City Council
Regular MeetingSaratoga Springs, NY · May 18, 2010
Minutes
May 18, 2010
CITY OF SARATOGA SPRINGS
City Council
Meeting
Agenda
6:55 PM P.H. – Stop Signs at Phila & Court
Streets
7:00 PM
CALL TO ORDER
ROLL CALL
SALUTE TO FLAG
PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD / 15 MINUTES
PRESENTATION(S)
1. Last Call for Alcohol
2. Johnson Controls
EXECUTIVE SESSION
Discussion regarding proposed, pending or current litigation; personal private information of a person or
corporation, or matters leading to the appointment, employment, promotion, demotion, discipline,
suspension, dismissal or removal of a person or corporation.
CONSENT AGENDA
1. Approval of 5/4/10 City Council Minutes
2. Approve Budget Amendments
3. Approve Budget Transfers
4. Approve Payroll 5/14/10 $363,242.50
5. Approve Payroll 5/7/10 $490,033.15
6. Approve Warrant 2010 Mid 10MWMAY1 $117,011.69
7. Approve Warrant 2010 Regular 10MAY2 $1,786,928.44
MAYOR’S DEPARTMENT
1. Discussion and Vote: Accept Donation from Rich and Mary Flaherty Through the Friends of
Recreation
2. Discussion and Vote: City of Saratoga Springs & Saratoga American Legion Stampede Co-
Sponsored Baseball Clinic 2010
3. Discussion and Vote: Saratoga Springs City School District Voucher
4. Discussion and Vote: Firehouse Boundary Line Agreement
ACCOUNTS DEPARTMENT
1. Announcement: Grievance Day
2. Announcement: How to Grieve Your Assessment Class
FINANCE DEPARTMENT
1. Discussion and Vote: Authorization for Mayor to Sign Contract with Bluesology – July 4th
City Council Meeting
5/18/10
2. Discussion and Vote: Accept Donations-Saratoga’s All-American Celebration
3. Discussion and Vote: Authorization to Increase Bond Counsel Service Cap
4. Discussion and Vote: Amend 2010 Bond Resolution
5. Discussion and Vote: Standard Work Day Resolution
6. Discussion and Vote: Mayor’s Department Payroll Transfers
7. Discussion and Vote: Department of Public Works Payroll Transfers
8. Discussion and Vote: Department of Public Safety Payroll Transfers
9. Discussion: City Finances
PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT
1. Discussion: Lillian’s Parking Lot
2. Update: Nelson Avenue
PUBLIC SAFETY
1. Announcement: Update on Overtime Savings Year to Date
2. Announcement: Update on Parking Ticket Revenue
3. Announcement: Update on Traffic Stops on Rt. 50
4. Discussion and Vote: Permission for the Council to Accept the Use of a Training Room/Multi
Purpose Room at Jefferson Terrace
5. Discussion and Vote: Permission To Establish a Fee Schedule for Overtime for Special Events
6. Discussion and Vote: Permission for the Mayor to Sign the Lease Agreement for the Police
Vehicles
7. Discussion and Vote: Permission for the City Council to Fill the Vacant Position of Public Safety
Office Supervisor
8. Discussion and Vote: Stop Signs at Phila Street and Court Street
9. Discussion and Vote: Permission for the City Council to Fill the Vacant Position of Senior Account
Clerk Within the Salary Range as Stated in the Union Contract
10. Discussion and Vote: Permission from City Council to Fill Two Vacant Dispatcher Positions
11. Discussion and Vote: Stop Signs at Phila and Court Streets
SUPERVISORS
Joanne Yepsen
1. County Update
2. NY Racing Update
Matt Veitch
1. May 2010 Public Safety Committee
2. Review May 2010 Board of Supervisors Resolutions
ADJOURN
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May 18, 2010
CITY OF SARATOGA SPRINGS
City Council
Meeting
City Council Room
PRESENT: Scott Johnson, Mayor
Ken Ivins, Commissioner of Finance
John Franck, Commissioner of Accounts
Anthony Scirocco, Commissioner of DPW
Richard Wirth, Commissioner of DPS
Matthew Veitch, Supervisor
Joanne Yepsen, Supervisor (arrived 7:05)
STAFF PRESENT: Shauna Sutton, Deputy Mayor
Kate Jarosh, Deputy Commissioner, Finance
Michele Boxley, Deputy Commissioner, Accounts
Frank Dudla, Deputy Commissioner, DPS
Joe Scala, City Attorney
ABSENT: Tim Cogan, Deputy Commissioner, DPW
RECORDING OF PROCEEDING
The proceedings of this meeting were taped for the benefit of the secretary. Because the minutes are not a
verbatim record of the proceedings, the minutes are not a word-for-word transcript.
Public Hearing
Stop Signs at Phila and Court Street
Mayor Johnson opened the public hearing at 6:56 p.m.
No one spoke.
Mayor Johnson closed the public hearing at 7:00 p.m.
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CALL TO ORDER
Mayor Johnson called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m.
PRESENTATIONS
Last Call for Alcohol
Commissioner Franck presented a memo/opinion from Stephen M. Dorsey, First Assistant County Attorney
on May 5, 2010 regarding the County’s feeling of how the law works. The memo explains the history of the
law. He read the following from the letter: “Further statutory support for this position is found in County
Law §237 which is entitled “Alcoholic Beverage Control”. County Law §237 stated: Pursuant to Alcoholic
Beverage Control Law §17, the board of supervisors by resolution may request the state liquor authority to
further restrict the hours during which alcoholic beverages may be sold at retail. County Law §237 and
Alcoholic Beverage Control Law clearly establish a county’s role in restricting the hours of sale of alcoholic
beverages at retail on premises post-April 1, 1995, to a county board of supervisors requesting, by
resolution, the State Liquor Authority to impose an earlier more restrictive time that 4:00 a.m. Unless a
county has imposed a more restrictive time than 4:00 a.m. by rule adopted by a county alcoholic beverages
control board prior to April 1, 1995, the State Liquor authority has the sole and ultimate authority to impose
earlier bar closing times when requested to do so by resolution adopted by a county board of supervisors.
