City Council
Regular MeetingSaratoga Springs, NY · September 21, 2004
Minutes
CITY OF SARATOGA SPRINGS
CITY COUNCIL MEETING
CITY COUNCIL ROOM
TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 21, 2004
6:45 P.M.
PRESENT: Commissioner Thomas Curley, DPS
Michael Lenz, Mayor
Commissioner Matthew McCabe, Finance
Commissioner Thomas McTygue, DPW
Commissioner Stephen Towne, Accounts
ABSENT: Phil Klein, Supervisor
Anthony Scirocco, Supervisor
STAFF PRESENT: Matthew Dorsey, City Attorney
Patrick Design, Deputy Commissioner, DPW
Erin Dreyer, Deputy Commissioner, DPS
Debbie Harper, Deputy Commissioner, Accounts
Alicia Wardell, Deputy Mayor
Executive Session
Council members adjourned to executive session at 6:00 p.m. to discuss land acquisition and a DPS personnel
matter. Council members returned to regular session at 6:45 p.m. Mayor Michael Lenz reported that no
action was taken on either item.
PUBLIC HEARING
Lodging Establishments & Eating and Drinking Establishments
Mayor Michael Lenz opened the public hearing.
Geoff Bornemann said the Joint Zoning Amendment Workgroup had been asked to review the rooming house
definition in connection with Chapter 136 of the City Code on Lodging Establishments and Eating and Drinking
Establishment. He said the group met four times to review the material. The committee made two
recommendations: that the rooming house definition be eliminated and categories of corridor rooming house
and neighborhood rooming house be added. They also recommended that the record of lodgers section be
amended to include that the record identify which rooms in the establishment were occupied during the day
and evening and how many persons occupied each room. He said the more significant change was to include
“levels” of categories for rooming houses and bed & breakfasts. He said the larger rooming houses would be
allowed in the “corridor” areas of the City while the smaller ones would be allowed in other sections of the City.
He said the length of stay for rooming houses was established at 28 days.
Eileen Oliver, 181 Phila Street, said her business is licensed as a rooming house and it is a small scale
operation. She said these amendments would effectively put her out of business. She has made a significant
investment to this home. Her neighbors have made her feel unwelcome with their complaints. She is
struggling to maintain her livelihood and asked that the Council not accept these recommendations.
Randall Veitch, attorney from Whiteman, Osterman & Hanna representing Eileen Oliver, said the Council
should first consider the SEQR. He said that it must be addressed with these recommendations. He said
there is no rationale for the 28 day length of stay period, thereby making it arbitrary and capricious. He said
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through their research of many communities, they have found that there is no length of stay indicated. He said
approving these changes would set a precedent in that when a small group of neighbors can raise their voice
based on unsubstantiated allegations, a category of business could be eliminated. He also suggested that
logic would dictate that both the zoning ordinance and the licensing procedures would be adopted in
conjunction with one another.
Susan Steer, 180 Phila Street, supported the revision to the licensing procedures. She said Eileen Oliver
obtained a license without a public hearing because one was not required. She said Eileen Oliver advertises
as a bed & breakfast and holds weddings and special events. She said Eileen Oliver had been instructed by
then City Attorney Jeff Wait that she could not hold special events but recently she held a rehearsal party.
She advertises on the Lily & Rose Web Site as holding special events. She said there is a parking problem in
this area. She said special use permits should be required for this type of use. She had a petition with 59
signatures all opposing this use. She said there needs to be a clear and distinct difference in the length of
stay between rooming house and bed & breakfasts. This is a neighborhood and they did not want a transient
population. She questioned why Phila and Caroline Streets and Nelson Avenue were included in the “corridor”
category. She said this neighborhood is very different from corridors since Union Avenue.
David Perry, 173 Phila Street, said he supported the 28 day stay, public hearing and site plan review. He said
Phila and Caroline Streets and Nelson Avenue should not be included in the corridor category. He also said
the lack of enforcement was an issue. He said Eileen Oliver has been directed to stop the special events but
she continues to do so. He said when there is a violation the license should be revoked.
Bob Turner, 180 Phila Street, said the Council should consider removing the rooming house definition. He
said the lack of enforcement for Eileen Oliver’s special events was of great concern. He said that she rents out
all 13 of her rooms which puts her in the second category. He questioned whether she was paying the room
tax. He said this has been a struggle for more than two years. This is a residential neighborhood and he did
not want to see commercial use. The record of lodgers should also be made available to the code
enforcement officers.
