City Council
Regular MeetingSaratoga Springs, NY · March 3, 2009
Minutes
CITY OF SARATOGA SPRINGS
CITY COUNCIL MEETING
CITY COUNCIL ROOM
TUESDAY, MARCH 3, 2009
7:00 P.M.
PRESENT: Scott Johnson, Mayor
John Franck, Commissioner of Accounts
Ken Ivins, Commissioner of Finance
Ron Kim, Commissioner of DPS
Anthony Scirocco, Commissioner of DPW
PRESENT: Matthew Veitch, Supervisor
Joanne Yepsen, Supervisor
STAFF PRESENT: Patrick Design, Deputy Commissioner, DPW
Eileen Finneran, Deputy Commissioner, DPS
Kate Jarosh, Deputy Commissioner, Finance
Shauna Sutton, Deputy Mayor
Joe Scala, City Attorney
EXCUSED: Michele Boxley, Deputy Commissioner, Accounts
RECORDING OF PROCEEDING
The proceedings of this meeting were taped for the benefit of the secretary. Because the minutes are not
a verbatim record of the proceedings, the minutes are not a word-for-word transcript.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
Amend 2009 Capital Budget – Arts Council Restrooms
Bill McTygue, Director of Public Works explained they are asking for approval to move forward with an
amended energy performance contract with Johnson Controls. Before that happens, they need to amend
the 2009 capital budget. This project would allow for them to put energy management control systems in
the Arts Council building. They anticipate coming back at the next council meeting for funding of the
project.
Chris Kalawara of Johnson Controls explained the necessity to move the air compressor at the Arts
Council Restrooms. They would like to remove the pneumatic system and replace it with a digital control
system. There is some energy savings, but not a lot. The City has about $24,000 coming from
NYSERDA funds. Those funds could be applied to this project. Once they receive the approval to start,
the project can be completed in about 2 months.
Commissioner Franck confirmed that it is zoning units and controls.
Chris advised that is correct.
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Bill McTygue advised they plan to fund this from various accounts dedicated to the Arts Council building.
There is $20,636 available in those funds, leaving a balance of $32,000 which they will need to raise
through amended capital budget. The $24,000 coming from NYSERDA could also be used to further
reduce this cost.
Joel Reed, Director of the Arts Council stated the manner of funding this may not be graceful, but this
project is really the Congress Park Restrooms. They just happen to be built within the Arts Council
building. The restrooms will provide facilities to serve the entire city. This is a great opportunity to
enhance and improve the building.
Commissioner Ivins advised the reason this is not being voted on tonight is because the amendment was
not in hand in time for bond council. He asked Commissioner Scirocco to have all paperwork in the
Finance Office by Friday so it can be voted on at the next City Council meeting.
Commissioner Scirocco asked if they will need a super majority.
Commissioner Ivins advised a super majority is required.
This public hearing was left open. The Council will hear the public on this issue again on March 17, 2009
at 6:50 p.m.
Water and Sewer Rates
Mayor Johnson opened the public comment period at 6:52 p.m.
Commissioner Scirocco advised they provided the Finance Department with updated numbers today. A
hand out was made available for the public and the Council. The bottom line wasn’t changed much. He
believes it says they are moving in the right direction.
Bill McTygue advised that the numbers given to Finance are the most current expenditures for 2008.
No one spoke.
CALL TO ORDER
Mayor Johnson called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m.
PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD
Mayor Johnson said the public comment period is limited to a total of 15 minutes and individuals are
limited to two minutes each according to the rules approved in February of 2004 by the City Council.
Clark Hayward, President of SEMS, stated over the last few years there has been misinformation about
how emergency medical services are provided in the city. This misinformation is coming from the Public
Safety Department. He came to the Council in 2007 with information about the misinformation that was in
the 2006 Public Safety report. He also came to the Council to talk to them about the ambulance that was
purchased; the minutes indicated the City purchased an emergency response vehicle, which actually
turned out to be an ambulance. He is here tonight to ask the Council to reject the RFP. The RFP is not
about revenue generation for the city. The RFP diminishes the level of service by providing for only 2
basic life support ambulances. The city will have to hire additional firefighters/paramedics to chase the
basic life support ambulances around. That is a great cost to the City. The revenue that comes in on one
side will go right back out the back door. One question that everyone should be asking themselves is how
does this RFP serve to improve patient care for the residents of the City of Saratoga Springs – it doesn’t.
He urged the Council to reject this RFP.
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George Miller, Vice President and volunteer of SEMS stated you have to ask yourselves if the revenue
incurred is offset by the expenses is it worth doing. When 700 calls are added to the approximate 3,200
calls Saratoga Springs Fire Department runs today, it is a 20% increase. How is it possible the fire
department can take on these numbers and maintain the excellent service without adding staff? He has
no problem adding to the number of firefighter in the City to increase the safety of the City, but he objects
to increasing the number of firefighters on the backs of the EMS system in the City. He urged the Council
to reject the RFP.
Bill Mirable of 14 Vanderbilt Avenue stated referring the indoor recreation project to the Zoning Board
directly addresses their lawsuit third cause of action. He advised since the planning board review was
done without the zoning board review, the planning board review is illegal and must also be done again.
He is curious what the great consequences are if the money isn’t spend by April 1st. All the City has to do
is defease the bond. He referenced the January 14, 2009 Gazette article where Commissioner Ivins is
quoted saying “If the City doesn’t spend the $1.3 million remaining amount from the original $1.8 million
bond by the April deadline, it will have to repay the amount to the Adirondack Trust Company.” He is not
sure where the great financial consequences come from. He also stated another article stated the WICKS
law has never been used in this City since the original Charter. It was used at the visitor center in 1991.
Gary Favro stated he represents the SEMS unit as the labor relations representative. He has 30 years of
background in EMS on the national and state level; he is a retired Troy fire captain and EMS coordinator
for years. He has also worked with many municipalities and not-for-profits on EMS systems throughout
the state and on a national level. He wrote a letter to the Council last week regarding his opinion on
things based upon his experience in the field. He cannot see the RFP, as written, being a benefit to the
fire department, SEMS, or most important the community. He suggested putting the RFP on the back
burner; there are jobs and people affected by this.
Phil Diamond of 29 Waterview Drive stated we have been battling here between 2 projects – public safety
building and indoor recreation center. He doesn’t understand why hit has to be one or the other; we need
both. Bringing up WICKS law now has gone from ridiculous to stupid. The people against the recreation
center asked on of the labor union leaders in Saratoga County to complain to the labor department. The
WICKS law does not say only union labor has to be used; only prevailing wage rates have to be used.
Trying to pit a bunch of kids who need a recreation center against a police building is stupid. As far as he
is concerned, if there is an option of providing a recreation center or a building to house felons in comfort;
he picks the recreation center.
Marybeth Delarm of 96 Quivic Drive stated she is pro-union and there is a purpose and a place for
everything. If the City approves paid parking, she asks that they do not include Broadway. She would like
to see solar parking meters if paid parking is installed. These meters have been successful elsewhere,
such as in Lake Placid. She was asked to speak on behalf of over 1,500 residents regarding Beaver
Pond. They would like to urge the City Council to ensure the Planning Board’s review of Beaver Pond is
following the proper SEQRA process. This project should not be in the site plan review stage, as it is now,
until all studies are complete. They have notified the Planning Board and the City’s legal counsel that
there have been omitted or incomplete stated and federal mandated studies on the site. They feel the
City would not be able to defend itself against an Article 78 if these significant environmental impacts
continue to be overlooked.