Furthermore, there is nothing in either Alcoholic Beverage Control Law §§106(5) OR 17(11), OR County
Law §237, which requires the imposition of a uniform countywide bard closing time. There appears to be
nothing in either the Alcoholic Beverage Control Law or the County Law which would prohibit the Saratoga
County Board of Supervisors from adopting a resolution requesting the State Liquor Authority to impose an
earlier closing time solely in the City of Saratoga Springs, and not on a countywide basis. Ultimately, it will
be the State Liquor Authority’s decision as to whether it is legal and appropriate to authorize differing bar
closing times within the municipalities of Saratoga County.”
Commissioner Franck further defined that this does allow us to change the closing time of the bars in the
City. He read the following resolution that he is proposing:
A Resolution of the City Council of the city of Saratoga Springs, New York
Restricting the On- Premise Sale of Alcoholic Beverages to 2 a.m. From Labor Day to Memorial Day
Mayor Scott T. Johnson
Commissioner John Franck
Commissioner Kenneth Ivins
Commissioner Anthony Scirocco
Commissioner Richard Wirth
WHEREAS, the City Council recognizes its statutory mandate to protect eh public welfare, health peace, and safety and its
responsibility to work within the community to help mitigate the negative impacts of public intoxication associated with the o0n-
paremise sale of alcohol at establishments regulated by the City of Saratoga Springs.
WHEREAS, the city Council seeks to restrict the hours of on-premise sales of alcohol in the City of Saratoga Springs to no later than
2 a.m. from Labor Day through Memorial Day each years.
THEREFORE, be it RESOLVED, that the City Council hereby requests that the County Board of Supervisors, in accordance with
County Law section 237, petition the New York State Liquor Authority to restrict the hours during which alcohol can be sold on-
premise within the City of Saratoga Springs, thereby specifically prohibiting such sales between the hours of 2 a.m. and 8 a.m. from
Labor Day through Memorial Day.
And be if further RESOLVED, that the Clerk of the city of Saratoga Springs shall forward a copy of this Resolution to all members of
the County Board of Supervisors, and to the Commissioner of the New York State Liquor Authority.
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Commissioner Franck will schedule a public hearing and vote on June 1st. If the resolution passes, we will
send this to the County Board of Supervisors. They will also hold a public hearing to begin their process. If
the resolution passes at the County, the County Board of Supervisors will send the resolution to the State
Liquor Authority.
Mayor Johnson inquired what the likelihood of the State Liquor Authority granting the request.
Commissioner Franck stated they have not done it in Saratoga County since 1995. In 1995, everyone had
their own rules. In New York City, it is run by neighborhoods. In Manhattan, Brooklyn, or Bronx get a new
license after 2 a.m. If your license was for 4 a.m. they are grandfathered in.
Commissioner Scirocco confirmed we have to first pass a resolution to send to the County, and then they
would pass a resolution.
Supervisor Yepsen stated she received a memo from the County attorney about an hour ago saying what
Commissioner Franck just said.
Commissioner Franck read a letter from Mark Rider, the County attorney. It basically stated the County is
going to pass it, which puts to rest the rumors that the County would turn it down because they would lose
out on their portion of the sales tax. If the State Liquor Authority says no, then nothing changes.
Mayor Johnson asked how long it would take for the State Liquor Authority to decide.
Commissioner Franck stated his understanding is it wouldn’t be a long turn around time. The money
argument is fading. Many times during the week many of the bars aren’t open past 2 a.m. Another
argument he has heard is if the bars are closed at 2 a.m., everyone is going to have house parties and we
don’t know where they are. House parties happen but when do you stop a house party. He wants to sit
with the bar owners to talk. He is also hearing from people if this isn’t going to work; what is the solution.
Everything he has given to date is from an attorney or law. He is flexible and is willing to talk further about
it.
Commissioner Wirth stated Chief Cole would like to say a few things during the public comment period
from the officers and merchants. He will able to give stats on routine checks.
Commissioner Franck asked Chief Cole to step up now and provide his stats now.
Chief Cole commended Commissioner Franck and the Council for acknowledging there is an issue with the
safety of the public and the police officers. It can be very dangerous, not just after 2 a.m., but anytime
there is alcohol involved. It is also important to understand statistics won’t give the big picture, the real life
issues of what happens. He has been receiving feedback from chiefs of police throughout New York State
that currently have a 2 a.m. closing time and are in college towns. If we are talking September through
May, we are talking the time the kids are in college. If we are talking about safety of the public, we need to
talk about year round, not just September through May. There is a cause and effect; the cause is over
serving people; intoxicated people are being served. The Police Department has regular meetings with the
bar owners. The over-served patrons are disorderly, drive while intoxicated, assaultive, destroy property,
etc. Any proposal has to alleviate the effects and consider any possible new consequences it is going to
create. The proposal he just saw may help alleviate the problems as they exist today but he doesn’t know
if it will alleviate the problems as they may exist if these changes are made. He has spoken with chiefs of
police from around the state that have 2:00 closing times and are also college towns. What happens at
2:00 in the college towns is you have a mass exit of patrons. He is not stating his position tonight for or
against this issue. With closing times at 4 a.m. the people empty out little by little; you do not have a mass
exit. At 2 a.m. in college towns, you will see the mass exit; Caroline Street will be a sea of people. It is
more difficult for the police to manage this from a crowd control perspective. This could increase the
number of injuries and the amount of overtime we pay to properly staff. In college towns, students don’t go
home at 2:00 in the morning. Many find the opportunity to find another place to drink; they will spread out
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into the neighborhoods. We have a house on Beacon Hill Drive that we deal with on an every weekend
basis. This house is owned by a Skidmore alumni, rented to college students, and we are out there
constantly with issues. When they respond to house parties, they will have 25, 50, or even 100 people in a
house. Instead of being able to concentrate our staffing into one area, we will have to spread our staffing
out. Instead of having 5 officers handling a situation, they will have 2 officers walking into a house with 100
people. It’s a recipe for disaster. We may have to increase our staffing to handle simultaneous calls. This
will increase overtime. He is not convinced that changing the hour from 4 a.m. to 2 a.m. is going to take
care of those problems; it may create more. They do routine unannounced inspections; 65 unannounced
inspections were done in 2009. So far this year they inspected 31 premises. They check for underage
drinkers, disorderly people, etc. If they find a violation, they make an arrest, issue a citation, and the police
obtain their liquor license information to report to the liquor authority. Unfortunately it gets so busy on
Caroline Street that officers are putting out fires (from one fight to another) and don’t have a lot of time to
go into the bars to get that information; on serious offenses they do. Ideas and solutions include the City
demanding proof that the bar owners and employers attend TIPS training.
