City Council
Regular MeetingSaratoga Springs, NY · February 17, 2004
Minutes
CITY OF SARATOGA SPRINGS
CITY COUNCIL MEETING
CITY COUNCIL ROOM
TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 17, 2004
7:00 P.M.
PRESENT: Commissioner Thomas Curley, DPS
Michael Lenz, Mayor
Commissioner Matthew McCabe, Finance
Commissioner Thomas McTygue, DPW
Commissioner Stephen E. Towne, Accounts
ALSO PRESENT: Phil Klein, Supervisor
Anthony Scirocco, Supervisor (arrived 7:00 p.m.)
STAFF PRESENT: Patrick Design, Deputy Commissioner, DPW
Erin Dreyer, Deputy Commissioner DPS
Christine Gillmett-Brown, Deputy Commissioner Finance
Debbie Harper, Deputy Commissioner Accounts
Alicia Wardell, Deputy Mayor
Matthew Dorsey, City Attorney
PUBLIC HEARING
Hub Parking
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said that those companies that submitted proposals for the proposed
development on Woodlawn Avenue (Hub Parking Lot) would present their proposals this evening.
UW Marks/Mill Creek: Keith Leal, Project Coordinator; Peter Marks and Andy Allison, Saratoga Associates
appeared before the Council to present their proposal. Keith Leal preceded his remarks by saying that their
proposal met the parameters of the RFP. He said they proposed to subdivide the parcel, develop a four story
mixed use on the 85x53 lot with a foot print of 3833 square feet. He said the first floor would be retail and the
remaining floors would be office space. He said the building could be a five story building, however, they
believed that in keeping with the neighborhood, four stores were more appropriate. He said they would require
no subsidies and could commence work immediately.
Andy Allison said they felt it was necessary to keep the building in scale to the rest of the neighborhood. He
said their proposed structure would not dominate the area. He said this building should not compete with the
Broadway buildings but rather they should respect the street scape along Church Street. He said the buildings
along Church Street are smaller at two or three stores. He explained that with their proposal they proposed a
divided facade that would appear as three. He said they propose brick construction on one end, the middle
facade showing more glass and the structure closest to Broadway would be somewhat bigger than the other
two. He said the fenestration would be slightly different on all three facades. He reminded Council members
that the building is surrounded on the north side by residential and on the south side with one story structures.
He said there was not a lot of density in this area. He said their structure would be a modern interpretation
with historic details. He said in the open space near Broadway a park like setting would be created with
benches and a hard surface.
Keith Leal said this project would create between 115 and 130 jobs. He said they are proposing to be both the
developer and the contractor. He said they have some ideas on the parking garage and financing options if
the City was interested.
Bruce Levinsky, Merlin Development, said his proposal came from being in the City for more than 20 years
and realizing that the impetus for this proposal was the Council’s response to solve the City’s parking problem.
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He said when he and his team reviewed the RFP, it was apparent that the composition of the RFP created
some problems in solving parking. He said the proposed development from the RFP could, in fact, compound
the parking problem. He said any parking structure on this site would really be used by employees of the
Adirondack Trust Company, the LA Group and patrons of the Saratoga Arms. He said upon reviewing the
RFP they decided to respond in a larger scope. He said this location is too valuable to be devoted to a
minimal amount of parking spaces. He said he believed a five or six story structure could be constructed on
this site and the parking structure should be shifted to the lot along Woodlawn Avenue, behind the Roohan
building. He said they are proposing a 50,000 square foot structure and parking for between 600 and 800
cars. He said the City is at a critical point and the Council should consider charging for parking. He said the
City should not have to subsidize the parking structure. He also suggested that this is a regional problem and
not just a City problem and the City should reach out to state and county officials on funding. He said the
parking garage should be self-sufficient. Bruce Levinsky said that on a final point, thought should be given to
have a transportation center for buses, taxis, etc., in the downtown area.
Adirondack Trust Company: Mike Ingersoll, The LA Group, representing the ATC, said they believed they
complied with the RFP. He said they were not here this evening to design a parking structure. He explained
that ATC owns the parcel to the west of this site. He displayed pictures of this area from 1959 showing the
coal facility and rail station. He said they believed the corner of this lot had important civic value. He pointed
out that when the coal facility existed the towers were at 70 feet. He said they propose to expand their parcel
by purchasing the 55x110 adjacent parcel. He said they would also eliminate the curb cut opposite the
Railroad Place intersection and center the building on the lot. He said they could construct up to a five story
building. He said the ATC was offering $605,000 for the site. He said they would propose to begin
construction immediately and hopefully be done by next year. He said the first floor would be commercial and
the upper floors would be for ATC employees. He noted that they would not be adding to the downtown
parking because these employees, for the most part, already work in the downtown. He said the City could
gain 110 parking spots at this location. He also noted that they would construct a parking lot of between 50
and 60 cars for their employees. He said during the construction phase, their private parking lot would remain
open to the public. He said they estimated that the City would gain approximately $80,000 in property taxes
from this site. He said they have not yet had their architects design the structure, however, there would be a
lot of detail to all four sides. He said most importantly the building would be constructed by ATC. He said the
old Hub building would need to be demolished if this project was to come to fruition. He said they would also
like a condition on the sale of this parcel that the funds are dedicated to a parking lot at this location or along
Woodlawn Avenue and that they also are granted approvals by the appropriate City Boards to demolish the
old Hub building.
