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Design Review Board

Regular Meeting

Saratoga Springs, NY · January 18, 2012

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DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION MINUTES WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 18, 2012 7:00 P.M. CITY COUNCIL ROOM PRESENT: Steven Rowland, Chairman; Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chair; Richard Martin; Robert West; Staci Mannion; ABSENT: Mark Hogan, Jason Tommell STAFF: Bradley Birge, Administrator; Planning & Economic Development CALL TO ORDER: Chair Steven Rowland called the meeting to order at 7:02 P.M. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE ANNOUNCEMENT OF RECORDING OF PROCEEDING: Steve Rowland, Chairman stated the proceedings of this meeting are being taped for the benefit of the secretary. Because the minutes are not a verbatim record of the proceedings, the minutes are not a word-for-word transcript of the recording. ANNOUNCEMENT OF ADJOURNED APPLICATIONS: 1. 2012.004 THRISTY OWL WINE COMPANY & BISTRO, 184 South Broadway, Architectural Review of mixed use building in the Transect-5 District. Adjourned to 02-01-2012. 4. 2012.005 STEWARTS, 87 West Avenue, Architectural Review of signage in the Transect-5 District. Adjourned to 02-01-2012. 5. 2011.061 RED KAP SIGN, 177 South Broadway, Architectural Review of signage in the Transect-5 District. Adjourned to 02-01-2012. APPLICATIONS UNDER CONSIDERATION: 2. 2012.001 SARATOGA CENTER FOR SOCIAL THERAPY, 51 Church Street, Architectural Review of a freestanding sign in the Transect-6 District. Agent: Cutter Darch, Adirondack Sign Company The applicant is before the Board for a new freestanding sign. The sign is being moved to a new location. It will be built of urethane a standard material. The size will be 32 x 48. It will have a black border, posts will be black. The carved portion and the flat portion will be gold. Steven Rowland, Chairman stated there is a lot of verbiage at the bottom of the sign and will it even be visible. Cutter Darch agent for the applicant stated that the purpose of this is to list the services provided. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if there were any comments from the Board. None heard. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if anyone in the audience wished to comment on this application. None heard. Robert West made a motion in the matter of the application of the Saratoga Center for Social Therapy Freestanding Sign, 51 Church Street that the application be approved as submitted. Seconded by Richard Martin. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if there was any further discussion. None heard. VOTE: Steven Rowland, Chairman, in favor; Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman, in favor; Richard Martin, in favor; Robert West, in favor; Staci Mannion, in favor MOTION PASSES: 5-0 3. 2012.006 24 HAMILTON SIGN, 24 Hamilton Street, Architectural Review of a freestanding sign in the Transect-6 District. DISCLOSURE: Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman stated after further review of this application, she feels the need to recuse since her husband is involved in this project. Agent: Cutter Darch, Adirondack Sign Company Applicant: Keith Cavayero Steven Rowland, Chairman stated this sign is already up and in place. Just a reminder that all applications must be approved prior to the installation of signage. Mr. Cavayero stated he fully understands and he did have a problem with the former company. He thought everything was in compliance and he apologizes. Richard Martin stated he does not feel that the base is an acceptable base for the signage. If the applicant would like to keep the top portion of the sign the base needs to be modified. If they wish to keep the base the top needs to be adjusted. Mr. Cavayero stated he would like to adjust the base of the sign to match the top. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if anyone in the audience wished to comment on this application. None heard. Robert West made a motion in the matter of the application of 24 Hamilton Street Freestanding Sign, 24 Hamilton Street be approved with the following conditions – that the applicant to visit the Chair for additional "Base Detail" to be more City of Saratoga Springs Design Review Commission Minutes – Wednesday, January 18, 2012 – page 2 of 5 consistent with the body of the sign, completed within a 6 month time frame. Seconded by Staci Mannion Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if there was any further discussion. VOTE: Steven Rowland, Chairman, in favor; Richard Martin, in favor; Robert West, in favor; Staci Mannion, in favor MOTION PASSES: 4-0 Tamie Ehinger resumed her position on the Board. 6. 2010.047 WASHINGTON COMMONS, Washington and Central Avenue, Architectural Review of mixed use building in the Transect-4 District. Applicant: Steven Ethier Agent: Bob Flanders, Architect A visual presentation was made to the Board. The applicant reviewed the list of items the Board requested the applicant return and provide additional information. Regarding elevations and roof penetrations, partial front and rear elevation dormers to align, electric and gas meter banks locations, vent stack coverage finish options, screening of the air conditioning locations, trash locations, downspout and gutter locations, final colors for siding and window trim. Final board and batten detail and the cap stone as well as the foundation exposure. Discussion ensued regarding colors of siding, board and batten detail and color of the window trim. The applicant did bring sample colors of siding and roofing for the Boards review. Richard Martin questioned the location of other penetrations. Mr. Flanders stated all other penetrations will be vented in the alleyways. There will be no side penetrations. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if anyone in the audience wished to comment on this application. None heard. Richard Martin made a motion in the matter of the application of Washington Commons, Washington and Central Avenues, that the application be approved with the following conditions – this motion addresses the plumbing stack penetrations, air conditioning condenser locations, electric and gas meter locations, trash bin locations and down spouts or leader locations. Also, the type of cap stone over the veneer and the 16 inch on center board and batten. The mechanical penetrations are limited to the alleys or rear roof plane. All these changes are shown on a submitted new drawing. The applicant will return in reference to color. Seconded by Robert West. Steven Rowland, Chairman asked if there was any further discussion. None heard. City of Saratoga Springs Design Review Commission Minutes – Wednesday, January 18, 2012 – page 3 of 5 VOTE: Steven Rowland, Chairman, in favor; Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chairman, in favor; Richard Martin, in favor; Robert West, in favor; Staci Mannion, in favor MOTION PASSES: 5-0 7. 2012.003 316-318 BALLSTON AVENUE, 316-318 Ballston Avenue, Architectural Review of two six-unit residential buildings in the Transect-4 District. Applicant: Steven Ethier, Steven O'Shea Agent: Bob Flanders, Architect Bradley Birge, Administrator, Planning and Economic Development stated this application is going through the Planning Board and requires special use permit and site plan approvals. They have not yet received either of those. They did have a sketch discussion. They are interested in the opinions of the DRC as it regards to mass and scale. No determinations can be made this evening so essentially this is a sketch discussion. Steven Ethier stated the application is 99% through special use and site plan approvals. The Planning Board just wanted this run by the DRC to make sure there is no major input on mass, scale, rear entry, garages, etc., so that we can finalize this and return to the DRC for final approval. We are just looking to make sure there is not something radically wrong which needs to be changed. There are two individual lots. There are two six unit residential buildings in the Transect-4 District. Rear entry garages, townhouse style. We are trying to break up the roof line and stay similar to the units which were done behind there on Ellis and also the units in Springwood Commons. These will be 1400 square foot units. Bob Flanders stated the entryway will be from Ellis and both buildings will be serviced with a new alleyway from Ellis to Peck Street. All traffic will be one way into rear loading garages. Along the front we will maintain sidewalks and porches. No cutouts off of Route 50 we will be utilizing Ellis and Peck and everything is in the rear. Bradley Birge, Administrator, Planning and Economic Development stated this is a Transect-4 District, and is in the gateway to the City. There are a variety of general guidelines for a variety of site details, general layout and some architectural as well. A review of the guidelines was provided for the applicant's information. Discussion ensued regarding roof lines, porous pavement, materials, front elevations, gables along the rear elevation, handicapped access to the buildings, landscaping details, street trees, street lights, and sidewalks. Steven Rowland, Chairman stated the project is consistent with the others in that area. The applicant has provided more than sufficient parking for this project with the alleyway alleviating a major portion of the parking issue. ANNOUNCEMENT OF NEXT MEETING The next scheduled Caravan and Workshop will be Tuesday, January 24, 2012 at 5 PM. The next scheduled Design Review Commission meeting is Wednesday February 1, 2012 at 7:00 P.M. APPROVAL OF MINUTES Deferred until the next meeting. City of Saratoga Springs Design Review Commission Minutes – Wednesday, January 18, 2012 – page 4 of 5 ADJOURNMENT There being no further business, Staci Mannion made a motion to adjourn the meeting, seconded by Tamie Ehinger. Meeting adjourned at 8:50 P.M. Respectfully submitted, Diane Buzanowski Recording Secretary Approved: 2/15/12 City of Saratoga Springs Design Review Commission Minutes – Wednesday, January 18, 2012 – page 5 of 5