Commissioner Franck advised we can’t enforce that.
Chief Cole continued to say before the Council weighs a decision, they need to weigh the pros and cons.
Either ways we are going to have problems. We know what happens now but we don’t know what will
happen in the future.
Commissioner Franck asked how many bars were closed in the past 5 years for over selling alcohol.
Chief Cole stated he would have to check with the SLA (State Liquor Authority).
Commissioner Franck asked how many students are currently at Skidmore.
Chief Cole believed there are approximately 2,500.
Commissioner Franck asked if he knew how many students live on campus.
Chief Cole did not know.
Commissioner Franck asked if he knew how many students are over the age of 21.
Chief Cole felt the number was limited; probably ¼ of the senior class.
Commissioner Franck stated he is bringing this up because this is a different college town from others.
Skidmore is pretty much a closed campus where they live on campus. Most likely that is where their house
parties are going to be.
Chief Cole stated Commissioner Franck is talking about legal drinking age and most of the house parties
are not of legal drinking age.
Commissioner Franck stated from looking across the U.S., 4 a.m. bar closing is the exception; most are 1
a.m. or 2 a.m. He asked Chief when they have their biggest crowds.
Chief Cole stated Friday nights and Saturday nights on the off season.
Commissioner Franck stated one thing he didn’t hear Chief Cole bring up is people driving to different
municipalities. He is trying to find out what the magic hour is when all this stops.
Chief Cole doesn’t feel there is a magic hour. College kids who are the drinkers are not going to bed at 2
a.m.
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Commissioner Franck stated if we have 400 or 500 seniors and they all went out on the weekend, and we
know there are more people than that out on weekends, then these people are coming from out of town.
Chief Cole stated some bars do their best to keep the underage drinkers out of their bars. Others don’t
care and if they can get $5 in the register they will let anyone in. We do have surrounding communities
come to Saratoga for the night life year round.
Commissioner Franck asked if it would be safer to send those people home at 2 a.m. than 4 a.m.
Chief Cole stated preferably.
Commissioner Franck stated he is not seeing where people say the driving is going to get worse. He
understands where there is a funnel type situation, but doesn’t that happen more because bars close at
different times anyway.
Chief Cole stated it does but they are able to better manage that because they have details out there to
deal with the intoxicated drivers. It is easier to deal with those issues when there are less people on the
road. If you have hundreds getting in their cars at one time is virtually impossible to manage from a safety
perspective.
Commissioner Franck asked if it would it make sense to have a resolution stating the bars close at 1:00 or
2:00 Monday through Thursday and Friday, Saturday, and Sunday keep the bars open until 3:00 a.m.;
average it out.
Chief Cole stated it is a Council decision. He can give the facts of what they deal with. Friday night and
Saturdays nights are their busiest times; they do have issues the other nights. Finals week at Skidmore
are just as busy as a summer week. He knows Commissioner Franck likes statistics and he can give all
the figures he wants.
Commissioner Franck stated he is starting with a figure; all he is hearing is subjective things.
Chief Cole stated the officers are dealing with real issues on the streets. He is trying to give the
perspective of what they really deal with physically in real life.
Commissioner Franck stated he has former high ranking police officers in the minutes stating we should
close the bars at 2:00 a.m.
Chief Cole stated he doesn’t want to cause more problems which are going to be greater than the ones we
have now.
Commissioner Frank stated we used to close the bars at 1:00 during the week until the early ‘60’s.
Chief Cole stated keeping that in context, times have changed; our tourist industry has changed.
Commissioner Franck stated he is trying to get a good idea of what is happening.
Chief Cole stated he is willing to sit down and discuss all these issues.
Commissioner Franck stated he has been talking about this for 6 weeks and willing to talk about this
longer. We got the legal issues out of the way the best we can. The feeling he is getting is not much
happens earlier in the week but starts to increase as the week goes on.
Chief Cole stated he can’t disagree with that generally speaking.
Commissioner Franck stated the funnel, people leaving town, the college students, various arguments fall
to the way side on 65 – 70% of the week.
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Chief Cole stated there are times that maybe they could adjust the times. His concern is on the busy
times, by doing that, will force people into the residential neighborhoods. Residents will wake up to people
urinating on the lawns, damaging their flowers, etc. The issues they are having with certain houses will
intensify with more people going to these parties.
Commissioner Franck stated with the chief’s expertise, he has narrowed it down to late week/weekend
issue. He asked if the other chiefs can send him statements on how their towns work.
Chief Cole stated he is receiving e-mails from them and conversing with them. Like anything, you get
responses from some.
Commissioner Franck stated he would like to look at them as he has spoken with some municipalities and
they are telling him the opposite. He asked Chief Cole if he has heard from residents on this.
Chief Cole stated he hasn’t heard one way or the other from anybody.
Commissioner Franck stated the bottom line is on the busy evenings he doesn’t have enough people. We
all can make the argument that having a couple extra people on the beat would make it safer for
everybody.
Chief Cole advised the supervisors are told to staff appropriately based upon the issues and the number of
people downtown.
Johnson Control Energy Performance Contract
Commissioner Scirocco passed out a performance contract cost avoidance report created by Johnson
Controls. He introduced Chris Kalawara and Darrell Marley of Johnson Controls.
Chris Kalawara of Johnson Controls and Darrell Marley presented to the Council. Darryl is collecting all
the energy savings data and put the report together. Chris explained their first agreement was passed in
2007, then 2 amendments that added additional scope to the project.
Darryl explained different aspects of the project were being installed during 2008 & 2009. Facility
improvements included lighting upgrades, energy efficient boilers, energy management system, boiler
controls, etc. A report is created annually showing what was saved, including the amount saved by each
City owned facility.
PUBLIC COMENT
Mayor Johnson opened the public comment period at 7:54 p.m.
Mayor Johnson said the public comment period is limited to a total of 15 minutes and individuals
are limited to two minutes each according to the rules approved in February of 2004 by the City
Council.