Kyle York of 59 Railroad Place provided pictures of 66 Franklin Street. The back of this address is very
visible from his bedroom window. There are 3 tarps covering the back of the building and the door to the
back entrance is open but the building is not occupied. The roof of the porch area is not stable, there is
graffiti on the building, circuit breaker box is dangling, and wires on an outdoor light fixture are exposed.
He hopes the Commissioner of Public Safety will make sure this house is either condemned or brought up
to code.
Mike Lyons of 182 Lake Avenue stated on behalf of the building and construction trades, he would like to
urge the Council to take a look at doing work for the public safety building under project labor agreements
(PLAs).
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Jeff Pfiel of 342 Broadway asked if the discussion and vote for the High Rock development is actually
going to happen in tonight’s meeting.
Commissioner Kim stated the agenda item was entered incorrectly. They will be asking the City Council to
consider doing a feasibility study for a project labor agreement. The first step in entering into a PLA is to
do an economic analysis that looks at what the cost benefits are of a PLA. That could take weeks, maybe
months.
Jeff Pfiel stated he understands there will be public meetings about the High Rock project before there is
a vote. He was at the DBA meeting and there was a lot of concern about parking. He doesn’t feel the
parking issues have been discussed enough yet. After reading the newspapers and watching the news,
he is incredulous that the City is going forward with 2 major projects at a time like this.
Mark Benchure of Saratoga Springs stated the City and the taxpayers would benefit from PLAs. An
economic feasibility study would be a step in the right direction.
Derrick Legall of 3 Deerleap Place spoke about the coin drop. What he can see from the law is it
addresses panhandling and ‘squeegee people’ like in New York City. It does not address not-for-profit
organizations like we have here in Saratoga. He is the President of Saratoga National Little League for 8
years. They do coin drops to help offset costs for upkeep, fields, etc. No previous administration has ever
questioned people doing coin drops. It appears that all of a sudden we are anti-recreation. This is
affecting the youth of our City which is the investment in our tomorrow.
EXECUTIVE SESSION
Mayor Johnson moved and Commissioner Scirocco seconded to move to executive session regarding
proposed, pending or current litigation; personal private information of a person or corporation, or
matters leading to the appointment, employment, promotion, demotion, discipline, suspension,
dismissal or removal of a person or corporation. Castell v. the City of Saratoga Springs, the Village of
Saratoga v. the City of Saratoga Springs, the DEC matter involving the City of Saratoga Springs,
Water’s Edge Homeowners Association claim against the City of Saratoga Springs, and Gammon v.
the City of Saratoga Springs .
Ayes - All
Mayor Johnson stated during the executive session, the Council unanimously voted to enter into a
stipulation of settlement in the matters of NYS Division of Human Rights on the complaint of Mathew R.
Gammon v. the City of Saratoga Springs, as well as the matter of Mathew R. Gammon v. City of Saratoga
Springs Municipal Civil Service Commission to fully and finally release the City upon payment of $28,000
to the complainant in full and final satisfaction of all claims he has presented against the City and the Civil
Service Commission. The breakdown of the settlement is $21,000 to be paid by the insurance carrier on
behalf of the City with a $7,000 balance to be paid by the City as its deductible under the terms of the
insurance coverage. The first case against the City is case #: 10113684 and the one against the Civil
Service Commission is case #: 10113693.
Ayes – All.
Consent Agenda
Mayor Scott Johnson moved and Commissioner Ivins seconded to approve the consent agenda as
follows:
1. Approval of 2/17/09 City Council Minutes
2. Approve Budget Amendments
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3. Approve Budget Transfers
4. Approve Payroll 2/20/09 $429,291.29
5. Approve Payroll 2/27/09 $454,997.31
6. Approve Warrant 2008 Mid MC11DEC8 $192,478.80
7. Approve Warrant 2009 Mid MC3FEB09 $312,407.40
8. Approve Warrant 2009 Regular 1MAR09 $191,143.54
Ayes - All
Mayor’s Department
Discussion and Vote: 2009 – 2010 Weibel and Vernon Ice Rink License Agreement for Skating Rink Time
(09-46)
Mayor Johnson moved and Commissioner Ivins seconded to approve the Weibel and Vernon Ice Rink
license agreement for skating rink time.
Linda Terracola explained this agreement has increased fees effective July of 2009. These fees were
approved by the City Council in December 2008. This agreement has been approved by the Risk and
Safety Manager and the City Attorney. This agreement will be effective from July 2009 to April 2010.
Ayes – All
Discussion and Vote: 2009 City of Saratoga Springs Field User Agreement
Mayor Johnson asked Linda Terricola, Recreation Director, to explain this agreement.
Linda Terracola explained these are new fees being proposed. The Recreation Commissioner approved
the fees. It is proposed for 2009 that the youth organizations be charged $250 per organization for spring,
summer and fall without lights; the fee with lights will be $350. Adult teams (over 18) will be charged $100
per game with lights; this fee was reduced from $150. Adult teams will be $50 per game without lights.
Youth organizations that choose not to pay the organization fee will be given the option of $35 per game
under the lights that require the services of DPW, the sound system and the scoreboard. A fee will be
charged for any camp and/or clinic based upon the time period rented from dawn to dusk each day of the
week. If an organization is having a tournament and requires DPW overtime, there will be a charge of $45
per game. Organizations will be requested to clean up after events; however, if DPW assistance is
required, a $50 surcharge will be added.
Linda Terracola also advised on Mondays and Tuesdays only during spring, summer, and fall, there will
be a charge to each organization that requires set up, DPW service, sound system, scoreboard, and/or
lights.
Linda mentioned that the lights at Geyser Park will be in operation on May 4th. There will be a ceremony
during Spa Catholic baseball as well as the girls’ varsity softball game.
Commissioner Scirocco asked if we are charging little league and pop warner.
Linda Terricola advised they are being charged. They worked with Commissioner Scirocco’s foreman and
came up with a fair amount. This is all new.
Commissioner Scirocco stated that cost is going to get passed on to the kids. It is expensive to set the
kids up to play. The adult groups can afford it a little bit more. He doesn’t believe they should be charging
little league or pop warner.
Commissioner Ivins asked if they have spoken with the organizations, and if so, what their opinion was.
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Linda Terricola stated they had spoken to the organizations; they are not happy about it. Her department
and the Recreation Commission had the understanding that they needed to bring in a proposal.
Commissioner Scirocco stated he is not in favor of including the youth.
Commissioner Ivins asked if it is typical that we have to pay DPW overtime when the organizations are
there.
Linda stated on Mondays and Tuesdays, yes.
Mayor Johnson stated there is some concern. He doesn’t disagree that we should be not be charging
anything or as much to the youth organizations. He suggested they pull this from the agenda and bring it
back when the fees have been ironed out to better serve the community.
This item was officially withdrawn from the agenda.
Presentation: 2009 CDBG Funding Recommendations
Bradley Birge, Administrator of Economic Development presented the 2009 Entitlement Action Plan
recommendations, recommended by the Community Development Citizen Advisory Group. Each year the
US Department of Urban Development provides the City with a grant to assist persons of low and
moderate income in areas of the City. This year they anticipate a grant of $360,000 and have about
$66,000 in funds reprogrammed from previous years that were not used, for a total of $425,728.00.
