City Council
Regular MeetingSaratoga Springs, NY · May 27, 2009
Minutes
CITY OF SARATOGA SPRINGS
CITY COUNCIL MEETING
CITY COUNCIL ROOM
WEDNESDAY, MAY 27, 2009
1:30 P.M.
PRESENT: John Franck, Commissioner of Accounts
Ken Ivins, Commissioner of Finance
Ron Kim, Commissioner of DPS
Anthony Scirocco, Commissioner of DPW
STAFF PRESENT: Patrick Design, Deputy Commissioner, DPW
Michele Boxley, Deputy Commissioner, Accounts
Eileen Finneran, Deputy Commissioner, DPS
Kate Jarosh, Deputy Commissioner, Finance
Shauna Sutton, Deputy Mayor
Joe Scala, City Attorney
EXCUSED: Scott Johnson, Mayor
RECORDING OF PROCEEDING
The proceedings of this meeting were taped for the benefit of the secretary. Because the minutes are not
a verbatim record of the proceedings, the minutes are not a word-for-word transcript.
CALL TO ORDER
Commissioner Ivins called the meeting to order at 1:32 p.m.
PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD
Frank Dudla of 23 Casino Drive and former deputy of public safety stated he has learned over the years
that adequate staffing is key to an effective department. For years the police and fire departments have
provided a proactive approach to public safety for this City. Because of this, we don’t experience some of
the problems other cities experience. Any reduction of staff reduces the response time. You say you can’t
afford the current staffing, he says you can’t afford not to have the current staffing. You can’t put a price
on someone’s life.
Al Colucci of 9 Lexington Road stated the budget shouldn’t be political or personal. From 2005 – 2009,
DPW’s budget increased from $1.1 million to $1.7 million, which is a 5% increase. Over a 5 year period,
that is modest. During that same time, public safety’s budget went up $4 million or 25%. That $4 million
did not include any additional staff. Before looking at eliminating positions in either department, look at
where the $4 million increase came from.
Debra Fuller of 32 Lakewood Drive stated he has been a resident all her life. She has had occasion to
use the fire department due to a fire at her home and medical issues with her family. The paramedics
who responded were trained and qualified to handle any medical emergency. It is a disservice to
compromise the safety of the residents of Saratoga Springs.
Dave Bronner of 5 Royal Henly Court stated the City is in a tough fiscal situation. They need to determine
where we are going to go from here. Do we have the right number of police officers? The commissioner
suggested hiring an outside expert to evaluate the number of officers and he agrees. The same process
should occur with the fire department as well. There is too much politics going on here and we need to
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move away from the scare tactics. The demographics of this City are much different than other cities like
Albany, Schenectady, or Troy. He doesn’t feel we need a fire house on the East Ridge.
Kevin Genier of 51 Hawthorne Boulevard and president of the firefighters union stated the mayor made a
statement regarding the state park being in the middle of the City and that skews some of our numbers.
The state park is in the middle of the City and skews the number. They do respond in the state park and
SPAC. There is also a grant proposal that would allow the use of federal funding to prevent fire
department staffing reductions. This is something the Council may want to look into. If the fire staff is
decreased, the ISO rating could decrease causing the insurance premiums to go up. He presented the
each member of the Council with a copy of the GIS study that was done.
Ed Lewis a Wilton resident and president of the Saratoga PBA stated this City is kept safe because the
officers keep it safe. Before anyone here was on the Council, Jamaican drug dealers moved into town.
The department started a drug unit, shoved these people out and took care of the problem – they’re
proactive. They have solved 2 homicides. They are going to scare the residents with staff cuts. The
Council is responsible for the 0% tax increase and knew the VLT money was not guaranteed and still you
made it part of the budget. Why?
Paul Veitch of 6 Sherri Road stated on your worst day you call us (police). When your kid is hurt you call
us, the fire department. Cutting services is going to cut response time. When you call us we ALWAYS
show up. If we don’t have the resources we can’t respond and it is unsafe for everyone.
Commissioner Ivins closed the public comment period as the time allotted had elapsed.
Mayor’s Department
Nothing at this time.
Accounts Department
Nothing at this time.
Finance Department
Nothing at this time.
Public Works Department
Discussion and Vote: Authorization to for Mayor to Sign Green Innovation Grant Application – Geyser
Crest Well Field Improvement Project (09-158)
Commissioner Scirocco moved and Commissioner Ivins seconded to authorize the mayor to sign the
Green Innovation Grant Application for the Geyser Crest Well Fields improvement project.
Commissioner Scirocco advised that the governor called for projects to be submitted for a new grant
program funded by the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. This grant is designed to promote
water conservation, energy efficiency, green infrastructure and other green innovation projects. There will
be a 10% match required from the grant recipients. The program has to be 100% under contract or
proceeding with construction no later than January 1, 2010. The grant applications are due by May 29,
2009. They are asking for $214,000 in grant money. They are looking at a construction date of August.
Commissioner Scirocco added that Nancy Wagner was the person was the person that brought this grant
to his attention. Therefore he commended her for her efforts.
Aye - All
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Public Safety Department
Commissioner Kim advised that he originally planned to present this information at the June 2nd City
Council meeting, but due to discussions and the press, they wanted the people to have the facts. He
thanked his staff for getting the information ready in a short time period.