Mayor Michael Lenz asked if the scale of the ATC building would accommodate more than one deck of
parking on the corner. Mike Ingersoll said yes. He said it would depend though on how high the City wanted
to go for the parking structure noting that there is residential use in this area and elevation changes.
Jeff Pfeil asked what were the numbers for the UW Marx proposal. Keith Leal said they would offer $200,000.
Jeff Pfeil said the math seemed simple. He said the parking issues needed to be addressed as soon as
possible. He said there was merit to the parking proposal along Woodlawn Avenue, but an RFP should be
done for that parcel. He said if the City was to gain $605,000 from the sale of the parcel and receipt of up to
$80,000 in property taxes, it was a good plan. He said a structure constructed by ATC would be a good
building. He also noted that this project could be the catalyst for others. He also agreed that some thought
should be given to paid parking.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue pointed out that if this lot is developed and the parking structure comes to
fruition, then the Woodlawn Avenue lot would become two hour parking. He said that would have a major
impact.
Bruce Levinsky said that he was offering to lease the parcel at $50,000 per year for 30 years.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue suggested that the Chamber and the SAD be approached on their thoughts
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on paid parking. He also said if this project moves ahead, the next project will be parking in the lots behind
City Hall. He said that location could be developed with a structure and an overpass to City Hall or the lot next
to the Algonquin building.
Bruce Levinsky said that it is widely accepted knowledge that if people have to pay to park in a structure and
they do not have to pay to park elsewhere, they will not use the parking structure.
Cynthia Corbett, Walton Street, asked that the Council keep in mind that this is a residential neighborhood.
Keith Leal asked for clarification on the purchase price proposed by ATC. Mike Ingersoll said the funds
proposed are to purchase the land in the RFP and a portion of the adjacent lot.
There being no one else wishing to speak, Mayor Michael Lenz closed the public hearing.
(Anthony Scirocco arrived: 6:55 p.m.)
Coin Drops
Commissioner Stephen Towne said the coin drop procedures for the City had recently been addressed at the
Safety Committee. He said the coin drop solicitation agreement had been circulated to Council members. He
said he also met with Commissioner Thomas Curley and Marilyn Rivers on this matter. He said the highlights
of the proposal were that there would be no children under the age of 16, those children who are 16 or 17 must
have parental or guardian permission and be supervised at all times and safety vests must be worn. He said
there would be a $50 refundable fee for safety vests.
Mayor Michael Lenz opened the public hearing. There being no one wishing to speak, Mayor Michael Lenz
closed the public hearing.
CALL TO ORDER
Mayor Michael Lenz called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m.. He then welcomed Boy Scout Troop #70. The
troop led the Council in the Pledge of Allegiance.
PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD
Mayor Michael Lenz said before he opened the public comment period, he wanted to review some of the
criteria that were recently adopted under the Rules of Conduct at the last meeting. He said that speakers
should provide their name, address, limit their comments to two minutes, a total of 15 minutes will be allowed,
all remarks are to be addressed to the Council as a whole, observe courtesy, no Council members shall
interrupt a speaker and Council members shall be allowed the opportunity to respond at the end of the public
comment period.
William Connolly, 28 Stockholm Road, informed Council members that if the City’s proposed water project
comes to fruition, he will bring a lawsuit against the City as a taxpayer. He said he was not representing
SLIPD. He said there had been discussion on the urgency on identifying a water supply source and he
wondered how long it would take to get the water when the City would be undergoing litigation. He asked what
was the City’s projected timetable. He said if there really was an emergency in obtaining water, a timeline
needed to be established. He suggested that alternative sources be looked at in conjunction with that
timetable. He also asked who would enforce the no fishing and the no recreational use area that would be
within a quarter of a mile of the intake and how much would that cost. He said the City is also not prepared for
water rescue because they City does not have equipment such an air boat. He said that all of those issues
need to be identified and a dollar amount attached.
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Edward Dweck, Route 9P, Chair of SLIPD, said there was some rhetoric at the last Council meeting on
establishing the Council as lead agency. He said the SLIPD is not requesting a closed door meeting with
DPW. He said they want an open process and they are willing to meet with DPW.
There being no one else wishing to speak, Commissioner Michael Lenz closed the public comment period.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said there had been talk that litigation could take up to ten years. He said
the City believes that it has a flawless document. He said the judges will not hold up this process with
frivolous lawsuits. He said the City went to court several years ago on the carousel and those proceedings
were extremely short. He said no judge will allow this foolishness.
Commissioner Thomas Curley said the City recently obtained a grant that could allow for the purchase of
rescue equipment.
DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS
DEIS Closure (04-036)
Doug Ward said that at the last Council meeting there was discussion on closing the public comment period.
