City Council
Regular MeetingSaratoga Springs, NY · August 23, 2005
Minutes
CITY OF SARATOGA SPRINGS
CITY COUNCIL MEETING
CITY COUNCIL ROOM
TUESDAY, AUGUST 23, 2005
9:00 A.M.
PRESENT: Commissioner Thomas Curley, DPS
Mayor Michael Lenz
Commissioner Matthew McCabe, Finance
Commissioner Thomas McTygue, DPW
Commissioner Stephen E. Towne, Accounts
ALSO PRESENT: Phil Klein, Supervisor
ABSENT: Anthony Scirocco, Supervisor
STAFF PRESENT: Lynn Bachner, Deputy Commissioner, Finance
Frank Dudla, Deputy Commissioner, DPS
Matthew Dorsey, City Attorney
CALL TO ORDER
Mayor Michael Lenz called the meeting to order at 9:00 a.m.
PUBLIC HEARING
Church Street Parking Deck hours for parking
Mayor Michael Lenz opened the public hearing on the hours for parking at the Church Street parking deck.
There being no one wishing to speak, Mayor Michael Lenz closed the public hearing.
PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD
Mayor Michael Lenz opened the public comment period. There being no one wishing to speak, Mayor Michael
Lenz closed the public comment period.
MAYOR=S OFFICE
Capital Budget - set public hearing
Mayor Michael Lenz requested that a public hearing be set for September 6 at 6:15 p.m. on the capital budget
Church Street Parking Deck B Contract with the County
Phil Klein, supervisor, said he talked to Mary Ann Johnson, Board of Supervisors chair, and a number of other
supervisors concerning the contract between the City and the County on the County’s share of $1.2 million for
the deck. He said the spirit of the $1.2 million funding to the City was meant to enhance the economic vitality
of the City which in turn impacts the County. He reminded everyone that the City and the County share the
sales tax revenue 50/50. He said the $1.2 million funding was for four years at $300,000 per year. He further
noted that the $1.2 million was the maximum amount from the County. He said that the largest sales tax
generators’ in the County are Clifton Park, Wilton and the City. He explained that the spirit of the discussion
on the County funding the parking deck at $1.2 million was that it was meant to be free parking. He said it was
unfortunate that the contract was not drawn up at the time of the approvals, however, it was always the
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County’s intent that the parking would be free in the parking deck. He said that through his discussions with
the supervisors it was suggested that the City approve this contract, however, noted that the City could seek an
amendment to the contract for special events such as the Victorian Streetwalk or perhaps during August. He
said the County may look upon an amendment favorably if the funds raised from paid parking were to go to the
recreation department or perhaps the senior citizen center. He said that maintenance of the facility may not be
looked upon as favorably as the other two subjects. He said the free parking is meant to encourage people to
come downtown and there should not be an additional burden placed on those individuals coming to
downtown Saratoga Springs to shop or dine.
Commissioner Matthew McCabe said whether it was the spirit of the agreement or not, it was not discussed
until this contract arrived. He said there was discussion on the unrestricted use of the funds during the last
budget cycle and this was agreed to, however, there was no discussion on paid parking. He said the City should
draft a new contract noting that the initial $300,000 be sent to the City and eliminate that first $300,000 from
this discussion. He said then the County and the City could address the remaining $900,000. He said it was
unfortunate that there was a lack of communication and there was now a problem. He said he would like to
see a contract in place that does not tie the hands of the City.
Phil Klein said the County does not owe the City $300,000 until there is a contract in place. He said the
contract should have been in place at the beginning of this process, however, there was some urgency with this
project and that did not happen. He urged the Council to adopt this contract and to then offer up amendments
as they so desired. He said the County cannot make a payment to the City without the contract.
Matthew McCabe said that even with an honest misunderstanding, the City should look into this matter in
much more detail and resubmit a contract to the County with more favorable terms.
Phil Klein said the terms of this contract are four years at $1.2 million total funding. He said it was meant to be
$300,000 over the four years. This agreement locks into place forever that there will be no paid parking at this
facility
Mayor Michael Lenz said it was the spirit of the discussions from the beginning to generate funding for both
the City and the County and that could be done through this parking deck. Both the City and the County
agreed to work together on this matter. He agreed though that there is maintenance which costs a lot of money
and the funding for that maintenance needed to be researched. He said he did not bring this before the Council
today to ask for a vote but would bring it back to the next meeting.