There being no one else wishing to speak, Mayor Michael Lenz closed the public hearing.
CALL TO ORDER
Mayor Michael Lenz called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m.
PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD
Bob Cleary, 127 Van Dam Street, said he supported Commissioner Matthew McCabe’s idea of purchasing the
parking lot on Wells Street and developing it into a park. He said it was his understanding that the lot was for
sale for $50,000 and it would be an appropriate purchase under the bond act. He said a small park on the
north side is needed.
Teresa Capazolla, 57 Gilbert Road, encouraged the Council to move forward with the rezoning of the
Anderson parcel along Gilbert Road/Lake Avenue. She said that the Council previously supported the RR1
zoning, however, the decisions was turned over by the Courts. She said the Comprehensive Plan suggests
that the area should be zone RR1. This has been an issue since 1999. She previously submitted a petition
with 140 signatures in support of the RR1 designation. She said this is a big part of the city in the country
slogan and there needs to be some country left. They are committed to keeping the downtown strong and limit
the sprawl. She said Gilbert Road cannot handle increased traffic. She reminded Council members that they
had campaigned on this issue and urged Council members to support the RR1 designation.
Patricia Driscoll, 102 Van Dam Street, encouraged the Council to purchase the small parcel of land near Wells
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Street and to develop it into a park.
Larry Toole, Longwood Drive, also said that Council should designate the Anderson parcel as RR1. He said
the Council should reinstate their original vote on this matter.
Greg Anderson, son of the Anderson property owner, said the 1999 comprehensive plan called for high
density residential zoning due to the projected shortage of affordable housing in the City. He said there is a
workforce housing issue in the City. He said they are developing a proposal to be submitted to the Planning
Board in the very near future and he wanted fair opportunity to make this presentation. He asked the Council
to allow that to happen.
Patricia Izzo, 13 Piping Rock Circle, said the Anderson property should be zoned as two acres and urged the
Council to reinstate its original decision.
John Thomas, 8 Piping Rock Circle said there is a lot of green space in this area with a lot of wild vegetation
and animals noting in particular the black bear population. He asked the wilderness in this area should be
preserved.
Gene Sirianni, 117 VanDam Street, said he supported the idea of making a small pocket park of the parking lot
near Wells Street. He said it would be a wonderful enhancement to the neighborhood.
Mayor Michael Lenz closed the public comment period.
ACCOUNTS DEPARTMENT
Lodging Establishments and Eating & Drinking Establishments (04-173)
Commissioner Stephen Towne said that the modification to this ordinance is not about 181 Phila Street. He
said there are four other establishments in the City that will be impacted by this change. He said this review of
this ordinance is part of his overall review of ordinances used by his department. He said this committee had
15 members and met many time to produce a thorough document. He said that when the document reached
the Council, he pulled the rooming house category out for further review and the Council supported the
document unanimously. The Joint Zoning Workgroup committee reviewed the definition and has now
submitted their recommendations to the Council. He said the other rooming house establishments have been
made aware of these proposed changes and they comfortable with the changes. Commissioner Stephen
Towne said that the committee also allowed for some leeway by recommending that two renewal periods be
allowed to give the applicants time to comply with the ordinance.
Commissioner Stephen Towne moved and Mayor Michael Lenz seconded to adopt the
recommendations of the Joint Zoning Amendment Workgroup and amend Chapter 136 of the City
Code entitled Lodging Establishments and Eating & Drinking Establishments to amend Section 136-1
and add the definition of rooming house as proposed and discussed and to amend Section 136-8
Record of Lodgers to include the new material as proposed and discussed.
Commissioner Thomas Curley asked if about the other rooming house establishments. Geoff Bornemann said
he had spoken with other establishments and they can all apply under one of the categories provided in the
ordinance. Commissioner Thomas Curley asked about the SEQR matter. Tony Izzo said it is a Type II SEQR
action and, therefore, exempt. Commissioner Thomas Curley said he was not comfortable with the 28 day
length of stay, but due to lack of objection from property owners would support the motion.
Commissioner Matthew McCabe said that he would support this proposal and hoped that Eileen Oliver could
work with the City in making her business continue.
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Ayes all.
MAYOR=S OFFICE
Taping of Council meetings
Mayor Michael Lenz reported that Council meetings were now being taped and shown on Time Warner Cable.
The tape is shown on the Monday following the meeting.