He said the Council raised a number of questions at that time. He said those questions were submitted and
he a response was made on February 15. He said that he is advocating that the Council close the record after
this ten month process. He said normally the SEQR allows for a 45 day public comment period. He said a
number of requests for informal discussions have arisen and he was concerned that the public comment
period was still open. He said SEQR does not allow for informal discussions. He said comments must be
public and can only be received by the Council after due notice of a public hearing. He said by closing the
public comment period, the Council would be going off the record. He said if the Council wants to go back on
the record at any time, the Council can do so.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue clarified that if the public comment period was closed, he could then talk to
SLIPD. Doug Ward said yes.
Doug Ward also recommended that the Council proceed to the FEIS. He said the FEIS will respond to all of
the comments made to the Council. He said once the comments have been addressed, the Council is still free
to take whatever action they would like, but they would also have the benefit of the consultant’s
recommendations. He said an FEIS does not commit the City to any course of action. He said the City could
still choose to participate in the County DEIS if they choose to do one.
Doug Ward then read the resolution as follows:
REGARDING CLOSURE OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD
UNDER THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT (SEQRA)
AND
INSTRUCTION TO CONSULTANTS TO PREPARE THE
FINAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT (FEIS)
WHEREAS, the City of Saratoga Springs has proposed to develop a new water
supply source to meet the community’s long term and emergency water supply needs.
WHEREAS, this proposal must be evaluated pursuant to the requirements of the
State Environmental Quality Review Act (SEQRA) (Article 8 of the New York State
Environmental Law) and implementing regulations (6 NYCRR Part 617).
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WHEREAS, the City Council was provided with a proposed Draft Environmental
Impact Statement (DEIS) and released the DEIS for public review.
WHEREAS, a public hearing was held to take public comment on the DEIS on March
6, 2003.
WHEREAS, the City has also received written public comment on the DEIS.
WHEREAS, the date for closing the DEIS public comment period has been
established and extended periodically by the City Council and as a result the public has had
over ten months to comment on the DEIS.
WHEREAS, on July 15, 2003, the City Council ordered the preparation of a
Supplemental Environmental Impact Statement (SEIS) to consider three new alternatives: the
purchase of water from the City of Amsterdam, the purchase of water from the Town of
Glenville and amendments to the County water supply option.
WHEREAS, the City has since evaluated these alternatives and determined that the
purchase of water from the City of Amsterdam or Town of Glenville is not economically
feasible and that the County’s water supply development proposal remains in a conceptual
stage and for these reasons the City Council has determined that conducting an SEIS
regarding these options is not presently warranted.
WHEREAS, the City, in evaluating the public comments on the DEIS, finds that an
FEIS should be prepared and filed so that the Council and the public can receive and consider
the City’s consultants responses to such public comments before deciding on a next course of
action.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, based on the record and the above
considerations and consistent with SEQRA, the City Council determines that it will not require
preparation of an SEIS at the present time.
IT IS FURTHER RESOLVED, that pursuant to SEQRA, the City Council hereby
closes the DEIS public comment period, and
IT IS FURTHER RESOLVED, that the City Council instructs its consultants to prepare
and file a Final Environmental Impact Statement for submission to the City Council for its
consideration.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue moved and Commissioner Matthew McCabe seconded to accept the
“Resolution Regarding the Closure of the Public Comment Period under the State Environmental
Quality Review Act (SEQRA) and Instruction to Consultants to Prepare the Final Environmental Impact
Statement (FEIS)” as presented.
Doug Ward said there had been some previous discussion on the SEIS but he believed that the proposed
resolution addresses that matter stating that the Council found that the SEIS was not warranted. He said the
Council could choose to do an SEIS at a later date.
Matt Dorsey said it would be helpful for the Council to know the timetable on this closure and how long it would
take for the FEIS to be submitted to the Council.
Rich Straut said he expected that it would take about eight weeks to complete the process.
Matthew Dorsey asked for clarification on what exactly was included in the DEIS. He said he assumed it was
the comments from the public comment period, the responses to those comments and any revisions or
supplements to the DEIS. Doug Ward said that was correct. Doug Ward also said it would be most helpful for
Rich Straut and him for the Council to submit any substantive questions that Council members would like
addressed in the FEIS. He said this document becomes the Council’s document so Council members have a
hand in crafting it.
Matthew Dorsey asked if the eight weeks was spent entirely with the responsiveness statement. Rich Straut
said in order for him to get through this process and to get a good response prepared, he would need about
eight weeks to do so.
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Matthew Dorsey said it seemed appropriate to close the public comment period. He said it would allow the
Council to have the informal discussions with other parties on other proposed alternatives. He said his
question to the Council though was did the Council want to direct the consultant to draft the FEIS. He
suggested that perhaps the public comment period be closed and the consultant be directed to address the
comments and to also include the revisions or supplements. He said perhaps the Council should give some
thought to not directing the consultant to draft the FEIS which would give the Council the ability to review the
comments and responses prior to that step.