Applicants for funding requests went out in early December through end of January. The Citizen Advisory
Committee reviewed the applications and made the recommendations that are before the Council tonight.
He introduced Richard Ferguson, the chair of the committee.
Commissioner Kim asked why some of the funds weren’t used.
Brad advised it is not uncommon for small amount of funds not to be used due to some projects being
completed under budget or changed. The funds are then reprogrammed.
Richard Ferguson stated there were 2 public hearings and then the committee met. The committee made
recommendations for 17 grants out of the 22 grants proposed. He asked the Council to accept the
recommendations as presented.
Commissioner Franck advised that if this is up for vote tonight, he would have to recuse himself from
voting for one of the recommendations as he is on the board for a particular program.
Commissioner Kim advised he is in the same situation.
Mayor Johnson stated this is not up for vote tonight.
Brad continued to advise that following this Council meeting, there will be a 30 day public comment period.
Comments can be directed to the Office of Community Development. He asked the Council to set a
public hearing be set at the March 17th meeting so that the Council can vote on the recommendations.
Set Public Hearing: Citizen Advisory Committee Recommendations for 2009 Entitlement Action Plan
Mayor Johnson set a public hearing for Tuesday, March 17th at 6:55 p.m.
Appointment: Zoning Board of Appeals
Mayor Johnson announced a vacancy occurred due to the resignation of Eric Schreck, who had been on
the board for a number of years. He thanked Mr. Schreck for his service to the community. Gary
Hasbrook is being appointed as the replacement. Gary is a city resident with a background in business
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administration, accounting, management and operation of commercial property, and 10 years prior
experience with the planning board and zoning board of appeals for the Town of Wilton.
Discussion: Economic Stimulus Package and Meeting with Governor’s Office on 2-20-09
Mayor Johnson advised that on February 20th, the City’s representatives attended a meeting at the
Governor’s office for the impact of the federal stimulus bill. There were presentations done by various
agencies that have been empowered to recommend the use of the funds. Commissioner Kim, Deputy
Finneran, Supervisor Yepsen, Paul Male, Brad Birge all attended with the Mayor. New York State is
expected to receive approximately $24 billion in funding. The Governor’s staff indicated the funding will
be funneled through various agencies, to fund existing programs. The good news for the City of Saratoga
Springs is we are on a list for a number of projects that have deemed as eligible. One of the criteria is the
project be shovel ready. The 5 projects identified through the Department of Transportation and the
Capital District Transportation Committee as candidate stimulus projects are: the Church Street
Reconstruction Project of approximately $1.65 million, Spring Run Trail of approximately $1.5 million, the
Saratoga County Rt. 43 over the D&H Railroad is approximately $1.5 million, the Saratoga Bus Garage is
approximately $1.5 million, and Ballston Avenue Reconstruction of approximately $1.3 million.
Discussion: Potential Economic Stimulus Funds for Spring Run Trail
Mayor Johnson stated the Spring Run Trail project started in 1996. The concept was to develop a
pedestrian/bicycle trail from Congress Park to the Bog Meadow Nature Trail on Rte. 29. We anticipate
this will be one of the first transit projects in this region to be funded with stimulus proceeds. These are
reimbursement programs; therefore, we would have to front the money. On January 21st, he requested
the Administrator of Parks, Open Land and Historic Reservation to define the status of the Spring Run
Trail and identify anything that needed to be done to make sure this project is shovel ready. A report was
prepared by the Administrator and we still are shovel ready and complete in terms of all easements that
need to be obtained. Cost factors are in need of updating as this project hasn’t been looked at since
2005. There are 2 proposals; one is $47,000 with EarthTec. A portion of the project was never paid by
the City. Roger Laime is here on behalf of EarthTec.
Roger Laime of EarthTec stated he was the project manager on this project. This project was going to link
a bike trail from Congress Park thru City streets to the old ice rink on East & Excelsior Avenues. A portion
of the road work being installed at the time was going to be used as part of the bike trail to save costs. At
the East Avenue location, they were going to go off-road and follow the Saratoga Railway Corporation’s
rail bed that went to the Northway and terminate the trail until the time they could get across the Northway.
The designs progressed, the permits were obtained, and right-of-ways were obtained. Bridges were
designed to incorporate part of the old railroad bridges on Eureka Avenue and Excelsior Springs Avenue.
At that point the funds were exhausted. The City was not able to go to construction for the project. Some
of the funding to that point had been supplied by National Grid, DOT, and City funds. They have been
instructed by DOT to look at this as one of the shovel ready projects under the stimulus package. All of
the construction costs will be funded through the stimulus package.
Commissioner Kim asked if we got anything in writing regarding reimbursement on this project.
Roger explained there will be a municipal state agreement that will outline the terms and conditions of the
reimbursement. The City will have to front the costs.
Commissioner Kim asked if we would do this through capital bonding or through contingency since we will
be reimbursed.
Commissioner Ivins stated we would need to look at how quickly we will be reimbursed and how much we
are talking.
Roger stated the last cost estimate was approximately $1.5 million dollars.
Commissioner Kim asked if it will be clear where the bike path is.
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Roger stated not from Congress Park to East Avenue – it will be done with signage.
Commissioner Ivins stated there has been $661,000 set aside for this. He asked if we have a handle on
the amount of outstanding bills.
Mayor Johnson stated that information was just presented to him yesterday. He is working on trying to
figure that out. He will bring this back at the next Council meeting because we need to advance on this in
a timely manner to maintain qualification under the stimulus package.
Discussion: Status of Indoor Recreation Facility Project
Mayor Johnson stated in the past week there have been a couple things that have happened that have
affected the timeline of this project. The Friends of the Southside filed for an injunction to halt the project.
The judge ordered a temporary restraining order prohibiting the City from putting a shovel in the ground
and physically changing the land in any way. This will go before the judge again on March 13th. The
judge didn’t have enough information to determine merit of the claim/injunction. The City is in the process
of filing papers to oppose that injunction. He believes they will be successful in defeating the motion for
the injunction.
Commissioner Scirocco asked Commissioner Ivins to look at a back up plan for the money and the April
1st deadline. He would like to hear something about this at the next Council meeting.
Mayor Johnson stated he agrees with a backup plan. They are looking at all options to protect the City.
He has been speaking with Commissioner Ivins and bond council regarding all options in this ever-
changing project.
Commissioner Kim stated he is struggling with the timing. We appear in front of Judge Nolan on March
13th, but they normally take things under advisement and come back to rule. If he does come back on the
13th and say the City is good to go, we also have the labor department which has said we have to stop.
How do we get from point A to point B given those constraints? We have a pot of money that looks like it
can’t get spend and then we have a larger pot of money that looks like we have more time with.
Mayor Johnson the bonding issue goes beyond the $1.3 million or $1.5 million that remains on the second
round of bonds that has the deadline date of April 1st of this year. If that money is turned in or defeased,
than the remaining bond of $4.3 million is not enough to fund the project. Therefore, you are also looking
at defeasing or turning in that bond. Then there are 2 substantial bonds the City has issued and
abandoned and that has consequences. The balance of the $4.3 million bond isn’t held by Adirondack
Trust, it is held by several holders. It raises other issues, complications and potential penalties to the City.