Terri Raybine of Saratoga also owns a business in Lake George. He stated what happens in Saratoga
Springs does have an affect on the establishment he owns in Lake George. He is not seeing some of the
situations brought up by Commissioner Franck or not seeing the rowdiness that is uncontrollable. He
agrees with the chief of police regarding the wording in the resolution where the health, peace, and safety
of the public and the police force will be compromised by closing bars at 2 a.m. The City does a
remarkable job controlling and maintaining a safe environment. He opposes closing the bars early.
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Dave Bronner of 5 Royal Henley Court commented about the conduct of this meeting. The agenda gets
changed around to the inconvenience of the tax payers. His concern this evening has to do with a report
he read in the Saratogian. The police and the firemen will not be able to participate in the Flag Day Parade
because we don’t have the money to pay for their overtime. The policemen and firemen should be
standing in line to volunteer to walk in the parade. This is an example of the union contracts running
amuck. The veterans who are marching are not getting paid; they are there because of patriotism. The
reserves, CBA also do not get paid for their time.
Andrew Bernstein of 33 Franklin Street stated he was involved in a bike race held on May 2, 2010. He
thanked many members of the Public Safety Department and the Accounts Department for helping him get
this event organized. He recognizes there were some concerns regarding the race from residents but no
one has contacted him. He is asking if anyone from City offices hear of any complaints that they direct the
person to him.
David Wolven of 149 Van Dam Street stated he is also a bar tender downtown. The chief of police made
most of his points. In regards to the parties that will be held in the homes, there will be more than drinking
going on that will add to the problems in this City. He asked the Council to seriously think about this
proposal.
Andrea Hyde Rogers of Saratoga Springs stated her father learned how to drink at his fraternity. Back
then they had someone checking for underage drinking at house parties. She thinks someone here should
be checking for underage drinking at house parties. There was a hearing in the Cortland County building
in the late ‘80’s where someone from the Liquor Authority spoke. This person stated there were too many
bars in Courtland. Someone should look into this hearing to protect the students.
Al Callucci of 9 Lexington Road stated the entrance to the City at the corner of Rt. 50 and Rt. 9 is an empty
lot. We torn down the old gas station to improve the look but all it is is an empty lot. Maybe we can put up
a flag, some landscaping, etc. The empty lot greets our visitors; we should make the main entrance to the
City something we can be proud of. In regards to the 2 a.m. bar closing issue, we are in a unique situation
because we are surrounded by 4 a.m. towns. His concern with the mass exit is we are going to have
people going up and down inebriated in both directions. He also looked at the arrests for the past year;
most were for people out of town, not in town.
Commissioner Scirocco stated the lot at Rt. 50 and Rt. 9 is privately owned by Crown Oil.
Kim Smith stated she has been the manager of Gaffney’s for the past 20 years. They work into the late
hours of the morning. They don’t have the opportunity most people have to go home and casually fix
dinner, and visit with family and friends. The workers in the restaurant/bar industry are intelligent, hard
working, trained in CPR, and have TIPS training. These people need the time to visit with their friends,
have a cocktail and go home. She is against the 2 a.m. closing.
Jasper Alexander of 199 East Avenue and owner of Hattie’s, stated this first hurdle is going to be the
largest hurdle. He cautioned making a decision without having all the information, comments, etc. Also, as
a liquor license holder, his is as on the hook as he can possibly be. Restaurants and bars need to survive
by being consistent to their clientele. This needs to be kept in mind when deciding what hour the bars will
close. Doing various hours on various days is confusing to the public. He also inquired as to what
happens to the sale of alcohol at the convenient stores, Price Choppers, etc.
Commissioner Franck advised this proposal is just on premise. There are differing hours and rules
between bars and restaurants now.
Kyle York of 59 Railroad Place asked this Council to create a blue ribbon panel for the Saratoga Track.
The need to save our track is very the fight for all our lives. We will find no support for this fight in Albany.
The horse racing industry creates $1 billion dollars for the state. This is a state in need of cash. It owns a
horse track in our town but has no agency to run it. This panel can create a way to create that entity; and
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IPO, an LLP, etc. In the end, the people purchase and own the key to our own fortune. This can be a
citizen funded initiative.
Tim Holmes of 440 Broadway and owner of Wheatfields stated in the off season, it is the people who work
in the City that go out from 10 p.m. to 1 p.m. As he listens to cause and effect he wonders if these people
will be forced to consume quicker if they go out at 1 p.m. and everything closes at 2 a.m.
Mayor Johnson closed the public comment period at 8:23 p.m.
Executive Session
Mayor Johnson moved and Commissioner Wirth seconded to move to executive session for
discussion regarding proposed, pending or current litigation; personal private information of a
person or corporation, or matters leading to the appointment, employment, promotion, demotion,
discipline, suspension, dismissal or removal of a person or corporation, including the PBA
contract at 9:55 p.m.
Ayes - All
Council returned from session at 10:37 p.m.
Mayor Johnson reported the Council did not resolve anything during the executive session; therefore there
is nothing to report.
CONSENT AGENDA
Mayor Johnson moved and Commissioner Franck seconded to approve the consent agenda as follows:
1. Approval of 5/4/10 City Council Minutes
2. Approve Budget Amendments
3. Approve Budget Transfers
4. Approve Payroll 5/14/10 $363,242.50
5. Approve Payroll 5/7/10 $490,033.15
6. Approve Warrant 2010 Mid 10MWMAY1 $117,011.69
7. Approve Warrant 2010 Regular 10MAY2 $1,786,928.44
Ayes - All
MAYOR’S DEPARTMENT
Discussion and Vote: Accept Donation from Rich and Mary Flaherty Through the Friends of Recreation
(10-130)
Mayor Johnson stated there is a group called Friends of Recreation that has been raising money for the
indoor recreation center for items that cannot be purchased with bonded proceeds. This group has
generously come forward to raise funds through the community to complete the facility and properly equip
it.
Mayor Johnson moved and Commissioner Ivins seconded to accept the donation from Rich and
Mary Flaherty in the amount of $38,000 in particular for 3 divider curtains for the gym.
Ayes – All
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Mayor Johnson thanked the Flaherty family on behalf of the City.
