commissioner Curley said he wanted to thank the student government at Saratoga Central
Catholic High School for putting together the candlelight walk for heroes Saturday night,
December 1. He said that Mayor Klotz was there along with a number of Police Officers and
Firefighters from Saratoga Springs and other communities. He said there was well over 200
people from the community that participated to honor the heroes of the September 11 tragedy.
He said he commends the student government for the initiative they have taken to help raise
money to pay for meals for over 200 participating firefighters' families who will be coming to
Saratoga Springs in the upcoming months. He said that young adults today get criticized and
blamed a lot so when they do something this responsible, we should take a few moments to
applaud their action and certainly complement them for their efforts. He said that Principal
Hammond called him and said that over five thousand dollars has been collected in this effort and
the money is still coming in.
EXECUTIVE SESSION
Commissioner Michael Lenz moved and Mayor Kenneth Klotz seconded to go to Executive
Session for the purpose of discussing personnel matters at the request of Commissioner
Lenz. The council went into executive session at 8:50 PM. Ayes all
No decision was made as a result of the Executive Session
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ADJOURNMENT
Seeing that no decisions were made in Executive Session, and there was no further business on
the agenda, Commissioner Thomas McTygue moved and Commissioner Bernard Mirling
seconded to adjourn the meeting at 9:21 PM . Ayes all
Respectfully Submitted,
Nancy Wagner
Clerk
Adopted:
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