City Council
Regular MeetingSaratoga Springs, NY · October 8, 2013
Minutes
October 8, 2012
CITY OF SARATOGA SPRINGS
Budget Workshop
City Council Room
1:00 PM
PRESENT: Scott Johnson, Mayor
Michele Madigan, Commissioner of Finance
John Franck, Commissioner of Accounts
Anthony Scirocco, Commissioner of DPW
Christian Mathiesen, Commissioner of DPS
STAFF PRESENT: Shauna Sutton, Deputy Mayor
Lynn Bachner, Deputy Commissioner, Finance
Sharon Kellner-Byrnes, Deputy Commissioner, Accounts
Eileen Finneran, Deputy Commissioner, DPS
EXCUSED: Tim Cogan, Deputy Commissioner, DPW
RECORDING OF PROCEEDING
The proceedings of this meeting were taped for the benefit of the secretary. Because the minutes are not a
verbatim record of the proceedings, the minutes are not a word-for-word transcript.
CALL TO ORDER
Mayor Johnson called the meeting to order at 1:08 p.m.
PUBLIC COMMENT
Mayor Johnson opened the pubic comment period at 1:09 p.m.
No one spoke.
Mayor Johnson closed the public comment period at 1:09 p.m.
BUDGET WORKSHOP
Mayor Johnson stated the only reason for today’s meeting is the budget workshop.
Commissioner Madigan advised this is the first budget workshop for the 2014 comprehensive budget.
They will be discussing the Mayor’s and Recreation Departments budgets. She will be creating a
spreadsheet of requested changes. She asked the Council to use the budget change request forms if they
would like to make a change to their budget.
Mayor’s Department
Mayor Johnson stated he doesn’t have an overall objection to the Mayor’s Department budget; it is in line
with what they asked for. A significant difference he sees is in the line for outside legal counsel; they
requested $20,000 more than what they were given. They requested $75,000 and Commissioner Madigan
is proposing $55,000. His concern is what will happen to the amount in the 2013 line for that service if not
spent by year end. From looking at previous years, he does not believe $55,000 will be sufficient.
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Commissioner Madigan stated this is what they did last year; budgeted $55,000 with anticipation that funds
would be encumbered from the previous year. She understands that this is important to the negotiation of
the labor contracts. If the mayor knows he will not be encumbering into next year, then maybe they should
have a change request.
Mayor Johnson stated a number of dates have been scheduled from now until the end of the year for
negotiations. They will be expending funds this year by year end and spending the line down. The other
item reduced is the city attorney salary. They asked for an increase of $12,000 to have more of a
distinction between the assistant city attorney and the city attorney. The increase is also for someone to be
able to fill the position by making it more attractive. Because it is an appointed position, it is hard to find
someone who will do it for 2 years.
Commissioner Madigan stated she felt since it is a 30 hour per week position and there is an assistant city
attorney at 20 hours per week; she felt it was difficult to increase this position. She understands the value
of the city attorney; but we have also spent close to $300,000 in outside legal services fees and have
dedicated another $55,000 in 2014 for legal services fees.
Mayor Johnson stated it is stated as a 30 hour per week position but it is rare that the city attorney only
puts in 30 hours per week. He is raising it as an issue as it is something he is not taking lightly asking for
an additional increase. This is the first time he has asked for an increase in this position since he has been
in office.
Commissioner Madigan asked she would like to see an overall review of the positions for the city attorney
and the assistant city attorney.
Mayor Johnson asked Commissioner Madigan how much if any does she see of contingency being
available to go toward the cost of newly settled labor contracts. It appears after transfers done this year,
the amount remaining in contingency is $222,000.
Commissioner Madigan stated we will have used about $400,000 for settlement of back contracts. At this
point, if other contracts do not settle; that will leave an additional amount of about $150,000 in contingency.
If we don’t use this money, it will roll to a surplus.