Commissioner Kim stated only if we assume the project stays exactly as it is. Instead of 4 basketball
courts, maybe we are looking at 3 or 2. What is our plan if we have a stop work order from the
Department of Labor? How are we going to complete this by April 1st?
Mayor Johnson stated there is a stop BID order, not a stop WORK order; there is a difference. There is
no precedence here as this is new to the WICKS law as of last year. He was part of a conference call with
the Department of Labor today. There is a general concession is that they are not sure what they can be
doing here. Last Friday, the City Attorney issued a response to the stop bid order indicating our
objections to it as being untimely. The Department of Labor chose to wait over a month after knowing
what we are doing. They let the bid process complete itself, meaning awarding the bid on February 17th to
Bast Hatfield, Inc. His intent is to keep the communications open with them. The City’s objective is to
have the order revoked or come to some agreement with them to keep the project going not to jeopardize
the bonding. It is no secret as to who complained; it was Larry Bulman, Chairman of the Saratoga County
Democratic Party. There is a political overtone here. He asked Mr. Bulman to explain through the press
to publicly explain how you would intentionally do something that would harm the City. We are focusing
on delivering this project with the chosen contractor, on time and expending those funds by April 1st.
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Commissioner Franck asked if there is an extension to the bond due to circumstances beyond the City’s
control.
Mayor Johnson advised there is no express extension by law, there are things that can be done and he is
looking into.
Commissioner Franck stated he has been for PLAs from the beginning and should have been in both bids
as protection. Whatever is happening with this is going to happen with High Rock as neither one had
WICKS in it. This is why he tried to push the PLAs but couldn’t get anyone to agree with him on it. We do
have to do a feasibility study; but you can’t do the study unless you know WICKS applies. He is going to
fully support PLAs no matter what happens here because of WICKS and the size and scope of these
projects.
Commissioner Kim stated it is his understanding that PLAs are a prophylactic tool to protect a city that
chooses not to comply with WICKS. All of them sitting there were advised of this in a timely manner. It is
his understanding that all Council members met with unions officials to discuss this for both these projects.
We also have an issue with a project going forward with a huge risk to the citizens of the City. If there is
any outside counsel consulting on the labor commissioner’s ruling, the City Council did not approve it.
The City Council did approve $20,000 to defend the City in the Southside Park litigation. No attorneys
(outside counsel) have been approved for the labor commissioner’s ruling. If the Mayor is doing that, it
would be inappropriate and outside City Council. Also, if Larry Bulman listened to him, he would out there
campaigning for Congress; he wouldn’t be here. Larry Bulman does not listen to him; he is a
representative of the unions and he has to advocate for his constituencies. That constituency wants PLAs
or WICKS law. That’s was Larry Bulman was doing; he wasn’t doing his bidding. If Larry Bulman listened
to him, he would be doing something very different right now.
Commissioner Franck stated he agrees with just about everything Commissioner Kim is saying, but they
clearly went over PLAs in our workshops. It wasn’t a republican or democrat issue in his mind; it was for
the protection of the City.
Commissioner Ivins stated he takes exception to meeting with labor groups. He doesn’t remember ever
having a meeting with or ever being approached by any labor groups about PLAs or WICK. From what he
is hearing, PLAs make sense. As far as a plan of action, he would like to see this play out. The Council
will have time at the first meeting in April to make plans on how to proceed.
Commissioner Scirocco stated now we have another cog in the gears. If this has to go to bid again, this
project isn’t going to happen. We are going to have long term bonds we will be paying debt service on
and nothing to show for it. He wants some insurance polity or plan to back out of this if it goes the way the
lawsuits are saying it is going to go.
Mayor Johnson stated again that everything is being done to protect the City. Also, he has not incurred
any obligation to the City by seeking outside counsel to consult with and give advice on the Department of
Labor issue. If and when that comes to fruition, he will bring it to the Council for approval as that is the
appropriate process to follow. He did have a discussion with a group from labor in January, which did not
involve Mr. Bulman, to discuss PLAs. They discussed the indoor recreation center and the High Rock
development. To do a due diligence on a PLA, it would take a minimum of a month. Due diligence is
required to determine the public benefit to the City by going with a PLA versus nothing else. At the
conclusion of that meeting, it was determined that due to the timeline the recreation center project was on,
there was not enough time to do due diligence as the bids were already out. He assured the group he
would consider it for the High Rock project. They accepted that and there was no disagreement indicating
they would do anything they could to stop this project now by making complaints to labor and so on. It
was never discussed; had it been discussed he would have tried to persuade them not to anything that
would harm the City.
Discussion and Vote: Designation of Zoning Board of Appeals as an Involved Agency and Referral of
Indoor Recreation Center to the ZBA for Review (09-47)
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Mayor Johnson moved and Commissioner Ivins seconded the City Council to designate the Zoning
Board of Appeals as an involved agency for the purpose of SEQRA with a full reservation of rights by
the City to not waive its claim that the ZBA does not have jurisdiction over this matter given the
pending lawsuit that does involve those issues and the Council refer the indoor recreation center
project to the ZBA for a its full review on any variances that may be at issue .
Mayor Johnson stated he is doing this out of caution on behalf of the City to further protect the city. If he
can do anything in his power to eliminate one ground in the lawsuit by submitting it to the ZBA for their
consideration/review. There is no harm to the tax payer by doing this. He believes we are strong in our
contention.
Commissioner Scirocco stated he is going to support this as originally he was told ZBA would not be an
involved agency and he felt they should have been an involved agency as well as the design review
should have been an involved agency.
Commissioner Kim stated he is going to oppose this. He doesn’t believe this is going to help this case
because it actually says we did it wrong. It will hurt the City’s interest to take this action now. If he was
the attorney on this he would say stick to your story. This is a bad move.
Mayor Johnson stated we do not concede our prior conduct was erroneous, wrong, or illegal. We are
simply doing something that will further protect the City.
Commissioner Ivins stated he is going to vote for this to further protect the City. He doesn’t believe this is
necessary as they didn’t do anything wrong.
Ayes – 4
Nays – Commissioner Kim
Accounts Department
Discussion and Vote: Authorization for Mayor to Grant Application (09-48)
Commissioner Franck moved and Commissioner Ivins seconded upon the recommendation of the
Safety Committee to authorize the Mayor to sign a grant application for the State of New York
Department of Labor Hazard Abatement Grant in the amount of $25,000 for education and training of
City employees for calendar year 2009.
Commissioner Franck advised this is a non matching grant.
Ayes – All
Discussion and Vote: Award of Bid – Field Marking Paint (09-49)
Commissioner Franck moved and Commissioner Scirocco seconded to award the bid for Field
Marking Paint to Grassland in the amount of $51.30 per unit.
Commissioner Franck deferred to Commissioner Scirocco to explain the selection process of this bidder.
Commissioner Scirocco stated the product that Grassland has will be purchased by the City in 3 gallons.
When mixed with water it makes 15 gallon. The lowest bidder, Allerdice, when their product is mixed with
water also makes 15 gallons. The product we are buying covers more area and more durable, saving on
labor. This was on the recommendation on his recreation foreman.
Ayes – All
Discussion and Vote: Award of Bid – Grass Seed (09-50)
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Commissioner Franck moved and Commissioner Scirocco seconded to award the bid for Grass Seed
to Matrix Turf Solutions, LLC in the amount of $.99 per unit for mixture #1, $1.49 per unit for mixture
#2, $1.21 per unit for mixture #3, and $1.44 per unit for mixture #4.