Commissioner Kim started the presentation by stating the following disclaimer: that this is not the
recommendation nor should it be construed as a recommendation by the Department of Public Safety.
This is an analysis of what the cuts would be if this City Council acts as such and cuts $1.3 million from
the department of public safety. At the last Council meeting- each department was given budget cuts to
work with. All departments were given 3.85% to cut with the exception of the finance department and
public safety. Finance was given 3.28% to cut and public safety was given 6.89% to cut. The statement
was made that all the money is in the department of public safety – it is true they are the largest
department and highly trained people. The difference between the DPS 2009 budget and the DPS 2008
actual is $674,000.00. Finance then took the $670,000 and added it to the $763,000, which would have
been their fair cut, to total $1.3 million or 6.89%. The mayor returned $72,000 in 2008, therefore, by use
of this math, he should be cut $163,000. Commissioner Kim reviewed the areas where they were able to
save in 2008 for a total of $600,000 in savings.
Commissioner Kim stated if they got rid of every person in his department with the exception of 1 police
officer and 1 firefighter, they still couldn’t come up with $1.3 million dollar in savings; they still would fall
short by $300,000. To meet the $1.3 million amount, DPS would have to cut $133,000 administratively
from his office, eliminate 14 firefighters, 18 patrol officers, a sergeant, 2 dispatchers, 2 vacant dispatch
positions, 2 parking enforcers, school crossing guards, overtime, etc. (see attached presentation for
complete list). Commissioner Kim went on to describe the impacts that would be realized with the
elimination of police and firefighters, such as an increase in response time. Every community has a fire
protection service rating. If an insurance company says they know the fire department can’t get to a fire,
the City’s insurance will go up; that’s a hidden tax. They don’t have enough police to staff for special
events; this is one of the tough choices they will have to make.
Chief Moore advised the total number of patrol officers in 1976 was 49, in 2009 they have 43. After the
cuts proposed, they will have 18 officers left. It takes 5 police officers to put 1 police officer on the street
24/7. So far this year, they have had a 15% increase in calls for service. We can’t make these cuts; we
would be endangering every police officer that is employed by this City. There has to be a better way;
there has to be another place to find money. He is here to work with the Council.
Commissioner Kim stated his department is ready to deal with a budget issue that needs to be dealt with.
This isn’t the way to do it. There are revenues out there that can solve this. We should be planning for
next year and grab revenues for today. The sale of High Rock may be one- time revenue, but we have
done this before and it will provide us time and bridge us to the future.
Commissioner Franck asked for a copy of the presentation. He was the only one consistently saying they
shouldn’t put the VLT money in the budget. The Council was told by Albany they were going to get half;
and he still didn’t feel they should put the money in the budget. When you hear the word revenues that
means tax increases or user fees. Even if we get $4.5 million (for High Rock lot) we will still have to buy
equipment. He is cutting in his department. He doesn’t see any way for there not to be a tax increase
next year.
Commissioner Scirocco stated the last thing they should be doing is cutting on any essential services. He
agrees with Commissioner Kim in regard to the parking lots. He thinks they need to take a look at every
piece of property the City owns and see if they can get it back on the tax role. He can’t imagine spending
$6.5 million on a recreation center when they could have done something with the bonds to turn it around.
They need to get their priorities straight. He felt if they left the VLT money in the budget, the state would
recognize the fact that it is host benefits for the City; it made all the sense to leave it in there. The only
place we have to go now is take bodies out.
Commissioner Franck advised the Council that most host communities didn’t put the VLT money in their
budgets. Albany didn’t care if we had the VLT money in the budget or not. That money is gone for good.
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Commissioner Ivins stated Governor Spitzer announced 2 years ago that he was going to cut the VLT
money in half and then nothing the following year. Last fall Governor Paterson said he was cutting the
VLT money in half. He lied to us. If we had taken all the VLT money out as Commissioner Franck said,
we would have had this meeting last fall. He put one-time money in to compensate for the loss of the VLT
money. He pushed for a 2 – 3 % tax increase. He also received 50 e-mails from the community asking for
a 0% tax increase. He asked Commissioner Kim for the line items that support the presentation. He
plans to come back to the Council at the next Council meeting with a presentation on the entire budget.
ADJOURNMENT
Commissioner Ivins moved and Commissioner Scirocco seconded to adjourn the meeting.
Ayes - All
There being no further business, Commissioner Ivins adjourned the meeting at 2:50 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Lisa Ribis
Approved: 5-16-09
Vote: 5 - 0
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Agenda
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CITY OF SARATOGA SPRINGS
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1:30 PM
CALL TO ORDER
ROLL CALL
SALUTE TO FLAG
PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD / 15 MINUTES
PRESENTATION(S):
EXECUTIVE SESSION:
CONSENT AGENDA
MAYOR’S DEPARTMENT
ACCOUNTS DEPARTMENT
FINANCE DEPARTMENT
PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT
1. Discussion and Vote: Authorization for the Mayor to sign Green Innovation Grant Application-
Geyser Crest Well Field Improvement Project
PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENT
1. Presentation: 2009 Midyear Public Safety Budget Cuts
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