Doug Ward said that is really not much different from what he proposed. He said what Matthew Dorsey
suggested is the FEIS. He said that what the Council gets back from the consultant will be the FEIS in the
FEIS format. He said it will not become the FEIS though until the Council says so.
Mayor Michael Lenz asked if it made a difference if the document that comes back to the Council is called a
draft. Doug Ward said it did not matter what the document was called. He said this motion would convey to
the consultant what the Council wanted for its next step. He said if the Council wants to call it a draft and take
out the clause about filing the FEIS that was fine with him. Matthew Dorsey clarified that the draft FEIS would
be made up of the DEIS, comments, responses to those comments and revisions or supplements. He said
this would allow the Council the eight week time period to discuss options with other interested parties.
Doug Ward said there would not be a real difference between what Matthew Dorsey suggested and what he
recommended. He said the Council would get the responsiveness summary and page changes to the DEIS.
He said there are supplements and there will be comments on those supplements. He said the SLIPD
proposal will be addressed also.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said the supplements are already in the document. He said the Amsterdam,
Glenville and upper Hudson proposals are already included.
Doug Ward said as part of the discussions if the Council chooses to go in another direction, the time to make
that decision would be after a complete and final review of the City’s proposal. He said this information also
needed to be made available to the public and that can be done after this process. He said after the Council’s
review of the FEIS, the Council can decide if more needs to be done.
Mayor Michael Lenz said one of his concerns was the discussions with SLIPD. He said closing the DEIS will
allow the City the ability to talk to groups such as SLIPD, County and Glenhollow. Mayor Michael Lenz asked
if the City would still have the ability to make changes to the FEIS and/or to take another course of action.
Doug Ward said yes. He said the document that comes back to the Council still allows the Council to make
more comments or changes. He said the Council would have the option of closing the FEIS and then doing an
SEIS if they would like.
Mayor Michael Lenz said he would like to see the information prepared but he did not want to direct the
consultant to craft the FEIS. Doug Ward said that what the Council will get back from the consultant is 98
percent of the FEIS. He said Rich Straut will put together all of the questions, comments and provided the
responsiveness summary. He said there will also be some page changes to the DEIS. He said the difference
between the DEIS and the FEIS is the responsiveness document. He said that from Rich Straut’s standpoint,it
was easier to give the Council everything. Doug Ward said the Council can call the document anything that it
would like but it needed to be prepared in such a way that it can be made available to the public if the Council
so desires, or more information could be sought from the consultant. He said it can simply be renamed, called
the FEIS and made available to the public.
Commissioner Matthew McCabe said he submitted questions and asked when they would be addressed.
Doug Ward said all of the questions will be addressed and the Council will have the ability to determine
whether they are satisfied with the answers.
Commissioner Stephen Towne said this has been a troubling process. He said for the last two Council
meetings this item has been listed as DEIS closure. He said that after the last meeting there were 47
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questions asked of Doug Ward and Rich Straut. He said he appreciated all of their work, however, he only
received those responses today and had not yet had time to review all of it. He said at the workshop agenda
meeting this morning there was no discussion on the fact that this was going to be a request to authorize the
consultant to prepare the FEIS. He said the other issue was that in the resolution there is a statement that
says the Council has determined that the SEIS is not presently warranted. He said he came to the Council
meeting this evening prepared to close the public comment period. He believed, though, that the
recommendations from Matthew Dorsey had some merit. He said the City has received other options and they
should be included. He said he was prepared to act on the closure of the public comment period but not the
other issues such as the SEIS and the FEIS.
Doug Ward said the SEIS pertained to three specific options: Amsterdam, Glenville and the County. He said if
the Council wants to move forward with a variation on the County or some other alternative that would require
another motion. He said that closing the DEIS was a housekeeping matter. He said the Council would not be
closing the door on an SEIS at a later date.
Mayor Michael Lenz asked if the statements in relation to the SEIS could be removed from the resolution.
Doug Ward said yes. It was agreed that the two paragraphs on the front page (Whereas on July 15, 2003, . . .
and Whereas the City has since evaluated . . .) would be removed.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said many of these questions have already been answered. He said there
are minutes and letters showing that they have been addressed. He said that time was also important matter.
He said the state’s review could take up to 12 months. He said if all goes well, it puts the City in a position of
about four years. He said the City is still looking for a long term water source and a few hundred thousand
gallons a day does not solve our problems. He said the City needs a long term source of 11 mgpd. He said
the City has already approved two large hotels and there is a great demand on the City’s water treatmentplant.
He said the City’s water treatment plant can sustain a safe yield of 7 mgpd. He said installing a 12 inch water
line around Saratoga Lake would not get the job done either. He said he did not want to drag this issue out
any ore. He said the Council needs to act on this tonight. Commissioner Thomas McTygue said the water
treatment plant was constructed in 1936 and was designed to handle 5 mgpd. He said in 1970 it was
redesigned for 9 mgpd and the City will be at that point in the next few years. He said that the City has a state
of the art plant, but it would only take one drought season. He said the pressure and the volume were of great
concern for the water treatment plant. He said if there are problems at Loughberry Lake, he wondered where
the City’s water would come from. He said the City has been talking about this matter for four or five years
and it was time to close the process and move ahead.