Commissioner Franck advised that per DPW Matrix Turf Solutions was the lowest qualified bidder.
Ayes – All
Discussion and Vote: Award of Bid – Printed Polyethylene Bags (09-51)
Commissioner Franck moved and Commissioner Scirocco seconded to award the bid for printed
polyethylene bags to All American Poly in the amount of $26.86 per unit.
Commissioner Franck advised per DPW they were the lowest qualified bidder.
Commissioner Ivins stated last year they went over budget on this item and had to do transfers to cover
the purchase of bags. Is there enough in the budget this year or are transfers going to happen.
Commissioner Scirocco asked what exactly he is talking about.
Commissioner Ivins stated the line item for the bags went over budget last year. This year they have
$6,700 in the line item and the total bid is just about there. Will adjustments need to be made later on?
Commissioner Scirocco stated he can’t answer that at this time. He knows they sell the bags for $3 each
and generate about $160,000 through purchases. They will sell as many as they can. He hopes they will
have to order more.
Ayes – All
Discussion and Vote: Award of Bid – Sand (09-52)
Commissioner Franck moved and Commissioner Scirocco seconded to award the bid for sand to
Cranesville Block Co., Inc. in the amount of $11.00 per ton delivered and $6.45 per ton city hauled.
Commissioner Franck advised per the DPW the lowest bidder does not meet the City’s specifications.
Ayes – All
Discussion and Vote: Award of Bid – Street Trees (09-53)
Commissioner Franck moved and Commissioner Scirocco seconded the award of bid for Street Trees
to Schichtel ’s Nursery, Inc. in the amount of $11,020.00.
Commissioner Franck advised per DPW, Schichtel’s was the lowest overall bidder.
Ayes – All
Discussion: Coin Drops
Commissioner Franck went over the history of coin drops since 2003. On June 13, 2003, the police
department made a referral to the Safety Committee regarding coin drops held in the City per Article 27
Section 1157 of the NYS Vehicle and Traffic Law, which states: “No person shall occupy any part of a
state highway except in a city or village, in any manner for the purpose of selling or soliciting.” In August
of 2003, Commissioner Towne formed a Committee under the direction of Deputy Commissioner Harper
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and requested Tony Izzo as Assistant City Attorney, Captain Michael Biss as the police representative,
Harry Buciferro as the City’s Insurance agent, Robert Blaisdale as the City’s insurance carrier
representative, Marilyn Rivers as the City’s Risk and Safety manager, and Kathy Moran as the Accounts
Office Manager to review the current 2003 coin drop program. The coin drop program in 2003 and earlier
allowed children over the age of 10 to stand in the roadway with an adult with no safety mechanisms in
place.
The committee formed by Commissioner Towne reviewed the NYS Vehicle and Traffic Law under the
guidance of Tony Izzo as Assistant City Attorney regularly met during the 3rd quarter of 2003 and made
the following recommendations:
1. Under no circumstance shall a child under the age of sixteen (16) be allowed to participate in coin
drops on a City owned and/or maintained street.
2. Any child between the ages of sixteen (16) and eighteen (18) years of age may participate in coin
drop solicitations if accompanied by an eighteen (18) year old or older and the participating child
has obtained written parental or guardian permission for the event.
3. The accompanying adult must be located immediately adjacent to the participating child and
provide continual supervision.
4. Every participant shall wear a safety reflective vest and adhere to NYS Motor Vehicle Traffic
Safety Rules of the road when participating in the coin drop event.
5. Reflective cones shall be utilized and placed in the middle of the road immediately in front of each
participant.
6. Signage designating the area as a coin drop will be placed fifteen feet from the onset of the coin
drop location from a northerly/southerly or easterly/westerly flow of traffic allowing motorists an
opportunity to be aware of the event from both routes of travel.
7. Coin drops within City limits were limited to the intersections of:
a. West Avenue and Church Street
b. West Avenue and Washington Street
c. East Avenue and Union Avenue
d. East Avenue and Lake Avenue
Commissioner Franck went on to say that Commissioner Towne sent the new policies to community
organizations for review in the 4th quarter of 2003. The Safety Committee approved the new draft on
January 21, 2004 and sent this matter to the City Council for a public hearing and City Council vote.
Commissioner Towne brought the matter to the City Council on February 17, 2004. He held a public
hearing on that date and the City Council voted unanimously to approve the program. The Accounts
Department has followed the direction of the City Council since that date. Commissioner Kim stated in the
Saratogian that some of the staff was getting a lot of complaints, so he suggested we look at theconcerns.
To date, his office has not received one complaint since he has been in office and the Safety Committee
has never received a complaint since this program has been put into effect. Commissioner Kim put on his
agenda for tonight to set a public hearing to create a coin drop ordinance, but he can’t do it as his
department doesn’t issue the licenses. Commissioner Franck asked Tony Izzo to explain if this is
something Commissioner Kim can do. He doesn’t see a reason for a coin drop ordinance.
Tony Izzo stated as far as the license is concerned it is part of the peddling and vending ordinance. He
would have to review it but didn’t believe there is a section in there specifically regarding to coin drops. All
licenses are issued under the peddling and vending ordinance which the Accounts Department and the
Commissioner of Accounts has the general power to attach conditions to such license. Since he has
been here, that is how permission for a coin drop had been given.
Commissioner Franck asked that if there are any complaints in the future, he hopes Public Safety would
direct those complaints to his office along with any individuals. The last coin drop we had was October
2008; it’s been 5 months and then all of a sudden this becomes an issue. Nothing has changed in this law
at the state level since at least 2003. If there were complaints, they had to be from October of last year or
earlier because there haven’t been any coin drops. He will leave it up to Commissioner Kim as to what he
wants to put on his agenda later on.
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Commissioner Kim stated he needed to respond because there is a lot of misrepresentation. He
explained how this issue came up in his office. They historically received requests from the Accounts
Department to approve these. During their weekly staff meeting, there was discussion about the approval
process of these. Concern was expressed regarding the safety issue. He asked what the laws were
around this. His staff presented him with a statue, Section 1157, which was correctly quoted by the
Commissioner. It doesn’t exactly limit it to peddling; it simply says no person shall stand in a street or
highway for the purpose of soliciting. That is what they are doing here. They asked for a meeting with the
Commissioner of Accounts to discuss this and figure out what they need to do. At that time they weren’t
interested beyond how do they put this together. He never received a response to have the meeting, but
he did receive a call from Andrew Bernstein of the Saratogian. Then they sent the Commissioner a letter
stating here is what they know and the statute they believe it prohibits a coin drop. They also said if you
are going to license it, that’s his business; that’s the commission form of government. Commissioner
Kim’s attempt was to resolve the problem, not create a problem. They have received safety complaints.
All of the comments responding to the article in the Saratogian say don’t do this – it is not safe. His staff
was looking at re-writing the law to make this safer or find another way to raise money that doesn’t put
people in the street. They just made sure people understand what the law is. He will pull setting a public
hearing from his agenda to create a coin drop ordinance.
Commissioner Franck stated Commissioner Kim had sent 2 correspondences to him, the first stated to go
no further because he hadn’t signed off. We did contact him back and told him there was no reason for a
meeting that we would re-do the form in any way he felt comfortable to sign off. Then he said he wasn’t
going to sign off on these. He didn’t say he was going to stop coin drops, he just said that he was not
going to authorize these; so there was communication back and forth. This is what the United States is
about; we try to help out other people. He doesn’t feel Commissioner Kim is anti-coin drop and he
understands he has safety issues. It’s been 38 ½ months into him being in office and all of a sudden he
got a stop order on this.