Henry Street Zoning Amendment Petition
Commissioner Thomas McTygue recused himself as he is one of the applicants.
Mayor Michael Lenz said the Council has received a petition from four property owners for a zoning map
amendment that would change the classification of five parcels of land on Henry Street near McTygue Alley
from Urban Residential-4 single family, two-family and multi-family residential use to Transect-5 Neighborhood
Center District (mixed use). The Council needs to decide if it will accept this petition for study and forward it to
the City Planning Board for the required advisory opinion.
Mayor Michael Lenz moved and Commissioner Stephen Towne seconded to accept the petition for
study and to send it to the City Planning Board for an advisory opinion. Ayes all.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue resumed his seat on the Council.
Lodging Establishment and Eating & Drinking Establishments Zoning Amendments
Mayor Michael Lenz said the Council had received a request from the Joint Zoning Amendment Workgroup for
a set of zoning text and map amendments relating to regulations for rooming houses, bed & breakfast facilities
and other lodging establishments. The Council needs to decide if it will accept these amendments for study
and forward it to the City Planning Board for the required advisory opinion.
Mayor Michael Lenz moved and Commissioner Stephen Towne seconded to accept the proposed
amendments for study and to send it to the City Planning Board for an advisory opinion.
Commissioner Stephen Towne said he would like the Planning Board to focus part of their discussions on the
corridor issue and the criteria for how those determinations are made.
Ayes all.
Appointments (04-174)
Mayor Michael Lenz announced the appointment of Chris Signor to the Zoning Board of Appeals and Beau
Kilmer to the Recreation Commission.
Economic Development Revolving Loan Application (04-175
Mayor Michael Lenz moved and Commissioner Thomas McTygue seconded to approve the Economic
Development Revolving Loan application from Paul Tommell, Land Surveyor at 73 Excelsior Avenue
for $75,000 at 5 percent fixed rate for ten year amortization with a five year term. There will be at least
three new FTEs within two years for persons of low and moderate income. Projects include a total of
eight new FTE positions and the retention of 11 FTE positions. Ayes all.
CDBG Subrecipent Contract Extensions (04-176)
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Mayor Michael Lenz moved and Commissioner Thomas Curley seconded to approve the contract
extension from subrecipents receiving Community Development Block Grant funding as follows:
Shelters of Saratoga, Home Made Theater, Domestic Violence and Rape Crises Services and Saratoga
Center for the family. Ayes all.
St. Paul Evangelical Lutheran Church 110th Anniversary Proclamation (04-177)
Mayor Michael Lenz read the following proclamation into the record:
A PROCLAMATION
of the City of Saratoga Springs
WHEREAS, Saint Paul's Evangelical Lutheran Church held its first worship service
October 14, 1894, at the Temperance Hall, 445 Broadway, Saratoga Springs, New York
WHEREAS, Saint Paul's Evangelical Lutheran Church is celebrating its 110th
anniversary
WHEREAS, Saint Paul's Evangelical Lutheran Church since its beginning has carried
out a Christ centered ministry of Word and Sacrament
WHEREAS, Saint Paul's Evangelical Lutheran Church during its early years
worshipped in various rented locations in Saratoga Springs, New York, and then purchased its
first building on Henry Street, Saratoga Springs, New York in 1900
WHEREAS, Saint Paul's Evangelical Lutheran Church has worshipped at its current
location of 149 Lake Avenue, Saratoga Springs, New York since 1960 and expanded these
facilities in 1995
WHEREAS, Saint Paul's Evangelical Lutheran Church in 1996 established its
Christian Childhood Center that now serves over 100 preschool aged children on a weekly
basis through its preschool and extended day programs
WHEREAS, Saint Paul's Evangelical Lutheran church expanded its ministry to
families and youth through the addition of an Associate Pastor for Family Life and Youth
Ministry in 2000
WHEREAS, Saint Paul's Evangelical Lutheran Church in its desire to meet the human
care needs of the community has expanded its outreach ministry by adding a Director of
Human Care to its staff in 2003
WHEREAS, Saint Paul's Evangelical Lutheran Church is a congregation that now
numbers over 525 confirmed members and over 950 baptized members
NOW, THEREFORE, I, Michael A. Lenz, Mayor of the City of Saratoga Springs, am
pleased to congratulate Saint Paul's Evangelical Lutheran Church on the occasion of the
110th Anniversary of its first worship service and express gratitude to the people of Saint
Paul's Evangelical Lutheran Church for their faithful and dedicated service to the community of
Saratoga Springs, New York and the surrounding area.