It was agreed to remove the first paragraph on the second page (Now, therefore, be it resolved . . .). It was
also agreed that rather than directing the consultant to prepare and FEIS that they would-be directed to
“prepare a responsiveness summary document for the FEIS.@ It was also agreed that the two paragraphs on
the first page beginning, AWHEREAS, on July 15, 2003, . . .@ and WHEREAS, the City has since evaluated
these alternatives . . .@ be removed.
Mayor Michael Lenz moved and Commissioner Stephen Towne seconded to amend the motion to
remove the two paragraphs on the first page beginning, AWHEREAS, on July 15, 2003, . . .@ and
AWHEREAS, the City has since evaluated these alternatives . . .@, remove the first paragraph on the
second page beginning with “Now, therefore be it resolved” and that the last paragraph on the second
page should state that the consultants will prepare a responsiveness summary for the FEIS rather than
preparing the FEIS and . Ayes all.
The amended resolution reads as follows:
RESOLUTION
REGARDING CLOSURE OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD
UNDER THE STATE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REVIEW ACT (SEQRA)
AND INSTRUCTION TO CONSULTANTS TO PREPARE THE
RESPONSIVENESS SUMMARY FOR THE
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FINAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT (FEIS)
WHEREAS, the City of Saratoga Springs has proposed to develop a new water
supply source to meet the community’s long term and emergency water supply needs.
WHEREAS, this proposal must be evaluated pursuant to the requirements of the
State Environmental Quality Review Act (SEQRA) (Article 8 of the New York State
Environmental Law) and implementing regulations (6 NYCRR Part 617).
WHEREAS, the City Council was provided with a proposed Draft Environmental
Impact Statement (DEIS) and released the DEIS for public review.
WHEREAS, a public hearing was held to take public comment on the DEIS on March
6, 2003.
WHEREAS, the City has also received written public comment on the DEIS.
WHEREAS, the date for closing the DEIS public comment period has been
established and extended periodically by the City Council and as a result the public has had
over ten months to comment on the DEIS.
WHEREAS, the City, in evaluating the public comments on the DEIS, finds that an
FEIS should be prepared and filed so that the Council and the public can receive and consider
the City’s consultants responses to such public comments before deciding on a next course of
action.
NOW, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, that pursuant to SEQRA, the City Council
hereby closes the DEIS public comment period, and
IT IS FURTHER RESOLVED, that the City Council instructs its consultants to prepare
and file a Responsiveness Summary for the FEIS for submission to the City Council for its
consideration.
Barton & Loguidice Contract
Commissioner Thomas McTygue moved to extend the agreement with Barton & Loguidice for their services in
connection with the alternative water source project.
Commissioner Matthew McCabe said because this was not listed on the agenda, it should not be acted upon.
Council members agreed.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said he would bring this back to the next Council meeting.
MAYOR=S OFFICE
Zoning Amendment in relation to PUD legislation
Mayor Michael Lenz said the Council has received a request from the Planning Board to amend the wording in
the current zoning ordinance relating to the maximum densities permitted in planned unit development districts.
He said the Planning Board believes that the proposed text amendment will correct an existing ambiguity in
the current wording. He said the Council need to decide if it will accept this amendment for study. He said if
the Council accepts it for study, the next step would be to set a public hearing on the proposed amendments.
Geoff Bornemann said this was a request from the Planning Board to clear up some confusion in base density
in PUD legislation. He said the Planning Board discussed this matter with the City Attorney’s Office and the
City Attorney’s Office provided an opinion on the matter. He said the Planning Board voted favorably(7-0) to
forward this matter to the Council.
Mayor Michael Lenz moved and Commissioner Stephen Towne seconded to accept the amendment for
study and to set the public hearing for this amendment on March2, 2004 at 6:55 p.m. Ayes all.
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DeMeo Zoning Amendment Petition
Mayor Michael Lenz said the City has received a petition from Mark and Stacey DeMeo for a zoning map
amendment that would change the classification of about three acres of land on the north side of Newark
Street from Rural Residential-1 (single-family homes on two acre lots) to Urban residential-1 (single-family
homes on 1/4 acre lots). He said the land includes the DeMeo property and that of three other property
owners. He said the Council needs to decide if it will accept this petition for study and forward it to the City
Planning Board for the required advisory opinion.
Mark DeMeo said they purchased this property awhile ago and were exempt from the moratorium. He said,
though, that the zoning of this parcel was then changed from UR-1 to RR-1 before they could pull the building
permit. He said they purchased the parcel with the plans to construct a home.
Mayor Michael Lenz moved and Commissioner Matthew McCabe seconded to accept the petition for
study and to send it to the City Planning Board for an advisory opinion. Ayes all.
City Historian Hourly Rate (04-037)
Mayor Michael Lenz announced the hourly rate for the City Historian at $16/hour.