Commissioner Kim stated nobody ordered Commissioner Franck to stop, that’s not his role. He just said
they came across that statute and wanted to talk.
Commissioner Frank stated he is aware of the statute.
Commissioner Kim stated he never met with them.
Commissioner Franck advised again he didn’t have to meet with them because they wanted a new form
and then when that was presented they didn’t want it. He asked Deputy Finneran to go to the mic to
speak instead of her talking from behind the table. Commissioner Franck stated he has the copy of the e-
mail sent back to Public Safety.
Deputy Finneran stated Commissioner Franck they never responded and wanted the public to know that.
Commissioner Franck stated she is incorrect as always. We have a coin drop in April which we have
already approved. If Commissioner Kim does not want to be part of the coin drop process, his office will
remove him from that.
Announcement: Condominium Resolution
Commissioner Franck asked Supervisor Veitch to speak to the public on this. He also thanked Supervisor
Yepsen for pointers of how to work with the committee at the county level. They received unanimous
decisions from both committees and through the county. Both Supervisor Veitch and Supervisor Yepsen
voted for this.
Supervisor Veitch stated when Commissioner Franck went to him, he was looking for a meeting with
Senator McDonald to go forward with this. He suggested getting a resolution at the county back the City
in the unfair assessments of condominiums. First they went to the Equalization Committee, was put on
the agenda, and they unanimously pushed it to the Legislative and Research Committee. That committee
then pushed it to the Law and Finance Committee. It then went to the Board of Supervisors on February
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24th, where it was voted on unanimously to support the resolution. He thanked all the supervisors and
Supervisor Yepsen for getting this done.
Commissioner Franck advised he will probably bring this up to vote in April. He feels the best thing to do
is hold some public hearings. As soon as the state budget goes through, they need to go to lobby on this.
Discussion: Land Use Boards’ Minutes
Commissioner Franck advised some of the land use boards are behind. His main concern is getting the
draft minutes up within 2 weeks. He also believes the land use boards should be shown on the web-cast.
It is important for people to see the process and it complements the minutes. If people can’t stay at City
Hall for the meeting, they can view the web cast at a later date.
Finance Department
Discussion and Vote: Accept Saratoga’s All-American Celebration Donation (09-54)
Commissioner Ivins moved and Commissioner Franck seconded to accept a donation from the
Courtyard by Marriott for the All American Celebration in the amount of $500.
Ayes – All
Discussion and Vote: West Avenue Special Assessment District Report (09-55)
Commissioner Ivins moved and Commissioner Franck seconded to accept the 2008 West Avenue
Special Assessment District report as previously distributed.
Commissioner Ivins introduced Matt Jones to present to the council.
Matt Jones explained he is the attorney for the West Avenue Special Assessment District. The
reconciliation between the Special Assessment District and the Finance Department has taken place and
the report is before the Council. The special assessment district is in the business to pay off the bond for
the improvements that were made by the City in 2000. They do have a money market account and a CD
that they have not yet determined what they will be used for. Total expenditures for this year were $357.
The bond payment was made in the amount of $19,152. They have another 18 years with the City at 5
1/8%.
Ayes – All
Discussion and Vote: Healthy Transportation Resolution (09-56)
Commissioner Ivins moved and Commissioner Johnson seconded to approved the Healthy
Transportation Resolution as stated below:
A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF
SARATOGA SPRINGS, NEW YORK
WHEREAS, today pedestrians and bicyclists are discouraged from sharing the
roadway with automobiles due to safety concerns; and
WHEREAS, the City of Saratoga Springs has previously acknowledged the need for
expanding a network of sidewalks for safe walker and handicap transportation; and
WHEREAS, the Saratoga Springs City Risk Manager facilitates training for the
handicap and wheelchair bound on safe transportation through educational programs and
reflective vest distribution; and
WHEREAS, the City of Saratoga Springs acknowledges that a more comprehensive
approach to healthy transportation is desired to be created for pedestrian, bicycle and
handicap modes; and
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WHEREAS, the City of Saratoga Springs acknowledges that education and
enforcement are important components of beneficial healthy transportation initiatives; and
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that:
1. The City Council directs City departments, under the direction of Commissioner
Ivins, to work cooperatively to create healthy transportation initiatives that
embrace but not limited to Bike Boulevards, Complete Streets, open space trails, safe
handicap transportation.
2. The City Council will receive updates on the progress of initiatives and all
initiatives will be completed and presented to the Council for adoption no later
than the second meeting of September, 2009.
Commissioner Ivins stated he is an avid bicyclist and is out there fighting the traffic. He would like to work
with the various departments to come up with something they all can live with.
Commissioner Scirocco asked for clarification of the committee.
Commissioner Ivins stated this resolution stated the Council agrees pedestrian and bicycle safety is
important and we should do something. This empowers the committee to go forward. This forces the
committee to have to present something to the Council by September.
Commissioner Kim stated he thought from his discussions with Healthy Transportation is that we would
adopt concepts or principals; not that we were actually doing the projects. The stimulus package has a
complete streets resolution template that states: “be it resolved, all street projects including design,
planning, reconstruction, rehabilitation, maintenance,….shall be designed in a balanced, responsible, and
equitable way to accommodate and encourage travel by bicyclists, public transportation vehicles, and
their passengers and pedestrians of all ages and abilities.” He didn’t anticipate that we were taking on
the role of doing these projects.
Commissioner Ivins stated the resolution doesn’t state we are doing any projects. This is to take things
from different sources and put together what our goal and vision is.
Commissioner Kim states to him this resolution implies that there are initiatives; which is a word that says
to him that either Commissioner Ivins or this committee is doing things rather than setting up this value
system.
Commissioner Ivins stated they are creating initiatives that the Council will have to approve. He will have
to come back to the Council before any of those initiatives are ever implemented. We don’t know what the
initiatives are yet. The meetings will set the direction.
Mayor Johnson asked Bradley Birge if he wanted to comment on this. Brad stated it makes sense to look
at this and put together a philosophy the City wishes to go forward with. He reviewed the resolution and
encouraged the Council to look at this and identify the departments that should be involved and where this
will fit into everyone’s priorities.
Commissioner Scirocco asked if we are looking to put a budget together for this initiative.
Commissioner Ivins stated at some point that may happen but for right now all he is looking for is to create
the group that is going to create the broad vision.
Mayor Johnson asked for clarification of a bike boulevard.
Tobin Alexandria of East Avenue and of Healthy Transportation explained it is an organized network of
streets that connect. It is marked as a boulevard and asks cars and bikes to share the road responsibly.
Ayes – 4
Nays – Commissioner Kim
Discussion and Vote: DPS Internal Controls (09-57)
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Commissioner Ivins moved and Commissioner Franck seconded to approve the internal controls for
the Department of Public Safety as distributed .
Commissioner Ivins thanked Christine Gillmett-Brown and the DPS staff for all their work in putting these
together. Some of the policies are already in effect.