Capital Budget - 2005
Mayor Michael Lenz moved and Commissioner Matthew McCabe seconded to add the topic of the 2005
Capital Budget to the agenda. Ayes all.
Mayor Michael Lenz said that earlier today the proposed 2005 Capital Budget had been distributed. He said
the Capital Project Committee met four times and submitted a proposed capital budget to his office. He said
this capital budget is a good starting point for discussion by the Council.
Commissioner Matthew McCabe said the budget process was off to a good start with all budgets being
submitted to his office on time.
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ACCOUNTS DEPARTMENT
September 7, 2004, Meeting Minutes
Commissioner Stephen Towne moved and Commissioner Matthew McCabe seconded to approve the
September 7 meeting minutes. Ayes all.
September 21, 2004, Meeting Minutes
Commissioner Stephen Towne moved and Commissioner Thomas Curley seconded to approve the
September 21 meeting minutes. Ayes all.
Commissioners of Deeds
Commissioner Stephen Towne announced the appointment of the following individuals as Commissioners of
Deeds with a term of two years: Gloria Battaglini, Accounts Department; and Michael Chowske, Daniel Mullan,
John Barney, Christopher Kuznia, Linda Quattrinni, Anthony Scirocco, John Catone and Edward Lewis all of
the Police Department.
Award of Bid - Commercial Duty Utility Service Body
Upon the recommendation of the Department of Public Works, Commissioner Stephen Towne moved
and Commissioner Thomas McTygue seconded to award the bid for the Commercial Duty Utility
Service Body to STS Truck Equipment & Trailer of Albany in the amount of $6,595 (low bidder). This
bid has been reviewed by the Purchasing Department and meets the Purchasing Guidelines. Ayes all.
Traffic Consultant for Excelsior Avenue
Commissioner Stephen Towne said the Planning Board has proposed to develop a traffic improvement plan
and fair share cost plan for the Excelsior Avenue Corridor. This plan would evaluate the development potential
of the corridor, identify traffic impacts, review alternative solutions and develop a long range plan for traffic
improvements within the corridor from High Rock Avenue to Veteran’s Way. The City has received $25,000
from one of the development projects in this area to pay for the study. The Accounts Department distributed
proposals to 12 consulting firms and received 2 responses. A subcommittee of the Planning Board reviewed
the responses and has made the recommendation that the firm of Edwards and Kelcey be retained because
they had the most appropriate responses to the RFP and had the best knowledge of the local issues. By a
vote of 6-0, the Planning Board made a recommendation to the City Council that Edwards and Kelcey be
retained to assist the Board.
Upon the recommendation of the Planning Office, Commissioner Stephen Towne moved and
Commissioner Thomas McTygue seconded to award the RFP for the Traffic Improvement Plan for the
Excelsior Avenue corridor to Edwards and Kelcey in the amount of $24,980. The RFP has been
reviewed by the Purchasing Department and meets the Purchasing Guidelines. Ayes all.
Contract for City Council Clerk
Commissioner Stephen Towne moved and Commissioner Matthew McCabe seconded to authorize the
Mayor to sign the contract with Barbara Johnson for her services in taking minutes at City Council
meetings. Ayes all.
Lodging Establishments and Eating & Drinking Establishments - Previously discussed.
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Defensive Driver Program
Commissioner Stephen Towne said the Defensive Drive Training Program was held yesterday with 30
employees attending. The program was a recommendation under the Safe City Program. The program was
paid for by Marshall & Sterling. The objective was to reduce incidents, increase safety and lower premiums.
Commissioner Stephen Towne thanked both Commissioners Thomas McTygue and Thomas Curley for their
assistance in making employees available for this program.
Risk & Safety Manager - Appointment (04-178)
Commissioner Stephen Towne announced the permanent appointment of Marilyn Rivers as Risk & Safety
Manager effective September 10.
Assessment Department Reorganization - Withdrew.
Assessment Department Salaries (04-179)
Commissioner Stephen Towne said there will be numerous changes in the Assessment Department with the
retirement of Joe Williams, Assistant City Assessor. Because the existing position description is outdated, he
worked with state and county representatives on redeveloping this position. The position has increased in
responsibility and complexity over the years. He has reviewed the new position description with Civil Service.