Discussion and Vote: City of Saratoga Springs & Saratoga American Legion Stampede Co-Sponsored
Baseball Clinic 2010 (10-131)
Linda Terricola, Director of Recreation stated the Recreation Department is seeking approval for a co-
sponsorship for the summer baseball clinic with the Saratoga American Legion Stampede. This is a 50/50
split. The Stampede has offered to provide the clinic shirts and all the staffing and volunteer counselors.
Mayor Johnson moved and Commissioner Ivins seconded to approve the agreement as described.
Ayes - All
Discussion and Vote: Saratoga Springs City School District Voucher (10-132)
Linda Terricola stated this is a request for the Council to approve a voucher for the Saratoga Springs
School District. Normally they would create a purchase order, but this time they did not provide one as
required.
Mayor Johnson asked for the amount in question.
Linda advised the amount being requested for payment is $6,838.
Mayor Johnson moved and Commissioner Wirth seconded to approve as described.
Ayes - All
Discussion and Vote: Firehouse Boundary Line Agreement (10-133)
Mayor Johnson stated there is a memorandum of understanding being presented to the Council for
acceptance to delineate and transfer the ownership of a retaining wall that existing between the Lake
Avenue Fire Station and Edron, LLC.
Paul Male stated the process was undertaken by National Grid in conjunction with the cold tar discovered
on the site. In cleaning the cold tar up they were going to go back and install a fence on the retaining wall.
The bulk of the wall is in good shape. National Grid stated they would put the fence on the wall providing
the City obtained ownership of the wall. As the boundary currently exists; it’s 3 feet east of the wall. If the
fence were to be put on the property line itself, there would be a 3 foot strip between the fence and the
existing retaining wall making it difficult to maintain. The property owner has agreed to the boundary line
agreement to move the boundary line 3 feet west to include the wall itself and the City would be
responsible for the ownership and maintenance of the wall in the future. The owner has agreed to fix the
first 60 feet of the retaining wall off Lake Avenue before the City takes ownership of the wall.
John Ripp of GEI Consultants of Glastonbury Connecticut stated they will be managing the reconstruction
of the fence.
Mayor Johnson stated this is to remediate the retaining wall prior to the City being asked to take ownership.
He confirmed there will be an inspection that the wall has been fully corrected and stabilized prior to our
ownership.
Mr. Ripp stated there will be an inspection prior to agreement of transfer.
Mayor Johnson moved and Commissioner Scirocco seconded to approve the memorandum of
understanding as described.
Ayes - All
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ACCOUNTS DEPARTMENT
Announcement: Grievance Day
Commissioner Franck stated grievance day will take place May 25th in the City Council Room. If people
would like to make an appointment, they can call the Accounts Office or just walk in. The hours are 9 a.m.
– noon, 1 p.m. to 4 p.m. and 7 p.m. to 9 p.m.
Announcement: How to Grieve Your Assessment Class
Commissioner Franck stated they will be holding their 5th annual class on how to grieve your assessment
this Thursday, May 20th in the City Council Room. The class will explain the RP524 form.
** Addition of Item:
Commissioner Franck moved and Mayor Johnson seconded to add an item to his agenda to set a
public hearing for the last call for alcohol at the June 1, 2010 City Council meeting.
Ayes – All
Commissioner Franck set a public hearing for 6:30 p.m. on June 1st regarding the last call for alcohol.
FINANCE DEPARTMENT
Discussion and Vote: Authorization for Mayor to Sign Contract with Bluesology – July 4th (10-134)
Commissioner Ivins moved and Commissioner Wirth seconded to authorize the mayor to sign a
contract with Bluesology.
Commissioner Ivins explained the cost is $400 and will be paid for from donations, not the City budget.
Ayes - All
Discussion and Vote: Accept Donations-Saratoga’s All-American Celebration (10-135)
Commissioner Ivins moved and Commissioner Wirth seconded to accept donations for the All
American Celebration 2010.
Commissioner Ivins stated donations are: $2,500 from the Adirondack Trust Company, $1,000 from Ben &
Jerry’s, $500 from the Residence Inn Marriott, $500 from Stewart’s Shops, $250 from Saratoga Gaming
and Raceway, $250 from Joe Ribis of Purshe Kaplan Sterling Investments, $100 from Dawgdom, $100
from Lyrical Ballad, $125 from Saratoga Gaming and Raceway desert and barbeque fest, $125 from
Bookmakers of the Holiday Inn desert and barbeque fest, $100 from Smokey Joe’s barbeque fest, $100
from Circus Café for the desert fest, and $10 car show registration. He thanked the public for their support.
Ayes - All
Discussion and Vote: Authorization to Increase Bond Counsel Service Cap (10-136)
Commissioner Ivins moved and Commissioner Franck seconded to authorize an increase to bond
counsel service cap by $150.
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Commissioner Ivins stated during the work already authorized by the Council for 2010 bond issue, it
became necessary for the bond counsel to draw up an amended bond resolution to remove 2 projects we
will not be bonding at this time. The cap has not been met yet but they will need this amount added to it for
when the bill comes in.
Ayes - All
Discussion and Vote: Amend 2010 Bond Resolution (10-137)
Commissioner Ivins moved and Commissioner Wirth seconded to approve the amended 2010 bond
resolution as presented to the Council.
Commissioner Ivins stated the resolution removes the authorization for $300,000 for paid parking and
$175,000 for the sewer jet. Neither project will be bonded this year. The Council agreed to waive the
reading of the resolution.
Commissioner Scirocco confirmed the sewer jet has the potential of being in the 2011 capital budget.
Commissioner Ivins stated that is correct. The capital budget committee has to decide that.
Roll Call:
Commissioner Franck - Aye
Commissioner Ivins - Aye
Commissioner Scirocco - Aye
Commissioner Wirth - Aye
Mayor Johnson - Aye
Discussion and Vote: Standard Work Day Resolution (10-138)
Commissioner Ivins moved and Commissioner With seconded to approve the standard work day
resolution as previously distributed to the Council.
