Complete Streets Advisory Board
Regular MeetingSaratoga Springs, NY · July 12, 2018
Minutes
SARATOGA SPRINGS OPEN SPACE COMMITTEE
DRAFT MEETING MINUTES
MEETING OF JULY 25, 2018
[IN AGENDA ORDER]
5:00 P.M.
SARATOGA SPRINGS CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS
PRESENT:
Chair Tom Denny, David Miller, Maureen Roberts, Beth Wurtmann, Tim Holmes.
ABSENT:
Suzanne Kwasniewski, Erica Gifford.
CITY STAFF:
Tina Carton, Parks, Open Lands, Historic Preservation/Sustainability Coordinator.
OTHERS PRESENT:
John McMahon, resident of Saratoga Springs.
RECORDING OF PROCEEDING:
The minutes are not a verbatim record of the proceedings.
CALL TO ORDER:
Chair Tom Denny called the meeting to order at 5:00 p.m.
PUBLIC COMMENT-15 MINUTES
No opening public comment.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
The committee voted to approve the 6/27/2018 meeting minutes, with the date amended
(Holmes, Miller). Unanimous vote.
POCKET PARKS
a.Flat Rock Centre. This proposed pocket park, by action of the Mayor and Council will be
included in a proposed parking structure development behind City Hall. In general discussion it
was agreed that the Open Space Advisory Committee could support the idea of the pocket park
once further details were obtained by the committee.
b.Waterworks. The merits of the suggested Waterworks Pocket Park were revisited.
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c.Other possible City-owned parcels. It was agreed that the many opportunities to preserve key
parcels would be facilitated by the Natural Resources Inventory.
NATURAL RESOURCES INVENTORY (NRI): UPDATE
Tina Carton released LaBella Associates had been selected as the successful bidder as Consultant
for the NRI. Tina reported that Commissioner Madigan was supportive of the process and in
order to expedite had identified matching funds for the DEC grant. At the September 11th
meeting of the OSAC, the team from SUNY Albany will meet with the committee to lay out
their work plan and assignments. Chair Tom Denny advised that OSAC members should study
the 2002 Open Space Plan to prepare input for the September 11th session.
DISCUSSION OF TOM’S PRESENTATION AT CITY COUNCIL
Chair Tom Denny reported that he was tentatively scheduled to address the Mayor and Council
at the regular municipal meeting of August 7th, but was considering whether it might be better to
postpone. It would be possible to include an outline of the Waterworks Pocket Park in the
presentation of the OSAC’s work. After discussion the committee members present agreed that
Tom might best decide closer to the August 7th meeting on the substance of the presentation and
also on whether to postpone.
FUNDING – QUESTIONS ABOUT POSSIBLE BOND ISSUE. FUNDING IN 2019 BUDGET FOR
CONSULTANT TO WORK ON REVISION TO 2002 OPEN SPACE PLAN - REQUEST TO CITY
COUNCIL
Commissioner Michelle Madigan joined the meeting. She informed the committee on recent bonding
activity by the City and noted that capital needs had somewhat increased the debt level. She expressed
that this is a leading fact in considering further bonding.
Bond issue referendum. Finance Commissioner Madigan noted that the inconclusive message received
by OSAC on Mayor’s office letterhead might not be a complete legal opinion, nevertheless it seemed
clear that in the forthcoming general election in November, with the City Charter question on the ballot
no other questions may appear.
City Attorney Tony Izzo joined the meeting.
Commissioner Madigan reviewed the Open Space Bond history and noted that there was a balance of
about $200,000 yet available. OSAC Chair Tom Denny asked advice on how to fund OSAC activity.
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Commissioner Madigan pointed out that action by the Council might or might not be included under bond
limits, and that OSAC should make recommendations to the Mayor and Council. With regard to the Open
Space Plan update, a direct budget request would be in order. Committee members suggested that a
realistic number for updating the 2002 Open Space Plan might be in the $100,000 range. The
Commissioner welcomed a realistic approach and timeliness to be included in the 2019 budget. She
expressed that another Open Space Bond referendum could be in order in the future. She voiced support
for the committee’s approach to pocket parks and encouraged communication from OSAC to the Mayor
and Council as in the case of the suggested Waterworks pocket park.
Chair Tom Denny thanked Commissioner Madigan for her decisive action which completed the needed
resources for the Natural Resources Inventory, providing momentum toward the updating of the 2002
Open Space Plan. Committee members observed the NRI’s role in reviewing City-owned properties. The
Commissioner and committee members agreed that added perspectives of usefulness could be attained.
Mike Sharp, Deputy Commissioner of Finance joined the meeting and was greeted by all.
The Commissioner and Deputy Commissioner asked that in the OSP update budget request, an outline of
objectives and costs be prepared.
Commissioner Madigan and Deputy Commissioner Mike Sharp left the meeting.
Chair Tom Denny reviewed the key points of the meeting with the Commissioner: 1.) No referendum on
Open Space bonding in November 2018. 2.) Consider using the balance of bond funds. 3.) Prepare budget
request for the 2019 City Budget, planning to submit by the end of August. Additional observations by
committee members: in the Open Space Plan updating process, consider including a public information –
education component. Tony Izzo recalled action in 2001 in support of the Open Space referendum and
that public endorsement was strong. Mr. Izzo suggested the 2001 Mayor and Council minutes as an
informative resource.
PUBLIC COMMENT
John McMahon, resident of Saratoga Springs asked how the OSAC had been formed. Mr. Izzo related
that in 2001, the City Council had added to the City Code passed Chapter 110 Environmental, Parks and
Open Areas Protection Program and legislated formation of the OSAC in accordance with the public
referendum. Mr. McMahon expressed interest in the committee’s work, having had municipal experience
in Tully, NY.
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ADJOURN
There being no further business, a motion to adjourn the meeting at 6:37 p.m. was unanimously approved
(Wurtmann, Miller).
NEXT MEETING: THE NEXT MEETING OF THE OSAC WILL BE ON SEPTEMBER 11, 2018 5PM, LOCATION TO BE
CONFIRMED.
Respectfully submitted,
Timothy Holmes
on behalf of the Secretary
Draft 2018 07 27
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Agenda
SARATOGA SPRINGS OPEN SPACE COMMITTEE AGENDA
JULY 25, 2018
5:00 P.M.
MUSIC HALL, CITY HALL
1. WELCOME AND ATTENDANCE
2. PUBLIC COMMENT- 10 MINUTES
3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES –6/21/2018
4. POCKET PARKS -
a. Flat Rock Centre
b. Waterworks
c. other possible City-owned parcels
5. NATURAL RESOURCE INVENTORY (NRI) UPDATE - TINA
6. DISCUSSION OF TOM'S AUG 7 PRESENTATION AT CITY COUNCIL
a. topics for inclusion:
b. angle?
7. FUNDING - QUESTIONS ABOUT POSSIBLE BOND ISSUE
a. update on legal clarification? Lynn Bachner from the Mayor's office is working to get us a legal
opinion before July 25 meeting
b. Finance Commissioner Madigan will join us for discussion of bonding options
8. FUNDING IN 2019 BUDGET FOR CONSULTANT TO WORK ON REVISION TO2002 OPEN SPACE PLAN - MAKE REQUEST BY
LETTER TO CITY COUNCIL
9. PUBLIC COMMENT- 10 MINUTES
10. ADJOURN
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