City Hall Annex Renovation Change Order #4
Mayor Michael Lenz moved and Commissioner Thomas Curley seconded to approve change order #4
for the City Hall Annex renovation work to Carpenter Roseland in the amount of $12,830. He said the
funds are within the 2003 budget. He noted that both the Purchasing Department and the Finance
Department have reviewed this request. Ayes all.
Recreation Commission Appointment
Mayor Michael Lenz announced the appointment of Dora Lee Stanley to the Recreation Commission.
Executive Session
Mayor Michael Lenz requested an executive session for the purpose of land acquisition discussion.
ACCOUNTS DEPARTMENT
Approval of February 3, 2004, meeting minutes
Commissioner Stephen Towne moved and Mayor Michael Lenz seconded to approve the February 3
City Council meeting minutes. Ayes all.
Extension of Bid --Printed Polyethylene Bags
Upon the recommendation of the Department of Public Works, Commissioner Stephen Towne moved
and Commissioner Thomas McTygue seconded to approve the extension of the bid for the Printed
Polyethylene Bags with All American Poly for one year under the same terms and conditions. He said
this bid had been reviewed by the Purchasing Department and meets Purchasing guidelines. Ayes all.
Coin Drop Solicitation Agreement (04-038)
Commissioner Stephen Towne said as a follow up to the public hearing held earlier this evening, he proposed
the adoption of the Coin Drop Solicitation agreement as presented.
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Commissioner Stephen Towne said that as a result of a review of the Coin Drop Policy by the Safety
Committee and further discussions with the Department of Public Safety and Marilyn Rivers, Risk & Safety
Manager, the coin drop solicitation agreement was revised and distributed with the agenda. He said highlights
include:
B no child under the age of 16 will be allowed to participate in the coin solicitation process.
B each child age 16 and 17 must have a written parental/guardian permission in order to
participate
B children under the age of 18 must be under the direct supervision of an adult
B every participant will need to wear a safety and reflective vest
-- The cost of the vests will be absorbed by the Accounts Department and will be issued under
the direction of Marilyn Rivers to participating organizations with a required $50 refundable
deposit to ensure the return of these vests.
Commissioner Stephen Towne moved and Commissioner Matthew McCabe seconded to formally
adopt the Coin Drop Solicitation Agreement for use as an interdepartmental tool for community groups
wishing to schedule coin drops within City limits effectively immediately. Ayes all.
Machine Custodian Contracts (04-039)
Commissioner Stephen Towne said that late today, revised contracts for the election machine custodians were
sent to Council members. He said there was only one change to the contract distributed with the agenda and
that was under paragraph #3, the last sentence, “The parties further understand that work performed by Mr.
Ullmann or Mr. Prock under this agreement shall be performed as an independent contractor and not as an
employee of the City of Saratoga Springs.”
Commissioner Stephen Towne moved and Commissioner Thomas Curley seconded to authorize the
Mayor to sign the agreements with Charles Prock and Thillo Ullmann, voting machine custodians, in
the amount of $3,500/each for the upcoming primaries and elections. These agreements have been
reviewed by the City Attorney’s Office, Risk Manager and the Board of Elections. He said the funds
were within his budget. Ayes all.
Special Counsel Services B Quadgraphics (04-40)
Commissioner Stephen Towne requested approval from the Council for the engagement of special counsel for
Article 7 matters. He said the contract would be with Bartlett, Pontiff, Stewart & Rhodes and more specifically
with Martin Auffredou of that firm.
Commissioner Stephen Towne moved and Mayor Michael Lenz seconded to authorize the Mayor to
sign the agreement with Bartlett, Pontiff, Stewart & Rhodes as presented. He said the agreement had
been reviewed by the City Attorney’s Office.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue asked for the dollar amounts. Commissioner Stephen Towne said that the
terms were as follows: $150/hour for principal’s time; $130/hour for associate’s time; $100/hour for paralegal
time and travel expenses.
Ayes all.
FINANCE DEPARTMENT
Payrolls
Commissioner Matthew McCabe moved and Commissioner Thomas Curley seconded to approve the
following payrolls: February 26, 2004 B $347,970.22 and February 13, 2004 B $372,268.11. Ayes all.
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Finance
Commissioner Matthew McCabe moved and Commissioner Stephen Towne seconded to approve the
following warrants:
2003 Regular Warrant February 17, 2004 $ 90,799.03
2004 Regular Warrant February 17, 2004 $561,249.72
2003 Mini Warrant February 11, 2004 $ 115.12
2004 Mini Warrants February 11, 2004 $ 76,222.81
February 26, 2004 $ 16,179.66
Ayes all.
2004 Budget Transfers B Salary lines
Commissioner Matthew McCabe moved and Commissioner Stephen Towne seconded to approve the
2004 budget transfers to and from salary lines (Attachment A).
Commissioner Matthew McCabe said lines 1 and 2 are a request from Accounts to transfer from the Deputy
Registrar to Part Time clerk to pay the person for work performed during transition period. Lines 3 and 4 is a
request from Accounts to properly budget Commissioner line to include $500 raise. Lines 5 and 6 is a request
from Finance to properly budget for Commissioner line to include $500 raise. Lines 7 and 8 is a request from
Accounts to move money from labor line in Elections to a new professional service line in Elections to pay
moving company to move machines. City previously used DPW and paid laborers.