Due to the increased level of responsibility he was now looking to increase the compensation. The position is
currently at Grade 14 but he would like to increase it to between Grade 15 and 17 for a maximum salary level
of $68,000 according to the current salary structure. He said he planned to bring the exact grade and step
back to the Council at a later date. He noted that any change from the current salary to the new salary will be
subsidized with the money from the state.
Commissioner Stephen Towne moved and Mayor Michael Lenz seconded that the position of the
Assistant Assessor be at a grade between Grade 15 and Grade 17 under the existing salary structure.
Ayes all.
FINANCE OFFICE
Payrolls
Commissioner Matthew McCabe moved and Commissioner Thomas Curley seconded to approve the
payrolls as follows: September 10, 2004 -- $358,995.78 and September 17, 2004 B $369,721.37. Ayes all.
Warrants
Commissioner Matthew McCabe moved and Commissioner Stephen Towne seconded to approve the
warrants as follows:
2004 regular warrant 9/21/04 2SEP04 $2,643,830.84
2004 mini warrant 9/15/04 MC040915 $ 76,459.78
2004 mini warrant 9/16/04 MC091604 $ 5,904.90
Ayes all.
Budget Transfers
Commissioner Matthew McCabe moved and Commissioner Stephen Towne seconded for the approval
of the 2004 budget transfers (Attachment A) previously distributed with Friday’s agenda as follows:
Lines 1-12 are a request from recreation to cover an increased number of participants in programs, a
change in the hourly rate for instructors, start up money for the concession, materials to repair
skatepark and an increase in number of rainy day activities due to weather. Lines 13-16 no
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explanation needed. Lines 17-18 are a request from public safety to cover emergency repairs to the
septic system at police garage. Lines 19-20 are a request from Accounts to assist in payment of
additional recreation property and casualty activity. Lines 21-23 are a request from public safety o
cover the cost of phones for remainder of year. Lines 24-27 no explanation needed. Lines 28-30 are a
request from finance to properly budget for 2004 interest payment on 2004 Bond. Lines 31-35 no
explanation needed. Lines 36-39 are a request from the City Attorney to cover the cost of the part time
legal stenographer. Lines 40-41 are a request from public safety to purchase office equipment for
code enforcement to improve working conditions. Lines 42-50 no explanation needed. Lines 51-52 are
to cover general expenses not previously budgeted. Lines 53-54 no explanation needed. Ayes all.
Budget Amendments
Commissioner Matthew McCabe moved and Commissioner Thomas Curley seconded for the approval
of the 2004 budget amendments (Attachment B) previously distributed with Friday’s agenda as
follows: Lines 1-2 are a request from Accounts to properly record the award of a records management
grant. Lines 3-6 are a request from recreation to record donations for the skatepark and cover a
reimbursement for rainy day activities. Lines 7-19 are a request from recreation to record an increase
in number of participants. Lines 20-21 are a request from public safety to record an overtime
reimbursement from New York State for EMS training. Lines 22-26 are a request from public safety to
use surplus to cover the cost of the Firefighters contract. Lines 27-28 are a request from Engineering
to use additional site inspection fees to pay for part time person. Lines 29-30 are to record an increase
in publication copies paid by public. Lines 31-32 are a request from public safety to record a
reimbursement for the STEP grant. Lines 33-34 were not used. Lines 35-36 are a request from public
safety to record revenue from the sale of vehicles. Lines 37-39 are a request from public safety to
record a reimbursement from NYRA for fire services. Lines 40-41 are a request from UHAP to record
video sales. Lines 42-43 is to record a reimbursement from NYMIR for 2000 Crown Victoria. Lines 44-
47 are a request from UHAP to record video sales, donations and brochure rentals. Ayes all.
Navy Utility Bills
Commissioner Matthew McCabe said that at a previous City Council meeting, during a presentation made by
the Navy, he mentioned to the Navy outstanding water and sewer bills they had with the City. After that
meeting, the Navy contacted Mike King and a meeting was held. Mike King reviewed the delinquent bills and
was able to obtain payment from the Navy in August. The Navy is now current.
Recreation Open Space
Commissioner Matthew McCabe said he would like to pursue the idea of purchasing the school owned parcel
of land near Wells Street, using bond act funds, and developing the area into a park. He said it would be an
appropriate use of those funds. He said he would discuss the idea with Council members and would bring this
back for further discussion at a later date. He also pointed out that there was no compelling reason to spend
the entire $5 million allowed under the bond act. He said the Council owes it to the residents to express a
clear vision on how parcels will be used.
