City Council
Regular MeetingSaratoga Springs, NY · November 17, 2004
Minutes
CITY OF SARATOGA SPRINGS
CITY COUNCIL MEETING
CITY COUNCIL ROOM
WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 17, 2004
6:00 P.M.
PRESENT: Commissioner Thomas Curley, DPS
Michael Lenz, Mayor
Commissioner Matthew McCabe, Finance
Commissioner Thomas McTygue, DPW
Commissioner Stephen Towne, Accounts
STAFF PRESENT: Erin Dreyer, Deputy Commissioner, DPS
Debbie Harper, Deputy Commissioner, Accounts
Alicia Wardell, Deputy Mayor
Lynn Bochner, Finance
2005 BUDGET WORKSHOP
Commissioner Matthew McCabe said the Council was here this evening to discuss the budget. He adjusted
some figures since yesterday. He does not want to inhibit the services to the residents. He hoped the City
would meet sales tax expectations. There were also some adjustments to the mortgage tax.
Commissioner Stephen Towne said the budget this evening is at $5.17, which is a significant increase from
last year. He offered $50,000 at the last meeting by reducing expenditures and increasing revenues but there
still needs to be more adjustments.
Commissioner Thomas Curley agreed the budget still needed some work, however, it needs to be a
responsible budget that ensures the safety of the community.
Commissioner Matthew McCabe said this is a responsible budget. He added $75,000 to the mortgage tax
revenue and $25,000 to sales tax revenue. The combined tax rate is now at $5.17.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said in his department the difference between the 2004 budget and the 2005
budget was $285,283 which does not include the additional costs for health insurance. His budget has been
reduced by $119,474. His first budget was a five percent increase and now it is down to a three percent
increase which does not include contractual obligations. He has not increased any permanent staff although
their responsibilities have increased with the increase in approved streets and roads. Any cuts should be
made across the board. The Council needs to work together on this matter. There are some departments
where the workload has lightened and said that those employees could take on more responsibilities. His
budget is only three percent over last year.
Commissioner Matthew McCabe said there have been cuts to the initial budget. The Council needs to work
together.
Mayor Michael Lenz said there were many legitimate requests for funding from not-for-profit agencies. He
explained to those agencies that their requests may not be met. The charter calls for new positions in the
amount of $300,000. He was able to fill two of the positions at $60,000 and is looking to fill the third at a much
lower cost. He appreciated the work by Commissioner Matthew McCabe, but is still uncomfortable with the tax
rate.
Commissioner Matthew McCabe said that all departments have been affected by the new charter. He
understood that many are uncomfortable with the tax rate, but the City has many responsibilities. There is
health insurance, contractual obligations, etc. It would be a disservice to adjust the numbers any further.
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Commissioner Stephen Towne said they have a difference of opinion on a responsible budget. He has been
open with his concerns about the proposed budget. He outlined a plan. He is having a hard time with the 18
percent increase. The budget is irresponsible. If the City cannot operate with an 18 percent increase in the
tax rate then the Council is doing something wrong. We have to do things differently. An 18 percent increase
is substantial.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said Council members do not want to vote for a tax increase if it’s not
necessary. He said he was willing to go along with cuts to the unnecessary items but services need to be
maintained. He said the agencies such as the senior center continues to get funding from the City and maybe
it was time to decrease their funding proportionately. He was willing to take more cuts to his budget.
Commissioner Stephen Towne said Commissioner Matthew McCabe has the authority to make those cuts.
Commissioner Matthew McCabe said the average price of a home in the City is $239,000 and those residents
are looking a 9.35 percent increase in their taxes. He said past practices have gotten the City to this point.
Expenditures are exceeding revenues. The Council needs to decide what services are going to be reduced.
He said he would stand by his revenue estimates.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said there are not enough votes here tonight to adopt the budget. If it means
more drastic cuts then it should be done but the cuts need to be done proportionately. He said that many
years ago the Council spent many late nights here working out the details on contracts, but now they have
hired professionals to do those negotiations. He said the Council used to generate the necessary revenues to
cover those increases. The ice rinks have a mechanism set up to pay for their debt service. The new
Zamboni machine did not cost the taxpayers anything because it was paid for out of funds generated from the
ice rink. The carousel also now has a special account with funds that will cover expenditures for the carousel.
The casino generates revenues and the veteran’s brick walkway generated $50,000 which will be used for
restoration on the war memorial. His budget usually comes in at 2 1/2 or 3 percent increase. He has made
changes in his department. Several years ago, he asked his employees to take one week with no pay. He
said he could not do that now. He would have to eliminate positions if the budget is reduced more.