Commissioner Thomas Curley noted that the Spring Street parking deck was in need of some repairs. He
suggested that perhaps some thought be given to drafting an agreement that released the City from the
contingency of no paid parking after the four-year worth of funding by the County.
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said maintenance is a very serious issue. He said there was a lack of
communication on this matter, however, the City’s supervisors have the strength to go back to the Board of
Supervisors to explain the City’s position. He agreed that perhaps a four-year contract would be a good
compromise. He did not want the County telling the City how to run its business. He said that he was
concerned where the control might stop. He also noted that at this time there is no intention on the City’s part
to charge for parking, however, he did not want to tie the hands of future Council members by agreeing to the
proposed contract. He said the City invests a lot of money in its downtown and the County has taken more
than $16 million from the City through taxes. He said he attended an event at the Pepsi last evening and paid
$15 to park in a garage. He said there needs to be some fees to cover the expenses of maintaining the garages.
He urged the Council to consider a four-year agreement.
Commissioner Stephen Towne said the County made a wise investment in the City and agreed that perhaps a
limited time frame on their investment might be prudent.
Sale of City Owned Parcel in Wilton (05-176)
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Tony Izzo said an auction was conducted over the weekend and the City owned parcel in the Town of Wilton
was sold for $51,000. He said that he did not yet have the final documents but would have them for the next
meeting. Commissioner Matthew McCabe noted that the adjacent property owner purchased the parcel. Tony
Izzo noted that the sale was contingent upon the buyer obtaining a variance from the Town of Wilton if he so
desired.
Mayor Michael Lenz moved and Commissioner Matthew McCabe seconded to authorize the
Mayor to sign the contract with Kevin Gomez for the sale of the city owned parcel in the Town
of Wilton in the amount of $51,000, contingent upon the review of the City’s Risk & Safety
Manager. Ayes all.
Mayor Michael Lenz said that he would like to see the additional funds raised above the anticipated amount to
go to the parking solution’s fund. He asked that Commissioner Matthew McCabe look into this matter to
determine how much above the anticipated amount was raised.
Water Front Property
Mayor Michael Lenz moved and Commissioner Matthew McCabe seconded to add this item
(water front property) to the agenda for discussion. Ayes all.
Mayor Michael Lenz said it was recently brought to his attention that there is a water front parcel for sale. He
suggested that the Council look into the possibility of purchasing the parcel. He said this would allow for
public beach access on the lake. Commissioner Thomas McTygue said perhaps the open space bond act funds
could be used. He said a beach for the residents would be a good use of the open space funds.
ACCOUNTS DEPARTMENT
Nothing.
FINANCE DEPARTMENT
Nothing.
DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS
Chips Program - Discussion
Commissioner Thomas McTygue said that he had received a letter that the City’s Chips funding would be held
up by the state because of the issues with the West Avenue reconstruction project. Paul Male reminded
everyone that there had been an issue with the rock on this project. He said the dollar value of that issue was
approximately $375,000. Commissioner Thomas McTygue said the Chips funding was $221,227. Paul Male
said both Matthew Dorsey, attorney for the City, and Matthew Jones, attorney for the WASAD, had been
working on this matter. Commissioner Thomas McTygue said it was puzzling that a senator from western New
York had taken up this matter and was now preventing the Chips funding from being distributed to the City.
Paul Male said that it was his understanding that there had been quite a bit of information compiled in the
City’s favor on this matter, however, everything had now stopped. Commissioner Thomas McTygue said that
he would like to bring this matter up for discussion with Senator Bruno.
Donation
Commissioner Thomas McTygue moved and Mayor Michael Lenz seconded to accept the $50
donation from D’Andrea Pizza for the Italian Gardens. Ayes all.
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Brust Property
Jennifer Behan presented the Council with some options for the Brust parcel. She said there had been
discussion on an indoor recreational facility and connections to the Spring Run Trail and brook. She also
noted its close proximity to the Bog Meadow Trail and the ice rinks, etc. She said there are some wet lands that
must be evaluated. There are some upland areas that could be used for a recreational facility. She also noted
that there are some springs on the site. She said the trails could be extended and there could be some
improvements to the stream.