Final Numbers on Summer Parking, Track/Street Vendors - Withdrawn.
Anderson Property - Referral to the Planning Board
Commissioner Matthew McCabe said the Anderson parcel should be zoned as RR1 and there is precedent for
that zoning. He said he hoped there would be support from the Council to accept this proposal and forward it
to the Planning Board for an advisory opinion.
Tony Izzo said the Council previously engaged the services of Behan Associates to evaluate the Anderson
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property and to prepare the SEQR documents. He said it was originally zoned SWAD and then rezoned to
RR1, however, the courts overturned the decision on a procedural issue so it reverted back to the SWAD. The
question is, should it be brought back to the Council to be rezoned to RR1. He said the Behan document is
extensive and concludes that the area is developable as RR1 and meets the acceptable guidelines and
thresholds to be developed as RR1.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said a motion should be brought forth before the item is discussed.
Commissioner Matthew McCabe moved to accept the amendment for study and to send it to the Planning
Board for an advisory opinion. There was no second.
2005 Budget - Set Public Hearing
Commissioner Matthew McCabe said the 2005 budget requests were due September 15. All were received in
a timely fashion. He will prepare a comprehensive budget, as called for in the Charter, for submission to the
Council at the October 5 Council meeting.
Commissioner Matthew McCabe requested a budget workshop for Tuesday, October 12 at 6:00 p.m. in the
City Council Room and the first public hearing on Tuesday, October 19 at 6:30 p.m. in the City Council Room.
Two more public hearings will be held between October 19 and November 30. He reminded Council members
that the budget needs to be adopted by November 30. He said the first two public hearings would be used for
public comment only and not City department comment. The departments can comment at the third public
hearing.
It was agreed the Capital Budget would also be discussed at the October 12 workshop, therefore, the time was
moved to 5:00 p.m.
Sales Tax - Vendor Reporting
Commissioner Matthew McCabe said that recently 70 more vendors were identified in the capital region as
failing to report their sales tax on the City line. He said they are paying their taxes, just not to the right
municipality. He said 70 was a good number and there is more every week. He said that as this list continues
to grow, he will keep Council members informed.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue commented that it was interesting that the Board of Supervisors reduced the
sales tax percentage going to the City of Mechanicville. He wondered why the Board of Supervisors would
reduce that amount with the rather large budget surplus they have.
DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS
Submarine Convention
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said Saratoga Springs is different from other communities as shown during
the recent submarine convention. He said the graciousness of the community is incredible. He said that
throughout the week he received compliments from the conventioneers on the warm welcome they received.
He thanked all City Hall employees who participated for volunteering their time at the Casino during the
welcoming party. He said the restaurants, hotels and the City as a whole did well during this convention. He
noted that this was the first parade that the submarine personnel ever had.
South Broadway Rehabilitation - Public Information Meeting
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said that a public information meeting would be held on Thursday,
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September 23 at 7:00 p.m. with City staff and the design consultants on the rehabilitation of the South
Broadway corridor. He said this project includes road work, sidewalks, and curbs.
Geyser Crest Wellfields
Rich Straut, Barton & Loguidice, said that Michael Brother, Brown & Caldwell, was here this evening to make a
presentation on the capacity at the Geyser Crest Well field. He said the specific issue was the capacity during
the drought times. During the SEQR process for the alternative water source, there were some questions
raised on that issue. He said the issue was whether the lower capacity levels are due to the lack of
precipitation or did the wells need to be cleaned.
Michael Brother, Brown & Caldwell, made a power point presentation. He said the two key issues were: 1)
was the reduction in the well field capacity in 1999 a result of fouling or the consequence of aquifer or
climatological limitations; or 2) could the well field rehabilitation of the well field lead to a significant increase in
well field capacity.
Michael Brother said the well is located to the southwest of the City off of Geyser Road on Hathorn Boulevard.
It is comprised of Lacustrine delta and Lacustrine sand. The City purchased the well field in 1979 and when it
was pumping .35 mgpd. In 1985, the City connected the well to the City system and the flow was increased to
1.25 mgpd, however, the permit was for 2 mgpd. The estimated yield is 1.8 mgpd although the design
capacity is for 1.7 mgpd. In 1999, drought of record, only .5 mgpd was pumped.