Commissioner Ivins stated Regulation 315.4 (Regulation of Reporting for Elected and Appointed Officials)
was updated in 2009 and took effect August 12, 2009 by the Comptroller’s Office and the New York State
Retirement System. When a new elected officials/appointed takes office, a standard workday log is kept
for a month and a resolution is done for the retirement system to verify the time credited for such officials
who do not keep a time card. This is only needed upon taking office in the first term. With the update in
2009, all elected and appointed officials who are part of the retirement system must now keep a 3 month
log at the beginning of each term of office.
The Council agreed to waive the reading of the resolution.
Mayor Johnson asked why the resolution does not include the entire Council.
Commissioner Ivins advised not all are in the retirement system.
Ayes - All
Discussion and Vote: Mayor’s Department Payroll Transfers (10-139)
Commissioner Ivins moved and Commissioner Wirth seconded to approve the Mayor’s Department
payroll transfers as previously distributed to the Council.
Commissioner Ivins stated the transfers are from legal office coordinator, admin., aide building, assistant
building inspector, and principal planner. Transfers to sick leave, administrative aide (new position),
assistant building inspector seasonal (new), and clerk part time.
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Mayor Johnson stated these are transfers due to the reorganization of his department. This is budget
neutral.
Ayes - All
Discussion and Vote: Department of Public Works Payroll Transfers (10-140)
Commissioner Ivins moved and Commissioner Scirocco seconded to approve the Department of
Public Works payroll transfers as previously distributed to the Council.
Commissioner Ivins stated this is a transfer from CHIPS rubble and stone to CHIPS overtime. These funds
were awarded in 2009 and encumbered.
Ayes - All
Discussion and Vote: Department of Public Safety Payroll Transfers (10-141)
Commissioner Ivins moved and Commissioner Wirth seconded to approve the Department of
Public Safety payroll transfers as previously distributed to the Council.
Commissioner Ivins stated this is for transfers from EMS training, Stop DWI overtime, and social security
lines. Transfers are to EMT incentive, education awards, clothing allowance and Stop DWI miscellaneous
equipment lines.
Ayes - All
Discussion: City Finances
Commissioner Ivins stated mortgage tax continues to decline; but we are closer to the revised budget. We
are down about 34% from last year. Sales tax is continuing an upward trend. We are up 8.15% over last
year.
Commissioner Ivins also stated his quarterly report can be found in the Clerk’s Office and on line.
PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT
Discussion: Lillian’s Parking Lot
Commissioner Scirocco stated the City requested a study in 2006 on the Lillian’s Lot. This study was done
by Ryan Biggs. The recommendation was to deconstruct the wing areas of the lot so the center can be
used for parking. In speaking with Scott Palmer of the City’s Engineering Office and Paul Male, city
engineer, the center area can be used for motorcycle parking only. There would be spaces for 50
motorcycles. There is an issue on the sides; he will work with Risk and Safety to block off the wing areas.
The engineers agree there is no issue with the center of the parking lot. The second option is to open the
lot up to car parking – probably 25 spaces. They are waiting for Ryan Biggs to give confirmation that this
can be done.
Paul Male stated the center of the parking lot is as Commissioner Scirocco described. The letter from
Ryan Biggs of 2006 states the center is on grade. The center section is structurally sound and there is no
issue that they are aware of at this point.
Commissioner Scirocco stated if they don’t use it for cars, he would at least like to use the lot for functions.
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Commissioner Franck stated he mentioned earlier striping the streets. Are there minimum spacing
requirements here too for parking?
Commissioner Wirth stated they would have to get an opinion from the city attorney to see if the law allows
motorcycle parking only.
Commissioner Franck stated the facilities on either side are not going to like motorcycle parking only
because of the noise. He is also concerned with people going over the jersey barriers. Maybe we want to
make that an area for street vendors for the summer as a temporary situation and the vendors would have
to pay a fee. The fee would take care of the fencing and some of these costs.
Commissioner Scirocco stated the fencing is approximately $7.50 per foot; it’s not the best pricing. There
may have to be a ramp built from the Cantina into the parking lot.
Mayor Johnson asked Commissioner Scirocco to finalize the fencing issue, the entrance/exit issue from the
Cantina Restaurant, and obtain a written updated report from Ryan Biggs.
Commissioner Scirocco asked if he can do this by memo to keep it moving.
Mayor Johnson stated this will require Council vote to re-use of the lot.
Commissioner Scirocco stated we didn’t have a vote to close it down.
Commissioner Franck stated he won’t have his name on opening this up unless his has the total
background and the ok from the city attorney, risk and safety. .
Commissioner Scirocco stated he is not going to waste his time if the Council isn’t going to conceptually
approve this.
Commissioner Franck stated the liability for the deck use is greater than the small proposed
accommodation of parking.
Mayor Johnson stated the Council is agreeable to pursue it for vehicle parking and fencing being present
and addressing the issues regarding the emergency exits. The details and costs aren’t there. We need
official sign off by engineering regarding its structural integrity. He would like to see it in writing.
Commissioner Scirocco stated Debbie LaBreche contacted Ryan Biggs today and they are waiting for
them to come to confirm.
Commissioner Ivins asked for solid numbers to make a decision. He would also like to know what line item
the money is coming from.
Update: Nelson Avenue
Commissioner Scirocco asked Paul Male to provide an update.
Paul Male stated they surfaced it yesterday and finished it up today. There are a couple miscellaneous
things to be finished.
PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENT
Announcement: Update on Overtime Savings Year to Date
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Commissioner Wirth advised there has been a reduction of overtime in the amount of 33% during the first 4
months of this year compared to last year for the same time period. He commended his chief, staff and
deputy for a great job.
Announcement: Update on Parking Ticket Revenue
Commissioner Wirth advised the amount collected from March 22 – May 11 over $92,680. This is due to
the amnesty program, license plate readers, and the change in towing regulations. They will continue this
process of enforcement.
Announcement: Update on Traffic Stops on Rt. 50
Commissioner Wirth stated the recent NYS Traffic Study revealed Rt. 50 from Broadway to Jones Road as
the 3rd least safe highway in the area. Saratoga Springs Police Department has issued 128 citations for
various offenses. This will continue through December 2010.
Commissioner Ivins asked how much of that the City gets to keep.
Tony Izzo, assistant city attorney stated if it is written under City ordinance, the City keeps all of that.
Deputy Commissioner Dudla clarified the section of road where we are involved is up to the Northway.