Mayor Michael Lenz said there is quite a bit of buffer area for a recreational facility and it would unlikely be
seen from the road. He would like to see the gateway entrance theme maintained. He said his three main
goals were to preserve the gateway entrance, infill and recreational opportunities.
Commissioner Stephen Towne asked what was the percentage of buidable land. Jennifer Behan said she was
not yet sure. He also asked about a campus type location and whether there was enough space for a building,
parking, fields, etc. Jennifer Behan said those were issues that needed to be researched.
Mayor Michael Lenz asked that some more research be done on those matters for further discussion at the next
Council meeting.
Sick Bank Request
Commissioner Thomas McTygue moved and Mayor Michael Lenz seconded to approve the sick
bank request for Steve McCormick for 20 days from the sick bank. Ayes all.
Parking Garage
Commissioner Thomas McTygue announced that the grand opening of the deck would take place on
Wednesday, August 24 at 11:00 a.m. on the lower deck.
Interlaken - Monroe Title Insurance
Commissioner Thomas McTygue moved and Commissioner Thomas Curley seconded to
approve the hiring of Monroe Title Insurance in an amount not to exceed $800 for a title
search. The funding will come from the water budget. Ayes all.
DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY
Parking Deck - Hours of Parking (05-177)
Tony Izzo said the ordinance had been drawn up to allow for two hour parking on the first floor and no parking
from 11:00 p.m. to 7:00 a.m. on the second floor. Commissioner Thomas McTygue said it would need to be
enforced. Commissioner Thomas Curley said he had no funds in his budget to purchase parking signs for this
lot. Commissioner Thomas McTygue said they could be purchased through the parking deck funding lines.
Commissioner Matthew McCabe asked about two hour parking and was that long enough. Commissioner
Thomas McTygue said he had suggested three hour spaces to allow patrons a little more time to shop and dine
and it would also allow the parking enforcement officers time to get back to this lot. Commissioner Thomas
McTygue also asked if it might be appropriate to have some spaces at a half hour to allow shorter visits. It was
agreed that rather than changing the ordinance at this time, it would be adopted as presented and if necessary
changes could be made at a later time.
Commissioner Thomas Curley moved and Commissioner Thomas McTygue seconded to adopt
the parking deck ordinance as presented noting the two-hour parking on the first floor and no
parking from11:00 p.m. to 7:00 a.m. on the second floor. Ayes all.
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Stop Signs at Arrowhead Road
Commissioner Thomas Curley requested that a public hearing be set for the next Council meeting at 6:10 p.m.
on placing stops signs at Arrowhead Road and Vista Drive.
PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD
Mayor Michael Lenz opened the public comment period. There being no one wishing to speak, Mayor Michael
Lenz closed the public comment period.
ADJOURNMENT
Mayor Michael Lenz moved and Commissioner Thomas McTygue seconded to adjourn the meeting at 10:05
a.m. Ayes all. There being no further business, Mayor Michael Lenz adjourned the meeting at 10:05 a.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Kathy Moran
Clerk
Approved:
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Agenda
PRELIMINARY CITY COUNCIL AGENDA
August 23, 2005
9:00 A.M.
CALL TO ORDER
ROLL CALL
SALUTE TO FLAG
PUBLIC COMMENTS
MAYOR'S DEPARTMENT Mayor Lenz
1. Set Public Hearing On Capital Budget
2. Discussion: Funding Contract With County For HUB Lot Garage
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ACCOUNTS DEPARTMENT Commissioner Towne
1. Nothing At This Time
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FINANCE DEPARTMENT Commissioner McCabe
1. Nothing At This TIme
PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT Commissioner McTygue
1. Discussion - Chips
2. Discussion & Vote - Donation Acceptance
3. Discussion - Concept for Brust Property
4. Discussion & Vote - Sick Bank Request
5. Discussion - Parking Garage
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PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENT Commissioner Curley
1. Discussion and Vote: Parking Deck
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SUPERVISORS
1. Nothing At This Time
Adjourn until September 6, 2005
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