Michael Brother said this is a surficial unconfined aquifer which is exposed to atmospheric pressure, recharged
from precipitation thereby making performance correlated with annual precipitation. Therefore, in drought
years less water is available. The wells range in size from 6 to 24 inches and are between 40 and 60 feet in
depth. He said wells four and six cannot be used at the same time because of their proximity to one another.
He then displayed a chart showing the precipitation and performance of the wells and that correlation. He
noted that when perception declines, the pumping capacity decreases. He further noted that when the
perception returns to average levels, so does the pumping capacity. Michael Brother said the City responded
to the 1999 drought by decreasing the amount of water pumped so as to not pump them dry.
Michael Brother said the field operators do what they can by monitoring the wells, pressure, draw down rates,
efficiencies, etc. He said that they recently noted a decline in the gpm per foot in well seven, did an acid wash
and increased the gpm per foot.
Michael Brother said the performance of the wells are constrained by the available perception and recharge.
He said there is a thin saturated area and large quantities are being pumped. He noted that the levels during
1999 correlate region wide and was not due to fouling or mineral clogging. He said well interference
contributed to capacity limitation, however, with optimal well spacing the system would remain still remain
vulnerable during drought years. He said the maintenance activities have been effective in restoring or
enhancing capacity. He said that from the stand point of additional capacity, there is little room for expansion
due to the subdivision. He said under the optimum well spacing scenario, it would be likely that only a few
hundred gallons per minute would be derived.
Commissioner Stephen Towne asked what the “significant” increase and what was the frame of reference
percentage wise. Michael Brother said well rehabilitation efforts are best implemented when there is evidence
of a decline. He said, though, that the City cannot improve a well field if there is no clogging. He said the City
cannot affect the aquifer, only the pumping. Commissioner Stephen Towne said one of the slides referenced
“significant” increases and asked how much more would it need to be increased in order to be significant.
Michael Brother said it would be surprising if by any well rehabilitation as this field that the increase would be
more than five percent. He said the system is currently functioning well. He said if the system had been
neglected there could be some improvements, however, this system is being properly maintained.
Mayor Michael Lenz asked about the permitted 2 mgpd and if the City could draw more. Rich Straut said that
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the City is permitted to draw 2 mgpd by DEC permit. He noted though that was before well seven came on
line. He explained that initial reports showed that the City could potentially pump 4 mgpd, however, those
estimates have decreased. When the wells were pump tested together it was the intent to get to 3.8 mgpd,
however, the City did not achieve that level. He said the City cannot get 2 mgpd at this time and is currently
pumping about .5 mgpd. Mayor Michael Lenz said that this whole topic came up when a firm requested to go
out and test the well field. It was at that time that the Council agreed to open it up to all firms. He asked if the
information that the firms would require had been included in this report (historical pumping records,
maintenance, water quality data, well construction drawings, etc.). Rich Straut said that the firm requesting the
information was a firm that specializes in rehabilitating wells. He said his firm, Barton & Loguidice, does not
specialize in well rehabilitation, but did the analysis to obtain the data. He said the analysis is showing that the
DEIS is correct in that the City could not realistically expect to pump 2 mgpd from the Geyser wells. The data
from 1999 showed that the City was close to pumping air. The data shows that well four could use some
rehabilitation, however, with that rehabilitation, it would not be enough to solve the City’s water issues. Mayor
Michael Lenz asked if these were shallow wells and would it help to go deeper. Michael Brother said these
are shallow wells due to the bedrock. He said the City is restricted geographically by where the wells are
located.
Commissioner Matthew McCabe asked if in their research, did they look at the geology in the region. Michael
Brother said there is potential for more wells, but it would be a large investment in the City’s infrastructure.
Release DEIS Responsiveness Document (04-180)
Doug Ward said that the release of this document had been outlined in his September 17 memo which
included a draft resolution. He said after the resolution is adopted there is a mandatory ten day waiting period
for the findings statement. The last step in this process is the findings statement which is the document that
the Council uses to evaluate the FEIS and to weigh the impacts. He said the resolution this evening was just
the step to release the document to the public.
Doug Ward then read the resolution:
Resolution Regarding the Public Release of a Final Environmental
Impact Statement for a Water Source Development Project
WHEREAS, the City of Saratoga Springs has proposed to develop a new water
supply source to meet the community’s long-term and emergency water supply needs.
WHEREAS, this proposal must be evaluated pursuant to the requirements of the
State Environmental Quality Review Acts (SEQRA) (Article 8 of the New York State
Environmental Conservation Law) and implementing regulations (6 NYCRR Part 617).