Commissioner Matthew McCabe said he has been working on health insurance and sales tax issues for some
time now. This is a responsible budget that will serve the City well.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said that Commissioner Matthew McCabe recommended some numbers as
the last meeting to cut from the budgets. He suggested that Council members start with 25 percent of those
numbers and continue to work their way up until a budget is passed.
Commissioner Stephen Towne said there is a difference of opinion. Commissioner Matthew McCabe has
done a lot of work on this budget. The City’s Risk Manager was brought on board in a cost neutral method.
There is also a revenue stream for the additional Assessment Department Staff to be hired. He said he was
not interested in layoffs. Before focusing on existing positions, the Council should look at new positions that
are not covered with new revenues. The Council should also look at nonpersonnel related matters.
Commissioner Thomas Curley said the Council needed to be careful to not ignore the things that need to be
taken care of. Equipment is in bad shape and maintenance needs to be reviewed. Often DPS keeps their
vehicles passed their useful lifetime. Maintenance can be put off for only so long.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said that several years ago he asked for chairs for the Casino. He then
made a deal with the Finance Commissioner that his department would purchase the chairs, the casino would
rent them out for functions and the profits would be placed in a special account to be used for Casino
maintenance.
Mayor Michael Lenz said he too has looked for ways to generate revenues for the City. When he was Finance
Commissioner, they did the simple thing of transferring City funds to different higher interest earning accounts
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which generated between $50,000 and $60,000 more in funds for the City. There was also a property auction
which raised a significant amount of money. That extra money was then put into the parking solution fund
which is now at about $300,000. Now the City is looking at building a parking structure at little or no cost to
the taxpayers. They have also formed a partnership with the County to generate revenues.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said the money the City brings in is a good investment for the City. There
should be some discussions though with the County on the OTB and Admissions taxes. The County has a
$20 million surplus.
Commissioner Matthew McCabe said if the city wants to continue the same services it comes with a price.
There being no one else wishing to speak, Mayor Michael Lenz closed the public hearing.
CALL TO ORDER
Mayor Michael Lenz called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m.
PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD
Linda Terricola, Recreation Director, distributed a memo to Council members requesting that they consider
adding the $45,264.38 back into their budget. If it is not added it will result in a reduction in programs.
Equipment will also need to be cut. Last year they received a donation of a copy machine. They have a bare
bones budget. Her department generates more than half of their funding through fees for programs. They
also do a lot of fundraising for equipment and programs. The fees have been increased over the years but it
would be unfair to increase them again. If this money is taken out of the budget, then programs will need to be
reduced or eliminated.
John Krause, 227 Grand Avenue, said the Council is heading in the right direction but it was not there yet.
Revenue generation is good but there must be some cuts. The Council needs to establish a target at perhaps
$4.95. The rate should be below $5.00. It will take another $500,000 to get to that amount. It will still be a 14
percent increase though. The Council needs to continue to work on this.
Mark Lawton, 209 Nelson Avenue, reminded Council members that the Comprehensive budget includes all
budgets and they should be adopted together. He said any public expenditures made by any public official
must be accompanied by an appropriation otherwise it is illegal. All outside funds must be brought into the
City’s budget. There needs to be work on the capital plan. It does not meet the requirements of the charter
and a six year plan needs to be adopted by the end of the year.
John Kaufman, 44 White Street, said he was concerned about the Anderson property. The City in the Country
theme is a powerful image. This is a big issue and it likely to be bigger than the Home Depot issue. If the
Council does not come through and support what the neighbors are asking for it will be an issue during the
next election. Residents are disturbed about the traffic and are concerned that this project will compromise
their quality of life. The Council members should not renege on what they campaigned on.
Dave Bronner, 5 Royal Henley Court, complimented the Council on the good budget discussions. He said he
was concerned though that many City employees work only 33 hours weeks with full benefits. The Council
needs to look at that issue. The City cannot continue to do business in this manner. The co-pay for medical
insurance also needs to be looked at.
Nancy Goldberg, 66 Sarazen Street, said she emailed all Council members about the Lake Avenue/Gilbert
Road issue and she would like confirmation that they have read that email. She said that when the Andersons
purchased this land they knew that it was zoned RR1. There are boards in this City charged with reviewing
these matters. Residents have a right to rely on zoning. The Council should vote to zone this area RR1 and
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then leave the traffic and other details to the Planning Board. She does not believe what is good for the
developers is necessarily good for the City. The inner core needs to be developed.
Carol Maguire, Caroline Street, asked for clarification on the surplus in connection with the parking deck.