Discussion and Vote: Permission for the Council to Accept the Use of a Training Room/Multi Purpose
Room at Jefferson Terrace (10-142)
Commissioner Wirth stated this is a multipurpose room donated by the Housing Authority to the Police
Department. This will go into effect this Thursday. The room was completely remodeled at not cost to the
City. The Police Department can use it as a command post if a problem arises in that area. He thanked
the director of the Housing Authority and his staff for the work they put into this.
Commissioner Wirth moved and Commissioner Scirocco seconded to accept the donation of this
room from the Housing Authority.
Commissioner Ivins asked if there is a camera in this room should a suspect be interviewed.
Commissioner Wirth advised there is not, but he is sure one can be set up.
Ayes – All
Discussion and Vote: Permission To Establish a Fee Schedule for Overtime for Special Events
Commissioner Wirth stated as a result of staff reductions, it is necessary to require organizations to pay for
overtime associated with their special event. The fee schedule per hour range is: $35.70 – $72.88 for
police, $33.22 – $73.34 for fire, and $41.22 – $62.02 for the Public Safety Garage. Other towns have been
charging for events for time; arrangements vary from a set amount per hour to the actual amount plus a
25% administrative fee.
Commissioner Wirth moved and Commissioner Ivins seconded to accept this proposal.
Commissioner Ivins stated the fees didn’t make it on the agenda and asked if a hard copy could be
provided.
Commissioner Scirocco asked if the fees are based upon overtime fees.
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Commissioner Wirth stated the fees are based upon overtime.
Commissioner Ivins suggested having these fees approved in the December meeting for the upcoming
year with the other fees we approve.
Commissioner Franck confirmed these fees are being established tonight and will take effect tomorrow.
Commissioner Ivins stated actually it is back dated because some events happened.
Mayor Johnson asked what we normally would charge if anything for special events.
Deputy Commissioner Dudla advised the range is large as they don’t know who is going to be on overtime
that day depending upon call-ins, injuries, etc. The range goes from the lowest paid officer at time and a
half to the highest paid lieutenant; same with the Fire Department and the Police Garage. They have been
working with the organizations to find out what their needs are and to try to keep the costs down.
Mayor Johnson asked if we presently charge anything for this service or is this a totally new fee being
imposed.
Deputy Dudla stated when the commissioner took office and reviewed the budget; we found we spent
$28,000 in overtime for 27 events last year. Given the tight budget they decided the fees would be
charged for all events. They sent a letter out to all the organizations in February and started to talk to
them. He wasn’t aware that there wasn’t a fee schedule already established until he was notified by
Finance. They have had several events and sent bills out for them.
Commissioner Wirth stated the organizations agreed to the fees in advance.
Commissioner Ivins asked how many organizations have paid for the service so far.
Deputy Dudla stated they have sent 3 bills out so far. He is not aware of anyone having paid yet.
Commissioner Franck stated he doesn’t have a problem with this but he is not sure he we are following the
proper process. We don’t have the fees in the books and we are charging. He questioned if they should
table this to be sure they are following Municipal Law Rules.
Mayor Johnson stated he agrees with the effort and goal. It is a question if proper notice has been given.
Deputy Dudla stated they have contacted all the organizations in February and have been working with
them. Most everyone has been cooperative.
Mayor Johnson asked how we project to the organization how much the event will cost them if we have a
range.
Deputy Dudla stated we give them a high and a low; that is the best we can give them. We do try to keep
the cost down for them.
Mayor Johnson asked if they agree to this in writing in advance.
Deputy Dudla stated there is no written contract but they do receive something in writing from us.
Commissioner Franck stated he believes we can do this but we need to tighten it up.
Commissioner Ivins questioned if we can legally charge those people before we have officially adopted the
fees.
Tony Izzo, assistant city attorney, stated there has to be a basis for charging a fee.
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Commissioner Ivins confirmed that they can’t charge the 3 people they charged since the fees haven’t
been adopted by the Council.
Tony advised that would be correct.
Deputy Commissioner Jarosh stated fees had been charged in the past but they weren’t charged fairly or
evenly. In the Finance Policy update of 2009, they wrote in that no fees can be charge until they are part of
a local law, ordinance or part of the fee schedule they update every December.
Mayor Johnson asked if there are any events scheduled between now and the June 1st Council meeting.
Commissioner Ivins stated there is one for Memorial Day.
Mayor Johnson asked if we intend to charge for police and fire overtime.
Commissioner Wirth stated it is our intent.
Mayor Johnson suggested withdrawing this for this evening and talking further about this issue at the
special meeting to be held for the Lillian’s lot. We need more information.
Commissioner Wirth agreed with that.
Discussion and Vote: Permission for the Mayor to Sign the Lease Agreement for the Police Vehicles (10-
143)
Commissioner Wirth moved and commissioner Ivins seconded to approve the mayor to sign the
lease agreement for police vehicles.
Commissioner Wirth stated the number of leases has been reduced by 2.
Ayes - All
Discussion and Vote: Permission for the City Council to Fill the Vacant Position of Public Safety Office
Supervisor (10-144)
Commissioner Wirth explained this position became vacant in April due to a retirement and is a vital
position to the department. This position is responsible for weekly payroll of 150 employees, worker’s
compensation, managing employees, etc. The current position calls for 33 hours per week; the individual
selected will work 40 hours per week. The payroll grade is 14.
Commissioner Wirth moved and Commissioner Scirocco seconded to approve filling the position
of public safety office supervisor.
Commissioner Scirocco asked if this is an in-house appointment.
Commissioner Wirth stated it is.
Mayor stated he would like to see a new position created to recognize a consolidation of duties within his
department rather than 2 positions. He is concerned that we are not reducing the salary sufficiently to
recognize what our budget issue is.
Commissioner Ivins stated he echoes the mayor’s comments. Commissioner Wirth is heading in the right
direction with this position.
Mayor Johnson encouraged the Council to consolidate payroll into one department; preferably in the
Finance Department. This is an opportunity to get rid of the duplication of payroll services.
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Commissioner Ivins stated his department is looking into that.
Commissioner Scirocco stated he agrees it would cost effective to consolidate payroll and put it in one
office. He stated all his office supervisor does on Mondays is payroll.