Agenda

Steven Rowland, Chair CITY OF SARATOGA SPRINGS Tamie Ehinger, Vice Chair Richard Martin DESIGN REVIEW COMMISSION Mark Hogan  Robert West City Hall - 474 Broadway Staci Mannion Saratoga Springs, New York 12866 Jason Tommell, Alternate Tel: 518-587-3550 fax: 518-580-9480 www.saratoga-springs.org Design Review Commission Meeting – January 18, 2012 City Council Room – 7:00 PM AGENDA Salute to the Flag A. 7:00PM- Applications under Consideration: 1. 2012.004 Thirsty Owl Wine Company & Bistro, 184 South Broadway, Architectural Review of mixed use building in the Transect-5 District. Adjourned to 2-1-12. 2. 2012.001 Saratoga Center For Social Therapy, 51 Church Street, Architectural Review of a freestanding sign in the Transect-6 District. 3. 2012.006 24 Hamilton Sign, 24 Hamilton Street, Architectural Review of a freestanding sign in the Transect-6 District. 4. 2012.005 Stewarts, 87 West Avenue, Architectural Review of signage in the Transect-5 District. Adjourned to 2-1-12. 5. 2011.061Red Kap Sign, 177 South Broadway, Architectural Review of a freestanding sign in the Transect-5 District. Adjourned to 2-1-12. 6. 2010.047 Washington Commons, Washington and Central Avenue, Architectural Review of two mixed-use buildings in the Transect-4 District. 7. 2012.003 316-318 Ballston Avenue, 316-318 Ballston Avenue, Architectural Review of two six- unit residential buildings in the Transect-4 District. B. Approve Minutes: 11/2, 11/6, 12/14, 1/4 NOTE: This agenda is subject to change. To verify the actual agenda prior to the meeting, please contact the Office of Planning and Economic Development at 587-3550 extension 2533.

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