WHEREAS, on September 9, 2004, the City Council, as Lead Agency under SEQRA,
was provided with a Final Environmental Impact Statement (FEIS) for the Project by the City’s
engineering consultants.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that pursuant to 6 NYCRR 617.9(a) (5-6)
and other provisions of SEQRA, this FEIS shall be released to the public and filed and a
Notice shall be filed, circulated and published in accordance with 6 NYCRR 617.12.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue moved and Commissioner Matthew McCabe seconded to release the
responsive document. Ayes all.
Donation Received
Commissioner Thomas McTygue moved and Commissioner Stephen Towne seconded to accept the
$20 donation from Marlene Lane. The donation was made due to her enjoyable experience at the
carousel. Ayes all.
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Donation to the Town of Greenfield
Commissioner Thomas McTygue moved and Mayor Michael Lenz seconded to approve the donation of
the 1994 Ford F-700 Chipper Truck to the Town of Greenfield. The estimated value of the vehicle is
$1,500. Ayes all.
Water Treatment Plant Open House
Commissioner Thomas McTygue reported that the Water Treatment Plant would hold an open house on
Saturday, October 2.
Pedestrian Improvement Project (04-181)
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said that on August 27 Paul Male sent the Council a memo concerning the
pedestrian improvements project. He said he was requesting that the Design consultant modify the Woodlawn
Parking lot so that all existing trees can remain for an added cost of $3,789.60 and also provide additional
elevations on the plans along Caroline and Putnam Streets for an additional fee of $959.40 for a total of
$4,749. This will be reimbursed 80 percent by the state when the work is completed.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue moved and Commissioner Matthew McCabe seconded that the
pedestrian improvement project be modified as stated above.
Commissioner Matthew McCabe said he was concerned with the “use it or lose it” concept. He asked if the
City would see some net gain of parking spaces. Commissioner Thomas McTygue said yes. He said this
particular part of the pedestrian improvement project was a small part. He said the project will be reimbursed
80 percent from the state and it was only a small amount of City funds. He said while the Council is trying to
decide whether to construct a garage in this area, the City can still get some use from this property. He said
the trees could be cut down, but he would rather see them saved. Bill McTygue said the project had been
designed and it is nearly ready to go out to bid by the state. He said the City has asked for a small
modification to the design along Caroline Street sidewalk width. He said with the redesign along Caroline
Street, the north side will allow one additional foot of pavement for vehicles.
Commissioner Thomas Curley asked if this project was the same project that has the traffic signals for Spring
Street. Geoff Bornemann said this project included many things such as the Spring Street traffic signal,
improvements on Putnam & Caroline Streets, traffic signals along Broadway and the Woodlawn Avenue
parking lot area. He said this project has been ongoing for about six years
Mayor Michael Lenz asked if the money could be reallocated. Bill McTygue said no, the funding had already
been established and could not be reallocated for other projects. He said it might be possible that the project
could be jeopardized if the City started changing or removing things.
Ayes all.
DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY
Calls for Service -- Statistics
Commissioner Thomas Curley reported that from January 1 to September 6, the DPS had 1,800 calls and he
estimated that would grow to 2,500 by the end of the year. He said that of the track related calls (365), 213
were for EMS assistance. He said that about 65 percent of the calls are EMS calls.
Child Safety Seat Program
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Commissioner Thomas Curley announced a child safety seat check for September 25 between 3:00 p.m. and
6:00 p.m. at the Alstar dealership on Route 50.
Executive Session -- Personnel Matter
Commissioner Thomas Curley reported that no action was taken.
Spa Net Contract
Commissioner Thomas Curley moved and Commissioner Stephen Towne seconded to approve the
contract with Spa Net for computer services subject to the City Attorney working out the minor details
of the contract with the vendor.
Matthew Dorsey said the contract had been reviewed by Kevin Kling, Marilyn Rivers and himself. He said
there were some minor details that needed to be worked out.
Ayes all.
COUNTY SUPERVISORS
Nothing.
PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD
No member of the public wished to comment.
ADJOURNMENT
Mayor Michael Lenz moved and Commissioner Thomas McTygue seconded to adjourn the meeting at 9:25
p.m. Ayes all. There being no further business, Mayor Michael Lenz adjourned the meeting at 9:25 p.m.
Respectfully submitted
Kathy Moran
Clerk
Approved:
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