Mayor Johnson stated of the number of labor contracts involved; 4 are the largest contracts. He doesn’t
want too much expressly designated as a budget item to settle contracts because the unions know about it
and use the figure at times to develop their demands. They feel the money is set aside for that purpose. It
is a delicate balance. If all the contracts do settle, is there enough set aside to pay what we can
realistically project as wage increases.
Commissioner Madigan stated they have done cost outs. Two of the most expensive contracts that haven’t
settled and go back to 2008 are the chiefs’ contracts. She has a fair estimate in mind of what they may
settle at. She feels contingency should be healthier; however; over the past couple years; she set aside a
healthy amount of contingency. Because the state of the contracts are unknown, she didn’t feel
comfortable with setting aside such a health contingency for contracts. She believes between the
$375,000 out of fund balance excess set aside and the $150,000 in contingency, we are looking at a
sizable number. The message is the contracts need to be settled. We must have money set aside for the
contract settlements.
Mayor Johnson stated since he has been here, he has tried to make the contracts more affordable. That
takes longer to settle them. He wants to be fair with labor but also make sure the City can afford the
contracts. His concern is the contingency enough; $525,000.
Commissioner Madigan stated we still have a health fund balance. She understands the mayor’s logical in
how he proceeds in settling the contracts, but we saw the budget jump $500,000 with the settlement of 2
contracts. When we do allow the contracts to go so unsettled for so long, it jumps the budget significantly
that it makes it difficult to do the other things we might want to do in a given budget year. Just having the
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set aside and the contingency is the best we can do. It will help to use this year’s funds to settle these
contracts.
Mayor Johnson stated we didn’t have the expenditures in the prior years the contracts remained unsettled.
It is a balancing equation and a mathematic equation.
Commissioner Madigan stated the problem is the tax rate hasn’t been able to keep up with the large jump
and we are in our 3rd year of the tax cap. We still need to maintain the increases in wages and benefits as
we move forward and settle the other contracts.
Mayor Johnson stated we have to take into account the savings in health care for the City with the
consolidation of plans. We need to ask ourselves what would happen if we didn’t have the health care
savings.
Recreation Department
Commissioner Madigan advised she left this budget as requested.
John Hirliman of the Recreation Department stated he has no overall objections to the budget. They
increased revenue by $10,300 and decreased their expenses by $29,500. Their main focus this year was
to increase revenue in the Recreation Center and looking at increasing technologies for tracking purposes
for participation and reporting. They are also looking at increasing marketing and outreach in the
community. Instead of doing ID badges for their volunteer coaches, they are buying all of them t-shirts so
they are easily recognized on the fields.
Mayor Johnson stated he thought the Recreation Department budget was well put together.
Commissioner Madigan advised there is a sub-department in recreation for $11,795 for the Waterfront
Park. Is this amount sufficient at this point in time? We don’t have any details other than the renderings
provided at the last City Council meeting.
Mayor Johnson stated he will be presenting figures for the Council of the best estimated cost for Phase 1
which they would like to begin now and completed early 2015. He doesn’t want to lose the money from
New York State. He will look to have DPW involved as the in-kind component.
Commissioner Madigan stated she is very interested in seeing that. She is concerned about the cost and
hopes that information will be coming forward soon as we are doing the budget now.
ADJOURNMENT
Mayor Johnson moved and Commissioner Mathiesen seconded to adjourn the meeting.
Ayes – All
There being no further business, Mayor Johnson adjourned the meeting at 1:42 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Lisa Ribis
Clerk
Approved: 11/4/13
Vote: 5 - 0
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City Council Room
October 8, 2013
Budget Workshop
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CALL TO ORDER
ROLL CALL
SALUTE TO FLAG
PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD / 15 MINUTES
PRESENTATION(S):
1. None
EXECUTIVE SESSION:
None
CONSENT AGENDA
1. None
MAYOR’S DEPARTMENT
1. None
ACCOUNTS DEPARTMENT
1. None
FINANCE DEPARTMENT
1. Discussion: 2014 Comprehensive Budget
PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT
1. None
PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENT
1. None
SUPERVISORS
1. None
ADJOURN
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