Ayes - All
Discussion and Vote: Stop Signs at Phila Street and Court Street (10-145)
Commissioner Wirth stated as a result of a traffic analysis study, it was determined the intersection did not
meet the conditions described in the manual. There was a concern about the vision of sight, there fore it
was determined that there is a need for stop signs at this intersection.
Commissioner Wirth moved and Commissioner Scirocco seconded to approve the stop signs at
Phila and Court Streets as described.
Commissioner Scirocco asked if this is the intersection that doesn’t line up.
Ayes – All
Discussion and Vote: Permission for the City Council to Fill the Vacant Position of Senior Account Clerk
Within the Salary Range as Stated in the Union Contract
Commissioner Wirth pulled this item from his agenda.
Discussion and Vote: Permission from City Council to Fill Two Vacant Dispatcher Positions
Commissioner Wirth pulled this item from his agenda.
SUPERVISORS
Joanne Yepsen
County Update
Supervisor Yepsen reported they authorized participation in the 2010 Stop DWI program. This is covered
by a grant of $390,000. They also authorized the issuance of serial bonds to cover the costs and finances
of the acquisitions and installations of computer equipment directly related to the receipt of wireless 911
calls and the dispatch of emergency services in response to such calls. The County, in conjunction with
other counties and towns, are challenging recent regulations of the Adirondack Park Agency relating to
setback limitations of existing structures along the shorelines in the park.
NY Racing Update
Supervisor Yepsen reported the situation changes daily. Yesterday there was a fearful reaction to NYRA’s
concerns and remarks. Today the new news is that Governor Paterson wants to write a loan to NYRA until
its share from VLTs is produced. The money would come from the capital construction fund for the VLTs.
The vendor for the VLTs is expected to be chosen by August 1st. If not passed, the economics of our
region will be severely impacted.
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Matt Veitch
May 2010 Public Safety Committee
Supervisor Veitch reported the committee accepted a $10,000 grant from Senator McDonald’s Office for
computer equipment for the district attorney’s office. They accepted a homeland security grant for
$119,750 for anti-terrorism equipment and police training time, a homeland security grant for $246,000 for
protection equipment for the Hazmat team. They also approved Stop DWI program; Saratoga Springs
Police Department is going to receive $36,000 for their patrols. They also voted to bond for the county
radio system, accepted $125,000 for their emergency services department, etc.
Review May 2010 Board of Supervisors Resolutions
Supervisor Veitch reported they passed a resolution regarding books for children in Haiti. June 14th is the
date the Geyser Road bridge will close.
ADJOURNMENT
Mayor Johnson moved and Commissioner Wirth seconded to adjourn the meeting.
Ayes – All
There being no further business, Mayor Johnson adjourned the meeting at 10:38 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Lisa Ribis
Clerk
Approved: 6-1-10
Vote: 5 - 0
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Agenda
Agenda Minutes ...Back
City Council Meeting
May 18, 2010 City Council Room
06:55 PM P.H. - Stop Signs at Phila
and Court
Print
7:00 PM
CALL TO ORDER
ROLL CALL
SALUTE TO FLAG
PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD / 15 MINUTES
PRESENTATION(S):
1. Presentation: Last Call for Alcohol
2. Update: Johnson Control Energy Performance Contract
EXECUTIVE SESSION: Discussion regarding proposed, pending or current litigation;
personal private information of a person or corporation, or matters leading to the
appointment, employment, promotion, demotion, discipline, suspension, dismissal or
removal of a person or corporation, collective negotiations.
CONSENT AGENDA
1. Approval of 05-04-2010 City Council Minutes
2. Approve Budget Amendments
3. Approve Budget Transfers
4. Approve Payroll 5/14/2010 $363,242.50
5. Approve Payroll 5/7/2010 $490,033.15
6. Approve Warrant 2010 Mid 10MWMAY1 $117,011.69
7. Approve Warrant 2010 Regular 10MAY2 $1,786,928.44
MAYOR’S DEPARTMENT
1. Discussion and Vote: Accept Donation from Rich and Mary Flaherty through the Friends of Recreation
2. Discussion and Vote: City of Saratoga Springs & Saratoga American Legion Stampede
Co-Sponsored Baseball Clinic 2010
3. Discussion and Vote: Saratoga Springs City School District Voucher
4. Discussion and Vote: Firehouse Boundry Line Agreement
ACCOUNTS DEPARTMENT
1. Announcement: Grievance Day
2. Announcement: How to Grieve Your Assessment Class
FINANCE DEPARTMENT
1. Discussion and Vote: Authorization for Mayor to Sign Contract with Bluesology-July 4th
2. Discussion and Vote: Accept Donations-Saratoga's All-American Celebration
3. Discussion and Vote: Authorization to Increase Bond Counsel Services Cap
4. Discussion and Vote: Amend 2010 Bond Resolution
5. Discussion and Vote: Standard Work Day Resolution
6. Discussion and Vote: Mayor's Department Payroll Transfers
7. Discussion and Vote: Department of Public Works Payroll Transfer
8. Discussion and Vote: Department of Public Safety Payroll Transfers
9. Discussion: City Finances
PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT
1. Discussion: Lillian's Parking Lot
2. Update: Nelson Avenue
PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENT
1. Announcement: Update on overtime savings year to date
2. Announcement: Update on Parking Ticket revenue
3. Announcement: Update on the traffic stops on Rt. 50
4. Discussion and Vote: Permission for the Council to accept the use of a training room / sub-station at
Jefferson Terrace
5. Discussion and Vote: Permission to establish a fee schedule for overtime for special events
6. Discussion and Vote: Permission for the Mayor to sign the lease agreement for the police vehicles
7. Discussion and Vote: Permission for the City Council to fill the vacant position of Public Safety Office
Supervisor
8. Discussion and Vote: Stop signs at Phila Street and Court Street
9. Discussion and Vote: Permission for the City Council to fill the vacant position of Senior Acct. Clerk within the
salary range as stated in the union contract
10. Discussion and Vote: Permission from City Counctil to fill two vacant Dispatcher positions
SUPERVISORS
1. Joanne Yepsen
1. County Update
2. NY Racing Update
2. Matthew Veitch
1. Update: May 2010 Public Safety Committee
2. Update: Review May 2010 Board of Supervisors Resolutions
ADJOURN
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