Ayes all.
2004 Budget Transfers B Regular
Commissioner Matthew McCabe moved and Commissioner Thomas Curley seconded to approve the
regular 2004 budget transfers previously distributed (Attachment B)
Commissioner Matthew McCabe said this is a request from DPS to consolidate all police department training
expenses to one budget line.
Ayes all.
2004 Budget Transfer B Revenue
Commissioner Matthew McCabe moved and Commissioner Thomas Curley seconded to approve the
2004 revenue budget transfers previously distributed (Attachment C).
Commissioner Matthew McCabe said this is a request from the Mayor’s Office to move the Civil Servicebudget
from Finance to Mayor in accordance with the 2004 City Charter.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue asked for clarification on what this was. Mayor Michael Lenz said that this
was originally in the Finance Department budget but was now moving to the Mayor’s Office. He said there
was no increase in funding.
Ayes all.
2004 Budget Amendments
Commissioner Matthew McCabe moved and Commissioner Stephen Towne seconded to approve the
2004 Budget Amendments previously distributed (Attachment D).
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Commissioner Matthew McCabe said that lines 1 and 2 is a request from the Mayor’s Office for a grant
received by Visitor Center for the July Chamber music series. He said that lines 3 and 4 is a request from the
Mayor’s Office for the traffic study on Church Street and the applicant paid for the study. He said that lines 5
and 6 is a request from the Accounts Office to record a reimbursement from a taxpayer for a federal express
package.
Ayes all.
2004 Bond Resolution (04-041)
Commissioner Matthew McCabe moved and Mayor Michael Lenz seconded to approve the 2004 Bond
Resolution. The resolution will allow the City to Bond the capital projects approved in the 2004 Capital
Budget (Attachment E).
Commissioner Matthew McCabe said the Finance Office plans on issuing a Bond in April. The resolution
requires a 4/5 vote. Therefore he requested a roll call vote.
Roll Call Vote: Mayor Michael Lenz aye
Commissioner Matthew McCabe aye
Commissioner Thomas Curley aye
Commissioner Thomas McTygue aye
Commissioner Stephen Towne aye
Ayes all.
2003 Sales Tax
Commissioner Matthew McCabe said that the City received the final 2003 sales tax payment from New York
State Taxation and Finance on February 12. He said the County will make a final distribution to the City on
February 19 for 2003 old money. Upon receipt of that payment, the County will have distributed $350,277 to
the City in the form of voluntary and old money in fiscal year 2003. The City will receive a small interest
payment later this week from NYS. The interest payment will be approximately $250.00.
Commissioner Matthew McCabe said that sales tax received for the fiscal year of 2003 was $6,947,713, the
sales tax received for the sales tax year was $4,797,296. Commissioner Matthew McCabe said the Council
needs to focus on the fiscal year information.
Mayor Michael Lenz asked about the percentage increases/decreases on those figures. Commissioner
Matthew McCabe said on the fiscal year there was a 4.39 percent decrease over the previous year and on the
sales tax year there was a 7.12 percent decrease over the previous year.
DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS
Senior Citizens Center Letter
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said that in November 2003, he asked Bill Davis, Senior Citizens Center, for
a copy of the letter he referred to during the budget discussions. He said that Bill Davis said that he would
provide that letter. He said that since that time, he has not gotten the letter and he had called twice asking for
the information. He said there was then a response from their Board stating that they would not send the letter
to the City. Commissioner Thomas McTygue said he believed that any organization seeking funding from the
City should open their books to the City, as well as provide the City with requested information. He said he did
not believe there was any reason for them to refuse to forward him the information. He asked the Mayor make
this request of the Senior Citizens Center
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Mayor Michael Lenz said he could make that request and at the same time he would ask the City Attorney to
research whether there might be a legal reason why the Senior Citizens Center may or may not want to
provide the City with the letter.
Commissioner Stephen Towne read from the November 18 City Council minutes. He said that he was under
the impression that there was not just one letter from the United Way.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said there was no reason why they could not submit the information to the
Council. He said he believed the information that the Council received during the budget discussion was false.
He said it was not factual and it was interesting to find that the Senior Citizens Center may not have been
truthful.
South Arterial Lighting
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said that he recently received a letter from Niagara Mohawk concerning the
street lighting along Route 50 from West Avenue to the tree nursery. He said there are 25 lights. He said in
1998, the state installed the wrong lights along that road. He said in his last meeting with Niagara Mohawk on
May 2, 2003, a compromise was reached which would allow the state to remove the poles and fixtures, they
would install the new poles and lights and the City would pay this expense. He said the state, to date, has
failed to do this.
Therefore, Commissioner Thomas McTygue moved that the City commence action against the state and
request that these lights be changed within a reasonable time.
Matthew Dorsey, City Attorney, said he would prefer a little time to review this matter. Commissioner Thomas
McTygue agreed to that request. He said his department would bring the City Attorney up to speed on this
matter.