Ayes – All
Discussion: City Finances
Commissioner Ivins stated his office received a response from the State Comptrollers office. They plan to
be here on March 16th. Last week we received a check from NYRA for the 4th quarter utility bills that were
unpaid after the state took over the property. In the future, NYRA will continue to pay those utility bills as
a user and the state will pay the taxes. We have not received the 4th quarter property tax payment from
the state. He will be meeting with the County to discuss issues of how the payments will be made through
the county. We received the final 2008 payment for sales tax – we are about $600,000 short of the 2008
budget.
Public Works Department
Discussion and Vote: Approval of 2009 Water & Sewer Rates (09-58)
Commissioner Scirocco moved and Commissioner Ivins seconded the adoption of the 2009 water and
sewer rates as proposed.
Commissioner Ivins stated he is surprised to not here from the public after all the comments at the last
council meeting. He asked if Commissioner Scirocco met with the residents of Interlaken and what the
outcome was.
Commissioner Scirocco stated he did meet with the residents and they are working on a solution. They
will be meeting with them again on the 26th of March.
Commissioner Ivins stated he wants to see the budget balance but he is not comfortable with a 5%
increase in these economic times.
Commissioner Scirocco stated the reason they have this increase is because they did not sell what they
expected to sell. They are still going to have a shortfall with this increase. We are not talking about a
major increase. This increase is there because they need to balance that budget.
Commissioner Ivins stated he could probably live with a 3% increase. If we are selling less, maybe there
is a way to cut some expenses.
Commissioner Scirocco stated 3% isn’t something they could without running the numbers again. He
asked Bill McTygue to comment.
Bill McTygue stated we need to keep this in perspective. It is a modest increase of $.50 per 1,000 cubic
feet. The first category is where most of the users lay. This is strictly a user fee supported budget.
Commissioner Kim stated his issue is more of a timing issue. Any budget is more of a forecast. We are
approving this 5 months after we are approving our overall budget. He believes we should figure out how
to come up with numbers at the same time we are doing a budget.
Bill McTygue stated this best reflects the activity for the fiscal year. If we were to be specific about the
water rate increases and the numbers we are presenting tonight, we would have to roll the cycle
backwards 2 full payment periods. That would put 4 quarters of activity in 2 separate years. From a
budget standpoint, that would be chaotic. If we have a normal to dry year, we will close the budget gap.
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Ayes – 4
Nays – Commissioner Ivins
Discussion and Vote: Approval to Reclassify DPW Position (09-59)
Commissioner Scirocco moved and Commissioner Kim seconded to reclassif y a data collector to a
DPW coordinator .
Commissioner Scirocco stated they are abolishing the data collector and reclassifying it to DPW
coordinator with additional duties that came with the data collector position. They reviewed the duties and
responsibilities of the data collection position with the Civil Service Commission to reorganize, with the
loss of clerical positions in DPW in 2009. The current position is currently funded in the DPW budget as a
Grade 6, Step 2 at $32,036. The DPW coordinator will be a Grade 7, Step 2 at $33,306, for a difference of
$1270 yearly. Funding is in DPW budget and approved by the union and Civil Service. The effective date
will be 3/9/09.
Ayes – 4
Nays – Commissioner Franck
Public Safety Department
Announcement: Retirement of Lt. Jack King
Commissioner Kim announced the retirement of Lt. Jack King. He always served the City with integrity.
He began his 38 year career in 1971 at the age of 18. He will be missed.
Discussion: Economic Stimulus
Commissioner Kim advised on February 20th the governor had a meeting with a number of the agencies
that will funnel the money. His department has been reviewing that and will be applying for the following
possible grants:
1. Office of Technology Management has received stimulus money to provide broad band for public
safety department. A broad band network would be constructed in the city allowing the police, fire
and EMS to use it. There will be an unsecured, free web service available with that. There is a
meeting on March 6th to discuss this. He requested assistance from Commissioner Ivins IT dept.
2. He is also seeking funding on the police facility and eastside fire and EMS facility. They have
been told that bricks and mortar are not part of the stimulus package, but they see a lot of other
municipalities applying for this.
3. Through NYSERDA, they are seeking a code enforcement grant. There is money for the
establishment and maintenance of code enforcement programs.
4. COPS grant. Rules have changed on this and they will be funding threatened layoff or
replacement cops.
5. NYSERDA is offering a program for traffic signal safety maintenance. They are encouraging
cities to look at their current traffic signals and replace them with more energy efficient ones.
6. They are exploring several things in the fire department through the NYSERDA grants such as
providing hybrid technology. There are a lot of questions still open here.
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Discussion: Review Process of Ambulance Services
Commissioner Kim stated he would like to invite the Council to appoint a representative to their committee
to review the proposals and submit questions to them. Questions and representative names are need by
the end of this week to DPS. A meeting can be held next week.
Discussion: 66 Franklin Street
Commissioner Kim stated this is before the DRC for a potential demolition permit. This building was
condemned in 2006 by the code enforcers for habitation. At that point the premise was secured to the
point it could be to minimize any dangerous conditions. The property has changed ownership a couple of
times. Structural changes have occurred since the property had been condemned for habitation; this
information was learned through the press. Code enforcers are going to go back in to evaluate the
structural changes.
He also put out the thought of a vacant structure ordinance. Vacating a home for whatever reason does
have an affect on the neighborhood. The ordinance would state if the property owner is going to vacate a
home, then the city can monitor the property and charge a fee to do so.
Commissioner Franck read a couple excerpts from a 1973 Saratogian article regarding this property. If
we have the short-sightedness to tear this building down and not do what was done to save the Bachelor
Mansion, this would be a pity. This whole block has been fixed up and we should do what we can as a
City and community to get grants to get this place fixed up.
Commissioner Kim agrees although it is ultimately up to the DRC.
Mayor Johnson stated we live in a community where we put a premium on what can be preserved. He
would like to see whatever steps can be taken be taken to preserve this piece of property.
Discussion and Vote: Firefighter Settlement
See executive session section.
Discussion: Accept Proposal for High Rock Development
Commissioner Kim stated they would like to bid a professional services contract for an economic
feasibility study. This is the first step to a potential PLA. We have design money, $1.1 million in the 2006
capital budget that would support this; approximately $2,000 - $4,000. They would like to do this quickly
to move forward.
Mayor Johnson stated he does not disagree with the idea of a study to explore the possibility of a PLA.
He is concerned about using the funds mentioned because those funds were designated for the RFP you
had for the design and build of a police station on the corner of Lake Avenue and Maple Avenue and High
Rock, not in relation to the RFP on the table now.
Commissioner Kim stated he will take a look at the bond issuance. His recollection is the bond was
somewhat broad.
Commissioner Franck stated because the bid is already out, and the PLA and WICKS was not mentioned
in those bids, they will have to investigate because it could change the bid.
Commissioner Kim stated once we’ve done this, they can react to that; the economic study will help them
understand the potential costs if we go forward. It is an aid to the respondents as much as it is to us.
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Commissioner Franck stated usually when you do a PLA it is in regard to WICKS. He thinks they will
have to do the study both ways or hold off until we see what the Department of Labor says.
Mayor Johnson stated there is going to have to be a distinction between a public project and a private
project because there is a mixture here. The goal is to have some public benefit. His understanding of a
PLA is to know what kind of project you are dealing with; the terms of the due diligence and the public
benefit from that will vary from a mixed use project as opposed to something that is a public project. He
also shares some of the concerns of timing because we are in the bid process. We will need to discuss all
those things.