Mayor Michael Lenz explained that the City does not have a surplus, but there are funds available for the
parking deck through dedicated funds and grants. He said the cost of the parking structure is estimated to be
at about $2.6 million, the County has offered $1.2 million, the City sold the adjacent lot for $600,000 and there
is $300,000 in a reserve account. Bonding will pay the remaining amount. Those dedicated funds can only be
used for their stated purpose and not to balance the budget.
Nancy Goldberg asked if the City had any control over the school budget. Mayor Michael Lenz said no. The
only control was through voting for school board members. Commissioner Stephen Towne said the school tax
rate was $13.40 and the library rate is $1.40. Commissioner Stephen Towne said that many phone calls to
City Hall are to complain about school taxes. He said the combined tax rate for the school, library and city is
approximately $22.00.
Commissioner Thomas Curley said there are 165 people in his department and only 7 are 33 hour week
positions. The remainder are 40 hour positions.
Teresa Capozolla commended Commissioner Matthew McCabe for bringing forward the Lake Avenue/Gilbert
Road issue three times. She hoped that the Council would remain consistent with their 2003 vote. She asked
the Council to do the right thing.
There being no one else wishing to speak, Mayor Michael Lenz closed the public comment period.
FINANCE DEPARTMENT
2005 Budget (04-224)
Commissioner Matthew McCabe moved and Commissioner Thomas McTygue seconded to approve the
2005 preliminary budget in is entirety, as presented this evening, as the comprehensive budget.
Mayor Michael Lenz said in the past, the Council has adopted the budgets separately. Commissioner
Matthew McCabe said he would like the budget adopted as presented.
Commissioner Thomas Curley said the Council needs to look at its responsibilities. There are some critical
decisions to be made. He said he wanted to assure residents that the services would be maintained. There
would need to be some internal changes though. It was his intention to support the budget.
Roll call vote: Commissioner Stephen Towne No
Commissioner Matthew McCabe Aye
Commissioner Thomas McTygue No
Commissioner Thomas Curley Aye
Mayor Michael Lenz No
Motion denied.
Lake Avenue/Gilbert Road Area Zoning Amendment Petition (04-225)
Commissioner Matthew McCabe moved and Commissioner Thomas McTygue seconded to accept the
Lake/Avenue Gilbert Road Zoning Amendment for study and to send the entire 124 acres and not just
the 80 acres to the City Planning Board for an advisory opinion to rezone the 124 acres to RR1. Ayes
all.
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DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS
Kuchesky Subdivision Proposal
Country Club Estates Submission
Commissioner Thomas McTygue requested that a public hearing be set for December 9 at 7:00 p.m. to
discuss the Kuchesky Subdivision and the Country Club Estates Subdivision.
Mayor Michael Lenz said the final date for the contract approval for the Kuchesky parcel is December 15. He
asked if there was time to get this matter on the Planning Board agenda for subdivision approval by December
15.
Matt Dorsey said if the subdivision is not approved by December 15 the contract will be cancelled. He
cautioned the Council about setting a public hearing in advance of the Planning Board and said this public
hearing does not take place of the Planning Board public hearing. The Planning Board is the board that has
the authority to make the subdivision approval and not the Council. There is no reason for the Council to not
have a public hearing, but this was uncharted ground. He said the other issue was that the City ordinance
requires that prior to submitting an application for subdivision review the applicant must have a signed water
service fee agreement from DPW. Therefore, there is some legal question as to whether there is an
application pending because technically the applicant cannot apply until there is an agreement in place.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said he will deal with that matter after the public hearing. He said he
recently signed a number of single unit water service agreements. He also pointed out that there will be no
street opening permits issued until spring. Matthew Dorsey said there would be up to four water connections
at the Kuchesky parcel. Commissioner Thomas McTygue said he is not holding up the Kuchesky’s
appearance before any board.
Mayor Michael Lenz said this is a difficult situation because the agreement should be signed first. He has a
proposal to change the ordinance. He said the Council is cutting this close. The easiest thing to do is for
DPW to sign the agreement in order for the applicant to get in the line up for the December 15 Planning Board
meeting. Commissioner Thomas McTygue said he was not holding up the process but there have been
concerns expressed by the neighbors. He said the neighbors need to have an opportunity to discuss their
concerns. Mayor Michael Lenz said the ordinance precludes the applicant from appearing before the Board
without a signed agreement.
2005 Budget
It was agreed the Council would meet again on Monday, November 22 at 6:00 p.m. to discuss the budget.
ADJOURNMENT
Mayor Michael Lenz moved and Commissioner Thomas Curley seconded to adjourn tonight’s meeting at 7:50
p.m. Ayes all. There being no further business, Mayor Michael Lenz adjourned the meeting at 7:50 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Kathy Moran
Clerk
Approved:
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