Undeveloped Commercial and Residential Projects B Update
Geoff Bornemann said he had compiled a list of the undeveloped commercial and residential projects. He said
these were very rough numbers. He noted that there are approximately 1200 unbuilt lots that could require
approximately 325,000 gallons of water per day. He said there are 900,000 square feet of nonresidential
projects under construction which will require 75,000 gallons per day. He said the total water consumption on
these projects is approximately 400,000 gallons per day.
Mayor Michael Lenz said there was some discussion at the Planning Board on whether projects were or were
not going to be approved because of water. Geoff Bornemann said there was some limited discussion and
they are considering holding a workshop on this matter.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said that former Planning Board Chairman Lew Benton made a presentation
to the Council explaining that the City would be exceeding our water capabilities. He said those comments
were prefaced by saying that he believed the numbers were low. He said this is a very important matter.
Geoff Bornemann agreed that the Planning Board changed their base line assumptions on water consumption.
He said the Planning Board continues to monitor estimated water consumption. He said they hoped to have
Barton & Loguidice assist them in this area.
DEIS Closure
Previously discussed.
DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY
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Purchasing Policy Changes (04-042)
Commissioner Thomas Curley said there had been some discussion on this matter at the last Council meeting
when he made a request to purchase plaques for employees to recognize their years of service. He said
Assistant City Attorney, Tony Izzo, has since done some research on the matter. He said Tony Izzo cited the
comptroller’s opinion as well as information from NYCOM. He said the comptroller’s opinion states that it is an
appropriate expenditure. He said in Tony Izzo’s memorandum, he cited the dollar value of $75 and thought
that would be an appropriate maximum level. Commissioner Thomas Curley said perhaps there should be
some kind of program or framework that would establish the basis for giving these recognitions to employees.
Tony Izzo noted there are a significant number of volunteers in the City. Commissioner Thomas Curley said in
some cases they should be recognized. He said it is a widely accepted practice to honor people.
Therefore, Commissioner Thomas Curley moved and Mayor Michael Lenz seconded to allow the
purchase of items to recognize individual’s service to the City with a limit of $75. Ayes: four; Nays:
one (Commissioner Stephen Towne). Motion carried.
Fire Department Grant
Commissioner Thomas Curley announced that the Fire Department is the recipient of a grant in the amount of
$112,404 from Homeland Security Administration/FEMA. He said this grant money will be used to acquire
firefighting equipment and more specifically personal protective equipment. He said it could also be used for
ice water safety equipment and hazardous material equipment.
Parillo Parking Lot for Rotary Home Show
Commissioner Thomas Curley said that he had been talking to the City Center Authority on parking
arrangements for the Rotary Home Show during March. He said they have made the decision that those
individuals who are working the Rotary Show will park in the Parillo parking lot. He said that will free up the
City Center lot for those people wishing to visit the home show.
SUPERVISORS
Phil Klein said he received a copy of the letter dated February 11 to the Council members regarding the sewer
district. He said while the sewer matter generally falls to the Commissioner of DPW, he suggested that he,
Skippy and the two Sewer District Commissioners work with DPW.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said this is a Council matter and not a DPW matter. Bill McTygue, Director,
Utilities said there are both advantages and disadvantages with the sewer district’s proposal. He said the City
has a difference of opinion with the sewer district on their methodology of billing. He said it is DPW’s position
that the entire County should be metered. He said if the City is to accept the sewer district’s methodology,
then a comprehensive analysis needs to be done. Bill McTygue said it was a safe assumption that some
residents will see an increase in their bills while others will see a decrease. He said this is a very complicated
billing structure. He said that our sewer bills are based on the water consumption.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said that it was also important to note that the City maintains the 23 sewage
pumping stations within the City limits while other municipalities do not. Commissioner Thomas McTygue said
the County maintains the stations in the new subdivisions in Clifton Park.
Bill McTygue said no matter what happens to the billing system, the City will still have the collector fee added
onto the bills.
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Phil Klein said it could be a good exercise for the City to go through this process, review all of the materials
and perhaps make a counter offer to the County. He said the County has said in the past that they would be
willing to accept the pumping stations. He said the City should utilize the two sewer district commissioners
and have them work with DPW on this matter.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said what the he needed was for the County to make a proposal to the City.
It was agreed that the appropriate individuals would be brought together to discuss this matter. Bill McTygue
said this could require a structure by structure analysis which was no small task.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue again said this was not just a DPW matter but rather a Council matter.
EXECUTIVE SESSION
Mayor Michael Lenz moved and Commissioner Thomas Curley seconded to adjourn to executive
session at 8:55 p.m. to discuss land acquisition. Ayes all. Council members returned at 9:25 p.m.
ADJOURNMENT
Commissioner Thomas McTygue moved and Mayor Michael Lenz seconded to adjourn the meeting at 9:25
p.m. Ayes all. There being no further business, Mayor Michael Lenz adjourned the meeting at 9:25 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Kathy Moran
Clerk
Approved:
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