Commissioner Ivins stated his concern is there is also discussion of forming another organization and
leasing from that organization. The whole reason for doing that is you don’t have to go to WICKS.
Mark Mitcher, an Organizer for the Operating Engineers, stated if it is public money, you have to do an
economic feasibility study to show a cost savings with the PLA. If it is private money, you can sign a PLA
without doing an economic feasibility study. There are new laws with leasebacks and authorities that
should be checked into. They didn’t challenge the WICKS law although he expected the WICKS law to be
challenged. He spoke with labor lawyers and they didn’t feel the City had an exemption from the WICKS
law.
Commissioner Kim stated taking this step makes good sense if we still don’t know where we are going.
Two of the proposals require us to front public money.
Commissioner Ivins stated the non-profit we form does the bonding with those organizations and we take
out a lease option with them.
Commissioner Kim stated he thought with one of them we bond $3 million.
Set Public Hearing: Create Coin Drop Ordinance
Commissioner Kim pulled this item from the agenda.
Supervisors
Joanne Yepsen
Board of Supervisors Meeting
Supervisor Yepsen reported they passed 18 resolutions and set the committee meeting dates for March.
Some of the resolutions passed included: amending the Mental Health 2009 budget to accept additional
state funds, they urged the NYS Legislature to support the state’s Farmland Protection Program and
Environmental Protection Fund, they supported a senate bill to remove inequities in the assessment of the
new condo units, and authorized contracts for more expanded in home services for the elderly.
Governor’s Informational Meeting on Economic Stimulus Package
Supervisor Yepsen reported they heard from NYSERDA, DEC, DOT, and EFC. The pieces of the
recovery plan have to do with education, Medicaid, infrastructure and energy. Energy and technology is
where President Obama is going. She is pleased about the technology money because they started a
technology committee a year ago. For us to not to be on broadband in the city will hurt us.
The accountability is going to be down to the dollar. If your project is checked on and you don’t do what
you said you are going to do, they will take the money away. You have to be shovel ready and payments
will be made periodically.
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Guardian House for Homeless Women Veterans Update
Supervisor Yepsen reported the committee met at the county today. The county is supporting this project.
They have come close to choosing a location in Ballston Spa and applying for VA grant money later this
month. One big fundraiser will be held this summer to raise money for this project.
Grants to You – February Training Report
Supervisor Yepsen reported 20 additional people graduated from Grants to You. They have over 100
graduates from this program. They have applied for another 2 year grant from NYS to keep this program
going.
Sustainable Saratoga
Supervisor Yepsen reported CDTA representative gave a presentation. The next meeting is at Skidmore
on March 31st. The website is www.sustainablesaratoga.ning.com.
Matt Veitch
Board of Supervisors Meeting
Supervisor Veitch reported they had retained a navigation easement for the airport meaning they have an
easement above land to trim trees.
Trails Committee
Supervisor Veitch showed the forest land the county owns. The Committee was tasked with changing
some of the forest land. These lands were always open to the public but not easily accessible. The first
parcel they plan to develop is the space next to the Wilton Mall. An additional parking area will be built on
the other side of Louden Road with a dog park. Next to the parcel for the dog park is City owned land.
Mayor Johnson stated there is a lot of detail, but the concept is very good.
Racing Committee
Supervisor Veitch announced the next committee meeting will be held on March 5th. Commissioner Ivins
and Sam Pritcherell will attend to discuss property tax payments under the franchise agreement from the
state.
Green Committee
Supervisor Veitch announced the next committee meeting will be held on March 19th at 7 pm at Skidmore
College. They have been sponsored by the Government Department at Skidmore. This will be their
inaugural meeting.
ADJOURNMENT
Mayor Johnson moved and Commissioner Ivins seconded to adjourn the meeting.
Ayes - All.
There being no further business, Mayor Johnson adjourned the meeting at 10:53 pm.
Respectfully submitted,
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Lisa Ribis
Approved: 3-17-09
Vote: 5 - 0
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PRESENTATION(S):
EXECUTIVE SESSION:
Discussion regarding proposed, pending or current litigation; personal private
information of a person or corporation, or matters leading to the appointment,
employment, promotion, demotion, discipline, suspension, dismissal or removal of
a person or corporation.
CONSENT AGENDA
1. Approval of 2/17/09 City Council Minutes
2. Approve Budget Amendments
3. Approve Budget Transfers
4. Approve Payroll 2/20/09 $ 429,291.29
5. Approve Payroll 2/27/09 $454,997.31
6. Approve Warrant 2008 Mid MC11DEC8 $192,478.80
7. Approve Warrant 2009 Mid MC3FEB09 $312,407.40
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8. Approve Warrant 2009 Regular 1MAR09 $191,143.54
MAYOR’S DEPARTMENT
1. Discussion and Vote: 2009-2010 Weibel and Vernon Ice Rink License Agreement for Skating
Rink Time
2. Discussion and Vote: 2009 City of Saratoga Springs Field User Agreement
3. Presentation: 2009 CDBG Funding Recommendations
4. Set Public Hearing: Citizen Advisory Committee recommendations for 2009 Entitlement Action Plan
5. Appointment: Zoning Board of Appeals
6. Discussion: Economic Stimulus Package and meeting with Governors office on 2-20-2009
7. Discussion: Potential Economic Stimulus Funds for Spring Run Trail
8. Discussion: Status of Indoor Recreation Facility Project
9. Discussion and Vote: Designation of Zoning Board of Appeals as an involved agency and
referral of Indoor Recreation Center to the ZBA for review
ACCOUNTS DEPARTMENT
1. Discussion and Vote: Authorization for Mayor to Sign Grant Application
2. Discussion and Vote: Award of Bid - Field Marking Paint
3. Discussion and Vote: Award of Bid - Grass Seed
4. Discussion and Vote: Award of Bid - Printed Polyethylene Bags
5. Discussion and Vote: Award of Bid - Sand
6. Discussion and Vote: Award of Bid - Street Trees
7. Discussion: Coin Drops
8. Announcement: Condominium Resolution
9. Discussion: Land Use Boards' Minutes
FINANCE DEPARTMENT
1. Discussion and Vote: Accept Saratoga's All-American Celebration Donation
2. Discussion and Vote: West Avenue Special Assessment District Report
3. Discussion and Vote: Healthy Transportation Resolution
4. Discussion: City Finances
5. Discussion and Vote: DPS Internal Controls
PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT
1. Discussion and Vote: Approval of 2009 Water & Sewer Rates
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2. Discussion and Vote: Approval to Reclassify DPW Position
PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENT
1. Announcement: Retirement of Lt. Jack King
2. Discussion: Economic Stimulus
3. Discussion: Review Process for Ambulance Services
4. Discussion: 66 Franklin Street
5. Discussion and Vote: Firefighter Settlement
6. Discussion and Vote: Accept Proposal for High Rock Development
7. Set Public Hearing: Create Coin Drop Ordinance
SUPERVISORS
1. Joanne Yepsen
1. Report from February Board of Supervisors meeting
2. Governor's Informational meeting on Economic Stimulus Package
3. Guardian House for Homeless Women Veterans Update
4. Grants To You - February Training Report
5. Sustainable Saratoga: Next Program - March 31
2. Matthew Veitch
1. Update: February Board of Supervisors Meeting
2. Update: Trails Committee
3. Announcement: Racing Committee March 5
4. Announcement: Green Committee March 19
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